New Terrorists attacks in Paris and a note on who didn't do them.

[Spendulus]

So, more idiots want to blow themselves up and take others lives.

No, it's not the Jews, Israel or the Mossad.  Or the "zionist" blah blah blah whatever.

Let's stop the misinformation and propaganda machines before they even starts up thread titles insinuating otherwise.

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[saddampbuh]

thanks, jews

[MissionPhailed]

18 confirmed death, unconfirmed 26 to 45. Looks like Paris has the unfortunate fate to be the Capital of terrorist attack in Europe, remember Charlie Hebdo in january.

No doubt this will have a significant impact on society and politics throughout Europe, as immigrants from Africa and the Middle East keep pouring in.

[zenitzz]

Two explosive devices at Stade de France, if those bombs went off right after the game when people were coming out

[spike420211]

Price manipulation for BTC's by Alluah Akbars?

[Tzupy]

Right now possibly 60 dead:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

[Terwa]

Good reddit:
update!
https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v

[iv4n]

I'm watching news and I can't believe what is happening again. Whst is in this people mind when they are capable to this kind of things. What kind of consequence will this have on refugee crises, on all Europe? Will they close borders now?

[galdur]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

[iv4n]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

Why this people didn't take their guns and atack Obama and white house, some military base, fbi or some police station.. why they kill innocent people? People with kids and families was there. But they are easy target, dont have guns. How can u even day something like that.

[galdur]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

Why this people didn't take their guns and atack Obama and white house, some military base, fbi or some police station.. why they kill innocent people? People with kids and families was there. But they are easy target, dont have guns. How can u even day something like that.

I don´t know. But I do know that Obama wipes out weddings and funerals et cetera on a regular basis to maybe kill some terrorists. Everybody else is just collateral damage, he doesn´t give a flying eff about that. Maybe he has a monopoly on mass murder, wonder who gave him that. Anyway, since terrorists usually don´t have the organization, manpower, money, armaments and licence to kill of terrorist states they attack soft targets.

[iv4n]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

Why this people didn't take their guns and atack Obama and white house, some military base, fbi or some police station.. why they kill innocent people? People with kids and families was there. But they are easy target, dont have guns. How can u even day something like that.

I don´t know. But I do know that Obama wipes out weddings and funerals et cetera on a regular basis to maybe kill some terrorists. Everybody else is just collateral damage, he doesn´t give a flying eff about that. Maybe he has a monopoly on mass murder, wonder who gave him that. Anyway, since terrorists usually don´t have the organization, manpower, money, armaments and licence to kill of terrorist states they attack soft targets.

So u tell me if someone stronger bully you, you will go and bully weaker then you. And that is ok? That is normal thing to do?

[galdur]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

Why this people didn't take their guns and atack Obama and white house, some military base, fbi or some police station.. why they kill innocent people? People with kids and families was there. But they are easy target, dont have guns. How can u even day something like that.

I don´t know. But I do know that Obama wipes out weddings and funerals et cetera on a regular basis to maybe kill some terrorists. Everybody else is just collateral damage, he doesn´t give a flying eff about that. Maybe he has a monopoly on mass murder, wonder who gave him that. Anyway, since terrorists usually don´t have the organization, manpower, money, armaments and licence to kill of terrorist states they attack soft targets.

So u tell me if someone stronger bully you, you will go and bully weaker then you. And that is ok? That is normal thing to do?

I´m not saying it´s OK, not defending anything. All I´m saying is that actions have consequences.

[Lauda]

I can't say that I'm surprised. It's pretty easy to carry out such an attack considering that any terrorist can now walk in freely into the EU claiming to be a refugee.

[galdur]

I can't say that I'm surprised. It's pretty easy to carry out such an attack considering that any terrorist can now walk in freely into the EU claiming to be a refugee.

Yes, and the fruitcakes in charge are desperately clamoring for more to come in. It´s policy, it´s what they want. They don´t resign, nobody´s fired  it´s not a question of stupidity or incompetence. It´s just policy as usual.

[Pab]

There is more news about it together with live update

At least 49 people have died and up to 60 people have been injured in an apparently coordinated series of gun and bomb attacks in Paris


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/13/paris-attacks-shootings-explosions-hostages


http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live

There was planty people there becouse of football game on Stad De France

[Tzupy]

Death toll could climb over 200, since the Bataclan is a carnage... my condolences to the French people...

[FrostStick]

Death toll is currently 160. It's going to rise soon enough.

[galdur]

There are consequences when you systematically destroy country after country and kill and displace millions of people. It´s easy for Obama, Clinton, Bush and Cameron etc. and the people who for some reason vote them into office to shed crocodile tears now.

Why this people didn't take their guns and atack Obama and white house, some military base, fbi or some police station.. why they kill innocent people? People with kids and families was there. But they are easy target, dont have guns. How can u even day something like that.

I don´t know. But I do know that Obama wipes out weddings and funerals et cetera on a regular basis to maybe kill some terrorists. Everybody else is just collateral damage, he doesn´t give a flying eff about that. Maybe he has a monopoly on mass murder, wonder who gave him that. Anyway, since terrorists usually don´t have the organization, manpower, money, armaments and licence to kill of terrorist states they attack soft targets.

So u tell me if someone stronger bully you, you will go and bully weaker then you. And that is ok? That is normal thing to do?

I´m not saying it´s OK, not defending anything. All I´m saying is that actions have consequences.

True, and as galdur said, it's not fully "innocent" people, citizens keep Obama and those killers in power, at least U.S citizens, France is an ally of U.S.A, French citizens are ok with his government being allied with such government ..  

Well, I didn´t actually say that but those terrorists might very well perceive it that way. Revenge isn´t exactly anything new though, it´s as old as dirt. After 9/11 people in charge gloated about a war against terrorists that might take decades or a century. After 14 years and incredible violence and several countries destroyed  it´s well on its way.

[harizen]

My morning was shocked by a big news spread out in my Facebook newsfeeds, Japan earthquake and this Paris attacked.

Paris we know has a light security that's why it's really fun to walk here without worrying that bullshit attack will happen. It is really unexpected. Just a normal day for them like any other days then eventually become nightmare. I read some of witnesses claim and I feel them.

Im really sad for what happened and reports says death toll will still rise omg.

We here in PH are praying for their safety.

#prayforparis

[HarryKPeters]

149 and counting...
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972

Let's hope the G20  will take drastic measures now. IS is not an Asian problem, but a world wide...

#prayforparis

[galdur]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

[HarryKPeters]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

[galdur]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

[Spendulus]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

Might indeed.

Note that "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't work too well with suicide bombers.

[galdur]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

Might indeed.

Note that "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't work too well with suicide bombers.

Well, during this war against terrorists that´s scheduled to take up to a century there are obviously all sorts of terrorists, evil ones, moderate terrorists, our sons of bitches et cetera. It´s difficult to figure out which is which and which is the flavor of the day. But Emanuel Goldstein was killed eleven times and seems to be permanently dead which is some progress I guess ,I´m mostly wondering who benefits from endless wars and have done since this hundred years war was declared.

[HarryKPeters]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

Might indeed.

Note that "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't work too well with suicide bombers.

Well, during this war against terrorists that´s scheduled to take up to a century there are obviously all sorts of terrorists, evil ones, moderate terrorists, our sons of bitches et cetera. It´s difficult to figure out which is which and which is the flavor of the day. I´m mostly wondering who benefits and have done since this hundred years war was declared.

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

[Spendulus]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

Might indeed.

Note that "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't work too well with suicide bombers.

Well, during this war against terrorists that´s scheduled to take up to a century there are obviously all sorts of terrorists, evil ones, moderate terrorists, our sons of bitches et cetera. It´s difficult to figure out which is which and which is the flavor of the day. But Emanuel Goldstein was killed eleven times and seems to be permanently dead which is some progress I guess ,I´m mostly wondering who benefits from endless wars and have done since this hundred years war was declared.

Excepting that geographical division existed in the  book 1984.  Placing terror in the midst of all nation states does make having the requisite Two Daily Minutes of Hate plausible.

[galdur]

French president says will fight attackers "without mercy"

Best of luck. Maybe it´ll work, time will tell. All I´ve seen in recent time is escalating violence.

The French president said a lot of good things. Closing the borders, terrorist aiming to spread hate, fear & violence.

Closing the borders is a strong sign for France being part of the EU. However it will not hold.

That´s good and even better would be to deal with the root. Stabilize countries that have been destroyed and refrain from destroying more of them. Also stopping kissing the asses of Saudi medieval princes and their friends and allies here and there that fund and support these ISIS terrorists

might very well be useful.

Might indeed.

Note that "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't work too well with suicide bombers.

Well, during this war against terrorists that´s scheduled to take up to a century there are obviously all sorts of terrorists, evil ones, moderate terrorists, our sons of bitches et cetera. It´s difficult to figure out which is which and which is the flavor of the day. I´m mostly wondering who benefits and have done since this hundred years war was declared.

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

The state has a monopoly on the use of violence. Therefore if it trains people to terrorize and destabilize countries they are by definition called freedom fighters. Well, that applies to our state of course. If other states that don´t adhere to our high and holy standards do this it´s terrorism. We kill people to free them, it´s for democracy. Humanitarian bombing is another side of that coin.

[Spendulus]

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

Bullshit.  Blame the victim crap.

If one percent of the people in the vicinity of these attacks had concealed carry, this tragedy could not have occurred to the extent it did. 

[galdur]

From the horse´s mouth:

BC: How long it lasts depends on whether the places out of which really big, effective terrorist groups are operating remain essentially stateless. The territories in Pakistan and the border area with Afghanistan are not part of a centralized state. Robert Kaplan has written tons of books about what’s going on in the modern world, and if you read The Ends of the Earth and these books that say we are de facto, no matter what the laws say, becoming nations of mega-city-states full of really poor, angry, uneducated, and highly vulnerable people, all over the world, we would have a lot of slumdog millionaires. If that’s right, then terror — meaning killing and robbery and coercion by people who do not have state authority and go beyond national borders — could be around for a very long time. On the other hand, terrorism needs both anxiety and opportunity to flourish. So one of the things that the United States and others ought to be doing is trying to help the nation-state adjust to the realities of the 21st century and then succeed.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/11/30/bill-clintons-world/

[FrostStick]

So this is caused by ISIS again?

[galdur]

'What are you doing in Syria? You're going to pay now'
Yasmin, inside the Bataclan, told BFM television: "I saw two guys. The biggest one said: 'What are you doing in Syria? You're going to pay now.'
"Then he opened fire.
"I saw bodies falling all around me. I was shot in the foot. It was carnage. I've never seen so many dead people all around," she said, sobbing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html#update-20151114-0115  timestamp 01:15

[galdur]

It´s important to pay close attention to the very first reports of events of this kind. Later they will have had time to spin things around. They being the people who cook up the news for you.

[Spendulus]

So this is caused by ISIS again?

 A terrorist was somehow taken alive at the concert hall. Not so surprising: He supposedly told police he’s with ISIS.

[galdur]

So this is caused by ISIS again?

 A terrorist was somehow taken alive at the concert hall. Not so surprising: He supposedly told police he’s with ISIS.

Well, this is the latest I see

Bataclan terrorists blew themselves up as police closed in
The Paris police prefect said the attackers at the Bataclan rock venue blew themselves up with suicide belts as police closed in. He said the gunmen first sprayed cafes outside the venue with machine gunfire, then went inside the concert hall and killed more before the assaullt by security forces.
The prefect, Michel Cadot, said the one set of attackers was at the stadium and at nearly the same time the second group attacked within the city.
Cadot said all the attackers are believed dead, although authorities are hunting for any possible accomplices.

[galdur]

Gen. Allen: ISIS War to Last ‘A Generation or More’
Obama's War Envoy Insists ISIS a Threat to Progress

by Jason Ditz, June 03, 2015

Out of and quickly back into Iraq, the Pentagon and its officials have talked about the new ISIS war with barely restrained glee as another chance to keep pushing Congress for bigger budgets, and for “emergency” war funding every single year.

Retired Marine Gen. John Allen, who has become President Obama’s special ambassador for the war, going around the world selling it to potential allies, today predicted the conflict would be much longer than anyone imagines, saying it “will likely take a generation or more.”

Citing his four decades in the Marines, Allen insists ISIS is the most brutal group ever, and claimed they are a threat to “the progress of humanity” if not defeated militarily. Which, again, he says is going to take “a generation or more.”

The American publicly is likely not up for another protracted, nation-bankrupting conflict, particularly since they’ve already got one ongoing in Afghanistan and just freshly got extricated from the last one in Iraq. Polls show war weariness already growing among voters nine months into the new war, with 61% saying the war is going badly, and 29% saying it’s going “very badly.”

That’s a surprising level of skepticism for this early in a war, particularly with the administration loudly insisting, every chance they get, that they are “winning” the war. The public is clearly not buying it, and that’s going to be a problem for the pro-war factions of both parties as months extend into years, let alone “generations.”

To the extent officials attempted to sell the American public on the ISIS war at all, it was couched as an extremely limited conflict, both in scope and timescale. The Pentagon has since escalated their involvement countless times, seemingly only making things worse with each escalation, and is now making it plain that what was supposed to be a  quick intervention to shift the momentum in favor of the Iraqi military is actually going to be an endless war of attrition aimed at destroying the de facto caliphate.

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/06/03/gen-allen-isis-war-to-last-a-generation-or-more/

[galdur]

This Allen guy, Obama´s ISIS Czar and master publicist,  is absolutely ding-dong looney tunes like the people who appointed him, needless to say. Like seeks like. But they were forced to fire him recently. Some lunatics just can´t act sane which obviously is bad for publicity.

[Flyskyhigh]

Possible Fake? HOAX?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3Ii9BXai4

Another thing, why no independent media coverage? Why such bad video coverage? Where is all of the HD cellphone coverage from everyone?

Raises suspicions!

[francism]

Possible Fake? HOAX?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3Ii9BXai4

Another thing, why no independent media coverage? Why such bad video coverage? Where is all of the HD cellphone coverage from everyone?

Raises suspicions!

Popular news media like the New York Times will not report this incident if it is a hoax. This is serious, are you on something?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-shooting-attacks.html

[galdur]

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

Bullshit.  Blame the victim crap.

If one percent of the people in the vicinity of these attacks had concealed carry, this tragedy could not have occurred to the extent it did.  

+1

Yes, there are no guns around it´s soft targets. In the U.S. terrorists obviously like those gun free zones that have been established, it goes without saying. It works the same. The list there is rather long. It´s policy.

[Blithe]

All Paris residents have been ordered to stay indoors for the first time since 1944. I heard from the news that the head of the Paris police said all the terrorists are believed to be dead, their identities and affiliation are not known publicly.

[mixan]

It is over now. They officially killed all the gunmen/terrorists.
There is bound to be repercussions so I wouldn't feel to safe walking outside in the morning there.
I think they reported 120 confirmed dead.

[galdur]

I do not know why this was the first thing that came to my mind...

Possible Fake? HOAX?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3Ii9BXai4

Another thing, why no independent media coverage? Why such bad video coverage? Where is all of the HD cellphone coverage from everyone?

Raises suspicions!

...it would not take long before idiots came out with conspiracy theories.

So bad for France, but this is an alarm to the world to not accept every "refugee" (so, is the US behind this to justify their anti-immigration policies? :itsaconspiracy: ).

Well, you can´t really 1. blow up country after country killing and displacing millions and 2. play dumb and hope that those displaced millions just get with it and move on in the chaos and rubble and endless war. They´re going to move on out of that obviously.

[Wolf Rainer]

Never forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpJlo0oLLM

[bitbaby]

This is something worth looking at: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3sphue/shootings_reported_in_central_paris_reports_of/cwzhrtb

Which suggests there may be more attacks in days to come.

[vero]

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

[jasonjm]

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

What I have learned so far is that Europeans like being invaded by masses of people who make zero effort to integrate, and / or want to kill them all, because its the "humane" thing to do.

[xht]

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Relax, Obama is scheduled to visit at the end of the month to discuss the real threat to France...climate change.

[jasonjm]

I hope he has time to squeeze it in between some fundraising and golf.

[galdur]

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Relax, Obama is scheduled to visit at the end of the month to discuss the real threat to France...climate change.

Yeah they declared war on the weather and it´s already a 1.5 Trillion dollar industry.

Emperor Caligula, another narcissistic nutball, ordered a military campaign against the sea back then, the more things change the more they stay the same, I guess.

[Patatas]

120 People are declared to be dead right now.Saw the video of during a football match the bomb explosion has been heard .This is utterly sad .When will the terrorism stop killing innocent people .When they'll know the reason of their disappointments is the politicians and not the local civilians.

[jasonjm]

nah you are wrong

Fundamentlist islamic beliefs are completely incompatible with western civilization.

they cannot and will never coexist.

has nothing to do with politics.

Their goal is simple : either Europe needs to be an Islamic state under sharia law, or the people of Europe must die, or at the very least live in constant fear of dying.

[croato]

I always thought ww3 will be something like west against east and now after that shit in Paris i see that was wrong. We are invaded and raped at our homeland. I am not some religious phreak but maybe Holy Bible is right (again) and that last battle will be at armageddon. I am pissed like hell, we welcome them and they use our hospitality to attack us. I fought muslims at Bosnia 1992-1994y and i am ready as hell to fight again them same as lot of my friends. If they think Europa is weak, let them think again. Europa is awakening again and you cant read that in mainstream media but it is real.

[pattu1]

The terrorists don't realize that this is going to make countries determined to take action against them. All western countries will step up their operations in the Middle East, to ensure that Islamic terrorism is rooted out. The impact is going to be felt by ordinary muslims in Iraq and Syria.

[galdur]

The terrorists don't realize that this is going to make countries determined to take action against them. All western countries will step up their operations in the Middle East, to ensure that Islamic terrorism is rooted out. The impact is going to be felt by ordinary muslims in Iraq and Syria.

It´s probably helpful to bear in mind that much of this ISIS force came to the Levant from Europe and many countries around the world. The largest contingents from Europe are French and British. It costs money to travel around both to and from Europe but understandably that isn´t discussed much by talking heads on TV and those who have their wisdom from them.

[galdur]

I think this British guy has been killed only once so far...

Jihadi John 'dead': MI5 on alert amid fears of Isil revenge attack - as it happened
American officials say we may never know whether the drone strike did indeed kill Jihadi John

Without specifically naming Jihadi John, Rami Abdulrahman, director of the UK-based organisation, said: "A car carrying four foreign Islamic State leaders, including one British Jihadi was hit by US air strikes right after the governorate building in Raqqa city.
"All the sources there are saying that the body of an important British jihadi is lying in the hospital of Raqqa.
"All the sources are saying it is of Jihadi John but I cannot confirm it personally."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11994992/jihadi-john-mohammed-emwazi-dead-syria-latest-news.html

[hilariousandco]

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

Bullshit.  Blame the victim crap.

If one percent of the people in the vicinity of these attacks had concealed carry, this tragedy could not have occurred to the extent it did.  

Really? Doesn't seem to stop school shooters very well. I don't think the answer to solving attacks like this is more guns around and gunfights on the streets. You can never prevent these things from happening.

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Lol. Is it immigrants or Muslims that do all the shootings in the States? This silly argument just suits your racist agenda. No matter how closed or restricted your borders are it isn't going to stop attacks and isn't going to stop existing citizens carrying them out nor will it stop white supremacist nutters doing them.

[Denker]

I can't say that I'm surprised. It's pretty easy to carry out such an attack considering that any terrorist can now walk in freely into the EU claiming to be a refugee.

Bingo! This will have an incredibly impact regarding the actual refugees stream and the once who were planned to distribute over the countries inside EU. Especially the eastern european countries will not take any refugees after that happening.
It's going to be interesting how german government will react as I think the pressure from the citizens to close the boarders will get bigger and bigger.Hundres of thousands were coming into the country without knowing who and where they are.
The risk something like that happens in any other mid european country is real and can not be denied anymore.
IF ISIS make claims to be responsible for that attacks expect more war and chaos in syria.
Hopefully a concentrated coordinated attack by US, EU and RU could bring this to an end in Syria.But I doubt this to happen.

[Pierre 2]

Europe never truly understands Islam, Muslims and Arabs. These kind of events kept happening in middle east for years nearly every day.
Arabs are not meant to be civilised (I don't say this in racist meaning) I mean Islam is so much different ideology from western capitalism.
Islam is actually COMPLETELY anticapitalistic. That's what is their motivation. Western world never really left Arabs freely live in their conservative way of life under Islam.
They keep showing they want it.
So USA and Europe should close doors and left middle east completely. Arabs will never be slaves.

[erikalui]

150+ people lost their lives. May their soul RIP. Those terrorists should rot in hell.

[rebuilder]

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

I don't know what ISIS' strategy in Europe is, but if it includes radicalizing European Muslims, the above sentiment is exactly what they need to play up. To radicalize peaceful muslims, it helps ISIS to be as vile as they possibly can be, as long as they manage to link two things in people's minds: Atrocious violence and Islam.

As ISIS brutalities strenghten that connection, the population at large will increasingly start to blame muslims as a group instead of ISIS specifically for terrorist acts. This will put the nonviolent majority of muslims in a difficult position - they will find themselves either having to defend Islam and muslims as a group or trying to distance themselves from it as much as possible. The latter would be both distasteful or unacceptable to many of them and very difficult to do, anyway. The former has the effect of solidifying the idea that muslims are indeed a group, making it easier yet for ISIS to paint the whole muslim world black in the eyes of the west.

It's really a pretty awful situation. All ISIS need to do to drive a wedge between muslims and the rest of the population in the west is to be as inhuman as they possibly can be. The worse the publicity, the better. Muslims who previously were able to live their lives like everyone else will find themselves singled out and persecuted. ISIS' message of fighting for muslims as a whole can start to make a lot more sense in that situation.


As far as the EU goes, I expect the borders will start closing up soon enough. It won't be good, but none of the options available really seem to be. Public pressure will require swift action of some kind, and tightened border security seems like the easiest appeasing move. The trouble is, that will essentially put the pressure on the countries of first entry to EU, namely mediterranean countries and the Balkans, by the looks of it. These are largely not wealthy countries, and would likely not be able or even willing to handle the task of being Europes border security force.It's not hard to see, for example, the Golden Dawn, those Nazis, rising to prominence in a Greece forced to deal with legions of immigrants coming across the mediterranean.

With that in mind, the rest of EU countries would pretty much have to agree to help. This seems like a straight path to an EU armed forces to me, tasked with both maintaining border security and participating in pacification missions in Middle-Eastern and African crisis countries. I'm not sure what action exactly they'd end up taking, but shoring up the southern (and eastern?) border of Turkey seems like a strong option as well.

All in all, a very nasty mess. I don't see any policy decisions being made that would get us all out of this cleanly.

[InvoKing]

150+ people lost their lives. May their soul RIP. Those terrorists should rot in hell.

They will, don't worry about that. Killing innocent people isn't allowed in any religion under any circumstances and no matter what excuses thoses terrorists gives.
Spreading the fear everywhere, making our lives a nightmare... STOP THE WARS!

[dukeneptun]

French ISIS members did these attacks, no surprise. The real question is WHO FUND ISIS? They didn't come out of nowhere. Some powers feed these and create monsters.
This is France's 9-11, it's the excuse for Middle East war. US did the same, we already know the game plan.

[countryfree]

I read French, and French media say the terrorists were speaking French. That doesn't surprise me. France has a huge number of Arabs who immigrated 30 or 50 years ago. Their children are officially French, with French IDs but they have foreign minds. They just don't belong to their birthplace.

[Spendulus]

Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

Bullshit.  Blame the victim crap.

If one percent of the people in the vicinity of these attacks had concealed carry, this tragedy could not have occurred to the extent it did.  

Really? Doesn't seem to stop school shooters very well. I don't think the answer to solving attacks like this is more guns around and gunfights on the streets. You can never prevent these things from happening.

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Lol. Is it immigrants or Muslims that do all the shootings in the States? This silly argument just suits your racist agenda. No matter how closed or restricted your borders are it isn't going to stop attacks and isn't going to stop existing citizens carrying them out nor will it stop white supremacist nutters doing them.

Unfortunately you have responded to a serious problem discussion with a sort of handwaving and bubbly nothingness.

One percent of a population armed would mean that in any case where an active shooter attacks, he would encounter bullets coming his way.  Then ENTIRE STRATEGY of these moron soldiers of death is to do their dirty deed before the police arrive.  Read that - before guns arrive.

As for who does shootings in the US, this is a mis direction.  And "racist agenda" indicates ad hominem argument.  That doesn't advance the discussion and doesn't move your argument anywhere but rebutted.

What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.

[btcjoin14]

Why Paris, again? I understand why terrorists did the shooting at Charlie Hebdo last time. But why Paris this time?

[InvoKing]

What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.

Wait we don't know exactly what is the real identities of thoses terrorists, assuming they are (hiding between) migrants then what you just said could be correct. But they could be a native French citizens that they got their brain washed...

[Spendulus]

What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.

Wait we don't know exactly what is the real identities of thoses terrorists, assuming they are (hiding between) migrants then what you just said could be correct. But they could be a native French citizens that they got their brain washed...

Could be.  But it doesn't matter, does it?  The actions of these radicals has killed any further fantasy of the wonders of open immigration.

That's the big effect of the Paris attacks.  That's just what it is.

[flagpara]

Hi guys, first as a French living in Paris i appreciate your concerns and ind words.

But please don't confuse everything, of what i read you're all suggesting two things: let the people carry weapons and get immigrants out.

On the first one i'll say that i'm pretty sure armed population would even be more dangerous on a terorist attack. Lot's of people didn't really understand what happened, some citizens fought others thinking they were part of the attack. It was a very unclear situation, i'm sure that if people were allowed to have guns, people would have killed more innocents than terrorists. Everyone was afraid and confused, you do reaaaaaaally stupid things when you're afraid.
And most of the damages were done by bombs and the first shots at Bataclan (the place where half victims were). Armed people wouldn't have done shit because they openned the gates of the room where the concert took place, screamed and shot in the public. They killed nearly 50 persons in just a few seconds, nobody would have reacted fast enough to stop them.

So no, we don't have guns and we don't want some thanks.

And for the immigrants... I'm not saying it has no importance, but people saying we should close the borders are stupid. France is huge, and so is Europe, terrorists are maybe hiding in the refugees groups but it doesn't matter, we just can't control our borders. Dozens of thousands of Mexican goes trough the USA borders and it's the fucing biggest and most secured border in the world! How do you want to control European borders??? You just can't. In France only it's 4 000 km of ground borders, and i'm not talking about the seas or the ocean...

It's terrible but sadly enough you can't really defend yourself. Which doesn't mean you can't attack though...

[Nemo1024]

When I read the first reports about the bombing and shooting in Paris yeasterday, my first thought was: another false flag operation, like Charlie Hebdo, but on a larger scale. It seems to be tied in with the bombing of the Russian passenger plane over Sinai too.

Today, I read a summary report from Lada Ray. She is usually pretty accurate on spotting the interconnections between various seemingly unrelated events on the world politics stage. She is usually moderately optimistic. This report, however, is her most pessimistic by far...

Perfect Storm? Will NATO mobilize in Wake of Paris Attacks?
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/perfect-storm-will-nato-mobilize-in-wake-of-paris-attacks/

...

First of all, RIP all the victims and deepest condolences to their families.

Unfortunately, the Paris events are a direct and easily predictable consequence of the NATO/US/West’s actions and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, as well as elsewhere in the Middle East. ISIL (aka, Daesh or ISIS) is staffed in big part by former Saddam Hussein’s officers, who are Sunnis and who had been dismissed by the US after they took over Iraq. The rest of ISIL is formed from the armed opposition left over after Libya was destroyed by NATO (including French) strikes, parts of Al Qaeda, as well and other Islamist rebels financed by US, Saudis and Qatar.

Also, I never had the chance to officially say RIP to the 224 victims of the Russian Kogalymavia Airbus320 flight from Sinai, Egypt. Our most sincere condolences to the families of all victims.

I have some serious intel about who benefitted from blowing up the Russian Airbus320 in Sinai. An article is coming when I get a spare moment.

The attacks in Paris and the Russian Egypt flight catastrophe are directly related to Syria, Assad and Russia’s successful anti-ISIL operation.

France has declared a state of emergency, closed down the airport and borders. This may signal the turnaround in the EU’s policy of open borders. This also may signal a turnaround of the EU policies towards refugees that are flooding Europe.

The attacks in Paris, already blamed on ISIL and refugees, may trigger a tough response from the French government. The closure of other EU countries’ borders is also possible.

The most worrisome is that if it is classified as an attack on one of the NATO members, this may become the signal for NATO mobilization. We all know how much criticism NATO has drawn in recent years, some calling for its disbanding as an organisation that has outlived its usefulness. This is a perfect storm for NATO. Such situation may confirm their usefulness and provide justification for their existence. It appears that there is already a groundwork for such NATO mobilization being prepared by MSM and Obama.

Considering the above, the attacks in Paris may have been a false flag designed to provoke NATO mobilization. The attack on the Russian Airbus320 in Egypt may have been orchestrated for the same purpose, among others: to make NATO countries agree to mobilization and intensification of bombings of ISIL in Syria and Iraq.

These things are often designed to be multi-prong. This may have also been a warning to Hollande to toe the line.  At the time of the attacks Hollande was at the stadium watching a match in close proximity to the explosions. Another thing that strikes me is that the match was between France and Germany. This effectively means that the warning was a hint to Germany to toe the line as well.

A similar warning took place previously when German plane Germanwings crashed in France. This happened immediately after Hollande and Merkel dared to defy the US in how they approached the Ukraine crisis, working with Russia on trying to stop war in Donbass. It also has to be noted that Russian plane blown up over Sinai was of the French manufacturer Airbus.

This effectively means the following:

After Russia’s successful bombing campaign in Syria, it was proven how ineffective (or how corrupt) the US/West’s bombings were. Thanks to Russian air support, Syrian army is now advancing on four directions at the same time, having gained control over half of the territory previously controlled by ISIL, with attack on their capital planned in the near future. Such miraculous turnaround was absolutely impossible to imagine just a few short weeks ago, before Russians went to Syria.

If it keeps up, Syria will be ISIL-free in a few months. I wrote in Earth Shift Report 5: SYRIA GAME CHANGER that Russian jets would squeeze out US and NATO airforce planes out of Syrian airspace because they wouldn’t risk colliding directly with the Russians. And it has happened in the exact way predicted.

All Russia needs is for the US and West to get out of the way and let them do their job. This seemingly started happening with Obama/Kerry changing their rhetoric, talking negotiations and intel sharing. However, I fear that one thing is being said to Lavrov’s face and something entirely different behind the closed doors. I never thought that US/NATO/Pentagon would just accept the humiliation of being outplayed and sidetracked in Syria. They would do everything in their power to make Russia’s job as difficult as possible.

This possibility could arise out of Paris attacks. If NATO countries mobilize, NATO planes may crowd into the same air space as Russian planes, creating dangerous and volatile situations. To avoid collisions, they may insist on no-fly zones (remember Libya no-fly zone that led to the destruction of the country?). NATO airforce is completely ineffectual compared to the Russian airforce in a combat situation. However, I’m afraid they may be very effective at interfering/getting in the way of Russia doing her job.

And should any countries, such as France or Germany, attempt to conduct their own independent policies, they will be sent reminders.

The biggest concern of mine is that they may be able to tie up Russia’s hands in Syria, like they did in Ukraine, creating a zone of permanent frozen conflict and preventing Russia from resolving it. This will tie up Russian resources. It is undoubtedly one of the goals.

Besides, US still wants to unseat Assad and they are peeved that Syrian ‘moderate’ opposition is meeting in Moscow, discussing peaceful elections, new constitution and power sharing with Assad. Syrian opposition started sharing intel on ISIL locations with Russia and joining Assad’s army to fight the Islamists. In other words, Moscow managed to achieve in two months what the US/West couldn’t (or rather wouldn’t) in years.

There is another consideration why US and their NATO vassals desperately need to orchestrate a return. US is losing its grip on the Middle East, including Iraq, where they still have troops. Iraq government they themselves had brought to power, had created a joint Russia-Iran-Iraq anti-ISIL center in Baghdad. Somehow, US didn’t notice that at first. But when Iraq president and parliament tried to ask Russia for help in bombing ISIL on Iraq territory, US had a hysterical response. My prediction was that US wouldn’t let Iraqis ask for Russian help (read more in ESR5: Syria Game Changer). Iraqis are frustrated with the fact that US is not even trying to fight ISIL. US has to put them in their place. Mobilizing NATO could indirectly serve this purpose.

Worst case scenario: should US/NATO leaders turn out to be complete maniacs (and from what I am seeing, they may be), this can generate a situation of no return, leading to the new World War.

I thought I’d publish this warning. In truth, I believe that Putin and Lavrov will be able to defuse the situation and to create a more cooperative solution for all. Unfortunately, these two are the only adults in the room, with Western ‘leaders’ being not up to the task. However, hopefully, the sense of self-preservation of the Europeans will be enough to keep them on the side of reason.

On another note, personal attacks are taking place on Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu and Sports Minister Vitaliy Mutko, together with the entire Russian sport. All these simultaneous attacks are designed to disorient, destabilize and tie up Russian resources, as well as to distract from real problems in the West, Middle East and Ukraine. I will talk about the latter attacks in the upcoming article.

[spooderman]

sorry, this has what to do with bitcoin?

[bryant.coleman]

Death toll is currently 160. It's going to rise soon enough.

The official death toll is 128, but some 80 to 90 people are in "critical" condition. Meanwhile, the most important developement today was the discovery of a Syrian passport from the dead body of one of the attackers. That means that at least some of the terrorists were Syrian ISIS members, or someone with a stolen Syrian passport.

[Nemo1024]

Death toll is currently 160. It's going to rise soon enough.

The official death toll is 128, but some 80 to 90 people are in "critical" condition. Meanwhile, the most important developement today was the discovery of a Syrian passport from the dead body of one of the attackers. That means that at least some of the terrorists were Syrian ISIS members, or someone with a stolen Syrian passport.

The Syrian passport does not mean much, really:

from the following article on the inflow of refugees and "refugees", Georji zotov Reported from Turkey:
http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/ohota_na_ray_kak_imenno_arabskie_bezhency_popadayut_v_evropu

The following fragment is interesting:

"Oppositionist Pack"

Now that the world's media attention has shifted to Russian air strikes in Syria, about a million refugees in the EU are somewhat forgotten. However, "the Arabic stream" still fills the surrounding countries, and more and more refugees saved from the cities overtaken by an "Islamic state" (a terrorist organization banned in Russia). Incidentally, the terrorists only encourage the "migration" . "They even provide busses - a teacher from Mosultold me. - Accompany with guards almost to the border. " Why ISIS suddenly become so good, is clear without explanation: among the "newcomers" almost half are with freshly shaven-off beards - that is, the potential militants. Turkish border territories are already under influence of the ISIS and the local guides were earning good money taking European volunteers to the terrorists. Now another business thrives here - false documents. While in September, a Syrian passport was worth $1,000, it is now easy to buy one even for $500. They also provide "an opposition package" - a photo of a ruined house in Syria and "evidence of the prosecution by the authorities": an attest of an arrest and a "stint" in prison.

[Balthazar]

http://ssmaker.ru/6aaed7d9/

 

[Nemo1024]

http://ssmaker.ru/6aaed7d9/

 

A translation for those of us less-versed in French, please.

[Balthazar]

- Charlie Hebdo haven't laughed so long after we have shot down that Russian plane in Sinai.
- Yep, let's give them a reason.

[conspirosphere.tk]

The Syrian passport does not mean much, really:

Indeed. It means just:

I always carry my passport with me when I go for suicide missions.  #Terrorism101

[bryant.coleman]

- Charlie Hebdo haven't laughed so long after we have shot down that Russian plane in Sinai.
- Yep, let's give them a reason.

Can we expect some distasteful cartoons from the Charlie Hebdo, like the ones which they published after the Sinai crash, mocking the victims? The ISIS targeted the wrong guys this time. They should have attacked the nut jobs of Charlie Hebdo. And meanwhile, the number of the refugees is edging towards the 1,000,000 mark:

[Lauda]

Can we expect some distasteful cartoons from the Charlie Hebdo, like the ones which they published after the Sinai crash, mocking the victims? The ISIS targeted the wrong guys this time. They should have attacked the nut jobs of Charlie Hebdo. And meanwhile, the number of the refugees is edging towards the 1,000,000 mark:

If the percentage of terrorists among them is only 0.01% you have 100 terrorists that have freely walked into the EU. People should not be wondering why these attacks are happening. They need to realize that this refugee nonsense needs to stop because it can only cause trouble nothing else.

[Tusk]

People forget, terrorism is a two sided equation. For society to dismantle it you have to address the elements on BOTH sides.

[bryant.coleman]

If the percentage of terrorists among them is only 0.01% you have 100 terrorists that have freely walked into the EU. People should not be wondering why these attacks are happening. They need to realize that this refugee nonsense needs to stop because it can only cause trouble nothing else.

As per the latest polls, 20% of the Syrian refugees in the EU are sympathetic towards the ISIS. That is much more than 0.01%. 

Merkel thought that by flooding the EU with Muslim immigrants, she will be left with a loyal vote-bloc and will be able to remain in power for the rest of her life. But it seems that she will be ousted even before the Muslims manage to get their voter IDs. The anti-immigrant mood is soaring in the EU. I was surprised at the latest opinion poll from Sweden:

http://www.electograph.com/2015/11/sweden-november-2015-sentio-poll.html

And Marine Le Pen is #1 in France right now:

http://www.electograph.com/2015/11/france-presidential-november-2015.html

[Tusk]

If europeans are worried about terrorism, they need to start looking for ways to resolve the issues at the source, the clusterfuck they instigated in the ME.

[criptix]

If europeans are worried about terrorism, they need to start looking for ways to resolve the issues at the source, the clusterfuck they instigated in the ME.

Why blame europe?
We are just working out the shit which the usa+lapdog uk produced.

[saddampbuh]

The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

[Tusk]

If europeans are worried about terrorism, they need to start looking for ways to resolve the issues at the source, the clusterfuck they instigated in the ME.

Why blame europe?
We are just working out the shit which the usa+lapdog uk produced.

Things don't happen in a vacuum, Go back in history and see the stepping stones to how we got into the cul-de-sac, Since WWII the West has sought to dictate how the ME will be divided geographically, who will rule it, and who will control its resources. A fairly bitter pill for any rational person living in the region to accept. Irrational circumstances inspires extremist behaviour.  

[bryant.coleman]

The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

Actually this should be expanded in to a new topic. This is very very significant. If this could be proven, then expect Angela Merkel's approval ratings to go down the drain. I will be more cautious though. None of the mainstream media sources are mentioning this. Right now I am watching RT, and they will be the first to report this if it could be confirmed.

[saddampbuh]

its real , confirmed on greek government site

[Lucius]

The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

In such a mass of people certainly is a lot of ISIL fighters who in a very easy way entering into all European countries.Just imagine that this what happened last night to become something that happens every day,and considering how many possible terrorists are already in the EU we can not hope anything good.

[galdur]

If europeans are worried about terrorism, they need to start looking for ways to resolve the issues at the source, the clusterfuck they instigated in the ME.

Why blame europe?
We are just working out the shit which the usa+lapdog uk produced.

Things don't happen in a vacuum, Go back in history and see the stepping stones to how we got into the cul-de-sac, Since WWII the West has sought to dictate how the ME will be divided geographically, who will rule it, and who will control its resources. A fairly bitter pill for any rational person living in the region to accept. Irrational circumstances inspires extremist behaviour.  

Well, it´s hardly our fault that all this oil happens to be under the feet of the muslims. They should have had the foresight to just be somewhere else.

[galdur]

And if those muslims resent being blown to smitherrens and having their resources stolen why don´t they go somewhere else...oh they are, Finally.

[Tusk]

Brilliantly put!

[vero]

The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

In such a mass of people certainly is a lot of ISIL fighters who in a very easy way entering into all European countries.Just imagine that this what happened last night to become something that happens every day,and considering how many possible terrorists are already in the EU we can not hope anything good.

"The big question on everyone's mind is: Were these attackers — if they turn out to be connected to one of the groups in Syria — were they homegrown terrorists or were they returning fighters?"
Now why do the European countries not pass a law that any person going to Syria to fight with ISIS or other terrorist groups automatically loses his host country citizenship. That way you do not have to accept returning battle trained citizens as they are in fact no longer citizens. And since Syria was their last country of origin they should be returned to Syria and flown to Latakia where Assad can deal with them. This tactic would cut back significantly on the number of people the security police would have to keep tabs on. Every little bit helps.

[Spendulus]

The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

In such a mass of people certainly is a lot of ISIL fighters who in a very easy way entering into all European countries.Just imagine that this what happened last night to become something that happens every day,and considering how many possible terrorists are already in the EU we can not hope anything good.

That is not so certain.  I thought the actions of ISIS, militarily, were pretty smart.  Take over oil wells and land and carve out a nation amidst weak middle eastern cultures.

I think it's really stupid to revert to Al Queda style terror bombings.  That will get them exterminated and yes it will get a lot of innocent civilians killed in the process.  Such is war.

They may have just jumped the shark.

[galdur]

French President Francois Hollande says the terror attacks on Paris were an “an act of war” and blamed Islamic State for the bloodshed.

Yeah, business has been  booming lately...more weapons deals with ISIS main sponsors...

----------------------

France: Saudi Arabia's New Arms Dealer

August 10, 2015

Influential members of the Saudi Arabian government believe that the United States—the kingdom’s most valuable strategic ally since 1945—has abandoned Riyadh on a host of regional issues, most notably Iran’s nuclear program. As the Saudis respond by seeking to enhance their political and economic relations with powers other than the United States, France sees an opportunity to supplant Washington as Riyadh’s closest ally. While it remains unlikely that Paris will entirely replace Washington as Saudi Arabia’s most important ally, France can compete with the United States to become the kingdom’s top supplier of advanced military technology in the future. ,,,

Although France’s economy barely maintains positive GDP growth rates, its arms industry is booming. As the world’s fourth largest arms exporter (behind the United States, Russia, and China), France sold nearly double the amount of arms in the first five months of 2015 (more than $16 billion) than in all of 2014. From 2010 to 2014, 38 percent of French arms exports went to the Middle East, making it the most important region for the country’s arms industry (30 percent went to Asia; 13 percent to Europe; 11 percent to North and South America; and four percent to Africa). France’s arms sales for the first half of 2015 created more than 30,000 jobs— significant for a country grappling with record high unemployment. ...

http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/france-saudi-arabias-new-arms-dealer-13533

[galdur]

When you shovel weapons into a war zone what the hell do you think happens? That universal peace will spontaneously break out in the region? Think you´ll be drowning in new friends? Right.

[Tusk]

If you come home and see two neighbours fighting, give them knives and weapons it will end well   

[galdur]

I saw Europe 1 in France claim that the terrorists were teenagers, 15-18. No idea if that´s correct and I lost the link somehow. If it´s true I doubt that you´ll see it mentioned much in the mass media.

Prosecutor Francois Molins: "We have to find out where they came from... and how they were financed"

Absolutely. To avoid the "mistakes" of others don´t repeat them.

Most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia which meant that U.S. lips smooched medieval Saudi fruitcake asses more than ever and every effort was made to avoid investigating the financing. It was ready-made villains from day one.

[WhatTheGox]

So, more idiots want to blow themselves up and take others lives.

No, it's not the Jews, Israel or the Mossad.  Or the "zionist" blah blah blah whatever.

Let's stop the misinformation and propaganda machines before they even starts up thread titles insinuating otherwise.

It seems very convenient that Isis has claimed responsibility for the attacks.

I dont really have much to say on the matter but as much as is it terrible people in france suffer people all over the world suffer daily.

[Nemo1024]

http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacked-police-hunt-accomplices-065411619.html

An interesting comment there, posted about 3 hours ago, if someone cares to scroll through them all:

I have known for months that something like this was in the making. These events were almost certainly organized and/or provocateured by one or more intelligence agencies. If you think that that's farfetched, do some research on "Operation Gladio". It included deadly terrorist bombings killing large numbers of people that were organized by NATO and the European secret services during the Cold War. Those atrocities were blamed on communists in order to reduce support of left-wing political options among the general public.
This time the goal is to provide propaganda for the NATO countries' neocolonial invasions and occupations of countries in the Mideast and North Africa that are rich in oil, gas and other resources. Russia's successful campaign in Syria is no doubt one of the factors that precipitated the execution of this plot.
If all of the Orwellian surveillance of the general public in western countries these days is being justified by the phony "War on Terror", then how did people who should have been top on the list of people being watched, manage to obtain the training and weapons needed to pull this off? The mercenary thugs known variously as ISIS, IS, and Al Qaeda, are the proxy army of the imperialists and warmongers. They are used to destabilize and create chaos in target countries that is cynically used to justify military interventions and the installation and/or support of puppet governments.
This whole program of endless war, profiteering and plunder goes directly back to the mother of all false flag operations - 9/11. That is why it is more urgent than ever to demand the real criminal investigation of that pivotal event before we're led once again like sheep into a world war. In today's world, with so much information available thanks to the internet, there is no more excuse for people to let their corrupt leaders manipulate them into supporting more war.

[spike420211]

U guys are aware that:
>Sharia law forbids gambling
>The arab world DOES NOT wanna replace petrodollars w/ BTC's
?

Just friggin' nuke Mecca already. JFC.

[Spendulus]

http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacked-police-hunt-accomplices-065411619.html

An interesting comment there, posted about 3 hours ago, if someone cares to scroll through them all:

I have known for months that something like this was in the making. These events were almost certainly organized and/or provocateured by one or more intelligence agencies.....
This whole program of endless war, profiteering and plunder goes directly back to the mother of all false flag operations - 9/11. ....

And there we go, more conspiracy theories....

[Wilikon]

'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe


AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe.


The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.

"Just wait," he smiled.

The Islamic State operative spoke exclusively to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity and is believed to be the first to confirm plans to infiltrate western countries.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees


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Troy. Euro scale.

[galdur]

http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacked-police-hunt-accomplices-065411619.html

An interesting comment there, posted about 3 hours ago, if someone cares to scroll through them all:

I have known for months that something like this was in the making. These events were almost certainly organized and/or provocateured by one or more intelligence agencies.....
This whole program of endless war, profiteering and plunder goes directly back to the mother of all false flag operations - 9/11. ....

And there we go, more conspiracy theories....

There is a conspiracy, no doubt about that, they didn´t appear there in Paris randomly. The official conspiracy theory so far seems to be that they are members of ISIS and conspired with others higher up there to carry out the attack. Pretty simple and straightforward. It may be so, I don´t know. It is true that usually these terrorist organizations are infiltrated by intelligence services. Much of the ISIS personnel in the Middle East is from France and Britain and other European countries. And actually from countries all over the world, the U.S. included.  It can go both ways; intelligence agents can go with others to the Middle East, terrorists can go with refugees back to Europe. There can be many possibilities. Who benefits? is usually the key question that those who prepare official conspiracy theories take care to avoid. Someone funds these operations the purpose is some kind of gain I presume.

[galdur]

Dead men tell no tales. This guy that they call so affectionately Jihadi John, perhaps beause he´s a buddy of theirs, was maybe killed the other day in Syria. A British citizen. They say he may be dead but U.S. officials say that they may never know for sure. Until in a few months when he pops up again. Maybe.  

[Nemo1024]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

My heart goes out to anyone who lost a family member in these horrific attacks, it does, but once again, history tells us to keep a watchful eye over what happens next. With details still sketchy at best, and the number of dead or injured being very fluid, one number I noticed in the video below was not fluid: President Hollande declared a state of emergency and mobilized 1,500 troops to patrol Paris streets. In the video, you’ll see an article that says “officials“ have the right to perform searches, and “military justice” may be enacted. I assume that means citizens can get ventilated if they aren’t fully cooperative, no questions asked… but who knows? Also in one article, Obama promises to do “whatever it takes” to bring the terrorists to justice. Hmmmm.

...

1.) How many gunmen? Already, the number of individuals involved in the Paris attacks is in question. While some reports suggested four shooters were involved, others suggested three. The majority of mainstream reports seem to be only acknowledging two shooters. So how many shooters were there? Two, three or four? One witness, Pierre Marie Bertin, a 36-year-old who was at the theater when the shooting began, stated that there were as many as four gunmen. Bertin described some male hostages who “went onto the balcony and tried to negotiate for the life of their wives with one of the guys [terrorists]. It was sickening.” Bertin recounted somewhat more detail than some other witnesses and was clear that there were as many as four gunmen. Australian news media is reporting that three gunmen have been killed.

This might seem inconsequential to many readers, but, in informed researching circles, it is well-known that the information that comes out shortly after the event is usually the most reliable. This is not to discount the existence of confusion related to panicked reports coming from eyewitnesses and the like. However, the information coming out early on has not yet been subjected to the top-down media revision that will inevitably take place as the story becomes molded to fit the narrative pushed by the individuals who either directed the attack at the higher levels or at least have connections with those who are able to control the manner in which various media outlets report the event. For instance, in times of false flag attacks, the initial reports may point to 5 gunmen. Very shortly after, reports may only mention two. Only a few hours after the attack, however, all references to more than one gunmen are removed entirely, with only the “lone gunman” story remaining. Any other mention of additional gunmen after this point is ridiculed as “conspiracy theory.”

2.) The types of weapons used – While some reports suggest that the attackers were using AK-47s, other reports are suggesting that shotguns were used. While the contradiction in reports can certainly be attributed to victims and witnesses simply not being aware of the type of weapons being used in the attacks and panic in the heat of the moment, there is none the less contradiction in the reports being issued. As of the time of the writing of this article there has been no clarification as to what type of weapons were used. Since the assailants were supposedly killed by police it should be clear what weapons they used.

3.) Were the gunmen killed or arrested? While the number of gunmen itself is in doubt, news reports coming from Fox and Sky are suggesting that a suspected gunmen was actually arrested. In fact, the suspect allegedly stated to police, “I am from ISIS” giving us all the information we need as for who is responsible for this attack.

4.) Gunmen connected to ISIS, gunmen connected to Syria – Along with the very convenient and immediate statement by an allegedly arrested suspect that he was from ISIS, we also have screams of a shooter that “This is for Syria!” This gives us all the information that we need regarding the motivation of the alleged attackers. They are from ISIS. They hate the French because the French are “attacking” ISIS and because somewhere in France in a very darkened corner, under the sofa, there are freedoms. ISIS hates freedoms. This is quite coincidental considering the fact that a Russian airliner was recently bombed, allegedly by ISIS – at least according to the West.

5.) The timing of the event – Aside from the obvious connotations derived from the attacks occurring on Friday the 13th, the Paris massacre has taken place shortly before a major climate summit that was set to take place in France. The French government was expecting massive protests they alleged could potentially become violent, by activists opposed to globalization and energy austerity. Interestingly enough, France had already planned to impose border controls starting on November 30th in anticipation of the U.N. Conference on Climate Change in Paris “because of the terrorist threat or risk of public disorder.” Needless to say, there will be no massive protest now considering the fact that 2015 France resembles the 1943 version of itself more than anything else.

6.) Security – Considering the fact that the security had been so heightened both on the heels of the Charlie Hebdo attacks and the anticipation of disorder for the U.N. Conference on Climate Change, how on earth did such a major terror attack slip through the hands of the DGSE? After all, France is nothing if not a police state. It is also giving the United States a run for its money in the contest for how much information it is able to nab up on its citizens. No doubt, we will be sold the line of “pre-civilized savages outsmarted first-world high end military surveillance states.”

7.) Drills – One hallmark of the false flag operation is the running of drills shortly before or during the actual attack. Many times, these drills will involve the actual sequence of events that takes place during the real life attack . These drills have been present on large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.

For instance, as Webster Tarpley documents in his book 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA, at least 46 drills were underway in the months leading up to 9/11 and on the morning of the attack. These 46 drills were all directly related to the events which took place on 9/11 in some way or other. Likewise, the 7/7 bombings in London were running drills of exactly the same scenario that was occurring at exactly the same times and locations.

Although one reason may take precedence over the other depending on the nature and purpose of the operation drills are used by false flag operators for at least two reasons. One such purpose is the creation of intentional confusion if the drill is taking place during the actual attack. The other, more effective aspect, however, is using the drill as a cloak to plan the attack or even “go live” when it comes time to launch the event. Even more so, it gives the individuals who are involved in the planning of the event an element of cover, especially with the military/intelligence agency’s tight chain of command structure and need-to-know basis. If a loyal military officer or intelligence agent stumbles upon the planning of the attack, that individual can always be told that what he has witnessed is nothing more than the planning of a training exercise. This deniability continues all the way through to the actual “going live” of the drill. After the completion of the false flag attack, Coincidence Theory is used to explain away the tragic results.

All of this must be considered, when one reads reports suggesting that the UK conducted counter-terrorism drills earlier this year that included scenarios that involved terror attacks in Paris similar to those that took place on the Charlie Hebdo massacre. As the reports surrounding the UK drills were released, a number 10 spokesman confirmed “it had been agreed that future exercises, which take place on a regular basis, should seek to learn from events in France.” David Cameron himself stated that there was  a need for police “to call on military help if there was a major emergency.”

8.) Charlie Hebdo – The recent Paris attacks were similar to the Charlie Hebdo massacre that occurred earlier this year. The Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation. Evidence for which can be seen in my article “15 Signs the Charlie Hebdo Attack Was a False Flag.” Thus, there exists a clear precedent for such attacks in France, albeit on a much larger scale

9.) Who controls ISIS? For many, claims that the attackers belong to ISIS is a deal breaker. For these individuals, ISIS is a shadowy terrorist organization that supports itself and has created a caliphate in eastern Syria and western Iraq that can scarcely be defeated (except when the Russians bomb it). However, the facts do not support such a shallow understanding of the ISIS terrorist organization. ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus for geopolitical purposes all across the world both at home and abroad. For this reason, the declaration that ISIS committed a terrorist attack in Paris is by no means a get-out-of-jail-free card for the western Intelligence apparatus. Instead, it is the trademark of their handiwork. Please see these articles for more information on the nature of ISIS: here, here, here and here.

Also.

http://goldenageofgaia.com/2015/11/14/wikipedia-full-coverage-paris-massacre-less-two-hours-event/

The massacre in Paris is reported to have occurred at 21:16 CET.

By 23:06 Wikipedia had an article up that is extremely detailed, containing statements from a former French President and a complete outline of events at several locations, matters that the press I read had not by then reported.

It piqued my interest that an article would be up on Wikipedia within two hours of the event happening. So I went there.

I began reading the current version of the article and then decided to read a much earlier version. I chose the 23:18 version for this article, not overly consciously. At that point I did not understand very much.

By the time I got myself organized here, I saw that the earliest versions of the article had just been erased from Wikipedia’s change record. Everything before 00:00 was erased from the record, preventing access to the originals of the story. That aroused my suspicions immediately.

(That list of deleted versions was gotten again by going to the user page of the person who wrote the article, known only by his number 82.45.236.70. The list appeared there and the articles proved linkable and recoverable. You can reach them, until they’re taken down, by clicking on the list given in Footnote 1.)

(Thanks to the reader who identified the IP address (82.45.236.70) as belonging to a block of addresses assigned to VirginMedia Consumer Broadband UK.)

...

[galdur]

Yeah yeah, the Ministry of Truth is always at the ready. 

[Spendulus]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

[galdur]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

Give it a rest.It isn´t working anymore. People have seen too many lies and scams from officialdom.

[BTCBinary]

it's unforgiveable. more than 100 inocent people lost their lives. It was set up by Islamic state fundamentalists, and they need to be stopped!

[galdur]

it's unforgiveable. more than 100 inocent people lost their lives. It was set up by Islamic state fundamentalists, and they need to be stopped!

It´s a little late now. They´ve had years to carve out their own country in the ruins of Iraq and Syria. And western powers created the perfect environment for them  in Lybia where they are  entrenched as well.

[Spendulus]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

Give it a rest.It isn´t working anymore. People have seen too many lies and scams from officialdom.

No.  I'm not even opposed to conspiracy theories.  I'm only opposed to asserting them without any proof or even without any evidence.   As is being done here.

[awesome31312]

I have a feeling that the backlash of these attacks will be so intense, that Muslims will not be able to show up on the streets of Paris without wearing a vest made out of Syrian/Saudi Arabian passport paper material

[vero]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

My heart goes out to anyone who lost a family member in these horrific attacks, it does, but once again, history tells us to keep a watchful eye over what happens next. With details still sketchy at best, and the number of dead or injured being very fluid, one number I noticed in the video below was not fluid: President Hollande declared a state of emergency and mobilized 1,500 troops to patrol Paris streets. In the video, you’ll see an article that says “officials“ have the right to perform searches, and “military justice” may be enacted. I assume that means citizens can get ventilated if they aren’t fully cooperative, no questions asked… but who knows? Also in one article, Obama promises to do “whatever it takes” to bring the terrorists to justice. Hmmmm.

...

1.) How many gunmen? Already, the number of individuals involved in the Paris attacks is in question. While some reports suggested four shooters were involved, others suggested three. The majority of mainstream reports seem to be only acknowledging two shooters. So how many shooters were there? Two, three or four? One witness, Pierre Marie Bertin, a 36-year-old who was at the theater when the shooting began, stated that there were as many as four gunmen. Bertin described some male hostages who “went onto the balcony and tried to negotiate for the life of their wives with one of the guys [terrorists]. It was sickening.” Bertin recounted somewhat more detail than some other witnesses and was clear that there were as many as four gunmen. Australian news media is reporting that three gunmen have been killed.

This might seem inconsequential to many readers, but, in informed researching circles, it is well-known that the information that comes out shortly after the event is usually the most reliable. This is not to discount the existence of confusion related to panicked reports coming from eyewitnesses and the like. However, the information coming out early on has not yet been subjected to the top-down media revision that will inevitably take place as the story becomes molded to fit the narrative pushed by the individuals who either directed the attack at the higher levels or at least have connections with those who are able to control the manner in which various media outlets report the event. For instance, in times of false flag attacks, the initial reports may point to 5 gunmen. Very shortly after, reports may only mention two. Only a few hours after the attack, however, all references to more than one gunmen are removed entirely, with only the “lone gunman” story remaining. Any other mention of additional gunmen after this point is ridiculed as “conspiracy theory.”

2.) The types of weapons used – While some reports suggest that the attackers were using AK-47s, other reports are suggesting that shotguns were used. While the contradiction in reports can certainly be attributed to victims and witnesses simply not being aware of the type of weapons being used in the attacks and panic in the heat of the moment, there is none the less contradiction in the reports being issued. As of the time of the writing of this article there has been no clarification as to what type of weapons were used. Since the assailants were supposedly killed by police it should be clear what weapons they used.

3.) Were the gunmen killed or arrested? While the number of gunmen itself is in doubt, news reports coming from Fox and Sky are suggesting that a suspected gunmen was actually arrested. In fact, the suspect allegedly stated to police, “I am from ISIS” giving us all the information we need as for who is responsible for this attack.

4.) Gunmen connected to ISIS, gunmen connected to Syria – Along with the very convenient and immediate statement by an allegedly arrested suspect that he was from ISIS, we also have screams of a shooter that “This is for Syria!” This gives us all the information that we need regarding the motivation of the alleged attackers. They are from ISIS. They hate the French because the French are “attacking” ISIS and because somewhere in France in a very darkened corner, under the sofa, there are freedoms. ISIS hates freedoms. This is quite coincidental considering the fact that a Russian airliner was recently bombed, allegedly by ISIS – at least according to the West.

5.) The timing of the event – Aside from the obvious connotations derived from the attacks occurring on Friday the 13th, the Paris massacre has taken place shortly before a major climate summit that was set to take place in France. The French government was expecting massive protests they alleged could potentially become violent, by activists opposed to globalization and energy austerity. Interestingly enough, France had already planned to impose border controls starting on November 30th in anticipation of the U.N. Conference on Climate Change in Paris “because of the terrorist threat or risk of public disorder.” Needless to say, there will be no massive protest now considering the fact that 2015 France resembles the 1943 version of itself more than anything else.

6.) Security – Considering the fact that the security had been so heightened both on the heels of the Charlie Hebdo attacks and the anticipation of disorder for the U.N. Conference on Climate Change, how on earth did such a major terror attack slip through the hands of the DGSE? After all, France is nothing if not a police state. It is also giving the United States a run for its money in the contest for how much information it is able to nab up on its citizens. No doubt, we will be sold the line of “pre-civilized savages outsmarted first-world high end military surveillance states.”

7.) Drills – One hallmark of the false flag operation is the running of drills shortly before or during the actual attack. Many times, these drills will involve the actual sequence of events that takes place during the real life attack . These drills have been present on large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.

For instance, as Webster Tarpley documents in his book 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA, at least 46 drills were underway in the months leading up to 9/11 and on the morning of the attack. These 46 drills were all directly related to the events which took place on 9/11 in some way or other. Likewise, the 7/7 bombings in London were running drills of exactly the same scenario that was occurring at exactly the same times and locations.

Although one reason may take precedence over the other depending on the nature and purpose of the operation drills are used by false flag operators for at least two reasons. One such purpose is the creation of intentional confusion if the drill is taking place during the actual attack. The other, more effective aspect, however, is using the drill as a cloak to plan the attack or even “go live” when it comes time to launch the event. Even more so, it gives the individuals who are involved in the planning of the event an element of cover, especially with the military/intelligence agency’s tight chain of command structure and need-to-know basis. If a loyal military officer or intelligence agent stumbles upon the planning of the attack, that individual can always be told that what he has witnessed is nothing more than the planning of a training exercise. This deniability continues all the way through to the actual “going live” of the drill. After the completion of the false flag attack, Coincidence Theory is used to explain away the tragic results.

All of this must be considered, when one reads reports suggesting that the UK conducted counter-terrorism drills earlier this year that included scenarios that involved terror attacks in Paris similar to those that took place on the Charlie Hebdo massacre. As the reports surrounding the UK drills were released, a number 10 spokesman confirmed “it had been agreed that future exercises, which take place on a regular basis, should seek to learn from events in France.” David Cameron himself stated that there was  a need for police “to call on military help if there was a major emergency.”

8.) Charlie Hebdo – The recent Paris attacks were similar to the Charlie Hebdo massacre that occurred earlier this year. The Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation. Evidence for which can be seen in my article “15 Signs the Charlie Hebdo Attack Was a False Flag.” Thus, there exists a clear precedent for such attacks in France, albeit on a much larger scale

9.) Who controls ISIS? For many, claims that the attackers belong to ISIS is a deal breaker. For these individuals, ISIS is a shadowy terrorist organization that supports itself and has created a caliphate in eastern Syria and western Iraq that can scarcely be defeated (except when the Russians bomb it). However, the facts do not support such a shallow understanding of the ISIS terrorist organization. ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus for geopolitical purposes all across the world both at home and abroad. For this reason, the declaration that ISIS committed a terrorist attack in Paris is by no means a get-out-of-jail-free card for the western Intelligence apparatus. Instead, it is the trademark of their handiwork. Please see these articles for more information on the nature of ISIS: here, here, here and here.

Also.

http://goldenageofgaia.com/2015/11/14/wikipedia-full-coverage-paris-massacre-less-two-hours-event/

The massacre in Paris is reported to have occurred at 21:16 CET.

By 23:06 Wikipedia had an article up that is extremely detailed, containing statements from a former French President and a complete outline of events at several locations, matters that the press I read had not by then reported.

It piqued my interest that an article would be up on Wikipedia within two hours of the event happening. So I went there.

I began reading the current version of the article and then decided to read a much earlier version. I chose the 23:18 version for this article, not overly consciously. At that point I did not understand very much.

By the time I got myself organized here, I saw that the earliest versions of the article had just been erased from Wikipedia’s change record. Everything before 00:00 was erased from the record, preventing access to the originals of the story. That aroused my suspicions immediately.

(That list of deleted versions was gotten again by going to the user page of the person who wrote the article, known only by his number 82.45.236.70. The list appeared there and the articles proved linkable and recoverable. You can reach them, until they’re taken down, by clicking on the list given in Footnote 1.)

(Thanks to the reader who identified the IP address (82.45.236.70) as belonging to a block of addresses assigned to VirginMedia Consumer Broadband UK.)

...

The short-term answer must be a violent one: We and our allies must do whatever it takes to reduce the ability of ISIS, al-Qaeda, etc., to hurt us. In the long run, however, we must focus on giving young people in the Middle East (and those who now live in the West) something to do other than to kill us. The median age in Egypt is something like 24. In Syria it is 21. In the Gaza strip, it is 17. The only thing those young people are being trained for now is to kill Israelis and westerners. We have to find a way to give them something better than what they are now getting from ISIS, Hamas, etc. If we don't we will all be living in a world like those in Paris have today.

[galdur]

The short-term answer must be a violent one: We and our allies must do whatever it takes to reduce the ability of ISIS, al-Qaeda, etc., to hurt us. In the long run, however, we must focus on giving young people in the Middle East (and those who now live in the West) something to do other than to kill us. The median age in Egypt is something like 24. In Syria it is 21. In the Gaza strip, it is 17. The only thing those young people are being trained for now is to kill Israelis and westerners. We have to find a way to give them something better than what they are now getting from ISIS, Hamas, etc. If we don't we will all be living in a world like those in Paris have today.

All right, all that 70 million young people are being trained for is killing Israelis and Westerners. Sure. Are you ####### out of your mind??

[Nemo1024]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

Give it a rest.It isn´t working anymore. People have seen too many lies and scams from officialdom.

No.  I'm not even opposed to conspiracy theories.  I'm only opposed to asserting them without any proof or even without any evidence.   As is being done here.

The evidence for 9/11 as a false flag has been laid out many times and from various angles.
ISIS as USNATO-funded organisation. Well, can you explain how ISIS is being able to sell oil on the cheap through Turkey (a NATO member) and the oil infrastructure used by ISIS is still intact, why US air force was so ineffectual in combating ISIS and why most of the hardware in possession of ISIS is USNATO supplied (Toyota-trucks come to mind for one). At best USNATO supports ISIS indirectly by looking the other way, at worst, by funding and training them (here comes the Congress hearing about the "opposition" trained by US instructors, that mysteriously went to serve ISIS after that)

The above article outlines several common markers - common for the previous known and suspected false flags operations (like implicating passports so conveniently being dropped). Yes, it's a theory, in the scientific sense, with more proof being accumulated to either support or debunk it.

[Balthazar]

Well, can you explain how ISIS is being able to sell oil on the cheap through Turkey (a NATO member) and the oil infrastructure used by ISIS is still intact

[galdur]

Well, can you explain how ISIS is being able to sell oil on the cheap through Turkey (a NATO member) and the oil infrastructure used by ISIS is still intact

Yeah, and his sister runs a medical facility getting wounded ISIS terrorists back on their feet. This shit is rotten to the core. Those murky terrorist connections here and there always are.

[galdur]

This al-Baghdadi guy the head honcho of ISIS was in U.S. custody in Iraq from 2005 to 2009. So was the head of the ISIS branch in Lybia that is trying to take over the ruins that NATO prepared for them there. The U.S. say they may have killed him the other day. Not sure if it´s the first time though.

It´s declassified material. I guess it was declassified after someone leaked it.

Before going to Libya, Zubaidi was a senior Islamic State operative in Iraq. Like Baghdadi, he spent time in a U.S. prison in Iraq after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-officials-leader-of-islamic-state-in-libya-believed-killed-in-us-airstrike/2015/11/14/b42cb714-8af0-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

[Spendulus]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

Give it a rest.It isn´t working anymore. People have seen too many lies and scams from officialdom.

No.  I'm not even opposed to conspiracy theories.  I'm only opposed to asserting them without any proof or even without any evidence.   As is being done here.

The evidence for 9/11 as a false flag has been laid out many times and from various angles.
ISIS as USNATO-funded organisation. Well, can you explain how ISIS is being able to sell oil on the cheap through Turkey (a NATO member) and the oil infrastructure used by ISIS is still intact, why US air force was so ineffectual in combating ISIS and why most of the hardware in possession of ISIS is USNATO supplied (Toyota-trucks come to mind for one). At best USNATO supports ISIS indirectly by looking the other way, at worst, by funding and training them (here comes the Congress hearing about the "opposition" trained by US instructors, that mysteriously went to serve ISIS after that)

The above article outlines several common markers - common for the previous known and suspected false flags operations (like implicating passports so conveniently being dropped). Yes, it's a theory, in the scientific sense, with more proof being accumulated to either support or debunk it.

Because they offer oil for sale, and people buy it? 

Because there are limits to what air power can do?

Because there were USNATO hardware on the ground that they took away from others?

You see, I don't need a Grand Theory to explain people acting in their own perceived best interest.

[galdur]

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/9-reasons-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-could-be-a-false-flag-event-2756906.html

...false flag attacks....

the false flag operation....

large scale false flags such as 9/11 as well as smaller scale attacks like the Aurora shooting.....

Charlie Hebdo attacks, however, were largely revealed as a false flag operation.....

ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus

Wheeee!!!!

Here come the Conspiracy Theories!

Give it a rest.It isn´t working anymore. People have seen too many lies and scams from officialdom.

No.  I'm not even opposed to conspiracy theories.  I'm only opposed to asserting them without any proof or even without any evidence.   As is being done here.

The evidence for 9/11 as a false flag has been laid out many times and from various angles.
ISIS as USNATO-funded organisation. Well, can you explain how ISIS is being able to sell oil on the cheap through Turkey (a NATO member) and the oil infrastructure used by ISIS is still intact, why US air force was so ineffectual in combating ISIS and why most of the hardware in possession of ISIS is USNATO supplied (Toyota-trucks come to mind for one). At best USNATO supports ISIS indirectly by looking the other way, at worst, by funding and training them (here comes the Congress hearing about the "opposition" trained by US instructors, that mysteriously went to serve ISIS after that)

The above article outlines several common markers - common for the previous known and suspected false flags operations (like implicating passports so conveniently being dropped). Yes, it's a theory, in the scientific sense, with more proof being accumulated to either support or debunk it.

Because they offer oil for sale, and people buy it?  

Because there are limits to what air power can do?

Because there were USNATO hardware on the ground that they took away from others?

You see, I don't need a Grand Theory to explain people acting in their own perceived best interest.

Let me fix that for you...

You see, I don't need any brain activity at all to explain people acting in their own perceived best interest. I watch experts explain extremely complex  subjects in 30 seconds on TV.

[galdur]

They "took away" over 2000 freakin Humvees from an American-"trained" force that outnumbered them 50 to 1. That force didn´t surrender, it left. Without the Humvees and enough other materiel for an army. At least 40 M1A1 main battle tanks, as well as small arms and ammunition, including 74,000 machine guns, and as many as 52 M198 howitzer mobile gun systems, this according to Reuters at the time. When I posted this info on my ISIS thread a few months ago this Spendulus guy was there saying, ah great so we have 2300 new targets now.

This was in 2014 in Mosul, for those who are forgetful, have short attention spans or don´t have much of a clue otherwise.

40 or more of those that has to have come in handy for ISIS...



Those howitzers seem really really useful

The M198 155mm howitzer is a towed field artillery piece of a split trail carriage design. The M198 is equipped with a double baffle muzzle brake and a variable length hydropneumatic recoil mechanism. The M198 is transported trail first, with the gun suspended over a single pair of traveling wheels. While deployed forward for firing and transportation, for storage, the gun can be rotated 180 degrees (over the trail).

[Spendulus]

They "took away" over 2000 freakin Humvees from an American-"trained" force that outnumbered them 50 to 1. That force didn´t surrender, it left. Without the Humvees and enough other materiel for an army. At least 40 M1A1 main battle tanks, as well as small arms and ammunition, including 74,000 machine guns, and as many as 52 M198 howitzer mobile gun systems, this according to Reuters at the time. When I posted this info on my ISIS thread a few months ago this Spendulus guy was there saying, ah great so we have 2300 new targets now.

This was in 2014 in Mosul, for those who are forgetful, have short attention spans or don´t have much of a clue otherwise.

40 or more of those that has to have come in handy for ISIS...



Those howitzers seem really really useful

The M198 155mm howitzer is a towed field artillery piece of a split trail carriage design. The M198 is equipped with a double baffle muzzle brake and a variable length hydropneumatic recoil mechanism. The M198 is transported trail first, with the gun suspended over a single pair of traveling wheels. While deployed forward for firing and transportation, for storage, the gun can be rotated 180 degrees (over the trail).

Thank Obama for those outcomes.  Not Bush.

[galdur]

Spendulus, presidents come and go but the Pentagon and the CIA remain essentially the same. Didn´t Obama even use the same Secretary of War as Bush initially, to ensure a smooth transition?

[galdur]

 But this was only one city and in 2014. The Pentagon of course happily replenished the losses and their allies in Iraq supplied much more for ISIS in other places they abandoned

leaving the stuff behind.

[InvoKing]

The French president :

He said he would table a bill to extend the state of emergency declared after the attacks for three months and would suggest changes to the constitution.
France's military campaign against IS in Iraq and Syria will also intensify.
....
Other measures he said would be pursued included:
5,000 extra police posts in the next two years and no new cuts in the defence budget
Making it easier to strip dual nationals of their French citizenship if they are convicted of a terrorist offence, as long as this did not render them stateless
Speeding up the deportation of foreigners who pose "a particularly grave threat to the security of the nation"
Pushing for greater European action against arms trafficking and greater penalties for it in France

Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34836439

[galdur]

Stock Prices of Weapons Manufacturers Soaring Since Paris Attack

Glenn Greenwald

Nov. 16 2015, 4:17 p.m.

The Paris attacks took place on Friday night. Since then, France’s president has vowed “war” on ISIS and today significantly escalated the country’s bombing campaign in Syria (France has been bombing ISIS in Iraq since last January, and began bombing them in Syria in September).

France’s largest arms manufacturer, Thales, is having an outstanding day, up almost 3%, even as the leading French index is down.

U.S. colleagues are having a stellar day as well.

[criptix]

Stock Prices of Weapons Manufacturers Soaring Since Paris Attack

Glenn Greenwald

Nov. 16 2015, 4:17 p.m.

The Paris attacks took place on Friday night. Since then, France’s president has vowed “war” on ISIS and today significantly escalated the country’s bombing campaign in Syria (France has been bombing ISIS in Iraq since last January, and began bombing them in Syria in September).

France’s largest arms manufacturer, Thales, is having an outstanding day, up almost 3%, even as the leading French index is down.

U.S. colleagues are having a stellar day as well.

BAE Systems, Cobham, Lockheed Martin and Rheinmetall are really happy too: +4-7%.

the train is moving, time to go long.

[Nemo1024]

Apropos what I wrote above...

https://www.rt.com/news/322305-isis-financed-40-countries/

During the summit, “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them,” Putin told the journalists.

Putin also spoke of the urgent need to curb the illegal oil trade by IS.

"I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products," he said.

“The motorcade of refueling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon," Putin added, comparing the convoy to gas and oil pipeline systems.

And Russia invites the West to join in the fight against terrorism:

Putin reiterated Russia’s readiness to support armed opposition in Syria in its efforts to fight Islamic State.

"Some armed opposition groups consider it possible to begin active operations against IS with Russia's support. And we are ready to provide such support from the air. If it happens it could become a good basis for the subsequent work on a political settlement,” he said.

“We really need support from the US, European nations, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran,” the president added.

Putin also disagreed with Western criticism of Russia’s actions in Syria, where the country has been carrying out a large-scale air campaign against Islamic State and other terror groups since September 30.

“It’s really difficult to criticize us,” he said, adding that Russia has repeatedly asked its foreign partners to provide data on terrorist targets in Syria.

“They’re afraid to inform us on the territories which we shouldn’t strike, fearing that it is precisely where we’ll strike; that we are going to cheat everybody,” the president said.

“Apparently, their opinion of us is based on their own concept of human decency,” he added.

Putin told the media that Russia has already established contact with the Syrian opposition, which has asked Moscow not carry out airstrikes in the territories it controls.

[zenitzz]

Latest update the people in the theater are being executed one by one. I pray to God that the band members from Palm Springs are conspiring to take these people out. Knock these terrorist bastards down with Klieg lights and monitors. Stab 'em with the neck of your guitars. Use the fire exstinguishers and smother in fire retardant these bastards or knock 'em over the head with them. Have any dry eyes, oh yea burns like hell. A music stand makes a great projectile. Take these sons of bitches out.

[Spendulus]

Spendulus, presidents come and go but the Pentagon and the CIA remain essentially the same. Didn´t Obama even use the same Secretary of War as Bush initially, to ensure a smooth transition?

Who says they "remain essentially the same."

I don't think you can support that.