[ANN]XDE II coin.NOW 300% POS for a few months. 4hr min stake, only 100k coins.

[Woody20285]

I have a little less than 3 XDE and am a proposed team member, should the swap go through.
It is somewhere a couple of pages back where I first posted.

On a different thread (can't remember which) they were begging for funds to pay for the explorer which had expired.
Everyone wanted one but, no one was donating. Finally, 2 others and myself donated the BTC so all of
the coin holders could benefit. Most just complained that it expired and expected the dev. to pay forever.
Then, I noticed several more coins in the same situation - well known coins that have been around for a long time.
Coins should be set up to pay for all the expenses or else they will continue to die i.e. Special wallet where the POS
pays the costs involved or a portion of Tx funds to POS and a portion to on-going expenses and development
 
That is the businesses are built in the real world - income, expenses & profits. While it is nice to hope that developers
would step up and a community would donate time and money yearly, history shows this is not the case. Those that step up
are rare. It is why this coin stagnated and most others have failed.

Just one opinion.

[Woody20285]

So far the majority think XDE should just die or
find someone to work for free - while they benefit.
If people were going to step up, they would have a long time ago.

Those voting to let it die should not bother coming to the thread to complain.
If they want it dead, they can just delete their wallets - and they solve their problem.

Be interesting where the poll comes out.

[CapnBDL]

So far the majority think XDE should just die or
find someone to work for free - while they benefit.
If people were going to step up, they would have a long time ago.

Those voting to let it die should not bother coming to the thread to complain.
If they want it dead, they can just delete their wallets - and they solve their problem.

Be interesting where the poll comes out.

Woody...I don't think I would call 4 ppl a majority. Just sayin'.

[AltCoinEnthusiast]

Hi
You forgot

"XDE2 should move forward with _0_ 10 premined coins for team member and a gold wallet each." please it add to the Poll!
I vote for that and think it is fair for everyone!
Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund!)

Edit: I think 10 premined XDE II would be ok for the Team efforts. (I mixed up XDE and XDE2)

-Alt

[vegasguy]

Hi
You forgot

"XDE2 should move forward with 5-10 premined coins for team member and a gold wallet each." please it add to the Poll!
I vote for that and think it is fair for everyone!
Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund!)

-Alt

Added to poll. I want to let everyone know, that if you approach me in a non aggressive manner, I can be easily influenced. You CAN shape XDE2 , just the way you want it. You simply need to speak up.

[AltCoinEnthusiast]

Hi
You forgot

"XDE2 should move forward with 10 premined coins for team member and a gold wallet each." please it add to the Poll!
I vote for that and think it is fair for everyone!
Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund!)

-Alt

Added to poll. I want to let everyone know, that if you approach me in a non aggressive manner, I can be easily influenced. You CAN shape XDE2 , just the way you want it. You simply need to speak up.

Thank you Sir

[vegasguy]

ok we'll see how this is going to work out in the next little while
Only time will tell. Why you started a self-moderated topic?  
 

I can not vote!!
After all this drama, I do not agree to swap over and will HODL my good old XDE coin.
Besides a "restructuring to be more fair for everyone " is welcome
 

Please tell us specifically what you would like to see the team rewarded for continued development?

How many premined coins?
Wallets?
What to do with unclaimed coins.

[AltCoinEnthusiast]

Hi
You forgot

"XDE2 should move forward with 10 premined coins for team member and a gold wallet each." please it add to the Poll!
I vote for that and think it is fair for everyone!
Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund!)

Edit: I think 10 premined XDE II would be ok for the Team efforts. (I mixed up XDE and XDE2)

-Alt

Added to poll. I want to let everyone know, that if you approach me in a non aggressive manner, I can be easily influenced. You CAN shape XDE2 , just the way you want it. You simply need to speak up.

I think I fully agree to this proposal.
1% premined XDE2 and GOLD Wallets for each team member  / 1% premined XDE2 and one PLatinum to the Main Dev (Mr. VegasGuy) and the rest of the Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (Auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund for further Development!)- And all unclaimed XDE2 will be burned.
Go ahead! And don't Feed the Haters!

Edit: Addition: All the 5% Premined Coins hold by the Dev Team  should not be sold within a period of time (assured by multisig and transparent addresses)

-Alt

[vegasguy]

Ill look at any ideas and strongly consider. I want the community to feel good about the agreement.

[Woody20285]

Problem with surveys is you don' t need to have xde to vote and you can have multiple accounts and vote your opinion in.

[vegasguy]

Yes plz keep this honest and vote once so we can get a clear picture.

Thanks

[vegasguy]

Now there is another option. I dont know if this is a good idea or not. Run XDE and XDE2 at the same time. Not sure how this would work, but I want to throw it out there. We will keep enclaimed funds and stake them, and when people see that XDE II is kicking ass , you can join us and your xde will be burned. Youll have up to 60 days. Just an idea.

Vegas

[uki]

Now there is another option. I dont know if this is a good idea or not. Run XDE and XDE2 at the same time. Not sure how this would work, but I want to throw it out there. We will keep enclaimed funds and stake them, and when people see that XDE II is kicking ass , you can join us and your xde will be burned. Youll have up to 60 days. Just an idea.

Vegas

Vegas, the more this discussion goes and the more options there are, the less I like it. There is a lot of chaos in this thread and to be honest I am lost what is the shape of the current proposal. This is exactly what I mentioned to you in one of our chats: it is essential to have a long-term plan when starting a new coin. The approach 'we invent something on the go' hardly works in the software projects, and this is yet another example to prove it. In the beginning I was really excited that XDE will have new life, but now I am starting to be sceptical if this 'project' flies at all (pun intended).
 

[Woody20285]

It looks like Vegas is trying hard to please everyone. We all know that is not possible.
Most important is feedback from actual coinholders.

[metamorphin]

By the way: We are very trendy with our mission. This shows us a study of University Muenster, Germany from Svetlana Abramowa (https://www.wi.uni-muenster.de/de/institut/gruppen/security/personen/svetlana-abramova): This study shows us, for what the asked ppl use their Bitcoin



XDEII should integrate exact this missions!
What we do here is making this coin tradable and not only collectable for the forgotten collectors! If u drive exact the old way of old XDE, the coin wont survive the next moves!

Greetz
Meta

[vegasguy]

Now there is another option. I dont know if this is a good idea or not. Run XDE and XDE2 at the same time. Not sure how this would work, but I want to throw it out there. We will keep enclaimed funds and stake them, and when people see that XDE II is kicking ass , you can join us and your xde will be burned. Youll have up to 60 days. Just an idea.

Vegas

Vegas, the more this discussion goes and the more options there are, the less I like it. There is a lot of chaos in this thread and to be honest I am lost what is the shape of the current proposal. This is exactly what I mentioned to you in one of our chats: it is essential to have a long-term plan when starting a new coin. The approach 'we invent something on the go' hardly works in the software projects, and this is yet another example to prove it. In the beginning I was really excited that XDE will have new life, but now I am starting to be sceptical if this 'project' flies at all (pun intended).
 

Uki I am just trying to please everyone, and it doesnt look like thats possible. All Ive done for days is offer solutions, people hardly respond or if they do its general. So at this point, Ive spent so many hours trying to please everyone and I just cant. Period. The project will move forward as stated originally.

53 coins for each team member
Platinum wallets for each team member
Coins not claimed will be burned.

Thats it. Ive spent enough time on this. Its final.


Thanks

[bitcoin_flapper]

Hi
You forgot

"XDE2 should move forward with 10 premined coins for team member and a gold wallet each." please it add to the Poll!
I vote for that and think it is fair for everyone!
Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund!)

Edit: I think 10 premined XDE II would be ok for the Team efforts. (I mixed up XDE and XDE2)

-Alt

Added to poll. I want to let everyone know, that if you approach me in a non aggressive manner, I can be easily influenced. You CAN shape XDE2 , just the way you want it. You simply need to speak up.

I think I fully agree to this proposal.
1% premined XDE2 and GOLD Wallets for each team member  / 1% premined XDE2 and one PLatinum to the Main Dev (Mr. VegasGuy) and the rest of the Platinum Wallets to sell by public sale (Auction) in BTC (which directly goes to development fund for further Development!)- And all unclaimed XDE2 will be burned.
Go ahead! And don't Feed the Haters!

Edit: Addition: All the 5% Premined Coins hold by the Dev Team  should not be sold within a period of time (assured by multisig and transparent addresses)

-Alt

ok we'll see how this is going to work out in the next little while
Only time will tell. Why you started a self-moderated topic?  
 

I can not vote!!
After all this drama, I do not agree to swap over and will HODL my good old XDE coin.
Besides a "restructuring to be more fair for everyone " is welcome
 

Please tell us specifically what you would like to see the team rewarded for continued development?

How many premined coins?
Wallets?
What to do with unclaimed coins.

I Agree to AltCoinEnthusiast.
XDE2 should move forward with 10 premined coins for each team member and a gold wallet each.
Burn unclaimed coins. Gold Wallets for Team Members .10 premined coins for each team member. That would be fair.
Not more pls!
Otherwise I do not agree to swap over and will HODL my good old XDE coin.

[nikkers]

this was not what the poll suggested 

the majority voted for nothing to be done, in 2nd place was 25 coins to each team member and no special wallets, yet you've decided to completely ignore the poll.

I hate the fact that the main xde holders are still not happy, and as you previously said, this will not go ahead unless everyone's happy.

i think there might still be some discussing to do, but i really dislike being in the middle of what's basically two completely differing opinions, and as much as i love XDE and

want to see some progress, i'm very uncomfortable with the current situation for all involved.

[CapnBDL]

Hi,

I am NOT a current holder of XDE. When the coin was released, it looked great but was out of my price range. Now all I see is bickering among holders of XDE & the dev Team of the new XDEII. Why the heck would I want to invest and get into the middle of this mess?

Vegas, I know you want to please everyone. That is never gonna happen, yet, you did a survey and aren't listening to those that really count. Current holders that desire XDEII to succeed and future investors needed for XDEII to complete that mission.  Even though the 'majority' voted to do nothing...big deal! Those ideals are why the coin faded to begin with. That is a small 'group' vote that wants XDE to fail. So...why even take that into account?

Your second option was a bit more reasonable and made more sense. You guys deserve to make something off the resurrection of a dead coin with no value. It was your groups BTC and time that went into the project. Why not do some sort of compromise?

It seems to me that it would be much more valuable to leave the Platinum wallets up for sale or auction. That is needed for dev funding towards work already done and future development. Leave Platinum wallets up for grabs.

The 'Team' members deserve the Gold wallets for the BCT and time spent. Plus, as incentive, a very fair compromise would be 25 XDEII each. That gives your team a valuable 'jump' on new people looking to invest. AND....it would be a show of good faith to past holders of XDE. Your TEAM gets ahead...but you respect those that stayed in the game.

I KNOW your Team wants more. That is easy to see/read in this thread...and the holders of XDE want more too. YOU MUST COMPROMISE for this to be another great investment...brought to you Team 'Vegas'...Baby!

'nuff Said,
CapnBDL
    

[vegasguy]

I tried to compromise and I am willing to compromise, but all I got was trolling, bickering , complaining. Im so tired of listening to it all. Then I was getting answers like 1 coin each for each team, and things like that.

I offered to accept 25 coins for the team each (not good enough)
They said prices too high so I lowered them all in 1/2 (not good enough)
They said team they dont want team claiming unclaimed funds , I said ok (not good enough)

I wont work on this for the next 2-3years for $200. Not going to happen. If anyone wants to write a FAIR proposal thats a compromise then I will consider it.

Complaints will be deleted, it solves NOTHING . Give me SUGGESTIONS, be specific!!!
 
Vegas