rumors of 3.5Th antminer S7 "lite"

[RichBC]

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door  and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable. 

Rich

[notlist3d]

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door  and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable. 

Rich

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce.   And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one.  For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go.   They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

[notlist3d]

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door  and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable. 

Rich

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce.   And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one.  For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go.   They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

This is true, I wonder if they would start selling the miners to large warehouses under an NDA before announcing it to us or while continuing to work on it.

I bet if they do have 14nm they keep it top secret and only very trusted employees.   We have seen NDA from big datacenter does not always hold them:

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

True or not we don't know yet.  But he is only one to leak this data, and no doubt had NDA.  There are always those who have reasons on releasing data, so even with NDA it's not perfect.

[VirosaGITS]

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.


Rich

I would agree this is not a standard rendering where they are out to scam.  This a big company and released quite a few products in the past.

14nm is going to be interesting if they heat deadlines.   The ones that stayed at 28nm seem to be the current winners.   Avalon if true at all on timeframe we should see it in a few weeks.  But we all know how some products can be on deadlines. 

I find it interesting that avalon 6 and new rumored new s7 are so close together in time frames.    One could have did a announcement to effect others sales. Its quite a cut throat business.

I'm not saying its a scam, i'm saying we all know how pre-order work out. You pay now because its a good price now and then when you do get it, its worthless because the market changed too much since then.

And seeing how quick BTC went up and how much difficulty raise we're looking at, it could just easily go down by the time these hit the door.

[notlist3d]

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.


Rich

I would agree this is not a standard rendering where they are out to scam.  This a big company and released quite a few products in the past.

14nm is going to be interesting if they heat deadlines.   The ones that stayed at 28nm seem to be the current winners.   Avalon if true at all on timeframe we should see it in a few weeks.  But we all know how some products can be on deadlines. 

I find it interesting that avalon 6 and new rumored new s7 are so close together in time frames.    One could have did a announcement to effect others sales. Its quite a cut throat business.

I'm not saying its a scam, i'm saying we all know how pre-order work out. You pay now because its a good price now and then when you do get it, its worthless because the market changed too much since then.

And seeing how quick BTC went up and how much difficulty raise we're looking at, it could just easily go down by the time these hit the door.

I know I learned my lesson with Blackarrow and preordering .

Mine was terrahash long long ago.  Looked great and even had a prototype... .but it fell apart before final product.  I was lucky I use paypal.

I'm rather suprised they scammed a lot of money and we really never hear a lot about them.  Like 2-3 sued but don't know if they got money or not back.

[philipma1957]

gear has to show fast or don't bother.

hell with current price of coin at 360 usd  s-3's are good gear again.

[notlist3d]

gear has to show fast or don't bother.

hell with current price of coin at 360 usd  s-3's are good gear again.

I am kinda kicking myself. I got rid of my S4's when it was at 230's.  I just was not making much compared to sell price, and was afraid of newer miners pushing down price.

So they would be much more profitable now then they were when I sold them.  A ROI is a ROI.... but I hate knowing there was more I could have gotten.  I'm not perfect i guess .

[QuintLeo]

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce.   And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one.  For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go.   They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

 I suspect Bitmain is working to go straight to full custom on 14/16nm, as KnC and BitFury have already ANNOUNCED 14 or 16nm chips with full-custom level stats.
 IIRC KnC has announced their "Solar" chips are in actual production (though their slow hash growth indicates some major yield issues).
 IIRC BitFury has announced tapeout on their 14nm, but no production yet.

 On the other hand, nobody is selling 14/16nm to end users yet, just to themselves and possibly major farms.

[notlist3d]

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce.   And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one.  For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go.   They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

 I suspect Bitmain is working to go straight to full custom on 14/16nm, as KnC and BitFury have already ANNOUNCED 14 or 16nm chips with full-custom level stats.
 IIRC KnC has announced their "Solar" chips are in actual production (though their slow hash growth indicates some major yield issues).
 IIRC BitFury has announced tapeout on their 14nm, but no production yet.

 On the other hand, nobody is selling 14/16nm to end users yet, just to themselves and possibly major farms.

Also SFards say's they are back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985400.1600

So there could be some of those if they do what they are talking about.  Lot's of companies and lots of unknowns.

[dog1965]

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

[RichBC]

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

This one could go either way, however rumoured release date was the 10th.


Rich

[notlist3d]

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

This one could go either way, however rumoured release date was the 10th.


Rich

We do not know how accurate his info is. I thought accurate at first.  But his latest leak on price on S7 in bulk does not add up since it's cheaper to buy S7 as a regular customer then what he claims a 1 PH customer gets.

So I'm losing faith in the info that was leaked.

[VirosaGITS]

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

This one could go either way, however rumoured release date was the 10th.


Rich

We do not know how accurate his info is. I thought accurate at first.  But his latest leak on price on S7 in bulk does not add up since it's cheaper to buy S7 as a regular customer then what he claims a 1 PH customer gets.

So I'm losing faith in the info that was leaked.

I very much hope the fact come through because i could really use a S7 lite right now. Right now buying a full S7 is a bit iffy considering how much money you're putting in limbo for a minimum of 1 month, since the shipping is not due for one month. =/

[notlist3d]

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

This one could go either way, however rumoured release date was the 10th.


Rich

We do not know how accurate his info is. I thought accurate at first.  But his latest leak on price on S7 in bulk does not add up since it's cheaper to buy S7 as a regular customer then what he claims a 1 PH customer gets.

So I'm losing faith in the info that was leaked.

I very much hope the fact come through because i could really use a S7 lite right now. Right now buying a full S7 is a bit iffy considering how much money you're putting in limbo for a minimum of 1 month, since the shipping is not due for one month. =/

I don't know how sure I am of his info.   He said a price that was higher if you bought 1  PH then if you just bought 1 miner per T.  So either a typo or miscommunication or something.

But it makes me wonder on his leaks when the price did not add up right on one of them.

[RichBC]

I would like the rumour to be true, a 2 board 3.5TH lower priced S7 makes a lot of sense. Looking back at the original source it has a low key matter of fact ring of truth to it .

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

However... if you look at the detail the maths never did add up to a 2 Board 3.5TH S7 more like 3.2TH. The OP was on the 24th October, "next week" for "price release" was last week. 10 elapsed days is Today the 3rd. 10 Working days is this coming Friday which is the 6th and yet the "release to market" is on the 10th?

So nothing adds up, so perhaps it was all just confused with Batch 4 & 5 of the S7?

Anyway we can live in hope as it would be a good addition to the range and straight competition for the B-Eleven & Avalon6.  


Rich

[VirosaGITS]

I would like the rumour to be true, a 2 board 3.5TH lower priced S7 makes a lot of sense. Looking back at the original source it has a low key matter of fact ring of truth to it .

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

However... if you look at the detail the maths never did add up to a 2 Board 3.5TH S7 more like 3.2TH. The OP was on the 24th October, "next week" for "price release" was last week. 10 elapsed days is Today the 3rd. 10 Working days is this coming Friday which is the 6th and yet the "release to market" is on the 10th?

So nothing adds up, so perhaps it was all just confused with Batch 4 & 5 of the S7?

Anyway we can live in hope as it would be a good addition to the range and straight competition for the B-Eleven & Avalon6.  


Rich

A 3.5 TH/s would be fine with better thermal dissipation and better volt control for a higher OC i would think, but i acknowledge that the information seem a bit wushy washy. All in all, we'll know for sure in a week and meanwhile no point in planning your finance around the S7 Lite.

[notlist3d]

I would like the rumour to be true, a 2 board 3.5TH lower priced S7 makes a lot of sense. Looking back at the original source it has a low key matter of fact ring of truth to it .

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

However... if you look at the detail the maths never did add up to a 2 Board 3.5TH S7 more like 3.2TH. The OP was on the 24th October, "next week" for "price release" was last week. 10 elapsed days is Today the 3rd. 10 Working days is this coming Friday which is the 6th and yet the "release to market" is on the 10th?

So nothing adds up, so perhaps it was all just confused with Batch 4 & 5 of the S7?

Anyway we can live in hope as it would be a good addition to the range and straight competition for the B-Eleven & Avalon6.  


Rich

A 3.5 TH/s would be fine with better thermal dissipation and better volt control for a higher OC i would think, but i acknowledge that the information seem a bit wushy washy. All in all, we'll know for sure in a week and meanwhile no point in planning your finance around the S7 Lite.

I'm not sure what to think on the leak at this point.  The price does not make sense on his latest leak:

avalon delayed the shipment of a6 to the end of this week, bitmain release new s7 now, seems like new s7's hashrate is not stable for single unit, so they want to sell according to real hash rate of miner, the price for large order exceeding 1P hash rate is 430$ per T h/s. so i will sell according to 470$ per T h/s(40$ for psu and other fee). you can reply with how much hashrate you want to buy, then i can decide how much i should order.
Ok
new s7, 470$ per T hash/s

So... not sure if he was leaking false info for reasons.  Or if right and just some numbers got mixed up.

[Amph]

I would like the rumour to be true, a 2 board 3.5TH lower priced S7 makes a lot of sense. Looking back at the original source it has a low key matter of fact ring of truth to it .

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

However... if you look at the detail the maths never did add up to a 2 Board 3.5TH S7 more like 3.2TH. The OP was on the 24th October, "next week" for "price release" was last week. 10 elapsed days is Today the 3rd. 10 Working days is this coming Friday which is the 6th and yet the "release to market" is on the 10th?

So nothing adds up, so perhaps it was all just confused with Batch 4 & 5 of the S7?

Anyway we can live in hope as it would be a good addition to the range and straight competition for the B-Eleven & Avalon6.  


Rich

A 3.5 TH/s would be fine with better thermal dissipation and better volt control for a higher OC i would think, but i acknowledge that the information seem a bit wushy washy. All in all, we'll know for sure in a week and meanwhile no point in planning your finance around the S7 Lite.

with the current value of bitcoin, they will probably price it too a very high amount, i think buying miners right now is a bad investment, miners should be bought when bitcoin is dead, and mine now with the mega pump

[Searing]

I would like the rumour to be true, a 2 board 3.5TH lower priced S7 makes a lot of sense. Looking back at the original source it has a low key matter of fact ring of truth to it .

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

However... if you look at the detail the maths never did add up to a 2 Board 3.5TH S7 more like 3.2TH. The OP was on the 24th October, "next week" for "price release" was last week. 10 elapsed days is Today the 3rd. 10 Working days is this coming Friday which is the 6th and yet the "release to market" is on the 10th?

So nothing adds up, so perhaps it was all just confused with Batch 4 & 5 of the S7?

Anyway we can live in hope as it would be a good addition to the range and straight competition for the B-Eleven & Avalon6.  


Rich

A 3.5 TH/s would be fine with better thermal dissipation and better volt control for a higher OC i would think, but i acknowledge that the information seem a bit wushy washy. All in all, we'll know for sure in a week and meanwhile no point in planning your finance around the S7 Lite.

with the current value of bitcoin, they will probably price it too a very high amount, i think buying miners right now is a bad investment, miners should be bought when bitcoin is dead, and mine now with the mega pump

heh posted this on another thread below...essentially my KNC 550gh Jupiter BTC miner would now ONLY lose 11 bucks a month in electric vs payout in BTC at 13c kwh...so go baby go
I may fire the baby up again for swap'ing electric for btc...come to think of it....its winter I probably could justify turning it on now as a 'space heater' lol

link with details and btc calc used below

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737629.msg12878694#msg12878694


So I would IMAGINE that a lot of S7 and S5+ guys that got miners (at least with USD) are now happy as clams...(assuming their first batch stuff works kinda/sorta as advertised)

So it could get interesting with 'old miners' pop'ing up..if only for a 'brief time' till difficulty sinks them again..but still...kinda funny imho

[dog1965]

wow BTC is sky rocketing Just ordered my brand new S7 which I did not have enough for until it sky rocketed now have to wait until NOV-23 until they ship then about 3 to 4 days until it gets to my door.

Bought it from batch 5 which is already sold out. hope it still sky rockets by then which I doubt lol lol.  

sorry shipping may start nov 23 to dec 03 and then that 10 day late thing this is crazy guess I have to wait.