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December 30, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
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It's not just precious metals and gold and silver isn't just used for Jewellery, it's used plenty often in electronics and dentistry too, but then again, you'd know that if you'd have done your research.


Gold is the best conductor.  If gold was plentiful, we would use it in all our electronic wiring and increase efficiency.

Gold is also the best material for a frying pan.

So, let's mine more gold on earth... not go blasting off for it where we don't know for any kind of a fact that it might exist.

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December 30, 2015, 09:20:58 PM
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I need to know what the point of spending thousands of US dollars on space trips is meant for. I don't know what we've accomplished and found beneficial to society and the overall growth of human living by having money and such being tossed for the government to send random men up into space. I don't understand why space travel is so necessary. Please tell me how the moon launchings weren't fake, or needed for the human race.

http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-we-have-thanks-to-space-exploration.html

http://www.universetoday.com/37079/benefits-of-space-exploration/

In a time when economic austerity is en vogue, we find ourselves debating what is worth spending money on and what isn’t. Programs have to justify their existence and those programs that are seen as ancillary or superfluous get the ax. Unfortunately, often science that doesn’t have an immediate practical use is seen as fluff and a waste of time and money. In the United States, NASA can be an object of this debate. We should not be exploring the solar system, some say, when we have so many problems on the Earth. This, I believe, is an incredibly myopic point of view that ignores the myriad of technological advances that make our lives longer, safer, and more fun made possible by the space program.

Cell Phone Camera

You know how you basically can’t buy a cell phone anymore without a camera? Yeah, you can thank NASA for that. In the 1960s, engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) first developed the concept of the digital camera. In the 1990s, a team at the JPL worked to create cameras that are small enough to fit on spacecraft while maintaining scientific quality. One third of cell phone cameras contain the technology developed from this research.

Clean Energy Technology

Not every piece of technology is directly applicable to non-space faring activities. But, more often than not, technology developed for space flight is refined to create something useful for us land lubbers. For example, the company that developed the Space Shuttle Main Engine is using the expertise gained to create clean energy technology that would decrease carbon emissions by 10 percent, the equivalent of taking 50,000 cars off the road.

Scratch-Resistant Lenses

In an attempt to find diamond-hard coatings for aerospace systems, the Lewis Research Center contributed to making sunglass lenses more resistant to scratches and spotting. A technique for creating diamond-hard coatings was developed and patented, and in the late 1980s Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. got a license to use the patent. The technique was further developed and later used to make lenses that are scratch-resistant and shed water more easily.

Water Filtration and Purification

Lest you think NASA tech is just used for superficial creature comforts, think again. NASA has contributed quite a lot to the development of water purification technology over the years. Just by necessity, NASA developed ways to filter water for manned space missions. But that’s not all. Water purification technology also helped treat contaminated water after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill off the Gulf of Mexico. Furthermore, technology developed to purify water on Apollo spacecraft is now used to purify dolphin tanks and is an alternative to chemical disinfectants.

CAT Scans

A space program needs a pretty good digital image analysis to locate and measure objects. Digital imaging is the computer processed numerical representation of physical images. The JPL played a lead role in developing this technology. This has proven incredibly useful in a variety of medical technologies, like CAT scanners, radiography and microscopy.

These are just a very few of the derivative technologies that we have thanks to investment in space exploration. You can find many more on the NASA website. But, at the risk of sounding like a new age hippie, these ignore perhaps the most important impact a robust space program can have: inspiration.

Space is undeniably huge and strange and beautiful. It’s a mistake to think of the study of space as esoteric. Billions and billions of years ago, supernovae exploded and littered the universe with the elements necessary to create the Earth and everything on it. We literally owe our existence to dying stars. It’s what Carl Sagan meant when he said that we are made of star stuff. The study of space is the study of us and our place in space and time. These are questions philosophers and theologians have been pondering for millennia, and these questions have answers. All we have to do is invest in finding the answers.

I know of no astronaut who returns from space after seeing the Earth with no artificial borders and advocates that we become more divided, more hostile, or more petty. There is something about knowing that we are on an insignificant pale blue dot in an insignificant galaxy that makes one realize how special life is. And we wouldn’t even have a clue if not for our ability to explore our corner of space.



Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-we-have-thanks-to-space-exploration.html#ixzz3vpwvLrp6

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program#Legacy

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Further information: NASA spin-off technologies
The Apollo program has been called the greatest technological achievement in human history.[92][93] Apollo stimulated many areas of technology.[citation needed] The flight computer design used in both the lunar and command modules was, along with the Minuteman Missile System, the driving force behind early research into integrated circuits.[citation needed] Computer-controlled machining was first used in the fabrication of Apollo structural components.

Cultural impact[edit]
The Earth over the lunar horizon, photographed by the Apollo 8 crew
"Everything that I ever knew – my life, my loved ones, the Navy – everything, the whole world was behind my thumb." –James Lovell
The crew of Apollo 8 sent the first live televised pictures of the Earth and the Moon back to Earth, and read from the creation story in the Book of Genesis, on Christmas Eve, 1968. This was believed to be the most widely watched television broadcast until that time. The mission and Christmas provided an inspiring end to 1968, which had been a troubled year for the US, marked by Vietnam War protests, race riots, and the assassinations of civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., and Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

An estimated one-fifth of the population of the world watched the live transmission of the Apollo 11 moonwalk.[94]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble
The Blue Marble photograph taken on December 7, 1972 during Apollo 17. "We went to explore the Moon, and in fact discovered the Earth." –Eugene Cernan
An effect of the Apollo program is the view of Earth as a fragile, small planet, captured in photographs taken by the astronauts during the lunar missions. The most famous, taken by the Apollo 17 astronauts, is The Blue Marble.

Many astronauts and cosmonauts have commented on the profound effects that seeing Earth from space has had on them;[95] the 24 astronauts who traveled to the Moon are the only humans to have observed Earth from beyond low Earth orbit, and have traveled farther from Earth than anyone else to date.

According to The Economist, Apollo succeeded in accomplishing President Kennedy's goal of taking on the Soviet Union in the Space Race, and beat it by accomplishing a singular and significant achievement, and thereby showcased the superiority of the capitalistic, free-market system as represented by the US. The publication noted the irony that in order to achieve the goal, the program required the organization of tremendous public resources within a vast, centralized government bureaucracy.[96]

I see your point. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we developed all that technology for the practical purposes? Think of how much money and time we could save if we didn't waste any of the money on stupid space stuff.

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December 30, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
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According to The Economist, Apollo succeeded in accomplishing President Kennedy's goal of taking on the Soviet Union in the Space Race, and beat it by accomplishing a singular and significant achievement, and thereby showcased the superiority of the capitalistic, free-market system as represented by the US. The publication noted the irony that in order to achieve the goal, the program required the organization of tremendous public resources within a vast, centralized government bureaucracy.[96]

Yeah, yeah much like the gigantic war scams  Grin

Except NASA probably can keep books on their receipts and outlays being the brainboxes that they are

something that the Pentagon won´t be capable of any time soon. Set up to be an accounting fail - obviously.

Right! And now the Russians are upset because they had the wool pulled over their eyes by this moon flight charade just like all the rest of us.

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December 30, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
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Everyone, all I said was space travel is pointless. Tell me how space travel has benefitted society in terms of production. Tell me how it puts food on the table. Tell me how it's preventing mass genocide. Also to the other person in this thread, tell me when an asteroid ever tried to hit the earth. Please.

You can tell the same about a most of sciences and arts as well. I guess most stuff what the ancient greek mathematicians invented was as useless for the contemporary peasants and dock workers as space travel in these day for some of us. BTW many things in science what are now parts of our everyday life started their carrier as toys.
Asteroids. The last really significant one hit the Earth about 64 million years ago, and all the dinos went belly up, and we aren't much better prepared than those big lizards. According to Wikipedia rather big meteorites are quite common things (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event).
We need scientists to find cures for illness and prevention but we don't need them making bombs and rockets. When the world is out of raw materials which I highly doubt will ever happen in the near future, only then can we shoot ourselves up into space to find more materials to work with. Right now, we're fine.
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December 31, 2015, 12:22:29 AM
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It's just a way for government to hire people and give them job, because they can print limitless money

Producing consumable goods is already over-saturated by large enterprises. I think faster and safer travel service is more interesting, and medical research to cure cancer is also worth looking

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December 31, 2015, 01:40:17 AM
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Isn't it funny that there is always something from NASA once a month or so about NOTHING on the News. As if they are developing something that is ground-breaking ultimate technology that will help stop World Hunger. Nah.  News Media: "Today, NASA said they found a Earth-like planet 10 TRILLION miles away and that it has water but made out of CHEESE."

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December 31, 2015, 01:46:20 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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December 31, 2015, 02:03:38 AM
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NASA under orders to build a deep-space habitat by 2018
ExtremeTech-5 hours ago
Congress has instructed NASA to step up the development of a “habitation module” that can take astronauts on deep space missions.

NASA gets $55 mn funding to send humans to Mars
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NASA didn't invent Teflon, Tang or space pens, as many believe. But the agency's ongoing investments in space-related technologies continue ...

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December 31, 2015, 02:13:22 AM
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CONGRESS WANTS NASA TO CREATE A DEEP SPACE HABITAT BY 2018
THE NEXT BIG STEP TOWARDS SENDING HUMANS TO MARS


By Sarah Fecht  Posted December 29, 2015

NASA may dream of sending humans to Mars in the coming decades, but the fact remains that nobody's really sure how we'll survive the journey or set up camp on the red planet.

The Orion spacecraft that will drive astronauts to Mars has a diameter that's about the length of a pickup truck. That's not a lot of space when you consider the astronauts' journey to Mars will take at least 6 months.
In order to not go totally bonkers, Mars-bound astronauts will need a larger place to live, complete with private quarters and exercise equipment. NASA envisions the Orion capsule could link up to a habitation module in space, but right now they have no idea what that module could look like. And who knows what the astronauts will live in once they get to Mars.

Now SpaceNews says that a report attached to the recent omnibus spending bill has allocated funds for NASA to figure it out. The bill orders NASA to spend at least $55 million to develop a habitation module for deep space exploration, and to have a prototype ready by 2018.
That would be great timing, since NASA wants to test out its new space habitat around the moon in the 2020s before sending it to Mars in the 2030s.

However, whether NASA could have something ready by 2018 seems debatable. At this point, the agency pretty much has a blank slate as to what the habitat would look like and how it would function. Shielding astronauts from space radiation while also maintaining a light weight will be one of the major challenges.

Thus far Bigelow Aerospace's inflatable habitat stands out as a frontrunner--a test version of the habitat will soon be deployed on the International Space Station. SpaceNews reports that NASA has also awarded funds to Boeing, Lockheed, Martin, Orbital ATK, and other companies to look into potential habitat designs.

It looks like NASA will have to step up its game, and fast. The report requires NASA to come back with a status update about how it has distributed funds within 180 days of the bill becoming law, which happened on December 18.
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http://www.popsci.com/congress-wants-nasa-to-get-working-on-deep-space-habitat

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December 31, 2015, 02:25:53 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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December 31, 2015, 02:32:54 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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Well, they don´t need billions of dollars for that. Anyway, I could watch TV and use mobile phones anywhere long ago so I guess that´s fully covered.

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December 31, 2015, 02:48:19 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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Well, they don´t need billions of dollars for that. Anyway, I could watch TV and use mobile phones anywhere long ago so I guess that´s fully covered.
Yes, that takes billions of dollars.

TV anywhere?  How?  Over the TV towers that have mostly all been taken down?  Over the Internet, which has key satellite data links?
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December 31, 2015, 03:03:12 AM
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Isn't it funny that there is always something from NASA once a month or so about NOTHING on the News. As if they are developing something that is ground-breaking ultimate technology that will help stop World Hunger. Nah.  News Media: "Today, NASA said they found a Earth-like planet 10 TRILLION miles away and that it has water but made out of CHEESE."
Cheesy Yes! Because we need to know there's a planet made of cheese! Knowing that changed my income.





...it changed my life. It made it better.  Grin
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December 31, 2015, 03:06:05 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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You can sit down, and think about what you just said because you don't know how the majority of cellphones work. We don't need that fancy shmancy sattelite in space.
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December 31, 2015, 03:13:34 AM
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Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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Well, they don´t need billions of dollars for that. Anyway, I could watch TV and use mobile phones anywhere long ago so I guess that´s fully covered.
Yes, that takes billions of dollars.

TV anywhere?  How?  Over the TV towers that have mostly all been taken down?  Over the Internet, which has key satellite data links?
Not all of the towers were taken down. I can still use both my phones that work on CDMA and GSM.
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December 31, 2015, 03:16:07 AM
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I guess the satellite launching business was getting pretty crowded what 15 years ago? Sooner? At any rate it ceased to be much of rocket science or brain surgery if you will, long ago. Almost nobody can be dumb enough to believe that you need billions of dollars in the year 2015 to launch communication satellites.

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December 31, 2015, 05:05:37 AM
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NASA has a very high ROI. It makes back all the money put into it and more:
http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html

A huge number of modern technologies were invented by the Space Program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

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December 31, 2015, 05:30:05 AM
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Ah it's you again  Grin
NASA has a very high ROI. It makes back all the money put into it and more:
http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html

A huge number of modern technologies were invented by the Space Program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

Exactly how would you have the slightest clue about whether or not NASA "makes back all the money put into it".

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December 31, 2015, 05:37:00 AM
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Ah it's you again  Grin
NASA has a very high ROI. It makes back all the money put into it and more:
http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html

A huge number of modern technologies were invented by the Space Program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

Exactly how would you have the slightest clue about whether or not NASA "makes back all the money put into it".
Uhhh because it's right in the article I linked... Independent studies have shown NASA has a very significant ROI. Here kiddo I'll spoon feed you:

"Estimates of the return on investment in the space program range from $7 for every $1 spent on the Apollo Program to $40 for every $1 spent on space development today."

If you believe in cutting back on wasteful government spending then I'm right there with you, but NASA barely even gets a budget and makes the paltry sum it uses back.

Here are just some of the technologies NASA invented or improved:
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html
These technologies have saved countless lives.

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December 31, 2015, 05:43:38 AM
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Ah it's you again  Grin
NASA has a very high ROI. It makes back all the money put into it and more:
http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html

A huge number of modern technologies were invented by the Space Program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

Exactly how would you have the slightest clue about whether or not NASA "makes back all the money put into it".
Uhhh because it's right in the article I linked... Independent studies have shown NASA has a very significant ROI. Here kiddo I'll spoon feed you:

"Estimates of the return on investment in the space program range from $7 for every $1 spent on the Apollo Program to $40 for every $1 spent on space development today."

If you believe in cutting back on wasteful government spending then I'm right there with you, but NASA barely even gets a budget and makes the paltry sum it uses back.

Here are just some of the technologies NASA invented or improved:
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html
These technologies have saved countless lives.
Hm, interesting. Thank you for that info. Going back to my other thread topic though, are the lives that were saved useful and beneficial lives to society? After all, we don't want Snooki lives being saved.
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