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[roadhog]

hi spots so whats the minimum block size we need.
To be able to guaranty positive stake in 24 hours based on your formula.
And is there a way to calculate this cheers.

[iGotSpots]

hi spots so whats the minimum block size we need.
To be able to guaranty positive stake in 24 hours based on your formula.
And is there a way to calculate this cheers.

Depends on stake rate for that particular input

If you were to stake at 1%, you would need a coin age of around 400m

If you were to stake at 500%, you would need a coin age of 7.4m

(Both examples are using 100,000 as maximum possible reward)

[zazarb]

So how long do I need to keep the wallet locked with 2.2M blocks?

Depends on stake rate. If you get a 500% rate, you need a lot less time than if you were going to hit a 1%

It's impossible to predict what you will receive until time of stake. Therefore, it might be best to just use one giant input if that amount can make you stake higher than the maximum reward per block

so  change the rules again , so to get guaranteed reward(although probably more important not to receive penalty), need 10 million cube >360M  coin age(in one input)!!! with such a policy you will lose the last investors...

p.s
I totally forgot here after all the possible  1% of the annual interest and penalty 10% daily  
what will risk ?! possible reward 0.00274%-1.369% again possible lost 10%...

[roadhog]

well i like the way it works but from looking at this unless i have 400m i have  not got much chance of getting the daily reward.?

[roadhog]

ok so if i have this right if i stake 2.5m and it fails i lose 250000.
but if i get max reward i get what

[CaptainMAD]

This was NOT how the new reward system was described post fork.   All that was mentioned was a block size of at least 200% of the current block, or equivalent coin age.

To me it  now appears that only the top couple of wallets will now be able to stake every couple of days, with no risk of negative staking.
Everyone else will have to  leave the wallet locked for ages or risk unlocking to a negative stake and losing potentially a HUGE amount of their investment.  

And as it's a random block reward, there is no way to tell how long the wallet needs to remain closed.



If I've misunderstood, someone please correct me.

[iGotSpots]

I'll be posting an updated wallet with another fork at block 1.01m to move to a straight coinage-styled formula

[Nobitcoin]

I'll be posting an updated wallet with another fork at block 1.01m to move to a straight coinage-styled formula

Hold on my stake sizes of 2 million will give me -10% ?

What's minimum stake and best ?

[iGotSpots]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

[Nobitcoin]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

[iGotSpots]

I will make sure RAWX is updated to v2.1 because I can talk to Julian directly to sort it out, but I will need you guys to get ahold of the other exchanges and website after I post the update since I do not have direct contact info for them

[iGotSpots]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

As an example, it is being raised from 2m to 10m at block 1m. You can lock wallet for 5 days and still hit the threshold

I understand this is not ideal, but with the higher supply than anticipated, it is a small wound that will heal quickly in the long run

[Nobitcoin]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

As an example, it is being raised from 2m to 10m at block 1m. You can lock wallet for 5 days and still hit the threshold

I understand this is not ideal, but with the higher supply than anticipated, it is a small wound that will heal quickly in the long run

Now that makes sense so 10,000,000 and over is ideal ?

[iGotSpots]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

As an example, it is being raised from 2m to 10m at block 1m. You can lock wallet for 5 days and still hit the threshold

I understand this is not ideal, but with the higher supply than anticipated, it is a small wound that will heal quickly in the long run

Now that makes sense so 10,000,000 and over is ideal ?

Yes, but wait until I post new wallet

[GREEDYJOHN]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

As an example, it is being raised from 2m to 10m at block 1m. You can lock wallet for 5 days and still hit the threshold

I understand this is not ideal, but with the higher supply than anticipated, it is a small wound that will heal quickly in the long run

Alright, I have locked my wallet because of Negative stake, when I am supposed to get positive stake.

How do I ensure that the un-staked transactions do not cause negative stakes in 5 days time?

Wallet seemed to split up my 2.5m inputs, so it behaved as if I sent 1.2m CUBE.

Look at this:
Transaction ID: a4c0c3f1922b3f98417ceef85512299b9efb5408f2c64c9d72f4798e49334bfc

[Nobitcoin]

The new formula will require 10x block number instead of 2x

This is because when the fork originally was made, we were at about half the supply we are at now. This has been raised since supply got much higher than expected

I will also push the chain forward right away so this fork kicks in quickly and people don't have to stake negative to reach it

I understand this was not what was stated earlier, but you must understand that a lot changed in the two months between 2.0 being posted and now (mainly the moneysupply being way higher than anticipated)

So my 2100000 blocks won't stake properly ? Do I have to make them 20,000,000 instead ? And only reward of 100k + max ?

As an example, it is being raised from 2m to 10m at block 1m. You can lock wallet for 5 days and still hit the threshold

I understand this is not ideal, but with the higher supply than anticipated, it is a small wound that will heal quickly in the long run

Now that makes sense so 10,000,000 and over is ideal ?

Yes, but wait until I post new wallet

Alright cool I will wait until then

[roadhog]

Thanks spots

glad your still on board.

shame it didn't quit work as you planed but i do think your onto something that would make cube unique in the long run.

cheers

[GREEDYJOHN]

No, all of my inputs that staked negative were over 2 million. Well over 2 million

Look again please

have you moved any coins after this stake ? if not do a screenshot of the minting tab

Have not moved anything yet, all I have done is lock my wallet so I dont lose more

Screenshotting the minting tab, which is a mess is no help to anyone..

look at the stake input column on this block: http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/block.php?height=1000047

2,500,000 exactly

Minted: -250,888.30, 10% of the input size

I hade exactly the same problem, because I minted exactly the same amount of coins, all over 2.5m:
Transaction ID: a4c0c3f1922b3f98417ceef85512299b9efb5408f2c64c9d72f4798e49334bfc

[iGotSpots]

cryptopia got informed about upcoming fork in advance,

when new wallet is ready, please PM sa_ddam213 all technical details

Thanks

We will return to the grey wallet for now. Can do more GUI updates later, I just wanna get this out as soon as possible

[CaptainMAD]

Confirmations taking forever  :-(