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I have clearly and repeatedly asked him to please explain why his Bitstones operation is actually 100% legitimate and legal instead of a likely confidence scam. If you disagree, by all means, stock up dem ScamBones! Dr Kiefs Be Handins Out dem Sivva Bar Soon™ Bitstonahs! Ya!
This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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Who isn't interested in buying Silver and Gold for 10% below spot? If it were real, your holdings would go up on an exponential curve limited mostly by transit time of your deliveries (wherein you would sell them for ~2% under spot and pocket the difference to buy more ScamBones and order more Silver&Gold. At some point you would pretty much own the entire universe with this model. I was intrigued by this prospect, so I decided to see what this magical plan consists of. My conclusion is that his model would require a "Mystical Gold & Silver Shitter" of some type to work, and also that he most likely does not have this Magic Mystical Silver & Gold Shitter (read: Amber Mines ala Gemcoin) that allows his stated model to work. I have studied what Dr. Keith Harville has presented as a legitimate investment vehicle and my conclusion is that it appears to be a simple carney scam gone Crypto. I have clearly and repeatedly asked him to please explain why his Bitstones operation is actually 100% legitimate and legal instead of a likely confidence scam. If you disagree, by all means, stock up dem ScamBones! Dr Kiefs Be Handins Out dem Sivva Bar Soon™ Bitstonahs! Ya! You mean to tell me that magic isn't for real? Now I have to reexamine my impression that Bewitched was a reality TV show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnkHf069fvA
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I think you guys are taking this way too far.
Proof of shipping/delivery en route has been shown of the items for sale.
The most reputable Escrow on this forum has agreed to take on services as escrow, and decided to be paid in silver. If he were to be paid in DOGE would that be any different?
People barter for services in business every day. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that and should not be seen as anything but an agreement of payment. Do you think OgNasty wouldn't have thought that through?
He has the most to lose, and if he's comfortable with being the escrow, then I am comfortable using his services as I and thousands of others have done before.
You made that up. No where is it stated that the escrow decided to be paid in silver. A pure fabrication on your part. It is a gift and the deposit of the BTC is to cover the escrow fees. Twice now it is stated thusly: "Who is this escrow?
Well, I will let this person introduce himself shortly.
Many people want the Silver Kilo Bars, and it so happens that our escrow agent wants one as well...so we are sending him one to review and to keep as a gift"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1250043.msg13163756#msg13163756 "On top of the 5 BTC, we have sent Og a Silver Kilo Bar as a gift."https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1250043.msg13145090#msg13145090Secondly "proof of shipment" of what exactly? Pretend to customers even though the shipping date is before the escrow announcement. Or proof of shipping of something to the scheme owner here? Wherein he calls it simply "Customer Appreciation goods" "Hello Community,
Quick update on Customer Appreciation goods currently in transit."https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1250043.msg13163259#msg13163259He's muddling things up to make it look like the operation is a-go, goods being shipped out, escrow in place. You chiming in that the escrow "and decided to be paid in silver." which is a lie. You kids are fucking around. Bad news for you is I did not have real interest in any of this bullshit other than come over after being swamped by a couple of lunatics on the Gaw thread, did a quick cursory read here and sticking out like a sore thumb are these multitudes of inconsistencies. Now I have bookmarked this thread.
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This whole thing is just absurd. Did anyone read the terms of escrow. Release of payment is against receipt (signing receipt) of goods. Nothing else. Door knocks there is Mr UPS man. You sign his wireless terminal, transmits electronically that the goods have been delivered even before your close your front door. You rush in side with heavy box of treasure, neatly lay it down on that cheap veneer coffee table of yours, open it up and ... its a box of bricks. Now what? Here you weird weird people, you can buy the same shitty branded silver bars for wait for it only 0.89 over spot. At least you have recourse if you really really want this crappy brand. http://www.jmbullion.com/1-kilo-rmc-silver-bar/Better still the conjob is in the shipping, I will let ebay explain it to you: Don't Be Fooled by the Shipping Trap
When buying from anyone other than a local dealer, shipping charges become an issue. When researching prices, it is important that consumers pay close attention to shipping charges, as some dealers list their silver products at what seem like low prices, then charge an extravagant amount for shipping. Be sure to include shipping in the total price per ounce when making comparisons, as a 20-coin tube with a shipping charge that is $15.00 higher ultimately costs $0.75 per ounce more. For obvious reasons, dealer comparison tables do not take this into consideration. http://www.ebay.com/gds/Dos-and-Donts-of-Buying-a-Silver-Bar-/10000000177744575/g.htmlOf course now shipping will be included now that it has been pointed out. This so-called seller provides zero terms and conditions and explains what is for sale and how and what and where the so-called discounts apply. It's just some made up name on a forum with a with an unfinished website containing poached names and qualifications saying send me your money and I will send you this. Don't worry an OG from this forum will act as escrow. Once you signed for the package I get my monies. Haven't you people learned anything?
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I like the idea. So here it is. I will purchase 8,000 bst from the exchange and give it to the first person that provides the info about suchmoon and/or Paul Revere.
I will give 20,000 bst that i purchase from the exchange for the info on both. I will first put up a wall at a designated number on the exchange and then proceed to purchase the required amount, while they are being purchased I will leave them on the exchange so that people can verify they are in fact being purchased.
The person that has the info can use any reliable escrow they want and I will transfer the BST to the escrow. Once the info is passed to me I will be allowed 48 hours to verify it before escrow can release the BST. If it does not check out then escrow can proceed with giving the submitting person time to prove that it is.
It must be undeniable proof of the info.
Mods- I am not asking for any info that is not publicly available and I am not endorsing any type of criminal activity
So you are giving a bounty to DOX suchmoon and PaulRevere? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? I thought that wasn't allowed on the forum?? Side note: seeing the raging BS from the few sock puppet accounts is enjoyable. You do realize that people are gonna read this thread and run for the hills, correct? I've never seen such simple questions be skated around so much in my entire life. Instead of attacking the person who asked the question why don't you just answer it?
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If not then you are not a potential customer, and you are not being solicited, and probably why you are on his ignore list.
Are you saying if I buy BST and become a customer then "Kieth" will start paying more attention to "customer concerns" as opposed to just questions from the general public? I find it extremely hard to believe but I'm open to doing an experiment. How much do you think I should buy?
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If not then you are not a potential customer, and you are not being solicited, and probably why you are on his ignore list.
Are you saying if I buy BST and become a customer then "Kieth" will start paying more attention to "customer concerns" as opposed to just questions from the general public? I find it extremely hard to believe but I'm open to doing an experiment. How much do you think I should buy? Whatever the threshold to be a felony where you are if the Bitstone operation turns out to be a fraud scheme sounds like a good amount. Your Doxx payment should cover it and then some.
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All of my posts are simply statements of my own personal opinions based on available information and pondering what might be possible considering human nature, with the goal of finding truth and preventing fraud. Please look at all of the facts and theories and put your thinking cap on to draw your own conclusions. If you feel that I have made a false statement or have been unnecessarily derogatory, I encourage you to please point it out, and if proven correct and/or reasonable I will remedy it. ~ Paul Revere
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I like the idea. So here it is. I will purchase 8,000 bst from the exchange and give it to the first person that provides the info about suchmoon and/or Paul Revere.
I will give 20,000 bst that i purchase from the exchange for the info on both. I will first put up a wall at a designated number on the exchange and then proceed to purchase the required amount, while they are being purchased I will leave them on the exchange so that people can verify they are in fact being purchased.
The person that has the info can use any reliable escrow they want and I will transfer the BST to the escrow. Once the info is passed to me I will be allowed 48 hours to verify it before escrow can release the BST. If it does not check out then escrow can proceed with giving the submitting person time to prove that it is.
It must be undeniable proof of the info.
Mods- I am not asking for any info that is not publicly available and I am not endorsing any type of criminal activity
So you are giving a bounty to DOX suchmoon and PaulRevere? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? I thought that wasn't allowed on the forum?? Side note: seeing the raging BS from the few sock puppet accounts is enjoyable. You do realize that people are gonna read this thread and run for the hills, correct? I've never seen such simple questions be skated around so much in my entire life. Instead of attacking the person who asked the question why don't you just answer it? I think the point is that they are doing their best to AVOID paying out that bounty, moving goal posts and all. AFAIK doxing on Bitcointalk is not against rules as long as the information is obtained from publicly available sources but that's a moot point in this case. The intent is to scare opponents off.
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December 06, 2015, 10:28:10 PM |
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Are you scared suchmoon? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) (I highly doubt it.)
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Are you scared suchmoon? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) (I highly doubt it.) Trembling in my size 9 boots... oops I may have accidentally disclosed personally identifiable information.
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This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I reached out to them because I saw the post about buying a bar below spot price and I was interested in purchasing one for myself. I then saw that people were having concerns about an escrow, so I thought I would get involved to allow people to safely take advantage of their offer. My intent is to protect buyers of their products. If there are doubts about them, you would think my services would be particularly beneficial.
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This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I reached out to them because I saw the post about buying a bar below spot price and I was interested in purchasing one for myself. I then saw that people were having concerns about an escrow, so I thought I would get involved to allow people to safely take advantage of their offer. My intent is to protect buyers of their products. If there are doubts about them, you would think my services would be particularly beneficial. That's all fine and dandy. For your sake, I hope they aren't going to abuse your gravitas, and make you a part of their confidence scam. Be careful dude. You're about as OG as they come around here, and this causes me to raise an eyebrow ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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December 07, 2015, 07:50:11 AM |
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This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I reached out to them because I saw the post about buying a bar below spot price and I was interested in purchasing one for myself. I then saw that people were having concerns about an escrow, so I thought I would get involved to allow people to safely take advantage of their offer. My intent is to protect buyers of their products. If there are doubts about them, you would think my services would be particularly beneficial. Thanks for getting involved in this project. I hope it goes as planned, and with you as the escrow, I don't think people would be as concerned otherwise. You have definitely earned your trust here for as long as I can remember Just jealous that you got dibs on that first kilo bar ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . Thanks!
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December 07, 2015, 07:58:11 AM |
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This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I reached out to them because I saw the post about buying a bar below spot price and I was interested in purchasing one for myself. I then saw that people were having concerns about an escrow, so I thought I would get involved to allow people to safely take advantage of their offer. My intent is to protect buyers of their products. If there are doubts about them, you would think my services would be particularly beneficial. Thanks for your support OgNasty. BitStoneDev
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Hello Community, As we stated in previous comments, the BitStone Team planned to host miners on a BTC mining pool of our choice to contribute to a forever going means of buy support. This is beneficial for many reasons. These miners will take care of the 1% a month POS inflation along with continuous buy pressure as we set up support with the miners earnings on a day to day basis. Yes, that is correct. The BitStone Team will post a daily update from what are Avalon 6 Miners are producing on a day to day basis, then use that BTC to fill the buy books on the exchange. We feel over time the $30-$40 in BTC the 13TH +/- in Avalons mine per day will be a great benefit to the long term price stability we planned to have for BST. Few shots of our miners in action on BitMinter as of right now: See them for yourself as our worker name is "BitStoneFund" https://bitminter.com/livestats/big We also want to let the community know that we will be honoring a Holidays Savings Price Break for all BitStone Store Inventory. For the rest of year we will be offering even more savings on our inventory and you can count on seeing more value given to the BitStone currency regardless of market price on exchanges. Yes, that is right....more details on this soon. Long day ahead of us tomorrow and will be signing off tonight. Thanks, BitStoneDev
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It appears that Bitstonedev has missed this post, or perhaps has put me on ignore for asking questions about Bitstone. Therefore, I will quote this post here in an effort to get Bitstonedev aka Whocarez aka Dr. Keith Harville aka Keith Harville MD aka Kieth Harville aka Dr. Kieth Harville aka Kieth Harville MD 's attention. Since Dr, Keith Harville does not want to respond and explain the actual business model for Bitstones, I will also kindly ask the other Bitstone Team partners Van Mcminn of Van McMinn Jewelry Appraisers of Nashville, TN or Lou Britton of Auris Nobel Fairlawn, OH or even Rich Territo, if he is an actual real person. I will kindly thank whomever decides to respond to my questions concerning the validity of the Bitstone claims in advance, Thank You. Hello Community, Quick update on Customer Appreciation goods currently in transit. https://i.imgur.com/3e7IbmP.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/jK7dGRZ.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/w4wrjeI.pngSo as you can all see we have multiple packages on the way and they should be in our hands and marked with prices shortly. Escrow has also been solidified and the Escrow Agent will post the conformation of this shortly. Escrow even has a 5 BTC reserve as a backup fund for his protection and yours - the community - After Escrow Agent makes his announcement, I will post the transaction posted on the blockchain showing this backup 5 btc reserve that was sent to this Escrow Agents PUBLIC ADDRESS. Yes, this is going to be real deal....no games are going to be played here and customers will ALWAYS get their goods insured and delivered. Any questions, comments, or concerns...please post them here. There are a few select people that I have put on my ignore list, and If you have made it on there...there is a good reason for it, and I'm sorry but until those on the ignore list become a customer they will be kept on that ignore list. Thanks, BitStoneDev Awesome. Please start sending out the "incentives" so that this operation officially becomes what appears to be a Matrix Pyramid scheme exactly like Gemcoin. I know, I know, the Gemcoin crooks claimed to get their "incentives" to buy Gemcoins cheap because they "owned amber mines", and you simply state that you can magically buy things for less than everyone else, but the "use our coins to get cheap stuff because we get it for less" aspect is identical. The United States Federal Government has determined that fancy fraud schemes schemes are indeed still just fraud (I know, right? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ), even though smart guys like Dr. Keith Harville seem to think otherwise. Oh, and in case you are unaware, the Bluecoats won. Seriously. They can march right into TN these days, exactly like they did when they visited the Gemcoin crooks in L.A. Please do start sending out some "incentives" so that you officially cross the line and make this operation appear in every way to be a Matrix Pyramid fraud scheme. When you do so, make sure you call up Bitstone Team partners Van Mcminn and Lou Britton and let them know the good news! And, if anyone is curious about whether what Dr. Keith Harville is doing is legal or not, I encourage you to contact the SEC , FBI, Tennessee State Police Special Investigations Bureau or even the Nashville Police Fraud Unit and see what they think. Please report your findings. I am sure they will all agree with Keith and put their stamp of approval on the Bitstone operation, right? Oh, and in case you don't already have a shill lined up to receive those "incentives" ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) , you can get a hold of your old friend from Hashtalk, Hellsgremlin. Seriously, his last employer for whom he helped shill for has been charged by the SEC and has had to cut his operation down a lot. Hellsgremlin is the perfect shill for you, and he has experience doing this exact thing. He knows how to get tweaked up until his eyes look like black saucers and still be able to make a video of him unpacking the "cheap goods" he received. It totally worked for Josh Garza and his Coinstand Matrix Pyramid scheme, so I am sure it will work just as well for yours, too. And, Hellsgremlin has no issue offering to do dirty deeds to detractors, either. Seriously, this is an honest suggestion. Think about it, this guy is perfect for your ScamBones operation. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkWdFVH5.jpg&t=665&c=6VjYKT3shipRjQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fcq2mmHE.png&t=665&c=mwSuGh3ByePDIA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfOE7DO6.jpg&t=665&c=6cBtcZiq56FNQw) "Hellsgremlin Shilling and Criminal Harassment Inc., how may I help you?" P.S: If I am incorrect about seeing Bitstones being a Matrix Pyramid scheme, please explain. I am really interested in how you have determined that your brilliant "business model" is actually legitimate and legal. Also, I just heard this song on WDVX, and I thought it is perfect for Dr. Keith Harville. * Except Keith has yet to get to the Enlightenment and Redemption part of the parable and instead is just rolling off into deeper weeds and picking up speed as he goes downhill...... Enjoy your Sunday! Also, here is a post from BCT member and Crypto Journalist Bitillionaire where he takes Dr. Keith HArville up on his offer of Silver @ 10% below spot value, and Dr. Keith Harville refuses to keep his word about his offer of selling Silver @ 10% below spot, even for one measely silver coin! Hard to believe the moron would not even send ONE SINGLE COIN when someone took him up on it. This was 6 months ago when Dr. Harville first announced his brilliant plan to sell Silver @ 10% below spot price. I stated on the thread that i am not making any money on it - It is to promote Paycoin - There are a hundred honest ways to not lose money on a deal like this -
I am not here to argue but to show that people may have invested in the idea behind Paycoin - not Josh Garza - everyone assumes here that people with Paycoin worship Josh - that is far from the truth - Which is exactly why the thread states that it will be open to everyone not just HT users.
It is apparent that a lot of people have been burned by Josh to have this much hate - but personally attacking a person because they own Paycoin is making a lot of assumptions. There are some really good people that invested in Paycoin and have lost everything, what is wrong with me attempting to bring the price up and help those people. Honestly, I think Josh speaks before he thinks and has harmed a lot of people along the way. Having said that, what Paul Revere and others do by personally attacking me and others on HT has no place in this thread. I have not scammed anyone and all I can do is continue to do what I can.
I am here to say that I would appreciate it if you could leave comments about me out of this thread - And if I do not do what I have said I will then by all means add me to the hit list -
I have no ill will towards anyone and hope that in the future when I have proved myself that you take the opportunity to visit the store
I'm game to try your service. Make me a deal right now in front of everyone. I'll buy the Paycoins through Cryptsy and withdraw them directly to the payment address. I hate everything about GAW, Paybase, Paycoin, and most especially Josh Garza, but metals lasts for the ages. I'll go easy on you, though. Just give me a penny weight piece of silver for say something reasonable. Let's say an ounce of silver for 75XPY? But look. I want you to know that the Paycoin bears will win no matter what you think. I'm down to get some cheap silver but you should know that those XPY will be worth half or less what they are when I give them to you a month from now, less than that down the road. There is no floor but there is certainly a ceiling. Crypto investors are brave but not that brave. Liars Lie. Dr. Keith Harville completely REFUSED to honor his offer of selling Silver @ 10% below spot. Even for a SINGLE coin! If you want to trust this known liar, go right ahead, I will make sure to laugh. P.S: I think this post in relation to a discussion about Bitstone with the totally not Keith Harville sockpuppet "Wheellocks" is relevant : *snip*
Fascinating. I view an abrasive as a tool to grind off the scum to expose what is underneath. This is why I choose to be abrasive sometimes in exposing the fraudsters you call your "Family". If that bothers you, then are are probably scum covering up for fraudsters or a fraudster.
Have you talked to Adam Matlack (Is he the Father of your Paycoin Family?) about when he thinks that it will be revealed that he never had any "Friends and Family" who gave him $1,000,000 to invest in Paycoin, and that he was and still is actually an integral part of the whole Paycoin fraud scheme, enrolled by his highschool pal and BBFL Josh Garza? It is possible that this will come out during the GAW trial, but most likely it will when the Paycoin specific actions come about.
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LULZ at the "buy walls" now sitting on this piece of shit.
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December 07, 2015, 03:09:00 PM Last edit: December 07, 2015, 04:08:35 PM by Paul Revere |
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This is the concern I have with OgNasty's involvement; he's become a part of the confidence scam ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I reached out to them because I saw the post about buying a bar below spot price and I was interested in purchasing one for myself. I then saw that people were having concerns about an escrow, so I thought I would get involved to allow people to safely take advantage of their offer. My intent is to protect buyers of their products. If there are doubts about them, you would think my services would be particularly beneficial. This sounds like a reasonable explanation of your involvement in what appears to be a blatant fraud scam. I do however question your assertion that you "reached out to them" just recently, when you have already been named by Dr. Keith Harville as being part of his brilliant plans to sell valuable commodities at below the price which they can be purchased for. Here is what I think is the first mention of you by Dr. Kieth Harville: I see no reason why selling products for less than you can purchase them will fail, that is the way it is always done- right? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) He senses the Gaw faithful are ready to be sheared yet again. You know... until we see if he's jacking his prices up or not... I'm going to give him credit for really believing that he can pull that off. I consult and, when the bitcoin market is in the RIGHT mood, I do give a deduction for bitcoin payment. I've managed to get 5 people into routine bitcoin use that way. So, I count it as a win even if I only break even. Right but you are talking about regular retail, correct? In the Gold/Silver business there is no huge markup to begin with where you can make discounts, and then he is saying he will undercut the Fair Market Value, which is what you can buy the products for to begin with - if you buy in large quantities. There is no such thing as "wholesale" in the Gold/Silver business, it costs what it costs. (yes, giant industrial purchases are slightly less, but that is Millions of dollars in purchases) I have been into Gold & Silver for a very long time (Thanks Hunt Brothers, you helped me buy my first car!) and I can tell you for sure that there simply is no way to do what he is suggesting. It would be easier for him to just send back more XPY than customers pay him and save all the fucking around buying inventory and shipping things. Seriously. This guy has some mental issues, hard to believe he is an actual M.D. . Might have something to do with his drug addiction, of course. Me personally? I'm giving discounts on consulting. Him? I think he really does think that the XPY will go up significantly and he's bought into the idea that the future increase will offset his current losses. I'm pretty sure anyone who's offering to sell gold already knows it isn't a retail type of market. Notice that he's not using spot prices? He probably has a local shop that can sell to him at a "FMV"-ish price and going to take a personal hit for 'the interim' until XPY shoots off to the moon. I think its a bad business decision, but I've looked at some of the online links related to him and he's not going to have Mensa battering down his door any time soon... so, unjustified, idealistic belief in Paycoin is consistent with his past performance. I think you are missing something regarding Gold/Silver pricing. Fair Market Value is what you can actually buy something for. Small purchases like a single gram of gold or a single ounce of Silver will run you maybe ~20% MAX over spot, and that is if you do not know how to shop around. In today's market you can buy locally for ~5% over spot prices for less than ~1,000ish and more like 2% over spot once you get up above that. Beyond that the discounts to approach actual spot are very gradual as the quantities go up exponentially. What WhoCares is saying is that he is going to sell at less than he can buy his inventory for, unless of course, he plans on saying "Fair Market Value" is WAAY above spot and then give a ~5-10% discount or such, which then he is just full of bullshit and what he is stating is pure lies. I typically do not post here, but wanted to make it clear. If the Spot Price is $1200/oz for gold - and you see the price on APMEX etc is $1230/oz - you will be able to purchase it for $1170 on my site-- so that beats the Spot price and the FMV price from the major dealers/refiners- If you purchase a 1 ct diamond and the Rap price is $3000 and the FMV is 60% of Rap - then you will pay less than 60% of Rap-- So, continue to say what you will - the only person that looks ridiculous in this situation is you- because you obviously have no idea about Gold/Silver or Gems-- And to prove my point - I will personally invite someone respectable from BCT like OgNasty to check it out and make a purchase (with escrow) to shut you up- although that would probably not work either. Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward That was in April. Did Bitstonedev , aka Dr. Keith Harville , aka Whocarez, contact you then? How long have you known Dr. Keith Harville? Also, is this an address associated with you? 1DVpZFrHcnpGcyDhPuAevP9o4K8FiBDAdS ? Thank you for coming forward to explain your involvement with the Bitstone Operation, which appears to be a blatant fraud scam run by a proven liar, and I look forward to your reply.
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Just jealous that you got dibs on that first kilo bar ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . Well, I'm understanding why you attacked me now. Sure wasn't for altruistic reasons...
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December 07, 2015, 05:30:39 PM Last edit: December 07, 2015, 06:16:31 PM by OgNasty |
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That was in April. Did Bitstonedev , aka Dr. Keith Harville , aka Whocarez, contact you then? How long have you known Dr. Keith Harville? Also, is this an address associated with you? 1DVpZFrHcnpGcyDhPuAevP9o4K8FiBDAdS ? Thank you for coming forward to explain your involvement with the Bitstone Operation, which appears to be a blatant fraud scam run by a proven liar, and I look forward to your reply. Here is what I can be certain of. The first mention of BitStone in my private messages was ~ a week ago. I could find no communication with BitStoneDev prior to that. I initially turned them (forum member asking for escrow) down as that is my standard reply to altcoins looking for an escrow agent. My first communication to BitStoneDev, regarding me purchasing a silver bar, was made on December 2nd. It was at that time I understood they were looking for someone to escrow their goods and not their altcoin release. I then expressed an interest to get involved so that myself and others would be able to safely take advantage of their silver discount. I have no involvement with the BitStone operation outside of escrowing purchases of their goods. I am not aware of anyone using the name Dr. Keith Harvile. I have no idea who owns the address 1DVpZFrHcnpGcyDhPuAevP9o4K8FiBDAdS and it has no association with me. I am merely offering my escrow services to buyers who would like to purchase their goods safely, the same as I do for most members of this forum who request it. The only difference is that I am offering it free of charge for the buyers in this case.
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