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Author Topic: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐  (Read 4326 times)
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January 04, 2016, 03:13:12 PM
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 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin I almost fell of the chair laughing

Dooglus is now the bad guy  Huh he doesn't own a raffle site and I admit that I have no clue of the provably stuff you are talking about but I know that Dooglus Ryan and NLNico are real provably fair experts and now even a new one as it looks like namely @jlfvr

@jlfvr who are you? you are a newbie and it looks you are also a provably fair expert.

@Dooglus & @jlfvr why don't you leave this guy alone with his shitty behavior? let him learn the hard way and also his customers if they will not listen to your warnings




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January 04, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
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I first want to say i am very impressed on how much time you just spent attempting to make our undeniable provable fair system look any different than it is.

You are a highly skilled troll but the end of the day you are still just a troll. People can see you are 100% lying.

Lets take this last games hash


Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800
 has won with 0.00080000 btc, had a winning chance of 88.89% and made 0.00009899 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1747

HASH: 1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022

TOTAL POT: 90000 satoshi


now lets take that hash over to blockchain

Do you see this?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022

Can you see the time stamp?
2016-01-04 12:09:53

Can you see the time stamp of the game?
Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800


Now do you understand how the provably fair works?

Or are you going to continue to troll?



Dooglus is obviously just jealous of OPs success and wishes he thought of the raffle idea first so he wouldnt be stuck with a silly clam dice site.

OP you should challenge all these idiots to some sort of coding/what is provably fair battle , winner gets the others site.  All you need is a judge /escrow and a challenge.




Yeah its clear they are just here to blow smoke in a attempt to make us look bad, i'm done playing their little troll games.
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January 04, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
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I first want to say i am very impressed on how much time you just spent attempting to make our undeniable provable fair system look any different than it is.

You are a highly skilled troll but the end of the day you are still just a troll. People can see you are 100% lying.

Lets take this last games hash


Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800
 has won with 0.00080000 btc, had a winning chance of 88.89% and made 0.00009899 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1747

HASH: 1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022

TOTAL POT: 90000 satoshi


now lets take that hash over to blockchain

Do you see this?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022

Can you see the time stamp?
2016-01-04 12:09:53

Can you see the time stamp of the game?
Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800


Now do you understand how the provably fair works?

Or are you going to continue to troll?



Dooglus is obviously just jealous of OPs success and wishes he thought of the raffle idea first so he wouldnt be stuck with a silly clam dice site.

OP you should challenge all these idiots to some sort of coding/what is provably fair battle , winner gets the others site.  All you need is a judge /escrow and a challenge.




Yeah its clear they are just here to blow smoke in a attempt to make us look bad, i'm done playing their little troll games.

I bet they're all freaking out right now because they finally realized that we aren't shooting dice for clams anymore.  What good is something thats proveably fair if anyone can simply deny it? 

Undeniable Provable Fair or GTFO

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January 05, 2016, 01:02:49 AM
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1) you can generate transactions without broadcasting them
Answer False

OK, let me stop you there.

If you don't think it is possible to generate a transaction without broadcasting it then you really have no idea how Bitcoin works.

You never heard of offline wallets? Armory? Paper wallets?

This alone proves to me that you either don't have a clue what you are talking about or are deliberately being deceptive.

I'll leave you appropriate feedback as soon as I finish this post.

Now let me try once again to explain in layman's terms for you, we cannot predict when the last second will be, as when each person joins the game it resets back to 10 seconds.

So you're saying each time someone bets, you have 10 seconds to figure out which of your pre-generated transactions would make you win? That's about a thousand times longer than you need.

Only with magic can we be so lucky to have the site use said transaction.

Magic, luck, or cheating. Any of those 3 would work.

This also is all happening within seconds do you think we are super computers who can take the amount of satoshis know exactly when the game is going to end compute all that with in seconds oh and get super lucky with magic and get our transaction on the exact second the game ends?

I don't think you are a super computer. I think you're probably either a child, an idiot, or a scammer. It's hard to say which. Possibly all three I guess.

You know exactly when the game is ending: 10 seconds after the last bet.
You know which transaction will let you win: the one which selects a ticket you bought.
You know how to push a transaction to blockchain.info in less than a second and pick it.

You sir are a bad troll.

Try making some arguments against me. Writing "false" after my seven valid statements just makes you look silly.

1) you can generate transactions without broadcasting them
Answer False

Why do you believe this is not possible? How do you think cold wallets and offline signing work?

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Wow, thanks for that. You're a lot more patient with this guy than I am. You actually made valid arguments supporting all seven of my statements, even though he probably didn't even read them.

If you cannot understand this simple concept you have no business running a Bitcoin gambling site.

True that.

It is even worse than that: Since unconfirmed transactions are used to calculate each game's outcome, any valid transaction can be broadcast even if it has no chance of ever being confirmed. This effectively makes the attack free provided one has enough dust spread over a sufficient number of addresses.

Well, it has to be accepted by blockchain.info. I think they reject transactions with too-low fees. I'm not sure exactly what their rules are though, so maybe you could find a way of cheating for free. Either way if the 0.0001 BTC fee is the only thing stopping people from cheating I hardly think we can call it 'provably fair'.

Dooglus is obviously just jealous of OPs success and wishes he thought of the raffle idea first so he wouldnt be stuck with a silly clam dice site.

I know you're joking, but do you think mr. raffle is going to have any idea?

OP you should challenge all these idiots to some sort of coding/what is provably fair battle , winner gets the others site.  All you need is a judge /escrow and a challenge.

How about a dance off? The one with the freshest moves is right.

@Dooglus & @jlfvr why don't you leave this guy alone with his shitty behavior? let him learn the hard way and also his customers if they will not listen to your warnings

I wanted to make sure he understood how his site wasn't provably fair and give him a chance to fix it before leaving appropriate feedback.

I don't want him to be able to claim that I left it just because I ran a competing site.

But as you can see above, he's just trolling. He won't respond to any technical points, either because he can't or because he is willfully ignoring them.

So now that it's clear that he doesn't want to fix his site I'll leave him the feedback and move on.

I bet they're all freaking out right now because they finally realized that we aren't shooting dice for clams anymore.  What good is something thats proveably fair if anyone can simply deny it? 

Undeniable Provable Fair or GTFO

I'm not sure even that is strong enough.

I can't wait until they invent super-duper impregnable I-can't-believe-it's-not-rigged undeniable provable fair. With extra timestamps proving we picked a random transaction within 2 seconds of the end of the game to decide the winner. For fuck sake.

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I believe the inconsistency in the timestamp is only a mistake. I agree with twitchyseal to Dooglus is just trying to bully the guide who is a competitor of him also a newbie which is quite unfair. The raffle idea is brilliant and we should encourage him to improve and make it better instead of attacking him like that

I am encouraging him to make it better, but he refuses to understand what is wrong with it.

His site has approximately zero volume. It isn't in competition with Just-Dice at all. I have no problem with competition. My problem is with deception. OP is lying about his site being provably fair. If he thinks he's able to get away with that without me pointing it out, he's mistaken.

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I believe the inconsistency in the timestamp is only a mistake. I agree with twitchyseal to Dooglus is just trying to bully the guide who is a competitor of him also a newbie which is quite unfair. The raffle idea is brilliant and we should encourage him to improve and make it better instead of attacking him like that

I am encouraging him to make it better, but he refuses to understand what is wrong with it.

His site has approximately zero volume. It isn't in competition with Just-Dice at all. I have no problem with competition. My problem is with deception. OP is lying about his site being provably fair. If he thinks he's able to get away with that without me pointing it out, he's mistaken.

I have explained over and over to you why you are wrong, i'm not playing your little troll games anymore.
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I have explained over and over to you why you are wrong, i'm not playing your little troll games anymore.

No, you haven't.

Look at your 7 falses, and see if you can justify them.

You asked me to prove your site wasn't provably fair. I broke it down into 7 steps so you could understand. You just wrote "false" next to each of them, when I'm sure even you could understand at least some of them if you tried your hardest.

You're clearly trolling, not me.

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January 05, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
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I have explained over and over to you why you are wrong, i'm not playing your little troll games anymore.

No, you haven't.

Look at your 7 falses, and see if you can justify them.

You asked me to prove your site wasn't provably fair. I broke it down into 7 steps so you could understand. You just wrote "false" next to each of them, when I'm sure even you could understand at least some of them if you tried your hardest.

You're clearly trolling, not me.

I have explained over and over to you why you are wrong, i'm not playing your little troll games anymore.
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I have explained over and over to you why you are wrong, i'm not playing your little troll games anymore.

You said that already. Do you have any actual arguments? Saying "false" seven times doesn't count. Smiley

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I just watched a game where the "lukcy" winner wasn't even one of the two people who were playing:



I guess you have bigger problems than provable fairness.

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January 05, 2016, 01:55:31 AM
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I just watched a game where the "lukcy" winner wasn't even one of the two people who were playing:

https://i.imgur.com/TeICAmx.png

I guess you have bigger problems than provable fairness.

Nice try to make a fake screen shot, i will not play your troll games.
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January 05, 2016, 02:03:12 AM
 #32

Saying "false" seven times doesn't count. Smiley

False.

Seriously dooglus, give it up.  Raffle is out of your league.

This whole pushing the boundaries of proveably fair is just a hobby.  His bread and butter is the Autopilot Money Making Bot industry.




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January 05, 2016, 02:10:35 AM
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Saying "false" seven times doesn't count. Smiley

False.

Seriously dooglus, give it up.  Raffle is out of your league.

This whole pushing the boundaries of proveably fair is just a hobby.  His bread and butter is the Autopilot Money Making Bot industry.

Heheh.

I just saw a game end with "Participants(0), winner: Zeb" but I didn't manage to screenshot it in time.

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January 05, 2016, 02:16:22 AM
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I just watched a game where the "lukcy" winner wasn't even one of the two people who were playing:

https://i.imgur.com/TeICAmx.png

I guess you have bigger problems than provable fairness.

Nice try to make a fake screen shot, i will not play your troll games.

Try watching your own site for more than 5 minutes. It happens pretty regularly.

This one was interesting - the game ran when there was only one participant. At least he won, I guess:

https://i.imgur.com/y3muPsO.png

Neither screenshot is fake. Both these things really happened. Your inability to accept feedback and react to it is appalling. I'm not even asking for bug bounties. This is all free!

(You're welcome Smiley )


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January 05, 2016, 02:18:00 AM
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I just watched a game where the "lukcy" winner wasn't even one of the two people who were playing:

https://i.imgur.com/TeICAmx.png

I guess you have bigger problems than provable fairness.

Nice try to make a fake screen shot, i will not play your troll games.

Try watching your own site for more than 5 minutes. It happens pretty regularly.

This one was interesting - the game ran when there was only one participant. At least he won, I guess:



Neither screenshot is fake. Both these things really happened. Your inability to accept feedback and react to it is appalling. I'm not even asking for bug bounties. This is all free!

(You're welcome Smiley )

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January 05, 2016, 02:20:47 AM
 #36

I just watched a game where the "lukcy" winner wasn't even one of the two people who were playing:

https://i.imgur.com/TeICAmx.png

I guess you have bigger problems than provable fairness.

Nice try to make a fake screen shot, i will not play your troll games.

Try watching your own site for more than 5 minutes. It happens pretty regularly.

This one was interesting - the game ran when there was only one participant. At least he won, I guess:

https://i.imgur.com/y3muPsO.png

Neither screenshot is fake. Both these things really happened. Your inability to accept feedback and react to it is appalling. I'm not even asking for bug bounties. This is all free!

(You're welcome Smiley )


I will not play your troll games.
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January 05, 2016, 02:35:03 AM
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I found another possible bug.

The site says "But the final lucky number of each round is the one after 30-second is up" on the main page, and "The final lucky number is the one after 30-second is up" on the FAQ. But I just saw a game that ended less than 17 seconds after the first player bought a ticket.

Maybe it's just a bug in the text, and the 30 second rule is no longer in effect.

But either way you should fix it, and be explicit about which txid is actually used.

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January 05, 2016, 02:36:48 AM
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I found another possible bug.

The site says "But the final lucky number of each round is the one after 30-second is up" on the main page, and "The final lucky number is the one after 30-second is up" on the FAQ. But I just saw a game that ended less than 17 seconds after the first player bought a ticket.

Maybe it's just a bug in the text, and the 30 second rule is no longer in effect.

But either way you should fix it, and be explicit about which txid is actually used.

dooglus you should stop wasting time here. OP will just respond to your bug reports with "I will not play your troll games." again and again.

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January 05, 2016, 02:43:06 AM
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dooglus you should stop wasting time here. OP will just respond to your bug reports with "I will not play your troll games." again and again.

Maybe his developer will see my bug reports and fix the bugs, idk.

Here's a series of screenshots from a 15 second game. I had a clock running in the corner to make the timing clear:

18:23:13 - nobody played yet



18:23:15 - the first ticket is bought



18:23:18 - same guy buys another ticket



18:23:19 - someone else joins in



18:23:29 - ten seconds later and nothing has changed



18:23:30 - the game ends, just 15 seconds after the first ticket was sold



Edit: but the FAQ says the hash which is used is the one after 30 seconds:


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January 05, 2016, 02:44:39 AM
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dooglus you should stop wasting time here. OP will just respond to your bug reports with "I will not play your troll games." again and again.

Maybe his developer will see my bug reports and fix the bugs, idk.

Here's a series of screenshots from a 15 second game. I had a clock running in the corner to make the timing clear:

18:23:13 - nobody played yet

https://i.imgur.com/gkKhUal.png

18:23:15 - the first ticket is bought

https://i.imgur.com/196bouq.png

18:23:18 - same guy buys another ticket

https://i.imgur.com/SHBdgAB.png

18:23:19 - someone else joins in

https://i.imgur.com/32o2Ghk.png

18:23:29 - ten seconds later and nothing has changed

https://i.imgur.com/c4NFhcs.png

18:23:30 - the game ends, just 15 seconds after the first ticket was sold

https://i.imgur.com/RvxjIoa.png



I will not play your troll games.
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