Do you hate muslems?

[joebrook]

i dont hate all muslim that not doing terrors.

OK.. fair enough. Now tell me how are you going to distinguish those Muslims who commit terrorist attacks from the others. It is impossible to differentiate them. They can be educated or uneducated. They can be male or female. They can be children or elderly. How will you identify them?

From the way they talk , it will be easy to identity radical muslims from the non radical ones, and education has nothing whatsoever to do with it . There are educated terroand non educated ones and mostly the ones who are educated very well in Islamic Religion, those are the inclined to be terrorists.

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[betMaster]

if you're hating because of terrorism just put in mind that france killed a Million innocent citizen in Algeria in the 50's , USA killed lots of innocent people in her war with Iraq trying to  seize  their oil . Every nation and religion have extremists individuals that you can't control them, so don't let the actions of few hundreds of people makes you hate one Billion muslim around the wrold.

[Sithara007]

if you're hating because of terrorism just put in mind that france killed a Million innocent citizen in Algeria in the 50's , USA killed lots of innocent people in her war with Iraq trying to  seize  their oil . Every nation and religion have extremists individuals that you can't control them, so don't let the actions of few hundreds of people makes you hate one Billion muslim around the wrold.

France killed those Algerians because they were fighting against its colonial regime. USA also invaded Iraq to get hold of the oil and natural resources. But the case with Muslims is different. They are killing non-Muslims because they believe in a different religion.

[kaltun]

if you're hating because of terrorism just put in mind that france killed a Million innocent citizen in Algeria in the 50's , USA killed lots of innocent people in her war with Iraq trying to  seize  their oil . Every nation and religion have extremists individuals that you can't control them, so don't let the actions of few hundreds of people makes you hate one Billion muslim around the wrold.

France killed those Algerians because they were fighting against its colonial regime. USA also invaded Iraq to get hold of the oil and natural resources. But the case with Muslims is different. They are killing non-Muslims because they believe in a different religion.

yes spread your lies , go .....

France did genocide... hey but they are not Muslims , so is not bad

USA also invaded Iraq to get hold of the oil and natural resources. But the case with Muslims is different. They are killing non-Muslims because they believe in a different religion. ..... what a lame reaction.... because its America they may do what they want....... making whole country unstable , but they can do it because they not Muslims......

Rwandese genocide is happened whole fucking world looked the other way .......

Bosnian genocide ---> they butchered MUSLIMS but hey it was in the past ( 1995)

They are killing non-Muslims 

what an dom reply they are killing everyone especially muslim ... but hey doesnt matter who they killing ...their MUSLIM and killing people ......

for the 1000000 time , its the greed of the human kind, its the act of an humankind its an emotinal act of an humankind ......it not the (true)religion who is doing this....

wake up and see the truth ......

[kaltun]

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if you know /knew the Quran from your own research you can see that you are wrong.. the fault you all are making is , you see man-act as religion...

but hey i have no intense to convert you  to anything , if you are happy with your thought so be it , but i hate (as you do ) LIARS and rumorsspreadders. what i oftenly see here ....

...So you hate the practice of Takiyya?

Lying when it benefits Islam? Because there certainly is a lot of that on this thread.

Don't you have to love lying in this circumstance?



Maybe it's the truth that others say that you hate. Maybe what you hate is they don't let you get away with all the Takiyya.

really , is it that hard to understand me


what says Quran about taqiyya:
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for protectors rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully [quran 3:28]

done.... doesnt matter what others say or other books say.. this says the holy Quran .... and is this evil  YES or NO and dont come to me with man-act stories...

So you don't hate Takiyya but consider it holy.

Got it. Holy lying.

By the way, a more complete discussion is here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

A brief excerpt.

In 2004, Lebanese Druze scholar Sami Makarem published the monograph Al Taqiyya Fi Al Islam ("Dissimulation in Islam"), arguing that the concept should be considered "mainstream" and ubiquitous in modern Islamic politics,

    "Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." (p. 7, trans. Raymond Ibrahim).

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

[Ammigo13]

In every religion there is something bad and something good. I see no reason to hate people just because they chose Islam. There are many good people among them.

[Spendulus]

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not.

[kaltun]

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not.

darn ,  i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand.......

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.

what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie....

like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question...

We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS......

and yet i follow the Quran ......


who can give me honest answer to my next question .....

If the Quran ( you know the SOURCE OF MUSLIM) forbid something and some Muslims doing this forbidding thing also , so who is to blame ....
the Book or the Human ??

lets check what kind reply i get ......

[Spendulus]

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not.

darn ,  i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand.......

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.

what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie....

like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question...

We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS......

and yet i follow the Quran ......

Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. What people care about is that since 9/11, Muslims have done more than 31,000 terrorist and suicide attacks. These guys go to mosques, they get indoctrinated then go out and do their attacks. You know it, I know it. They're Muslims. Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!"

We've heard that before. Don't waste your time trying to impress people that "My version of Islam is the RIGHT ONE!" Nobody cares. It's the Internet. As far as I am concerned, any version of Islam is the wrong one. You can leave Islam, you know. There are support groups for people who chose to leave.

The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims.

Similarly, what matters are the diverse ways of justifying and rationalizing violence that Muslims achieve. Not that you have an opinion that "Islam is peace."

[kaltun]

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not.

darn ,  i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand.......

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.

what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie....

like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question...

We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS......

and yet i follow the Quran ......

Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. What people care about is that since 9/11, Muslims have done more than 31,000 terrorist and suicide attacks. These guys go to mosques, they get indoctrinated then go out and do their attacks. You know it, I know it. They're Muslims. Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!"

We've heard that before. Don't waste your time trying to impress people that "My version of Islam is the RIGHT ONE!" Nobody cares. It's the Internet. As far as I am concerned, any version of Islam is the wrong one. You can leave Islam, you know. There are support groups for people who chose to leave.

The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims.

Similarly, what matters are the diverse ways of justifying and rationalizing violence that Muslims achieve. Not that you have an opinion that "Islam is peace."

yup your real human feelings coming above:

Nobody cares how you do what you think is right.

but your thoughts are very important ....pfffff   , what an lame reply , i am not an human so my thoughts is nothing .....
you guys telling lies and spreadding fuds about my religion and if i am pointing the real message , you know what the source of Muslims says , then it doesnt count , cause i do not spread fud or lies..   sooo pity this .... only me my self and i .....

Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!"

second sinds WHEN are you the voice of the people ?? which people   and NO WHERE i am telling that i am the true Muslim, i only say that the hadiths are not part of the QURAN and most of the Muslims are walking the path of sunnah ( willingly or not).

and if you think this is wasting of time, then dont come here , dont read the replys and please do not reply here anymore.....

We've heard that before.

WHO ARE WE

The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims.

is this so hard to follow ?? you ask me and i ve gave you answer , but my answer didnt satisfied your thoughts...... and still no answer to my question , even i made big and readable ....

[Spendulus]

this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it

again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not.

darn ,  i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand.......

What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.

what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie....

like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question...

We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God."

you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS......

and yet i follow the Quran ......

Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. What people care about is that since 9/11, Muslims have done more than 31,000 terrorist and suicide attacks. These guys go to mosques, they get indoctrinated then go out and do their attacks. You know it, I know it. They're Muslims. Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!"

We've heard that before. Don't waste your time trying to impress people that "My version of Islam is the RIGHT ONE!" Nobody cares. It's the Internet. As far as I am concerned, any version of Islam is the wrong one. You can leave Islam, you know. There are support groups for people who chose to leave.

The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims.

Similarly, what matters are the diverse ways of justifying and rationalizing violence that Muslims achieve. Not that you have an opinion that "Islam is peace."

yup your real human feelings coming above:

Nobody cares how you do what you think is right.

but your thoughts are very important ....pfffff   , what an lame reply , i am not an human so my thoughts is nothing .....
you guys telling lies and spreadding fuds about my religion and if i am pointing the real message , you know what the source of Muslims says , then it doesnt count , cause i do not spread fud or lies..   sooo pity this .... only me my self and i .....

Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!"

second sinds WHEN are you the voice of the people ?? which people  and NO WHERE i am telling that i am the true Muslim, i only say that the hadiths are not part of the QURAN and most of the Muslims are walking the path of sunnah ( willingly or not).

and if you think this is wasting of time, then dont come here , dont read the replys and please do not reply here anymore.....

We've heard that before.

WHO ARE WE

The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims.

is this so hard to follow ?? you ask me and i ve gave you answer , but my answer didnt satisfied your thoughts...... and still no answer to my question , even i made big and readable ....

The "WE" is Western non-Islam people on bitcointalk forums. We've seen Muslims justify stoning women to death, justifying death to the Evil Jews, you name it, it's been publicly posted to these threads. Go back and look through them.

The reason nobody bothered to answer "your question" is no different than the reason nobody bothers to answer someone else's question who posts a religious quote from the bible and attempts to convert people or display their true faith. Nobody cares about the quote from the old book, they care about the way people act and the things that people do.

[kaltun]

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The "WE" is Western non-Islam people on bitcointalk forums. We've seen Muslims justify stoning women to death, justifying death to the Evil Jews, you name it, it's been publicly posted to these threads. Go back and look through them.

The reason nobody bothered to answer "your question" is no different than the reason nobody bothers to answer someone else's question who posts a religious quote from the bible and attempts to convert people or display their true faith. Nobody cares about the quote from the old book, they care about the way people act and the things that people do.

my advice to you is , learn how to read ...

nowhere i try to convert you guys, i even know its even useless .., again i only react here is you guys are spreading lies and rumors about the Quran....

btw you know what  funny is, i have no right to convert you but you have to right to get rid of my religion ....

so everybody can / may reply to this thread , but not me, cause nobody wants my opinion ( i thought this is an forum , where everybody can discuss)

but i see indeed what kind this thread is.....

so pity how some people cannot handle the truth.....

still no answer to my question, why cause i am nobody....

so be it ....

[Spendulus]

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The "WE" is Western non-Islam people on bitcointalk forums. We've seen Muslims justify stoning women to death, justifying death to the Evil Jews, you name it, it's been publicly posted to these threads. Go back and look through them.

The reason nobody bothered to answer "your question" is no different than the reason nobody bothers to answer someone else's question who posts a religious quote from the bible and attempts to convert people or display their true faith. Nobody cares about the quote from the old book, they care about the way people act and the things that people do.

my advice to you is , learn how to read ...

nowhere i try to convert you guys, i even know its even useless .., again i only react here is you guys are spreading lies and rumors about the Quran....

btw you know what  funny is, i have no right to convert you but you have to right to get rid of my religion ....

so everybody can / may reply to this thread , but not me, cause nobody wants my opinion ( i thought this is an forum , where everybody can discuss)

but i see indeed what kind this thread is.....

so pity how some people cannot handle the truth.....

still no answer to my question, why cause i am nobody....

so be it ....

The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran."

That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument.

This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

[kaltun]

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The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran."

That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument.

This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

thus my opinion / thought counting also , nice to see that

so lets sum up some :

there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough.

please give me some bad verse ... please come not with pages copy past from anti-Islam sites and do not come with uncomplete verse( you know verses who didnt pullout from his context)  simple one or to verses , so i can reply to it....

but if you not gonna read my reply , say it to me so i dont have waste my time....

most what you guys quote is from Hadiths. you guys see i human act and telling its from Quran....this is not true....

and then :

However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

hahaha , i misrepresent my opponents argument with telling the truth , but ofcourse you will see this way , otherwise it would not fit in your idea about the Quran......

i am trying  to defend here the Quran , not what other Muslims says or do ....... , in Islam are every human being reponsoble to his own deeds ( good or bad) so i have no right to call someone not muslim or not beleaver or beleaver ( as human being ofcourse i have my thoughts what i think whats is right or wrong, but this only my truth , i cant see whats in your head or someone else, so i only can assume ... and guess what assuming is not enough)

Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

frankly you dont even know the difference between Quran ( you know the the SOURCE of the Muslims) and hadiths

i give you right , i see so much terror and chaos among "muslim "countries , but again is this the fault of the Quran

and again still no answer to my question again ..... and this way were rolling around a circle.......

gonna try ask again , i know its a very difficult question:

If the Quran ( you know the SOURCE OF MUSLIM) forbid something and some Muslims doing this forbidding thing also , so who is to blame ....
the Book or the Human Huh??

[Moloch]

Christians and Muslims be like:



Atheists be like:

[popcorn1]

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The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran."

That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument.

This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

thus my opinion / thought counting also , nice to see that

so lets sum up some :

there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough.

please give me some bad verse ... please come not with pages copy past from anti-Islam sites and do not come with uncomplete verse( you know verses who didnt pullout from his context)  simple one or to verses , so i can reply to it....

but if you not gonna read my reply , say it to me so i dont have waste my time....

most what you guys quote is from Hadiths. you guys see i human act and telling its from Quran....this is not true....

and then :

However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

hahaha , i misrepresent my opponents argument with telling the truth , but ofcourse you will see this way , otherwise it would not fit in your idea about the Quran......

i am trying  to defend here the Quran , not what other Muslims says or do ....... , in Islam are every human being reponsoble to his own deeds ( good or bad) so i have no right to call someone not muslim or not beleaver or beleaver ( as human being ofcourse i have my thoughts what i think whats is right or wrong, but this only my truth , i cant see whats in your head or someone else, so i only can assume ... and guess what assuming is not enough)

Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

frankly you dont even know the difference between Quran ( you know the the SOURCE of the Muslims) and hadiths

i give you right , i see so much terror and chaos among "muslim "countries , but again is this the fault of the Quran

and again still no answer to my question again ..... and this way were rolling around a circle.......

gonna try ask again , i know its a very difficult question:

If the Quran ( you know the SOURCE OF MUSLIM) forbid something and some Muslims doing this forbidding thing also , so who is to blame ....
the Book or the Human Huh??

You skip past the bad bits BUT some Muslims DON'T

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims...

Muslims even think they will get there hearts healed ..

So does that mean if i am a Muslim and me wife leaves or dies i can heal my HEART by killing none
Muslims?..
And i wonder how many do do this ACTION ..Well your manual tell you it will HEAL YOUR HEARTS ..


THE NASTY BITS OF THE KORAN BELOW ..

9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.
9:2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.
9:9 They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.
9:10 They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors.
9:11 But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know.
9:12 And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun the attack upon you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.
9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people.


YOU ARE A BORN LIAR..

[popcorn1]

Kaltun the video below will explain MUSLIMS oh and not just Muslims ALL RELIGION  ..

Kaltun it reminds me of you on here..

Video 1:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EVzoolYugA

[Sithara007]

In every religion there is something bad and something good. I see no reason to hate people just because they chose Islam. There are many good people among them.

Can you give me an example of another religion, which has 109 verses in its holy book, which urges its followers to wage a holy war on the non-believers? It is wrong to compare Islam with other religions.

[Spendulus]

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The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran."

That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument.

This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.

thus my opinion / thought counting also , nice to see that

so lets sum up some :

there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough.

please give me some bad verse ... please come not with pages copy past from anti-Islam sites and do not come with uncomplete verse( you know verses who didnt pullout from his context)  simple one or to verses , so i can reply to it....

but if you not gonna read my reply , say it to me so i dont have waste my time....

most what you guys quote is from Hadiths. you guys see i human act and telling its from Quran....this is not true....

and then :

However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.

hahaha , i misrepresent my opponents argument with telling the truth , but ofcourse you will see this way , otherwise it would not fit in your idea about the Quran......

i am trying  to defend here the Quran , not what other Muslims says or do ............

When I said...
there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough.
...I refer to the reality of the cruel societies and backward cultures seen where the primary religion is Islam. It's a silly little game for children you'd like to play, quoting verses and arguing over them.


So I guess you agree you've misrepresented or ignored my arguments to make a point you wanted to make. Yes, that's mis representing an opponent's arguments and speech.

But since you are focused on one old book, just for fun and to keep you busy, here is a list of contradictions and problems in your favorite book.

http://www.rim.org/muslim/quranproblems.htm

Here is a list of scientific errors.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

Here is a list of historical errors.
http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv7.html

Have fun!

[ImHash]

This is where we part our ways, no matter what we say and no matter what you say, we'll be standing on the opposite sides of the road, the only solution is that you keeping whatever you think it's right and vice versa, and we're willing to die fighting for our cause which is given to us not just by a book but in reality and in our daily lives, when we read our holy book we actually experience most of the truth in our lives and that's why we become a true believer, you know that you would never believe in some cause so deeply if you never see any signs of truth. we'll continue killing you and you will also do the same, we will settle our differences not in this world but in the next.