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November 14, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
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150+ people lost their lives. May their soul RIP. Those terrorists should rot in hell.

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November 14, 2015, 12:28:49 PM
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France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.


I don't know what ISIS' strategy in Europe is, but if it includes radicalizing European Muslims, the above sentiment is exactly what they need to play up. To radicalize peaceful muslims, it helps ISIS to be as vile as they possibly can be, as long as they manage to link two things in people's minds: Atrocious violence and Islam.

As ISIS brutalities strenghten that connection, the population at large will increasingly start to blame muslims as a group instead of ISIS specifically for terrorist acts. This will put the nonviolent majority of muslims in a difficult position - they will find themselves either having to defend Islam and muslims as a group or trying to distance themselves from it as much as possible. The latter would be both distasteful or unacceptable to many of them and very difficult to do, anyway. The former has the effect of solidifying the idea that muslims are indeed a group, making it easier yet for ISIS to paint the whole muslim world black in the eyes of the west.

It's really a pretty awful situation. All ISIS need to do to drive a wedge between muslims and the rest of the population in the west is to be as inhuman as they possibly can be. The worse the publicity, the better. Muslims who previously were able to live their lives like everyone else will find themselves singled out and persecuted. ISIS' message of fighting for muslims as a whole can start to make a lot more sense in that situation.


As far as the EU goes, I expect the borders will start closing up soon enough. It won't be good, but none of the options available really seem to be. Public pressure will require swift action of some kind, and tightened border security seems like the easiest appeasing move. The trouble is, that will essentially put the pressure on the countries of first entry to EU, namely mediterranean countries and the Balkans, by the looks of it. These are largely not wealthy countries, and would likely not be able or even willing to handle the task of being Europes border security force.It's not hard to see, for example, the Golden Dawn, those Nazis, rising to prominence in a Greece forced to deal with legions of immigrants coming across the mediterranean.

With that in mind, the rest of EU countries would pretty much have to agree to help. This seems like a straight path to an EU armed forces to me, tasked with both maintaining border security and participating in pacification missions in Middle-Eastern and African crisis countries. I'm not sure what action exactly they'd end up taking, but shoring up the southern (and eastern?) border of Turkey seems like a strong option as well.

All in all, a very nasty mess. I don't see any policy decisions being made that would get us all out of this cleanly.

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November 14, 2015, 12:36:40 PM
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150+ people lost their lives. May their soul RIP. Those terrorists should rot in hell.
They will, don't worry about that. Killing innocent people isn't allowed in any religion under any circumstances and no matter what excuses thoses terrorists gives.
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November 14, 2015, 12:45:53 PM
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French ISIS members did these attacks, no surprise. The real question is WHO FUND ISIS? They didn't come out of nowhere. Some powers feed these and create monsters.
This is France's 9-11, it's the excuse for Middle East war. US did the same, we already know the game plan.
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November 14, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
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I read French, and French media say the terrorists were speaking French. That doesn't surprise me. France has a huge number of Arabs who immigrated 30 or 50 years ago. Their children are officially French, with French IDs but they have foreign minds. They just don't belong to their birthplace.

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November 14, 2015, 01:35:22 PM
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Introspection can be a bliss. We western people did some harmfull things too and we learned. Now upcoming countries in africa and asia are doing the same.

Fight hate with hate is not solution, certainly with some nukes on the black market.

People who learn form their mistakes, don't make them... again

Terrorist is a fancy word for nobody's. Students who shoot fellow students, rapist and criminals are not called terrorist.. that's weird, because they are atheist/christians..?

Let's face it, there a lot of nobody's in this planet, question is everytime they do an act of stupidity should we kill their family, relatives and friends too?

Bullshit.  Blame the victim crap.

If one percent of the people in the vicinity of these attacks had concealed carry, this tragedy could not have occurred to the extent it did.  



Really? Doesn't seem to stop school shooters very well. I don't think the answer to solving attacks like this is more guns around and gunfights on the streets. You can never prevent these things from happening.

France is under siege by islamic terrorists.THIS is what happens when waves of able bodied so called migrants are allowed to invade Europe. STOP these insurgents immediately. whats not to understand about closing borders?France has just closed its borders and military are on the streets. Vive La France. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.


Lol. Is it immigrants or Muslims that do all the shootings in the States? This silly argument just suits your racist agenda. No matter how closed or restricted your borders are it isn't going to stop attacks and isn't going to stop existing citizens carrying them out nor will it stop white supremacist nutters doing them.

Unfortunately you have responded to a serious problem discussion with a sort of handwaving and bubbly nothingness.

One percent of a population armed would mean that in any case where an active shooter attacks, he would encounter bullets coming his way.  Then ENTIRE STRATEGY of these moron soldiers of death is to do their dirty deed before the police arrive.  Read that - before guns arrive.

As for who does shootings in the US, this is a mis direction.  And "racist agenda" indicates ad hominem argument.  That doesn't advance the discussion and doesn't move your argument anywhere but rebutted.

What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.

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November 14, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
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Why Paris, again? I understand why terrorists did the shooting at Charlie Hebdo last time. But why Paris this time?
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November 14, 2015, 01:51:47 PM
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What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.
Wait we don't know exactly what is the real identities of thoses terrorists, assuming they are (hiding between) migrants then what you just said could be correct. But they could be a native French citizens that they got their brain washed...

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November 14, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
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What a joke.  The Soros/pseudo liberal dream of open borders just died, and for good cause.  So why bother to defend it?  It's over, dude.
Wait we don't know exactly what is the real identities of thoses terrorists, assuming they are (hiding between) migrants then what you just said could be correct. But they could be a native French citizens that they got their brain washed...

Could be.  But it doesn't matter, does it?  The actions of these radicals has killed any further fantasy of the wonders of open immigration.

That's the big effect of the Paris attacks.  That's just what it is.
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November 14, 2015, 01:59:37 PM
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Hi guys, first as a French living in Paris i appreciate your concerns and ind words.

But please don't confuse everything, of what i read you're all suggesting two things: let the people carry weapons and get immigrants out.

On the first one i'll say that i'm pretty sure armed population would even be more dangerous on a terorist attack. Lot's of people didn't really understand what happened, some citizens fought others thinking they were part of the attack. It was a very unclear situation, i'm sure that if people were allowed to have guns, people would have killed more innocents than terrorists. Everyone was afraid and confused, you do reaaaaaaally stupid things when you're afraid.
And most of the damages were done by bombs and the first shots at Bataclan (the place where half victims were). Armed people wouldn't have done shit because they openned the gates of the room where the concert took place, screamed and shot in the public. They killed nearly 50 persons in just a few seconds, nobody would have reacted fast enough to stop them.

So no, we don't have guns and we don't want some thanks.

And for the immigrants... I'm not saying it has no importance, but people saying we should close the borders are stupid. France is huge, and so is Europe, terrorists are maybe hiding in the refugees groups but it doesn't matter, we just can't control our borders. Dozens of thousands of Mexican goes trough the USA borders and it's the fucing biggest and most secured border in the world! How do you want to control European borders??? You just can't. In France only it's 4 000 km of ground borders, and i'm not talking about the seas or the ocean...

It's terrible but sadly enough you can't really defend yourself. Which doesn't mean you can't attack though...

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November 14, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
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When I read the first reports about the bombing and shooting in Paris yeasterday, my first thought was: another false flag operation, like Charlie Hebdo, but on a larger scale. It seems to be tied in with the bombing of the Russian passenger plane over Sinai too.

Today, I read a summary report from Lada Ray. She is usually pretty accurate on spotting the interconnections between various seemingly unrelated events on the world politics stage. She is usually moderately optimistic. This report, however, is her most pessimistic by far...

Perfect Storm? Will NATO mobilize in Wake of Paris Attacks?
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/perfect-storm-will-nato-mobilize-in-wake-of-paris-attacks/

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First of all, RIP all the victims and deepest condolences to their families.

Unfortunately, the Paris events are a direct and easily predictable consequence of the NATO/US/West’s actions and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, as well as elsewhere in the Middle East. ISIL (aka, Daesh or ISIS) is staffed in big part by former Saddam Hussein’s officers, who are Sunnis and who had been dismissed by the US after they took over Iraq. The rest of ISIL is formed from the armed opposition left over after Libya was destroyed by NATO (including French) strikes, parts of Al Qaeda, as well and other Islamist rebels financed by US, Saudis and Qatar.

Also, I never had the chance to officially say RIP to the 224 victims of the Russian Kogalymavia Airbus320 flight from Sinai, Egypt. Our most sincere condolences to the families of all victims.

I have some serious intel about who benefitted from blowing up the Russian Airbus320 in Sinai. An article is coming when I get a spare moment.

The attacks in Paris and the Russian Egypt flight catastrophe are directly related to Syria, Assad and Russia’s successful anti-ISIL operation.

France has declared a state of emergency, closed down the airport and borders. This may signal the turnaround in the EU’s policy of open borders. This also may signal a turnaround of the EU policies towards refugees that are flooding Europe.

The attacks in Paris, already blamed on ISIL and refugees, may trigger a tough response from the French government. The closure of other EU countries’ borders is also possible.

The most worrisome is that if it is classified as an attack on one of the NATO members, this may become the signal for NATO mobilization. We all know how much criticism NATO has drawn in recent years, some calling for its disbanding as an organisation that has outlived its usefulness. This is a perfect storm for NATO. Such situation may confirm their usefulness and provide justification for their existence. It appears that there is already a groundwork for such NATO mobilization being prepared by MSM and Obama.

Considering the above, the attacks in Paris may have been a false flag designed to provoke NATO mobilization. The attack on the Russian Airbus320 in Egypt may have been orchestrated for the same purpose, among others: to make NATO countries agree to mobilization and intensification of bombings of ISIL in Syria and Iraq.

These things are often designed to be multi-prong. This may have also been a warning to Hollande to toe the line.  At the time of the attacks Hollande was at the stadium watching a match in close proximity to the explosions. Another thing that strikes me is that the match was between France and Germany. This effectively means that the warning was a hint to Germany to toe the line as well.

A similar warning took place previously when German plane Germanwings crashed in France. This happened immediately after Hollande and Merkel dared to defy the US in how they approached the Ukraine crisis, working with Russia on trying to stop war in Donbass. It also has to be noted that Russian plane blown up over Sinai was of the French manufacturer Airbus.

This effectively means the following:

After Russia’s successful bombing campaign in Syria, it was proven how ineffective (or how corrupt) the US/West’s bombings were. Thanks to Russian air support, Syrian army is now advancing on four directions at the same time, having gained control over half of the territory previously controlled by ISIL, with attack on their capital planned in the near future. Such miraculous turnaround was absolutely impossible to imagine just a few short weeks ago, before Russians went to Syria.

If it keeps up, Syria will be ISIL-free in a few months. I wrote in Earth Shift Report 5: SYRIA GAME CHANGER that Russian jets would squeeze out US and NATO airforce planes out of Syrian airspace because they wouldn’t risk colliding directly with the Russians. And it has happened in the exact way predicted.

All Russia needs is for the US and West to get out of the way and let them do their job. This seemingly started happening with Obama/Kerry changing their rhetoric, talking negotiations and intel sharing. However, I fear that one thing is being said to Lavrov’s face and something entirely different behind the closed doors. I never thought that US/NATO/Pentagon would just accept the humiliation of being outplayed and sidetracked in Syria. They would do everything in their power to make Russia’s job as difficult as possible.

This possibility could arise out of Paris attacks. If NATO countries mobilize, NATO planes may crowd into the same air space as Russian planes, creating dangerous and volatile situations. To avoid collisions, they may insist on no-fly zones (remember Libya no-fly zone that led to the destruction of the country?). NATO airforce is completely ineffectual compared to the Russian airforce in a combat situation. However, I’m afraid they may be very effective at interfering/getting in the way of Russia doing her job.

And should any countries, such as France or Germany, attempt to conduct their own independent policies, they will be sent reminders.

The biggest concern of mine is that they may be able to tie up Russia’s hands in Syria, like they did in Ukraine, creating a zone of permanent frozen conflict and preventing Russia from resolving it. This will tie up Russian resources. It is undoubtedly one of the goals.

Besides, US still wants to unseat Assad and they are peeved that Syrian ‘moderate’ opposition is meeting in Moscow, discussing peaceful elections, new constitution and power sharing with Assad. Syrian opposition started sharing intel on ISIL locations with Russia and joining Assad’s army to fight the Islamists. In other words, Moscow managed to achieve in two months what the US/West couldn’t (or rather wouldn’t) in years.

There is another consideration why US and their NATO vassals desperately need to orchestrate a return. US is losing its grip on the Middle East, including Iraq, where they still have troops. Iraq government they themselves had brought to power, had created a joint Russia-Iran-Iraq anti-ISIL center in Baghdad. Somehow, US didn’t notice that at first. But when Iraq president and parliament tried to ask Russia for help in bombing ISIL on Iraq territory, US had a hysterical response. My prediction was that US wouldn’t let Iraqis ask for Russian help (read more in ESR5: Syria Game Changer). Iraqis are frustrated with the fact that US is not even trying to fight ISIL. US has to put them in their place. Mobilizing NATO could indirectly serve this purpose.

Worst case scenario: should US/NATO leaders turn out to be complete maniacs (and from what I am seeing, they may be), this can generate a situation of no return, leading to the new World War.

I thought I’d publish this warning. In truth, I believe that Putin and Lavrov will be able to defuse the situation and to create a more cooperative solution for all. Unfortunately, these two are the only adults in the room, with Western ‘leaders’ being not up to the task. However, hopefully, the sense of self-preservation of the Europeans will be enough to keep them on the side of reason.

On another note, personal attacks are taking place on Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu and Sports Minister Vitaliy Mutko, together with the entire Russian sport. All these simultaneous attacks are designed to disorient, destabilize and tie up Russian resources, as well as to distract from real problems in the West, Middle East and Ukraine. I will talk about the latter attacks in the upcoming article.

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November 14, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
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sorry, this has what to do with bitcoin?

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November 14, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
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Death toll is currently 160. It's going to rise soon enough.

The official death toll is 128, but some 80 to 90 people are in "critical" condition. Meanwhile, the most important developement today was the discovery of a Syrian passport from the dead body of one of the attackers. That means that at least some of the terrorists were Syrian ISIS members, or someone with a stolen Syrian passport.
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November 14, 2015, 03:12:59 PM
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Death toll is currently 160. It's going to rise soon enough.

The official death toll is 128, but some 80 to 90 people are in "critical" condition. Meanwhile, the most important developement today was the discovery of a Syrian passport from the dead body of one of the attackers. That means that at least some of the terrorists were Syrian ISIS members, or someone with a stolen Syrian passport.

The Syrian passport does not mean much, really:

from the following article on the inflow of refugees and "refugees", Georji zotov Reported from Turkey:
http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/ohota_na_ray_kak_imenno_arabskie_bezhency_popadayut_v_evropu

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"Oppositionist Pack"

Now that the world's media attention has shifted to Russian air strikes in Syria, about a million refugees in the EU are somewhat forgotten. However, "the Arabic stream" still fills the surrounding countries, and more and more refugees saved from the cities overtaken by an "Islamic state" (a terrorist organization banned in Russia). Incidentally, the terrorists only encourage the "migration" . "They even provide busses - a teacher from Mosultold me. - Accompany with guards almost to the border. " Why ISIS suddenly become so good, is clear without explanation: among the "newcomers" almost half are with freshly shaven-off beards - that is, the potential militants. Turkish border territories are already under influence of the ISIS and the local guides were earning good money taking European volunteers to the terrorists. Now another business thrives here - false documents. While in September, a Syrian passport was worth $1,000, it is now easy to buy one even for $500. They also provide "an opposition package" - a photo of a ruined house in Syria and "evidence of the prosecution by the authorities": an attest of an arrest and a "stint" in prison.

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A translation for those of us less-versed in French, please.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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November 14, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
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- Charlie Hebdo haven't laughed so long after we have shot down that Russian plane in Sinai.
- Yep, let's give them a reason.
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November 14, 2015, 03:23:15 PM
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The Syrian passport does not mean much, really:

Indeed. It means just:
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November 14, 2015, 03:34:00 PM
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- Charlie Hebdo haven't laughed so long after we have shot down that Russian plane in Sinai.
- Yep, let's give them a reason.

Can we expect some distasteful cartoons from the Charlie Hebdo, like the ones which they published after the Sinai crash, mocking the victims? The ISIS targeted the wrong guys this time. They should have attacked the nut jobs of Charlie Hebdo. And meanwhile, the number of the refugees is edging towards the 1,000,000 mark:

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November 14, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
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Can we expect some distasteful cartoons from the Charlie Hebdo, like the ones which they published after the Sinai crash, mocking the victims? The ISIS targeted the wrong guys this time. They should have attacked the nut jobs of Charlie Hebdo. And meanwhile, the number of the refugees is edging towards the 1,000,000 mark:
If the percentage of terrorists among them is only 0.01% you have 100 terrorists that have freely walked into the EU. People should not be wondering why these attacks are happening. They need to realize that this refugee nonsense needs to stop because it can only cause trouble nothing else.

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