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sardasa (OP)
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January 14, 2016, 03:58:17 PM |
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Fees 0.0000001 BTC  this will take some time to be confirmed 99.9% that never  with 0.00000374 BTC fee I have wait week or two, after several time rebroadcasting. So I suggesting stop rebroadcasting in this case. Stop re-broadcasting & wait for it get confirmed or dropped by the n/w? |
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sardasa (OP)
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January 14, 2016, 04:23:34 PM |
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money.  Sender's scam attempt will fail. There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin. I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm . I am regretting not to use escrow. Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN. Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.
https://blockchain.info/address/1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFcThis address has 3 pages of transactions on blockchain.info and you say that this was your 4th txn involving bitcoin. You are caught red handed dude. No point of pretending to be innocent now. Everyone knows you are a scammer. |
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Indianacoin
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January 14, 2016, 05:13:23 PM |
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.
Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.
Next time trade with a trusted member here.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 14, 2016, 05:15:34 PM |
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.
Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.
Next time trade with a trusted member here.
How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w? Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once. |
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zazarb
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January 14, 2016, 05:59:13 PM |
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.
Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.
Next time trade with a trusted member here.
How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w? Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once. that can take several day, to transaction could be cancelled. |
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Indianacoin
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January 14, 2016, 06:03:24 PM |
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How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.
Just leave it there already. No need to rebroadcast again.  Your final balance will automatically show zero after it gets rejected by the network ( https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE)
I am sorry sir , i wanted to trade with you but this sardasa told that i can trade with him and told to send first , i am new to bitcoin so i sent first with minimum fee , and now transaction is unconfirmed , i am waiting for transaction to confirm , and hope Sardasa will not scam me.
Funny thing is, he sent btc earlier and after doing 141 successful transactions he becomes totally unaware of transaction fees. Poor scam attempt.  |
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shorena
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January 14, 2016, 06:13:55 PM |
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-snip- Poor scam attempt. Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action. If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything -OR- If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks. After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it. |
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Indianacoin
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January 14, 2016, 06:21:47 PM |
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Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.
If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
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If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.
How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO. After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.
That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network. |
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shorena
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January 14, 2016, 06:25:21 PM |
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Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.
If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
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If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.
How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO. After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.
That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network. Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams? |
Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 14, 2016, 06:46:26 PM |
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Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?
If the txn gets confirmed then I would probably send this funds to theymos and let him decide what to do with it. What do you guys say? Now when its confirmed that he is a scammer then I can make his Skrll id public which he gave me: sad.kunal@gmail.comMaybe some one can link this one also with other scams. |
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Indianacoin
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January 14, 2016, 06:55:23 PM |
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Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer.
The TX would not give me (~ if I were sardasa) 0.1163 btc in first place. It is obviously (99.9% chance) going to bounce anyways if no rebroadcasts are ensued within a week. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?
If by chance it reaches that wallet I (representing sardasa here) will surely return it to the address where it came from. No questions thereafter. I don't know what sardasa might do in that case. Oh well, he posted that before me. |
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January 14, 2016, 07:14:56 PM |
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.
...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else.... ~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?Thanks for letting me this know. |
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shorena
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January 15, 2016, 06:12:07 PM |
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Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 15, 2016, 06:13:27 PM |
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Can you please explain what exactly it mean? |
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shorena
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January 15, 2016, 06:18:24 PM |
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Can you please explain what exactly it mean? ~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation. You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account. |
Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 15, 2016, 06:23:30 PM |
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Can you please explain what exactly it mean? ~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation. You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account. What kind of shitty wallet is this which allows same coins to be spent twice. I have contacted coinbase https://community.coinbase.com/t/received-bitcoin-in-pending-since-more-than-2-days/9636 and now waiting for their reply. I see Coinbase is way better here as: I do not have option of setting fee, they decide it themselves. I cannot spend the coins unless they are confirmed I cannot send the same coin again to anyone once they leave my wallet. |
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shorena
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January 15, 2016, 06:25:57 PM |
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Can you please explain what exactly it mean? ~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation. You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account. What kind of shitty wallet is this which allows same coins to be spent twice. I have contacted coinbase https://community.coinbase.com/t/received-bitcoin-in-pending-since-more-than-2-days/9636 and now waiting for their reply. I see Coinbase is way better here as I do not have option of setting fee, they decide it themselves. I can not spend the coins unless they are confirmed I cannot send the same coin again to anyone once they leave my wallet. AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds. |
Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 15, 2016, 06:28:10 PM |
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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.
This guy seems to be an expert scammer. He knows a lot about how the system can be misused. |
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shorena
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January 15, 2016, 06:31:49 PM |
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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.
This guy seems to be expert scammer. He knows a lot about how can the system be misused. Its not that difficult, I probably have given the advice how to double spend a TX several times myself. A simple google search on the forum will easily result in several step by step guides how to do it. Its often used to create the same TX (sending the coins to the same person), but with a higher fee. As long as you dont start accepting unconfirmed transactions you dont have to worry about it. Double spends are currently difficult, but they might get easier with the next version of bitcoin core (0.12). I still have to read more about it though. |
Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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sardasa (OP)
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January 15, 2016, 06:33:21 PM |
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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.
This guy seems to be expert scammer. He knows a lot about how can the system be misused. Its not that difficult, I probably have given the advice how to double spend a TX several times myself. A simple google search on the forum will easily result in several step by step guides how to do it. Its often used to create the same TX (sending the coins to the same person), but with a higher fee. As long as you dont start accepting unconfirmed transactions you dont have to worry about it. Double spends are currently difficult, but they might get easier with the next version of bitcoin core (0.12). I still have to read more about it though. What can be genuine benefits of double spending the same coin other then being misused like the way its been here? |
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