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October 23, 2015, 07:31:41 PM
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America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 (thats in the trillions if you were not sure)

Thats $60,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the country.

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October 23, 2015, 07:54:41 PM
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America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 (thats in the trillions if you were not sure)

Thats $60,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the country.

Ticking timebomb waiting to blow, keeping the gold nicely polished waiting for the day Smiley
 
  
Can anyone extend this graph out?  At this insane exponential (possibly exponential2) growth, when will we hit a debt ceiling of 1 quadrillion?  I think it will happen much sooner than we expect, possibly as soon as 2030 at the current rate of growth.

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October 23, 2015, 08:14:33 PM
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America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 (thats in the trillions if you were not sure)

Thats $60,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the country.

Ticking timebomb waiting to blow, keeping the gold nicely polished waiting for the day Smiley
 
  
Can anyone extend this graph out?  At this insane exponential (possibly exponential2) growth, when will we hit a debt ceiling of 1 quadrillion?  I think it will happen much sooner than we expect, possibly as soon as 2030 at the current rate of growth.

Doubt it will go that high, its already way past the unsustainable point as is. Also seriously doubt whether most of that debt will ever be paid back. The central banks bargain on the economy growing itself out of the debt but cannot see that happening. Not sure how they are going to get it sorted out, all I know is that something big is on its way and it ain't going to be a picnic.

Also, don't forget about Europe, Draghi is trying his level best to catch up on his own chart, don't like being left behind.
 
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October 23, 2015, 08:17:15 PM
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Goodness gracious where is this headed to?? When this blows up we will be all screwed, the whole world.

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October 23, 2015, 08:49:42 PM
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Goodness gracious where is this headed to?? When this blows up we will be all screwed, the whole world.

I am so happy that I got into Bitcoin!  

I've been thinking about that a lot - where is this heading to? Can it really explode?

I'm no economics expert but here's my take...

How much of this debt is owed to America vs. other countries or entities? The debt owed to other countries or entities is real.  Those groups can knock on America's door and say "pay up" and America would have to comply. The debt to America is internal...like borrowing money from a family member. The payoff requirement is more blurry.

I wonder what real discussions are had at the highest levels of government about what  to do if the debt cycle implodes "on my watch"... America isn't the only country with soaring debt.

All this talk makes me want to go pay down some debt!

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October 23, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
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Debt ceiling alarm!  Press "snooze".  Go back to sleep.
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October 23, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
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The debt of United States its a bit ugly, its impossible to return it. And I suppose that isn't the only country that will have problems to pay its debt. Yes they can impress more money to pay, but with this movement they create new debt. One of the big things of bitcoins its that there is a limit of bitcoins, you can't "print" more bitcoins.
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October 24, 2015, 02:54:15 AM
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Ok, let's start a fundraising campaign to receive bitcoin donation to repay the debt.

19600000000000/280 = Only 70 billion bitcoins are needed.

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October 24, 2015, 03:34:59 AM
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Ok, let's start a fundraising campaign to receive bitcoin donation to repay the debt.

19600000000000/280 = Only 70 billion bitcoins are needed.


Good news everyone!  If we just wait a couple of decades only 400,000 bitcoins will be needed!

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October 24, 2015, 04:56:37 AM
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I wonder how high will this thing go before people finally wake up from daydreaming and realizing the truth about the real scenario. Sometimes what I don't understand is that how these things can go up so high and yet things are still not collapsing?

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October 24, 2015, 07:10:55 AM
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i'm still wondering one thing and only one, why this shit is not sinked already?

how can they sustain this ridiculous farse with that debt, and keep going like nothing is in trouble
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October 24, 2015, 07:18:33 AM
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Had they refrained from invading third world nations, to put their idea of "forced regime change" in to place, the debt would have been much lower. The Iraq invasion alone cost the Americans some $3 trillion. Add in the invasions of Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan.etc and you will find that more than 50% of the debt was created as a result of warfare.

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October 24, 2015, 07:21:43 AM
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There can be only three possible outcomes, or some combination.

Officially declare bankruptcy.
Hyperinflation.
A war on a scale that makes little things like numbers meaningless.

That's it. There are no other options for clearing the debt. The US is going to lose its financial lead on the world stage and there is not enough money in the world to prevent it at this point.

It's just as bad in europe. We can't even pay for our own people and then we got massive amounts of immigrants on top of that. The entire western economy is going to collapse and it is going to happen within our lifetimes, possible as soon as within the next 5-10 years. Just a matter of how long they can keep kicking the can.

Look inside yourself, and you will see that you are the bubble.
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October 24, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
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Goodness gracious where is this headed to?? When this blows up we will be all screwed, the whole world.

I am so happy that I got into Bitcoin!  

I've been thinking about that a lot - where is this heading to? Can it really explode?

I'm no economics expert but here's my take...

How much of this debt is owed to America vs. other countries or entities? The debt owed to other countries or entities is real.  Those groups can knock on America's door and say "pay up" and America would have to comply. The debt to America is internal...like borrowing money from a family member. The payoff requirement is more blurry.

I wonder what real discussions are had at the highest levels of government about what  to do if the debt cycle implodes "on my watch"... America isn't the only country with soaring debt.

All this talk makes me want to go pay down some debt!

It's not all internal. I know that Chinese own hell of a  lot of the US debt. Maybe someone can share how much this is in numbers.

Ad I understand, this is still going on because dollar is the world currency. Over 78% of world reserves are in dollars. But if people would knock on US door and asked for their money, Chinese for example, the US wouldn't be able to pay. In this case, I guess the war and the reset of the system would be only viable option.
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October 24, 2015, 08:27:29 AM
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Wow what a graph.This is what I call exponential growth!
Scary as hell. Shocked
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October 24, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
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Wow what a graph.This is what I call exponential growth!
Scary as hell. Shocked

Wait till 2017, when Hillary will launch her invasion of Iran and DPRK. You will be having a logarithmic graph, and the total debt will cross the $100 trillion mark by 2020. Well, that is.. if the US Dollar still remains as the reserve currency of the world.

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October 24, 2015, 08:32:15 AM
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America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 (thats in the trillions if you were not sure)

Thats $60,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the country.

Ticking timebomb waiting to blow, keeping the gold nicely polished waiting for the day Smiley
 
  
Can anyone extend this graph out?  At this insane exponential (possibly exponential2) growth, when will we hit a debt ceiling of 1 quadrillion?  I think it will happen much sooner than we expect, possibly as soon as 2030 at the current rate of growth.

Doubt it will go that high, its already way past the unsustainable point as is. Also seriously doubt whether most of that debt will ever be paid back. The central banks bargain on the economy growing itself out of the debt but cannot see that happening. Not sure how they are going to get it sorted out, all I know is that something big is on its way and it ain't going to be a picnic.

Also, don't forget about Europe, Draghi is trying his level best to catch up on his own chart, don't like being left behind.
 

Here a nice comparison between the two.

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October 24, 2015, 09:49:36 AM
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i'm still wondering one thing and only one, why this shit is not sinked already?

how can they sustain this ridiculous farse with that debt, and keep going like nothing is in trouble

They will simply continue with stretching out everything as long as possible. As long as they do that, there won't be anything that will happen. In 10 years from now we'll ask ourself the same question. How can this continue for such a long time without a total collapse?

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October 24, 2015, 10:06:59 AM
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Can anyone extend this graph out?  At this insane exponential (possibly exponential2) growth

I doubt it'll continue like that, most world governments are making moves to reduce the budget deficit as it is (the UK is supposed to have a balanced budget by 2020) and countries like China & Germany still have vast amounts of money they can lend out. And either way, even if a country goes bankrupt, I doubt it'll cause "global collapse" like most people think.

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