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Question: 2020 NBA Champion?
Clippers - 16 (26.7%)
Lakers - 22 (36.7%)
Bucks - 2 (3.3%)
Rockets - 3 (5%)
Sixers - 1 (1.7%)
Warriors - 6 (10%)
Jazz - 0 (0%)
Nuggets - 5 (8.3%)
Celtics - 0 (0%)
Other - 5 (8.3%)
Total Voters: 60

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March 04, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
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we havent seen a 6'8  250 pounds who is very quick and versatile and a good all around player.

Post of the day lol.
Have you ever heard of someone named Magic Johnson ? He played 30 years before Lebron.  Wink
You Lebron fanboys should stop with the nonsense. You're either trolling or you have no idea what you're talking about.
Jordan, Magic, Chamberlain and Jabbar are the top players of all time. You could include Russell as well. These guys revolutionized the game, Lebron didn't whatever you may think.
Then you have guys like Lebron, Kobe, Bird... but just because you like Lebron, you've seen him play and you believe he has lots of skills for a tall guy doesn't put him in the same category as those legends above.
Be serious just one minute.
Reply of the year lol!

Nah, we have different perspective man! You have your own, I have mine. And I dont know if youre as well trolling or just a plain hater. Of course I know what I was talking about, I didnt even argue the names of the legends, I was talking about the popular name that come up when we are talking about the GOAT. And players 30 years before isnt as explosive as today in case you havent noticed how player evolved today.

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March 04, 2019, 01:32:06 PM
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Nah, we have different perspective man! You have your own, I have mine. And I dont know if youre as well trolling or just a plain hater. Of course I know what I was talking about, I didnt even argue the names of the legends, I was talking about the popular name that come up when we are talking about the GOAT. And players 30 years before isnt as explosive as today in case you havent noticed how player evolved today.

Carl Lewis isn't as fast as Justin Gatlin... he's a legend, Gatlin is not.  Wink
It's called progress, mostly pharmaceutical progress.

Have you seen Jordan play ? Magic ? And I mean live, not in replays. If you have, you know that Lebron is not in the same league as these two.
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March 04, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
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Pau Gasol finally joined the Milwaukee Bucks team.
He is a good player but I think he is a little bit old and I don't know if he will be able to help the team, especially in the playoff series which is kind of tiring.

What do you think guys? Is this signing going to empower the Bucks squad?

I'm not really sure what Bucks sign Gasol. Anyways, someone said because Pau brings experienced to that young Bucks so partly if maybe the reason.

Checking on his stats as a San Antonio, he averages just 4 points and almost 5 rebounds again. Maybe he could be just a back up for Lopez. So I don't think that he will add significant numbers for the team, perhaps some intangibles like playoffs experienced.

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March 04, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
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People are putting too much bearing on championships when discussing who is the greatest.  I think Lebron is a better overall player than Jordan.  The 6 rings doesn't matter to me because Jordan always had stacked teams and Pippen is better than any player Lebron has ever played with.

But that's how the way it is dude, Jordan has set the bar high. That's why when debates happen as to who is the greatest, Jordan - 6, Kobe - 5, Lebron - 3. So it really matters. Lebron played with some of the best during their prime, specially in D Wade, just saying.

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March 04, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
 #20165

Pau Gasol finally joined the Milwaukee Bucks team.
He is a good player but I think he is a little bit old and I don't know if he will be able to help the team, especially in the playoff series which is kind of tiring.

What do you think guys? Is this signing going to empower the Bucks squad?

I'm not really sure what Bucks sign Gasol. Anyways, someone said because Pau brings experienced to that young Bucks so partly if maybe the reason.

Checking on his stats as a San Antonio, he averages just 4 points and almost 5 rebounds again. Maybe he could be just a back up for Lopez. So I don't think that he will add significant numbers for the team, perhaps some intangibles like playoffs experienced.
As you said, stats wise we seen nothing significant favoring bucks after signing gasul, as he's not performing well after the lakers era way back
with kobe and odom, but in anyhow, bucks needs someone who can guide them all the way to the finals, even he can't give 100% of physical
capabilities but mentally he can add some good chemistry.

 
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The 6 rings doesn't matter to me because Jordan always had stacked teams and Pippen is better than any player Lebron has ever played with.

Oh my god !
Jordan's Bulls won their 6 titles without a point guard and a center !
Jordan's teammates were Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Bill Wennington, Jud Buechler, Scott Williams, Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, Pete Myers, Luc Longley, John Paxson, B.J. Armstrong... do you have any idea how bad these guys were ? The whole playing system of the Bulls was made so that they would never touch the ball in offense. None of those guys would be a starter for a franchise today, they would be at the end of the bench (except maybe for Armstrong and Harper) ! They were there because they were good teammates but that's it. Hadn't they played for the Bulls, no one would remember them today. Actually I'm sure many of you never heard of them.
Sure he had Pippen, Rodman (and before that Horace Grant) and even Kukoc but none of them was a superstar of their own, they proved it while he was gone.
He won 6 titles with 2 good players alongside him (3 if you count Kukoc later on) and lots of very average players to say the least.
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March 04, 2019, 03:59:48 PM
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Pau Gasol finally joined the Milwaukee Bucks team.
He is a good player but I think he is a little bit old and I don't know if he will be able to help the team, especially in the playoff series which is kind of tiring.

What do you think guys? Is this signing going to empower the Bucks squad?

It's not how gasul play the game anymore. What the bucks needs is the leadership during crucial games especially in the playoffs where in composure is needed. Gasul can calm down the players when they became stiff in their plays and that's what veteran players can do in crucial games.

Right, maybe we really taken that Gasol can't really perform high level basketball. But I'm sure being a veteran in the game already, he can be the catalyst for this young Bucks if the playoffs.

I'm sure he can still contribute not scoring wise though, maybe just a simple pick and roll or some play inside so that the floor can be open and space so that they will have another options of scoring.

 
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March 04, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
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Maybe Gasol has more left in the tank than we think and maybe that's why he left the Spurs, because he feels he can still play at a good level but wasn't given the chance to prove it this year. After all, he was still scoring 10ppg in 23 minutes last year. Those are decent numbers.
Anyway, whether he can still bring it or not, he's definitely a leader, someone who can by his experience give a lot to a younger inexperienced team, which the Bucks are.
He'll definitely be an asset for them.
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The 6 rings doesn't matter to me because Jordan always had stacked teams and Pippen is better than any player Lebron has ever played with.

Oh my god !
Jordan's Bulls won their 6 titles without a point guard and a center !
Jordan's teammates were Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Bill Wennington, Jud Buechler, Scott Williams, Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, Pete Myers, Luc Longley, John Paxson, B.J. Armstrong... do you have any idea how bad these guys were ? The whole paying system of the Bulls was made so that they would never touch the ball in offense. None of those guys would be a starter for a franchise today, they would be at the end of the bench (except maybe for Armstrong and Harper) ! They were there because they were good teammates but that's it. Hadn't they played for the Bulls, no one would remember them today. Actually I'm sure many of you never heard of them.
Sure he had Pippen, Rodman (and before that Horace Grant) and even Kukoc but none of them was a superstar of their own, they proved it while he was gone.
He won 6 titles with 2 good players alongside him (3 if you count Kukoc later on) and lots of very average players to say the least.

Right. Hardcore lbj fans always put up in arguments that he has pippen and rodman lol. Jerry krause stated that he didn't hear anything from jordan about who he needed to help him. And that he believed he was so good he could win with anyone on his team. And jordan was THAT good. Too many apologetics for lbj and that will only tarnish his legacy.

 
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Championship is definitely important but also it brings out the question why does a GOAT caliber player doesn't have other good players with him ? I mean lets look at Karl Malone and john Stockton, they were definitely great but if they are in GOAT discussions I am sorry but they were two great players who couldn't pull it off, so I doubt they are at that level, MJ probably only had Scottie we can count on and maaaybe Rodman but that is a bit tough.

If you are great anyway than players should want to play with you to begin with, players should want to come to your team, look at warriors, how did they got Durant? Because they were already great and Durant wanted a ring with them, why didn't T-Mac and Yao get another superstar ? Because, even with another superstar they possibly could lose. Why did Bosh-Wade-Lebron deal happened? Because they believed they could get couple titles together.
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Championship is definitely important but also it brings out the question why does a GOAT caliber player doesn't have other good players with him ? I mean lets look at Karl Malone and john Stockton, they were definitely great but if they are in GOAT discussions I am sorry but they were two great players who couldn't pull it off, so I doubt they are at that level, MJ probably only had Scottie we can count on and maaaybe Rodman but that is a bit tough.

You could also add Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing in that discussions. Jordan denied the 2 a ring because they're unfortunate to have Jordan as contemporaries.

If you are great anyway than players should want to play with you to begin with, players should want to come to your team, look at warriors, how did they got Durant? Because they were already great and Durant wanted a ring with them, why didn't T-Mac and Yao get another superstar ? Because, even with another superstar they possibly could lose. Why did Bosh-Wade-Lebron deal happened? Because they believed they could get couple titles together.

They can be defined as super-teams. Previous era's, you only need one great player and then lots of supporting cast to help. But now, 2 or 3 great players need to join to order to bring championships.

 
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March 04, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
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I would take prime Kevin Garnett over prime Tim Duncan.  Duncan gets way more recognition because he played for a good team and people give him too much credit for the 5 champions they won.

I would even take a peak 2002-2003 McGrady on my team over Kobe.
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Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:

James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic

Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.



...and people give him too much credit for the 5 champions they won.

Looking at how Duncan contributes to that 5 championship, he deserves that "too much credit".

And not just in Finals. Try to check his monster stats from season to playoffs during that championship years. No way he will just given a recognition like that just because of his name.

Anyways I erased the quote about Kevin Garnett because Im not trying to compare the two as someone might mislead.

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I don't mean to hate or troll (well maybe a little bit Tongue) but do we see more of this^ tonight against the Clippers or Lakers pull their shit together and act like a team that wants to make the playoffs? I guess I'm more interested in the stuff that goes off the court rather than the game itself. Lakers are such a mess at this point, even if you are not a fan you just feel sorry for them.

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Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:

James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic

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I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.

I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.

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Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:

James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic

Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.

I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Nikola Jokic deserves some recognition, he is very underrated player, this guy is still young and have so much to prove in the future.
I don't see westbrook in the list, what happen?

I guess Westbrook did better than PG, he manage the play that's why he is having some tripple double most of the time.

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Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:

James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic

Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.

I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Jokic stats deserved to be in that list, he's not getting the attention but he's just keep proving himself that he's really a contender that showed from
what the team's current position, and with how people recognized a superstars, he just an ordinary steady player who contribute without any fancy
movement that give him a signature one.

Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
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Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.

Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.




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March 05, 2019, 05:55:59 AM
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Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.

Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.

Statistically though, Harden is the number one because of his massive 36 points average per game. But as far as impact to his team, definitely, I'm go with Giannis here. I think it's going to be close MVP race here because of Giannis and Jokic and Paul George. I"m also not surprised to see Jokic on the list, Nuggets shows a lot of improvement this year because of him and fighting GSW for the top spot, so he should be in the discussions as well.

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March 05, 2019, 08:02:45 AM
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3 losing streak for the Lakers, at home still they cannot win.
Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.

 
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