Smoothie and cypherdoc

[smoothie]

i went back and referenced the post where i mentioned you about the 1000% thing.  i will say this:  i should've left you out of that post and shouldn't have made assumptions about you day trading.  but you were already trolling me pretty good which is why i did it half expecting you to jump back in with some other comment.  sorry for that.

LOL so you admit you were wrong?....that is a step in the right direction. 

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[cypherdoc]

Let me double check that.

what!!?  you're flipping out claiming that they were selective with regards to TIMING and CONTEXT and you didn't even check the validity of the emails?

Cypher, chill man lol.

You're asking me to double check the emails. I will do that. It sounds like what I remember them to be. But to say they are accurate and in context is another thing.

For someone who thinks I have nothing important to say, you sure are getting emotional about it. Chill... 

chill, eh?  nothing like being accused of being a liar and a scammer and having one's service business harmed by a troll.   

[cypherdoc]

i went back and referenced the post where i mentioned you about the 1000% thing.  i will say this:  i should've left you out of that post and shouldn't have made assumptions about you day trading.  but you were already trolling me pretty good which is why i did it half expecting you to jump back in with some other comment.  sorry for that.

LOL so you admit you were wrong?....that is a step in the right direction. 

i admit the bolded part.

[smoothie]

Let me double check that.

what!!?  you're flipping out claiming that they were selective with regards to TIMING and CONTEXT and you didn't even check the validity of the emails?

Cypher, chill man lol.

You're asking me to double check the emails. I will do that. It sounds like what I remember them to be. But to say they are accurate and in context is another thing.

For someone who thinks I have nothing important to say, you sure are getting emotional about it. Chill... 

chill, eh?  nothing like being accused of being a liar and a scammer and having one's service business harmed by a troll.   

I never said you were a scammer. A liar perhaps in your comment in the OP.

Like I said...chill I will have the information I am referencing posted shortly.

  Yes....chill

P.S. - if you truly believe I have nothing of credible evidence you should be able to ignore my posts right? Or do I have credible evidence that your claims in the OP are NOT true? If I'm so insignificant and not credible you should have nothing to worry about Cypher.  

[Third Way]

Why is a tasty beverage arguing?!?!

[cypherdoc]

Let me double check that.

what!!?  you're flipping out claiming that they were selective with regards to TIMING and CONTEXT and you didn't even check the validity of the emails?

Cypher, chill man lol.

You're asking me to double check the emails. I will do that. It sounds like what I remember them to be. But to say they are accurate and in context is another thing.

For someone who thinks I have nothing important to say, you sure are getting emotional about it. Chill...  

chill, eh?  nothing like being accused of being a liar and a scammer and having one's service business harmed by a troll.  

I never said you were a scammer. A liar perhaps in your comment in the OP.

Like I said...chill I will have the information I am referencing posted shortly.

  Yes....chill

P.S. - if you truly believe I have nothing of credible evidence you should be able to ignore my posts right? Or do I have credible evidence that your claims in the OP are NOT true? If I'm so insignificant and not credible you should have nothing to worry about Cypher.  

no one should stand aside while a troll tries to smear their image and hurt their business.  plain and simple.  i believe those 2 emails say everything there is about how i thought there was a top approaching.  i said i thought we were going to get a pullback that very day it began.  

the real question is why you feel you have the right to post all my updates and alerts which is proprietary information for subs w/o my permission?

[smoothie]

Okay let's break this down for all to see. This is what Cypher said earlier:

"and i'm not always bullish; i alerted my subs during the August selloff minutes before it happened.  from that move it was obvious what would happen so you can't call me a permabull."

1. Your statement first in blue is a paradox and can't be true logically. You can't alert your subs DURING the August selloff minutes BEFORE it happened. It's either during or before.

2. First you said this in an alert:


"-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Day 28
From: cypher doc < >
Date: Thu, August 16, 2012 2:48 pm
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

This push up is exceeding even my bullish expectations.  Could last nite's pullback have been IT?  Whatever you do, do NOT sell. The horrors of broken markets worldwide may exceed even our wildest fears and as a result the Bitcoin Push could be truly a sight to behold.

cypher"

THEN 18 HOURS LATER YOU SAID THIS:

"From:   
cypher doc <>   (Add as Preferred Sender)   
Date:   Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am
To:   undisclosed-recipients:;
could get a pullback here but it should be temporary as we move into the the daily cycle bottom.

cypher"

Your claim that it was MINUTES BEFORE the SELL OFF is false. You posted that a good 16 hours before the price started to come down from $15.40. Keep in mind not 24 hours earlier from this post you told people NOT TO SELL when the price was in the high 13's and low 14's.


Here are a few things to note:

1. Cypher's statement makes no sesne logically.
2. His claim of it being "MINUTES" before the fall in August is false. This probably is him glorifying himself and over exaggerrating the facts.
3. He did send out an alert 24 hours before the top in August. No where did he claim to sell as his comment gives notion that "he is not always a bull". This is false too.
4. He says "from that move it was obvious what would happen " but the funny thing is that he himself also says that NONE knew how far the fall would go also implying no one knows when the fall would start too. Yet it was "OBVIOUS". QUOTE:


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"August 21st
There is no way Pirate owns the 500K Bitcoin address.  It belongs to Silk Road.  No larger investors in Bitcoin would ever turn their stashes over to a young anonymous kid who refused to reveal his business model and returned outrageous sums that were clearly unsustainable from the beginning.  It was clearly a ponzi scheme to me and now it looks like he won't even be returning the funds.  I don't think there will be any further selloff at all as we just had it from ppl anticipating a pirate selloff and just from the fact that it was time from a cycle and overbought standpoint.

The price action since the top has conformed perfectly with my daily cycle timing. No, I didn't expect a 55% dip but then no one else did either.  It's impossible to predict the extent of these dumps altho in retrospect my nascent cycle work did call for a coincidence of the daily and weekly cycles for the first time in months and was a hint that the dip might have been deeper than from a daily cycle alone.  The fact that we're bouncing is a good sign and I expect we will continue up in a right translated daily cycle fashion.  It will take some time for the market to regain it's confidence, however.

cypher"
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I'll let you all decide whether Cypher's statement in the OP was full of shit or not.

I believe it is. Glorifying yourself and giving yourself credit when you do not deserve it while clearly telling people NOT to sell and "claiming" to have called the fall in August and taking credit for it is just wrong. I'm outing his comment here because all I keep seeing is the following:

"Look at when I am right but I won't tell you when I am wrong."

Saying you are not a permabull when you never showed BEARISHNESS by saying "do not sell" is clearly a lie.
Saying you alerted your subscribers minutes before it happened is a lie.
Saying we "could" have a pullback is not worthy of credit given that's like saying "maybe i'm right and if so I will brag about it, if i'm not right I will never mention it again."

[goodlord666]

I could tell you a whole nother story about cypherdoc.

but I don't even care anymore. to hell with all this.

[smoothie]

I could tell you a whole nother story about cypherdoc.

but I don't even care anymore. to hell with all this.

Yet you posted in my thread. lol Thanks for NOT caring. 

[goodlord666]

welcome

[Crypt_Current]

I'm so out of the loop of everything, what's going on?

Smoothie trolling.  i.e. SSDD.  I only know because i'm sick and couch-ridden today.  It's not even popcorn worthy.

[cypherdoc]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

[smoothie]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Time stamps is how I know. When you send your alerts they come in with a time stamp.

[cypherdoc]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Time stamps is how I know. When you send your alerts they come in with a time stamp.

i know the emails have a timestamp but how did you go back and determine the time that the selloff began that day?  you said 16 hr after i said we could get a pullback.

[Third Way]

I think I get sexual tension in this ITT thread.

[sd]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Smoothie is complaining that you didn't predict the future with 100% certainty. He is complaining that you didn't do the impossible.

Smoothie was funny when he was trolling SolidCoin but these days he just seems to pick random targets. He is just attention seeking.

[smoothie]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Time stamps is how I know. When you send your alerts they come in with a time stamp.

i know the emails have a timestamp but how did you go back and determine the time that the selloff began that day?  you said 16 hr after i said we could get a pullback.

Your email came in at Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am Hawaii Standard Time.

The price top did not happen until early the 18th for me when I was sleeping. Around 4 to 5am Hawaii Standard Time.

If you want me to go through the time stamps of the price too for you I will.

CYPHER: I even emailed you 5 hours after you sent out that alert and it was around 3pm HST on Friday the 17th.

[smoothie]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Smoothie is complaining that you didn't predict the future with 100% certainty. He is complaining that you didn't do the impossible.

Smoothie was funny when he was trolling SolidCoin but these days he just seems to pick random targets. He is just attention seeking.

Yup calling out bullshit statements is RANDOM. 

[cypherdoc]

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Time stamps is how I know. When you send your alerts they come in with a time stamp.

i know the emails have a timestamp but how did you go back and determine the time that the selloff began that day?  you said 16 hr after i said we could get a pullback.

Your email came in at Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am Hawaii Standard Time.

The price top did not happen until early the 18th for me when I was sleeping. Around 4 to 5am Hawaii Standard Time.

If you want me to go through the time stamps of the price too for you I will.

yes please do to prove to us that it was indeed 16 hr exactly after i issued that alert that the selloff began.  i don't remember that to be the case.  but in any case what does it really matter?  i said the same day and before it happened that there would likely be a pullback.  what do you want from me?

[sd]

Yup calling out bullshit statements is RANDOM. 

Call out yourself then smoothie. When CoinHunter left he took your sense of humor with him.

You used to be an even blend of funny and troll, now all the funny has evaporated.