Do you hate muslems?

[kaltun]

Oh, I understand what you are trying to tell me quite well. I just know that you have one little set of beliefs in your head about Islam, and other Islamicst have other little sets of beliefs in their heads. Together you are one big unhappy family, fighting and killing each other quite commonly.

Please don't lecture me about your old books, I have read them and may well know more than you do about them. It's very common for devout believers in a religion to know far less about it than an objective athiest.

Facts are unimportant to the believer, and quoting the Koran does not prove anything except to the believer that already believes it. Please don't lecture about the minute differences between people believing in hadiths versus the koran. Here's an interesting group of articles entitled "Games Muslims Play." These cover the arguments you have made in "defending Islam."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/index.aspx

Meanwhile, in June alone, here's your religion's Allah Akbar count.

Attacks    163
Killed    1175
Injured    1382
Suicide Blasts    34
Countries    30

NO you DONT,



i did wrote whole text , to explain it again , and i thought suddenly whyy do i have to repeat my self when they dont wanna listen....


so i removed ......

i am done with this......

go spread your lies and deceptions........



i am reading now this translation of the Quran ..

who really wants to know what Quran says can read this :

https://www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Quran-%E2%80%93-A-Complete-Revelation-5i.pdf

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[Sithara007]

i dont hate all muslim that not doing terrors.

OK.. fair enough. Now tell me how are you going to distinguish those Muslims who commit terrorist attacks from the others. It is impossible to differentiate them. They can be educated or uneducated. They can be male or female. They can be children or elderly. How will you identify them?

[Spendulus]

i dont hate all muslim that not doing terrors.

OK.. fair enough. Now tell me how are you going to distinguish those Muslims who commit terrorist attacks from the others. It is impossible to differentiate them. They can be educated or uneducated. They can be male or female. They can be children or elderly. How will you identify them?

He could love the Muslim babies. Maybe all the ones younger than three years in age.

[BlokF4No27]

Thinking hate will ruin our mind, do not fill our heart and mind with hatred but fill with love and affection, so our life will happy and everything looks beautiful.

[popcorn1]

Oh, I understand what you are trying to tell me quite well. I just know that you have one little set of beliefs in your head about Islam, and other Islamicst have other little sets of beliefs in their heads. Together you are one big unhappy family, fighting and killing each other quite commonly.

Please don't lecture me about your old books, I have read them and may well know more than you do about them. It's very common for devout believers in a religion to know far less about it than an objective athiest.

Facts are unimportant to the believer, and quoting the Koran does not prove anything except to the believer that already believes it. Please don't lecture about the minute differences between people believing in hadiths versus the koran. Here's an interesting group of articles entitled "Games Muslims Play." These cover the arguments you have made in "defending Islam."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/index.aspx

Meanwhile, in June alone, here's your religion's Allah Akbar count.

Attacks    163
Killed    1175
Injured    1382
Suicide Blasts    34
Countries    30

NO you DONT,



i did wrote whole text , to explain it again , and i thought suddenly whyy do i have to repeat my self when they dont wanna listen....


so i removed ......

i am done with this......

go spread your lies and deceptions........



i am reading now this translation of the Quran ..

who really wants to know what Quran says can read this :

https://www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Quran-%E2%80%93-A-Complete-Revelation-5i.pdf

Do you listen to MUSIC?..

Much better meanings than your verses out of the KORAN and you can sing along and be happy..

Have you ever tried to SING?..
Have ago if you have not. IT'S NICE
Even if you sound like a cat getting strangled SING SING SING..

Now just like your verses out of the koran listen to the words of this song and this will tell you what is going on right now..

Genesis - Land of Confusion with lyrics - YouTube
Video for land of confusion lyrics▶ 4:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7HkpbLK9s

I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But i can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street.
Now did you read the news today
They say the danger's gone away
But i can see the fire's still alight
There burning into the night.
There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion.
This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in.
Ooh superman where are you now
When everything's gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour.
This is the time
This is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go round
Tell me…

And do you see how a song is the TRUTH ..Our western politicians    ARE THAT SONG..

[popcorn1]

I don't understand why do we need to hate muslim's? Is it because of their religion or kind of their lifestyle? For me i like them Some muslim's are good,they are kind , and also they are people like us ,so don't hate them. Especially if they do not do anything wrong with you.

because ,

liers and haters like popcorn1 and Spendulus are causing hateric feelings by people .... they dont want peace, they wants just what suits them.

If you don't like popcorn and Spendulus, then debate against them using civil language. Name calling and showering insults is not going to work here. First you need to realize that nothing is above criticism, including Islam and Prophet Mohammed. The best thing to do would be to listen to the criticism and then reform your beliefs.  

you dont knw me at all, yet you think to know what i know or feel .....
i have explained you before the way i am thinking about my religion, but who cares  ....

the way here how it gone is :

i may get insult but i may not insult others ..... so this is the way of debate or discuss here .....


popcorn1:

insulting others so you will get better feeling..And it looks like it's working Wink..

QUOTE is still mocking , but who cares.. NOW YOUR LEARNING

i like real debate, but i dont like being insult personally ....

i forgot you also to mention also.....

but if i dont get taken serious because i am a beleaver , is this the way to debate / discuss . to mock with your oponent....

i know ( my thinking) my religion beeing hijacked, but the Quran is still untouched .... the message is still there,  its still readable if you know your SOURCE ....

i am telling this to Muslims Also , dont take hadiths as part of the Quran , it isint .


the most error you guys do is looking individual actions....

again the qustions is :

If the books tells me go right and i turn left whoms action is it ......??

thats what you guys do, look and check the people who commit crimes and saying the religion (Quran) says it .......

the problem you guys dont understand is :

Islam is more then 1400 years active, if it were that evil , that thirsth for world domination , why is this not happened???
Ottoman empire rule more then 600 years , Ottomans were Muslims , the counterend countries ,  they could choose, to convert or not ... if not you did pay extra money ect.. but THEY didnt have to give up their language, religion , rituals....  

if its was world domination it would happened a long time ago , but it didnt......
the last 50 years , this whole islam-terrorist has arisen from "islam" before that it were just terrorist... like IRA

i live in a country with free speech, i am happy  to live in this country , cause with this knowledge of mine , i would not live my life in freedom or i would be killed if i prenounce this though in Arab country, but AGAIN this is not part of the religion what Arab countries does do with human rights :

you know what funny is :


check which countries lives according Islam meant....

i like real debate, but i dont like being insult personally ..OK sorry  ..
Your religion still needs to change or be gone ....

See you have skipped the bad bit lets debate then and if you cannot debate with real answers then i will probably insult you again ..I will try not to though because you get awfully upset ..

But lets debate..Are these verses in the KORAN yes or no ?..
Now i hate liars and that's why maybe i insulted you  BUT i wont this time..

Is this verse in the KORAN ..YES or NO?

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims.


The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses Excerpt K 2:178-179 Set 1, Count 1+2 ... And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they ... Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. .... [8.73] Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another:


The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses
1   2:178   26   3:156   51   4:103   76   8:57   101   09:029   126   29:69   151   59:05
2   2:179   27   3:157   52   4:104   77   8:58   102   09:036   127   33:15   152   59:06
3   2:190   28   3:158   53   4:141   78   8:59   103   09:038   128   33:18   153   59:07
4   2:191   29   3:165   54   5:033   79   8:60   104   09:039   129   33:20   154   59:08
5   2:193   30   3:166   55   5:035   80   8:65   105   09:041   130   33:23   155   59:14
6   2:194   31   3:167   56   5:082   81   8:66   106   09:044   131   33:25   156   60:09
7   2:216   32   3:169   57   8:001   82   8:67   107   09:052   132   33:26   157   61:04
8   2:217   33   3:172   58   8:005   83   8:68   108   09:073   133   33:27   158   61:11
9   2:218   34   3:173   59   8:007   84   8:69   109   09:081   134   33:50   159   61:13
10   2:244   35   3:195   60   8:009   85   8:70   110   09:083   135   42:39   160   63:04
11   3:121   36   4:071   61   8:010   86   8:71   111   09:086   136   47:04   161   64:14
12   3:122   37   4:072   62   8:012   87   8:72   112   09:088   137   47:20   162   66:09
13   3:123   38   4:074   63   8:015   88   8:73   113   09:092   138   47:35   163   73:20
14   3:124   39   4:075   64   8:016   89   8:74   114   09:111   139   48:15   164   76:08
15   3:125   40   4:076   65   8:017   90   8:75   115   09:120   140   48:16
16   3:126   41   4:077   66   8:039   91   9:05   116   09:122   141   48:17
17   3:140   42   4:084   67   8:040   92   9:12   117   09:123   142   48:18
18   3:141   43   4:089   68   8:041   93   9:13   118   16:110   143   48:19
19   3:142   44   4:090   69   8:042   94   9:14   119   22:039   144   48:20
20   3:143   45   4:091   70   8:043   95   9:16   120   22:058   145   48:21
21   3:146   46   4:094   71   8:044   96   9:19   121   22:078   146   48:22
22   3:152   47   4:095   72   8:045   97   9:20   122   24:053   147   48:23
23   3:153   48   4:100   73   8:046   98   9:24   123   24:055   148   48:24
24   3:154   49   4:101   74   8:047   99   9:25   124   25:052   149   49:15
25   3:155   50   4:102   75   8:048   100   9:26   125   29:006   150   59:02


Are they in the KORAN..YES or NO..

Simple answer that's all you need to say ..

Now if you say the BIBLE has bad stuff in it ok ban that too..
I don't care it's all fairy tales 21st century and i need proof ..

God said you must give me your BITCOINS ..No you wouldn't believe would you only when it suits you..

No but he did say give popcorn1 all your crypto so you can go to heaven ..

And i will feed the poor      YES i am poor so i will feed myself..

Oh simple YES or NO will be fine..
Yes Koran has good bits in it BUT it has many many bad bits in it too so because it's all fairy tales
what's the point ..

BAD BOOK of stupid lies ..Bible is the same    they all are bullshit..

Now forget your religion and wake up ..
You can be nice without preaching BULLSHIT you know..

[popcorn1]

I say lets ban all religion then if one day some sky daddy happens to come down from the heavens above he she or it  can then tell us what it wants us to do ..Then we will have no confusion..

we will all know what he she or it wants us to do in life ..
Because with so many gods and so many different views of the religion they pray to..

So i suggest lets ban it all till we have proof and if a sky dady comes down then i am sure he she or it will let us know what to do..

BUT YOU BE WAITING FOREVER no sky daddy i am afraid..

[PanGiMoon]

It seems to me that all this is nonsense. Is it because of the fact that we see huge numbers about Muslims, now we need to tremble? The fact is that the Muslim world today has really become a spring and it needs to be done with something.

[popcorn1]

I could imagine with a thread like this someone might be watching like FBI CIA MI6 POLICE ..

So this has nothing to do with islam it's something that you need to sort out ..
So if your watching you better sort this problem out ..

Doctors refuse to let Charlie Gard's parents take him home - YouTube
Video for charlie gard youtube▶ 3:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XueR4V2RHAI


Now to the law      what right do you have to hurt the parents with mental illness ?..
You do know that see the parents will end up with a mental illness all because of YOU..

Lets strip this situation down..
The parents have been given HOPE so like every parent they would want to try EVERYTHING to make their child better..EVERYTHING TO TRY..

Now the fact it's their BABY not yours they have the right to choose if they want to try another treatment
IT'S no ones right to tell the parents other wise ..

Now WHY i say this is because if they don't believe they tried EVERYTHING they possibly could it will hang over there BRAINS till the day they die..

AND YOU BASTARDS will have give them a MENTAL ILLNESS so you have made them suffer ..

You are then not the law to protect peoples rights YOU ARE KILLERS ..
They could hang themselves ..Well you don't know do you..

Now is the LAW to protect people or NOT..

NOW LET THEM GO ..You make sure you do this or you will see the shit hit the fan..
They LOVE THAT CHILD ..As you can see by the STRESS you are causing these poor parents ..

They have done nothing wrong to the LAW the law is giving the parents MENTAL HEALTH problems..

NOW LET THEM GO ..

And JUDGE if it was your FUCKING CHILD you be taking them..YOU FUCKING ASS HOLE.

ARE THE LAW sick in the head?..Like to give people MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS?..

Or is it because if he gets BETTER you will have to bring the treatment to our hospital..
And also do you remember this CASE?..

So Ashya's parents were RIGHT: Proton beam cancer therapy...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../So-Ashya-s-parents-RIGHT-Proton-beam-cancer-therapy-for...
30 Jan 2016 - The parents of Ashya King were arrested in Spain after they took their ... Brett King (pictured) and his wife are forced to spend several nights in prison away from their son, ... The NHS later agreed to fund Ashya King's proton beam therapy .... Heroic lorry driver stops runaway van and saves the driver's life ..


AND YOU LOCKED THEM UP ..

And they was right the child got better..

So if i was you let them go to get the child treatment and at least let them know in there own minds they TRIED EVERYTHING..Then when he passes away they will feel they never let him DOWN..

You will give the parents a MENTAL ILLNESS ..
And the LAW is not suppose to hurt the none criminals ..BUT the law turned into CRIMINALS ..

MENTAL TORTURE ..YOU BROKE THE FUCKING LAW ..

Now does the law break the law on INNOCENTS ?..
Well you broke the LAW by MENTAL TORTURE..Forever those parents will suffer ..

Now let them have PEACE OF MIND by knowing they tried EVERYTHING..

It will safe there MINDS from MENTAL TORTURE which the LAW will have CAUSED ..

[Sithara007]

i dont hate all muslim that not doing terrors.

OK.. fair enough. Now tell me how are you going to distinguish those Muslims who commit terrorist attacks from the others. It is impossible to differentiate them. They can be educated or uneducated. They can be male or female. They can be children or elderly. How will you identify them?

As long as Muslims don't differentiate and expose the radical elements, and get rid of their supremacist ideology, we have to treat Islam as an ideologically monolithic political party with its primary goal: subjugation of all non-Muslims.

Islam = Submission

It is going to be hard for the Muslims. 

There are more than 109 verses in the Holy Quran, which encourages the followers to indulge in violence against the non-believers (i.e non-Muslims). If any Muslim acts against these verses, then he may be accused of apostasy.

[Matcuda]

i dont hate all muslim that not doing terrors.

OK.. fair enough. Now tell me how are you going to distinguish those Muslims who commit terrorist attacks from the others. It is impossible to differentiate them. They can be educated or uneducated. They can be male or female. They can be children or elderly. How will you identify them?

As long as Muslims don't differentiate and expose the radical elements, and get rid of their supremacist ideology, we have to treat Islam as an ideologically monolithic political party with its primary goal: subjugation of all non-Muslims.

Islam = Submission

It is going to be hard for the Muslims. 

There are more than 109 verses in the Holy Quran, which encourages the followers to indulge in violence against the non-believers (i.e non-Muslims). If any Muslim acts against these verses, then he may be accused of apostasy.

Can there really exist at least some possibility that Muslims will become more faithful people and begin to show respect for other religions? I doubt it, but I really want it all to happen.

[hugoworld]

This is a question that should be asked mostly of Muslims in Muslim lands. After all, if one of them looks like he is turning against the religion, the rest of them beat him or kill him. The reason they do this is so that they don't get beaten or killed.

This is a question that should be asked of Muslims in Muslim lands.

Your ideas over this topic is completely true. Muslims people hate each other than non-muslims do. In islamic countries , they are killing their own brothers , sisters just for not practising properly their religious duties. This are the real hater in their own society. This is insane for sure.

[kaltun]

i hope i will not irritate again, so i am gonna try

i like real debate, but i dont like being insult personally ..OK sorry  ..
Your religion still needs to change or be gone ....[/qoute]

no , people must change, i see nothing bad in my religion

See you have skipped the bad bit lets debate then and if you cannot debate with real answers then i will probably insult you again ..I will try not to though because you get awfully upset ..

But lets debate..Are these verses in the KORAN yes or no ?..
Now i hate liars and that's why maybe i insulted you  BUT i wont this time..

Is this verse in the KORAN ..YES or NO?[/qoute]

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims.[/qoute]

this is not the complete message YES of NO ??

This is a quotation out of context. For the context if you read the first few verse of Surah Tawbah (Chapter 9), they speak about a peace treaty between the Muslims and Mushriks (non-believer) of Makkah. Now this peace treaty was broken by mushriks of Makkah. By the time Allah reaches verse number 5 he gives them ultimatum to the mushriks and tells them put things straight in four months time other wise a declaration of war and in the battle field, Allah says (to the Muslims) when the enemies come to attack you, you kill the enemies.
So this verse is revealed in the battle field that When the enemies come to attack you don't get scared , fight them. But nature any army general today to boost up the morale of his soldiers will say that when the enemies come kill them.

i couldnt better form this.

i wanna bet if i check your countries law book i am gonna find , text like killing - murdering- rape

YES of NO ??

The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses Excerpt K 2:178-179 Set 1, Count 1+2 ... And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they ... Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. .... [8.73] Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another:


The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses
1   2:178   26   3:156   51   4:103   76   8:57   101   09:029   126   29:69   151   59:05
2   2:179   27   3:157   52   4:104   77   8:58   102   09:036   127   33:15   152   59:06
3   2:190   28   3:158   53   4:141   78   8:59   103   09:038   128   33:18   153   59:07
4   2:191   29   3:165   54   5:033   79   8:60   104   09:039   129   33:20   154   59:08
5   2:193   30   3:166   55   5:035   80   8:65   105   09:041   130   33:23   155   59:14
6   2:194   31   3:167   56   5:082   81   8:66   106   09:044   131   33:25   156   60:09
7   2:216   32   3:169   57   8:001   82   8:67   107   09:052   132   33:26   157   61:04
8   2:217   33   3:172   58   8:005   83   8:68   108   09:073   133   33:27   158   61:11
9   2:218   34   3:173   59   8:007   84   8:69   109   09:081   134   33:50   159   61:13
10   2:244   35   3:195   60   8:009   85   8:70   110   09:083   135   42:39   160   63:04
11   3:121   36   4:071   61   8:010   86   8:71   111   09:086   136   47:04   161   64:14
12   3:122   37   4:072   62   8:012   87   8:72   112   09:088   137   47:20   162   66:09
13   3:123   38   4:074   63   8:015   88   8:73   113   09:092   138   47:35   163   73:20
14   3:124   39   4:075   64   8:016   89   8:74   114   09:111   139   48:15   164   76:08
15   3:125   40   4:076   65   8:017   90   8:75   115   09:120   140   48:16
16   3:126   41   4:077   66   8:039   91   9:05   116   09:122   141   48:17
17   3:140   42   4:084   67   8:040   92   9:12   117   09:123   142   48:18
18   3:141   43   4:089   68   8:041   93   9:13   118   16:110   143   48:19
19   3:142   44   4:090   69   8:042   94   9:14   119   22:039   144   48:20
20   3:143   45   4:091   70   8:043   95   9:16   120   22:058   145   48:21
21   3:146   46   4:094   71   8:044   96   9:19   121   22:078   146   48:22
22   3:152   47   4:095   72   8:045   97   9:20   122   24:053   147   48:23
23   3:153   48   4:100   73   8:046   98   9:24   123   24:055   148   48:24
24   3:154   49   4:101   74   8:047   99   9:25   124   25:052   149   49:15
25   3:155   50   4:102   75   8:048   100   9:26   125   29:006   150   59:02


Are they in the KORAN..YES or NO..[qoute]

do you know really the meaning of JIHAD ? YES or NO..

The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.and it can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believe

but hey this dont fit in your hate campaingne does it ??

Simple answer that's all you need to say ..

Now if you say the BIBLE has bad stuff in it ok ban that too..
I don't care it's all fairy tales 21st century and i need proof ..


God said you must give me your BITCOINS ..No you wouldn't believe would you only when it suits you..

No but he did say give popcorn1 all your crypto so you can go to heaven ..

And i will feed the poor      YES i am poor so i will feed myself..

Oh simple YES or NO will be fine..
Yes Koran has good bits in it BUT it has many many bad bits in it too so because it's all fairy tales
what's the point ..

BAD BOOK of stupid lies ..Bible is the same    they all are bullshit..

Now forget your religion and wake up ..
You can be nice without preaching BULLSHIT you know..

if you know /knew the Quran from your own research you can see that you are wrong.. the fault you all are making is , you see man-act as religion...

but hey i have no intense to convert you  to anything , if you are happy with your thought so be it , but i hate (as you do ) LIARS and rumorsspreadders. what i oftenly see here ....

[MarconyGL]

I do not care about any religion. I do not understand why people show such open hatred of different religions just because they do not want to respect someone else's choice.

[Spendulus]

....
if you know /knew the Quran from your own research you can see that you are wrong.. the fault you all are making is , you see man-act as religion...

but hey i have no intense to convert you  to anything , if you are happy with your thought so be it , but i hate (as you do ) LIARS and rumorsspreadders. what i oftenly see here ....

...So you hate the practice of Takiyya?

Lying when it benefits Islam? Because there certainly is a lot of that on this thread.

Don't you have to love lying in this circumstance?



Maybe it's the truth that others say that you hate. Maybe what you hate is they don't let you get away with all the Takiyya.

[whaawh]

If you look at what is happening around us in every country where people explode and are being killed, then you involuntarily begin to hate Muslims and Suspense Islam. But we must understand that Muslims also hate other people. These issues need not only to be discussed, but somehow. He has very, very, very much hatred in people accumulated recently.

[kaltun]

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if you know /knew the Quran from your own research you can see that you are wrong.. the fault you all are making is , you see man-act as religion...

but hey i have no intense to convert you  to anything , if you are happy with your thought so be it , but i hate (as you do ) LIARS and rumorsspreadders. what i oftenly see here ....

...So you hate the practice of Takiyya?

Lying when it benefits Islam? Because there certainly is a lot of that on this thread.

Don't you have to love lying in this circumstance?



Maybe it's the truth that others say that you hate. Maybe what you hate is they don't let you get away with all the Takiyya.

really , is it that hard to understand me


what says Quran about taqiyya:
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for protectors rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully [quran 3:28]

done.... doesnt matter what others say or other books say.. this says the holy Quran .... and is this evil  YES or NO and dont come to me with man-act stories...

[RamBahadur.Gurung]

After seeing what the Muslims are doing in my country, I can't trust them. Although they are just around 4% of the population, they are engaged in a lot of nefarious activities. They trick minor girls, and then sell them to the brothels in India and the gulf nations. Also, a lot of them are engaged in drug trafficking and counterfeit banknote production.

[bryant.coleman]

This is a question that should be asked mostly of Muslims in Muslim lands. After all, if one of them looks like he is turning against the religion, the rest of them beat him or kill him. The reason they do this is so that they don't get beaten or killed.

This is a question that should be asked of Muslims in Muslim lands.

Your ideas over this topic is completely true. Muslims people hate each other than non-muslims do. In islamic countries , they are killing their own brothers , sisters just for not practising properly their religious duties. This are the real hater in their own society. This is insane for sure.

That is how Islam establishes itself in a country. Take Afghanistan for example. Until a few hundred years ago, Afghanistan was a mostly Hindu and Buddhist nation. Things changed once Islam arrived there. The Hindus and the Buddhists were converted forcibly to Islam. The few remaining non-Muslims were terrorized in to submission. But in due course, most of the non-Muslims either converted to Islam, or fled to some other country. So they started targeting the Shiites and the moderates.

[Spendulus]

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if you know /knew the Quran from your own research you can see that you are wrong.. the fault you all are making is , you see man-act as religion...

but hey i have no intense to convert you  to anything , if you are happy with your thought so be it , but i hate (as you do ) LIARS and rumorsspreadders. what i oftenly see here ....

...So you hate the practice of Takiyya?

Lying when it benefits Islam? Because there certainly is a lot of that on this thread.

Don't you have to love lying in this circumstance?



Maybe it's the truth that others say that you hate. Maybe what you hate is they don't let you get away with all the Takiyya.

really , is it that hard to understand me


what says Quran about taqiyya:
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for protectors rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully [quran 3:28]

done.... doesnt matter what others say or other books say.. this says the holy Quran .... and is this evil  YES or NO and dont come to me with man-act stories...

So you don't hate Takiyya but consider it holy.

Got it. Holy lying.

By the way, a more complete discussion is here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

A brief excerpt.

In 2004, Lebanese Druze scholar Sami Makarem published the monograph Al Taqiyya Fi Al Islam ("Dissimulation in Islam"), arguing that the concept should be considered "mainstream" and ubiquitous in modern Islamic politics,

    "Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." (p. 7, trans. Raymond Ibrahim).