SCAMMER: caradenada

[John (John K.)]

OP:
Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case. (the single liner email SS etc)
If possible, do get the details from the merchant receiving the chargeback and clarify that if the cards were stolen.

caradenada:
No, we are not closing the thread as per the forum policy. You have the right to defend yourself here. Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case.

[augustocroppo]

You don't seem to understand how credit cards numbers are structured.  The first 6 digits are the bank identification number, and would be sufficient to identify these cards as coming from entropay or not.

Entropay is not a bank.

It's just a one-line email saying there was a chargeback.

Post the emails with the header here.

[thebaron]

Screenshots? Congrats, you know how to use Photoshop.

[cointell]

OP:
Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case. (the single liner email SS etc)
If possible, do get the details from the merchant receiving the chargeback and clarify that if the cards were stolen.

The email from the merchant said: "We received a chargeback from our bank today regarding the order below. The reason stated was that the charge was not recognised" and gave the order number.  I do not know if the cards were stolen and neither does the merchant.  There is no chargeback code for "stolen card".  "Charge not recognized" is the closest you'll get.  I have offered to repay the merchant for the loss.

I've stated all the relevant facts, although I've withheld some specific details such as the full card numbers and amounts, on the chance that the cards were stolen and have not yet been cancelled.  I have nothing else to add to this thread.

If you want to confirm that caradenada lied about the origin of the cards, then look at the PMs that caradenada sent me and see that the first digits of the card numbers are different, which would not be the case if the card numbers all came from entropay.  If you consider that sufficient proof of lying, then give him a scammer tag.  If it's not sufficient, then I guess he doesn't get a scammer tag.

There is really no point in continuing to debate this.

[thebaron]

Look Baron, i hope you can sostain what you are talking about, this is a completly different acussation, and unless you have proves of that i gently ask you to rectify your words, or i will take another kind of actions.So now, people are acussing me, and not even one of you shows a single prove of what you talk, thats pretty funny, so now i can decide to start a post saying any member i decide to, its a scammer, a hacker, a thief, a sexual offender, and anything else i think in, without any, ANY SINGLE proof. I really respect this forum and all its members, but this is too much, someone has to put a limit. I ask again, for last time, to ask cointell and now this Baron, to show their proves if they have anyone, or otherwise, you can close the account and finish this childly acussations. Of course, i reserve the rights to act legally, becaue your words, without any single prove, affects me in my moral, and of course in my bussiness too.

Wow, you even type like a scammer.

Can you explain why some card numbers didn't work then? lol

[BCB]

caradenada

I'm very concerned about this thread and the information posted here.  You have to address this immediately or I will be weighing in with some evidence as well.

Thank you.

[makomk]

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431.  Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones.  Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

Hmmm. Some quick googling suggests:

406742 is Entropay
418044 is Fai Financeira Americanas Itau S.A. de Credito Financiamento eInvestimento, apparently a Brazilian bank
498401 and 498431 are both Banco do Brasil S.A.

[augustocroppo]

The email from the merchant said: "We received a chargeback from our bank today regarding the order below. The reason stated was that the charge was not recognised" and gave the order number.  I do not know if the cards were stolen and neither does the merchant.  There is no chargeback code for "stolen card".  "Charge not recognized" is the closest you'll get.  I have offered to repay the merchant for the loss.

That is just your words... Post the email with the header here. Otherwise this case will turn against you.

I've stated all the relevant facts, although I've withheld some specific details such as the full card numbers and amounts, on the chance that the cards were stolen and have not yet been cancelled.  I have nothing else to add to this thread.

Users here do not want statements, they want evidence. Provide the evidence or I will assume you are doing a false accusation.

[thebaron]

Users here do not want statements, they want evidence. Provide the evidence or I will assume you are doing a false accusation.

Do false scam accusations really come up that often here that cause you to blame the victim first?

[cointell]

Post the email with the header here.

I am not posting the full card numbers or identifying the merchant because I do not want people 'testing' these cards, or trying other bogus cards with this merchant.

The full card numbers are in the PMs that caradenada sent me.  There is no good reason to make such details public.  If an admin wants to look at the PMs and confirm that the card numbers were not from Entropay, they can do that.  I think that should be sufficient to convince the admins of this forum that caradenada deserves a scammer tag.

[greyhawk]

Users here do not want statements, they want evidence. Provide the evidence or I will assume you are doing a false accusation.

Do false scam accusations really come up that often here that cause you to blame the victim first?

No, that's just croppo's usual shtick.

[augustocroppo]

I am not posting the full card numbers or identifying the merchant because I do not want people 'testing' these cards, or trying other bogus cards with this merchant.

I did not ask for the virtual card numbers. I ask for the email which shows that a chargeback happened. Moreover, you can redact part of the email to conceal sensitive data (do not redact date and time).

If an admin wants to look at the PMs and confirm that the card numbers were not from Entropay, they can do that.  I think that should be sufficient to convince the admins of this forum that caradenada deserves a scammer tag.

That is completely irrelevant! You have to show evidence which proves the chargeback happened. There is no safe method to verify if the numbers come from the Entropay service.

[thebaron]

Last Active:   Today at 05:43:23 PM

Caradenada is watching, but they are not replying.

[augustocroppo]

Last Active:   Today at 05:43:23 PM

Caradenada is watching, but they are not replying.

Yes, indeed.

BCB is reviewing the case and liaising with both users by personal messages.

[BCB]

caradenada

I believe it was 4 hours ago you posted that you would be responding in 2 hours.   If that's the case I'm going to assume that you will not be responding either publicly or privately.

[BitcoinINV]

I know how charge backs work and I know about Entro-Pay in-depth. The merchant will get a letter in the mail stating there was a charge back they have X amount of days to submit evidence it was a legal purchase. I have had nothing but 100% positive dealings with caradenada in the past for 1000's of dollars. None of them have been charged back and he has provided every piece of info I have ever asked him for. I do not think he defrauded you, cause of prior dealings I have had with him and he had a way greater chance to make lots of money off of me.

How fast after you purchased was there a charge back claim? Days, weeks, Months?
What kind of business was it and did they know it was a entro-pay card before you used it? "This does matter"

The merchant should be able to go right into his Merchant account and pull the Charge Back up with the Ref # Date and Reason Code
^ This is what you need to show to prove this.

Would you disclose the merchant that this happened with?

[BCB]

caradenada  has responded privately. 

cointell, let me know if he's responding to you.

[caradenada]

In fact BCB, i discuss it with you, but cointell doesnt show, didnt even send me a pm. Im waiting for any news.

[cointell]

How fast after you purchased was there a charge back claim? Days, weeks, Months?
What kind of business was it and did they know it was a entro-pay card before you used it? "This does matter"

On October 7, caradenada made a post which I replied to (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116960)

We negotiated a bit, then the next day I sent 20 btc to 1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k

Cara de Nada gave me a card number which began with 406742... and told me that there was a 290 USD balance.

Based on what others have posted in this thread (thank you makomk) this was an actual entropay card number.

I made a purchase with this card.  I did not tell the merchant that this was an entropay card.  I just entered the card number and my shipping info as usual.  The purchase was approved, and apparently was not charged back.

The following day, October 9, I attempted to use the card again.  It did not work, even though there should have been a remaining balance.  I complained to caradenada about the card not working.  He gave me another card number, this one starting with 498401...  This card number appears to not be from entropay, but I didn't know that at the time.  I used the card, and got a complaint from the merchant about a chargeback on November 16.

So, what appears to have happened is that caradenada started out selling me entropay, and then, when his entropay account wasn't working, gave me a stolen credit card instead.

The merchant should be able to go right into his Merchant account and pull the Charge Back up with the Ref # Date and Reason Code
^ This is what you need to show to prove this.

Well, the merchant didn't give me this info, but even if it was possible to get it, what would you do?  Are you going to call Banco de Brasil and ask if they did a chargeback?

I could ask the merchant for a reference number, but I don't see how it helps, as there wouldn't be any way to verify this info even if I got it.  The merchant wants their money back, and at this point I'm just going to give it to them without a fuss, so they don't blacklist my address.

[BCB]

cointell

BitcoinINV is a merchant.  You would not have access to the same charge back info as he does as a merchant.