Innosilicon's A4 Dominator, 1.2W/Mhs 14nm ASIC and miner, open for Partners

[Searing]

The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images.  The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July.  So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes.  This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment.  Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders.  So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell. 

Thanks for the link.  It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder...  Yes, we are that crazy!  I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL

Well assuming I have this correct and all the 'bulk orders' (was it like over 100k they would talk to you) it may be a long time before we see the A4

on the following (my guesses)

Prototype :   JULY 2016

Prototype to Production: say AUG 2016

Bulk Purchases out:  AUG THRU SAY SEPT 2016

1st run of individual units at say (4k) each...would START SHIPPING IN OCTOBER ...now if this is at a 4k price yet...they an't gonna sell many imho.

again above is assuming the timeline has ANY merit and what was in this guys description is legit that is selling the pre-order on aliexpress

[QuintLeo]

The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images.  The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July.  So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes.  This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment.  Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders.  So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell. 

Thanks for the link.  It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder...  Yes, we are that crazy!  I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL

 They're not A2 images.

 (1) 5 boards, NOT 6.
 (2) too much open space in the case. NONE of the A2 units I own or have seen pics of have that much open space between the "first" hashboard and the controller boards.
 (3) I don't think the A2 ever came in a black case, but not 100% sure on that.


 They could be using pictures of prototype units provided to them by Innosilicon.
 They also might be recycling Dragon miner pics - I think I remember some Dragons in black cases.



 Innosilicon WAS talking "mass production" in June/July timeframe - one would think they'd have at least a FEW prototype miners built by now for testing and to take pics of.

[psycodad]

The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images.  The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July.  So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes.  This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment.  Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders.  So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell. 

Thanks for the link.  It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder...  Yes, we are that crazy!  I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL

 They're not A2 images.

 (1) 5 boards, NOT 6.
 (2) too much open space in the case. NONE of the A2 units I own or have seen pics of have that much open space between the "first" hashboard and the controller boards.
 (3) I don't think the A2 ever came in a black case, but not 100% sure on that.


 They could be using pictures of prototype units provided to them by Innosilicon.
 They also might be recycling Dragon miner pics - I think I remember some Dragons in black cases.



 Innosilicon WAS talking "mass production" in June/July timeframe - one would think they'd have at least a FEW prototype miners built by now for testing and to take pics of.

I have an A2 Terminator that looks exactly like the one pictured. I believe it is the model from LKETC. It just depends if you allow them to be called A2 Terminators but they do exist.

[Longsnowsm]

The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images.  The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July.  So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes.  This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment.  Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders.  So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell. 

Thanks for the link.  It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder...  Yes, we are that crazy!  I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL

Well assuming I have this correct and all the 'bulk orders' (was it like over 100k they would talk to you) it may be a long time before we see the A4

on the following (my guesses)

Prototype :   JULY 2016

Prototype to Production: say AUG 2016

Bulk Purchases out:  AUG THRU SAY SEPT 2016

1st run of individual units at say (4k) each...would START SHIPPING IN OCTOBER ...now if this is at a 4k price yet...they an't gonna sell many imho.

again above is assuming the timeline has ANY merit and what was in this guys description is legit that is selling the pre-order on aliexpress

I think this is a really good scope on the possible timeline given the info we have so far.  I received an email from Innosilicon that the miner is not ready yet, but to stay tuned.  Based on the pieces of info we have so far I think this timeline Searing has outlined is probably close to reality. 

On the pre-order thing from Aliexpress I will pass on that one...  This is WAY to speculative for my blood... I would rather sit on the BTC and get something firm in the way of pricing and ship dates.  And I also have seen A2's that look like the pictures.  Also note the description of an A4 says 2 modules...  So way too many things don't add up from the description to the pictures. 

[daveolake]

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

[carlosmnk]

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

wow, this means the titans are not far in eficiency... right now, one of my titans are doing 280Mh/s and draining 1320w (at the wall), so 4.71w/mhs; the new 14nm A4 will do 3.85w/mhs? it is only 18% better?? and i think i can optimice my titan better than now...   

And BTW, this miner was initially, "Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W", so 1.2w/mhs, then they published "A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW power supply in one standard miner box", 2.5w/mhs, but now they are telling 3.85w/mhs... in september they can publish 220mh/s and draining 1150w?? (4.6mh/s) 

[Hunyadi]

Are those miners really 14nm? Their performance is a huge disappointment.

[CjMapope]

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

      

"Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W"

not even CLOSE. one really WOULD ask if that's even 14nm ;(

[Marvell1]

price is way too high if those numbers are right would not pay more than 900 per unit

[AmDD]

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

wow, this means the titans are not far in eficiency... right now, one of my titans are doing 280Mh/s and draining 1320w (at the wall), so 4.71w/mhs; the new 14nm A4 will do 3.85w/mhs? it is only 18% better?? and i think i can optimice my titan better than now...   

I get 275MH/s @ 1250w from the wall, giving me about 4.54w/mh. Thats as good as Ive been able to get it even at extremely low clocks.

[jstefanop]

Yea not sure whats going on here...they seemed like they had sample chips in from the fab last month and published those "tested" 1.5 w/MH specs, which is in line with what a 14nm scrypt chip *should* do. Now they are stating 4 w/mh??? Thats very fishy...I got 5 w/mh efficiency out of the 40nm Alcheminer chip on my USB miner. The only thing I can think of is that yield so horrible that they are only getting 1/4 functional cores per silicon area. That or they are selling an improved version of their 28nm chip and saying its 14nm...

[GenTarkin]

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

Thats extremely crappy performance / power usage. Is your "email response" even real?

[daveolake]

I know it sucks as we are all hoping for a bigger leap in hash and power use, but this is my email in full.

Dave,

The hash rate per box is different from what we expected, but it's based on sample chip performance tested in the lab. And still A4 Dominator has the best efficiency ever, and we determined the price based on the specs.

Are you still interested? How many do you want? Since our first batch has very limited quantities, we will serve batch orders first.

Best regards,
Chloe Zhang
+86 18040500320
Innosilicon Technology Ltd.
www.innosilicon.com.cn

From: Chloe Zhang [mailto:zhangq@innosilicon.com.cn]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 12:31 PM
To: 'Dave'
Cc: 'sales@innosilicon.com.cn'
Subject: RE: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave

Dear Dave,

I’m doing good. How about you?

A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty.

Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.

Best regards,
Chloe Zhang
+86 18040500320
Innosilicon Technology Ltd.
www.innosilicon.com.cn

From: Dave [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:38 AM
To: 'Chloe Zhang'
Subject: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave

Hi Chloe, how are you today?
I was wondering if you are getting close to selling the new a4’s? What would be the final specs and the final pricing, with the farmboy discount? Thanks Dave

[GenTarkin]

I know it sucks as we are all hoping for a bigger leap in hash and power use, but this is my email in full.

Dave,

The hash rate per box is different from what we expected, but it's based on sample chip performance tested in the lab. And still A4 Dominator has the best efficiency ever, and we determined the price based on the specs.

Are you still interested? How many do you want? Since our first batch has very limited quantities, we will serve batch orders first.

Best regards,
Chloe Zhang
+86 18040500320
Innosilicon Technology Ltd.
www.innosilicon.com.cn

From: Chloe Zhang [mailto:zhangq@innosilicon.com.cn]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 12:31 PM
To: 'Dave'
Cc: 'sales@innosilicon.com.cn'
Subject: RE: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave

Dear Dave,

I’m doing good. How about you?

A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty.

Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.

Best regards,
Chloe Zhang
+86 18040500320
Innosilicon Technology Ltd.
www.innosilicon.com.cn

From: Dave [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:38 AM
To: 'Chloe Zhang'
Subject: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave

Hi Chloe, how are you today?
I was wondering if you are getting close to selling the new a4’s? What would be the final specs and the final pricing, with the farmboy discount? Thanks Dave

Interesting, well if they are as horrible as stated in the email ... then that's great news for my Titan! =)

[Longsnowsm]

Well given the specs on the A4 this is a much harder sell.  It is a little more efficient than a Titan, but not mind blowingly so that is for sure.  I know I would still be interested, so I am tossing it out here to see who else might also be interested and possibly we can arrange a group buy?  I would feel a lot better if they had some video up showing the A4 running, and give us something to go on, but so far this is pretty weak.  This 30 day warranty is absolutely horrible.  All kinds of red flags going off in my head about this.

So if others are interested in a group buy please chime in, or PM me and I would like to see if we have enough interest where we can get the 10 unit buy in level at least.  Or if your thinking about buying 10 or more of these in the pre-order and would be interested in letting others tailgate on a larger order that would be great if someone is thinking about something like that.  Thoughts?

[Searing]

Well given the specs on the A4 this is a much harder sell.  It is a little more efficient than a Titan, but not mind blowingly so that is for sure.  I know I would still be interested, so I am tossing it out here to see who else might also be interested and possibly we can arrange a group buy?  I would feel a lot better if they had some video up showing the A4 running, and give us something to go on, but so far this is pretty weak.  This 30 day warranty is absolutely horrible.  All kinds of red flags going off in my head about this.

So if others are interested in a group buy please chime in, or PM me and I would like to see if we have enough interest where we can get the 10 unit buy in level at least.  Or if your thinking about buying 10 or more of these in the pre-order and would be interested in letting others tailgate on a larger order that would be great if someone is thinking about something like that.  Thoughts?

yeah from what I figured a common say 325mh (which 350 is ideal but hard to get these days used) so say full out used Titan best you can probably get is 325mh it would be
1250 watts (using gen tarkin's 3rd party eff firmware) or about the equiv of the 260mh at 1000 watts stated

they really are equiv almost of a Titan in watts used vs mh out imho ..

kinda oranges and oranges (assuming my math is right...sigh math is hard!)

30 day warranty scares the crap out of me so I shall yell


LIGHTFOOT

(he should perk right up...a new 'quest' of the ASIC's WTF is going on soap/drama on BTC.   (keeps him busy and out of trouble)

but hey....my only concern is they sell these things like toasters...if that is so ...any unit Titan or A4 would be pretty much out of the space heating business by the
end of winter 2017....

this $4.85 LTC price is not helping my mojo either

[carlosmnk]

If somewho makes a buy group, i would be in

[Longsnowsm]

I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true.  This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down.  I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty.  I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT.  So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested.  If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure".  :-)

[CjMapope]

I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true.  This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down.  I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty.  I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT.  So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested.  If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure".  :-)

i personally would NOT be interested, pre-orders are just throwing yourself at their mercy. i will wait till they have them in hand and come with BTC, snag one. too much can change in the months till we would actually receive the miner. for me anyways ;p

[AmDD]

I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true.  This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down.  I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty.  I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT.  So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested.  If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure".  :-)

i personally would NOT be interested, pre-orders are just throwing yourself at their mercy. i will wait till they have them in hand and come with BTC, snag one. too much can change in the months till we would actually receive the miner. for me anyways ;p

Agreed. No more pre-orders.