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Author Topic: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐  (Read 4188 times)
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January 06, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.

I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers:

  1) I'm not a thief
  2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them
  3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with
  4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players
  5) I have no reason to prove anything to you

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January 06, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.

I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers:

  1) I'm not a thief
  2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them
  3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with
  4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players
  5) I have no reason to prove anything to you


The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice.

Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash.

Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. 
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January 06, 2016, 07:37:20 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.

I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers:

  1) I'm not a thief
  2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them
  3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with
  4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players
  5) I have no reason to prove anything to you


The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice.

Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash.

Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. 

LOL it is your truth!

I just can't believe such empty answers and I am really begging now that dooglus will stop helping you because guys like you should learn the hard way

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January 06, 2016, 07:40:37 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.

I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers:

  1) I'm not a thief
  2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them
  3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with
  4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players
  5) I have no reason to prove anything to you

The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice.

Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash.

Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. 

If I ask you the time to the nearest millisecond but you add on 3 milliseconds to the true answer, do you think I would notice?

I wouldn't. 3 milliseconds is too small a difference for anyone to notice.

I don't know why you can't understand this.

I did not say that "no one can cheat the site", I said "only the site can cheat, not the players".

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January 06, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.

I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers:

  1) I'm not a thief
  2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them
  3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with
  4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players
  5) I have no reason to prove anything to you

The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice.

Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash.

Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. 

If I ask you the time to the nearest millisecond but you add on 3 milliseconds to the true answer, do you think I would notice?

I wouldn't. 3 milliseconds is too small a difference for anyone to notice.

I don't know why you can't understand this.

I did not say that "no one can cheat the site", I said "only the site can cheat, not the players".


Ok we changed from milliseconds to using the players names. So there is no way for us to cheat like you are claiming we can.

Enjoy
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January 06, 2016, 09:41:37 PM
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*sigh*

He did not understand a single thing about all what we said before.

And before we see an username like '6a9MCc26PF5x2' playing games. x)
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January 06, 2016, 10:54:22 PM
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*sigh*

He did not understand a single thing about all what we said before.

And before we see an username like '6a9MCc26PF5x2' playing games. x)


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its the bustabit troll please go away.

Thanks

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January 07, 2016, 01:00:58 AM
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Mr. Raffle,

I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....

Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?

Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?

Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?





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January 07, 2016, 02:29:39 AM
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Mr. Raffle,

I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....

Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?

In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions

Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't

Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't


The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.

If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.





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January 07, 2016, 06:13:15 AM
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Mr. Raffle,

I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....

Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?

In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions

I can take this one for you: no, it isn't. The last input that affects the result is "the last txid we saw at blockchain.info". We need to take the site's word on which txid they saw last. And even if they tell the truth we have no way of knowing whether the txid they use was specially selected to make a particular ticket win, either by the site or by a player.

Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't

No it wasn't, and several people told them it wasn't. There's no excuse for them "not knowing". They just didn't want to believe it.

Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't

As above, it wasn't and several people told them it wasn't.

The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.

pevpot.com is a PVP type gambling game done right.

I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse or are just incapable of understand the concepts involved.

If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.

I have done. Make the result calculation take longer than the duration of the game so that nobody, not even you, can know the outcome when you select and publish the txid.

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January 07, 2016, 06:31:49 AM
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Mr. Raffle,

I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....

Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?

In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions

I can take this one for you: no, it isn't. The last input that affects the result is "the last txid we saw at blockchain.info". We need to take the site's word on which txid they saw last. And even if they tell the truth we have no way of knowing whether the txid they use was specially selected to make a particular ticket win, either by the site or by a player.

Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't

No it wasn't, and several people told them it wasn't. There's no excuse for them "not knowing". They just didn't want to believe it.

Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?

No, but we also did not know it wasn't

As above, it wasn't and several people told them it wasn't.

The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.

pevpot.com is a PVP type gambling game done right.

I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse or are just incapable of understand the concepts involved.

If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.

I have done. Make the result calculation take longer than the duration of the game so that nobody, not even you, can know the outcome when you select and publish the txid.


We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that. 
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We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that. 

Every time I point out something wrong with your site you tell me I'm trolling you and then attempt to fix it.

Why do you think this time is any different?

Try to understand:

When the game is over, you know all the player names, the total amount spent on tickets, and have a list of all the transactions which appeared on blockchain.info in the last second. You can check the result for all of those transactions and see which of them if any makes you win. You can then claim that one was the last one you saw, and nobody can prove you're lying.

Get it?

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We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.  

Every time I point out something wrong with your site you tell me I'm trolling you and then attempt to fix it.

Why do you think this time is any different?

Try to understand:

When the game is over, you know all the player names, the total amount spent on tickets, and have a list of all the transactions which appeared on blockchain.info in the last second. You can check the result for all of those transactions and see which of them if any makes you win. You can then claim that one was the last one you saw, and nobody can prove you're lying.

Get it?


When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"


When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.
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When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"

When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.

I am clearly talking about what happens at the end of the game, when you publish the results. You have the ability to select the most favourable of several outcomes without detection.

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When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"

When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.

I am clearly talking about what happens at the end of the game, when you publish the results. You have the ability to select the most favourable of several outcomes without detection.



I'm sorry you are incorrect, you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
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January 08, 2016, 03:59:46 AM
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Dooglus,

Please show Mr. Raffle how someone with a reputation like yours that owns a bitcoin gambling site and is confident that it's proveably fair answers these questions. 


Is justdice provably fair right now?

Was it 3 days ago?

Was it 1 week ago?

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Please show Mr. Raffle how someone with a reputation like yours that owns a bitcoin gambling site and is confident that it's proveably fair answers these questions. 


Is justdice provably fair right now?

Was it 3 days ago?

Was it 1 week ago?

My site no longer accepts Bitcoin. It's CLAM only these days.

Just-Dice is provably fair for players and always has been. There is no way I can cheat the players without them being able to detect it.

It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.

Sorry I can't give you the tidy "yes, yes, yes" answer that you were looking for. Smiley

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January 08, 2016, 04:12:02 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect

Very, very foolish words man.

you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.

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January 08, 2016, 04:45:38 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect

Very, very foolish words man.

you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.


Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
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January 08, 2016, 05:20:26 AM
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you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.

Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

You tell me I can verify the rolls.

I ask how.

You tell me I don't know how it works.

So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how?

Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff.

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