Satoshi Nakamoto is 100% a US/UK government agency collaboration

[abs350]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts
* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.
* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

[AgentofCoin]

...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

[vodaljepa]

I always thought the government was involved, simple as that

[DesignDerby.co.uk]

Interesting, can somebody verify how true the said statements are? Quite scary actually, makes you wonder if bitcoin is as secure as its made out to be.

[DaveJones]

You assume everything was done in a few months and so it must have been a team effort.

When you look at the background, you can tell that Bitcoin was in the planning for several years before being made public.

[franky1]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts

i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing. the only reason why we write american style on forums and facebook etc is because of that annoying red spellcheck line that appears under british words, so we tend to right click and accept the closest relevant spelling just to get rid of it.  
its as simple as that. annoying web browser spell checks

* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.

satoshi pseudonym was used by 1 individual.. but that individual didnt invent everything from scratch. many coders are known to use existing resources and include elements from other sources.
satoshi was talking to many people, cypherfunks, sourceforge, IRC, even this forum was developed so that he could collaborate with others.
no denying that,
but it was satoshi, a single entity/person that put all the puzzle pieces of other peoples work together into one seamless and working project. even the white paper credits multiple people on the last page.. so yes, its true he didnt make every technology from scratch, many coders use functions that already exist.. but it was satoshi that pieced it together and utilised other peoples ideas in ways no one else thought of

* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.

they were testing it for months. infact on day one, satoshi (again only one person using the pseudonym) had people like hal finney, |)ruid and others all working together and debugging it as they went on. if you compare the very very first release of bitcoin in january 2009 to lets say the release in december 2009, the code is very different. because there were bugs. and by the time of december 2009 there were dozens of people working with bitcoin, debugging and adding new code/features.
even in 2016 its not perfect, many people say that satoshi could/should have gone in a different direction or included different code libraries.. so satoshi was not god.
he was though the single inventer that made the puzzle complete. utilising other peoples puzzle pieces and then open sourcing his puzzle to debug it

* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

it was released late part of 2008 actually, but oh well

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

nah, the spelling is due to the racist nature of web browsers thinking that america dominates the world and makes people spell american style purely by having that irritating red line underneath british spellings. where as adobe and microsoft word (offline writing tools) are less racist and let UK folk write how we want without much irritation. so i can easily see why the PDF looks more british than online posts

as for the technology being american government.. well actually TCP/IP, HTML, Java, C++ was an international effort. but highly adopted later by america, and then the whole world had to pander to the american way.

so assuming he must be american purely because he used the internet and c++.. shows you might not be thinking out side of the box..

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

so after that long amount of assumptions.. even your subconcious mind truly thinks satoshi was a single person.. by you saying "his silence" instead of "their silence".
im safe to assume you have yet to truly convince yourself that satoshi wasnt just one entity. whether you realise it or not

all in all i dont think satoshi was a god.
and here is an analogy.
many many many years ago, people realised they could turn wheat into flour
many many many years ago, people realised eggs could be eaten by humans
many many many years ago, people realised cows milk was not just for calves
many many many years ago, people realised putting these things together made dough
many many many years ago, people realised sugar tasted nice and sweet
many many many years ago, people realised food colourings added nice aesthetics to otherwise bland looking food.

but it was only one person that made the very first fully decorated colourful icing cake. by  putting it all together
and then within hours others helped by making it better tweaking the ingredients colours, amount of icing, adding a bit of chocolate to improve flavouring.
(basically debugging it as the cake wasnt perfect)
(not important side note: while writing this i have irritating red lines for colour and flavour, but i didnt edit them to make a point)

iced cakes today are not the exact same recipe as that very first invention.. and is it really important that the first cake chef is discovered and praised as a god? or do we just eat our cake and be happy

[Gleb Gamow]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts
* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.
* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

I quit reading immediately prior to the third " * ".

EDIT: Nice sig. And, in a couple days are you going to start a new topic on your theory about mybitcoin.com?

[owm123]

...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.

Tor was developed originally by  United States Naval Research Laboratory, so why Bitcoin could not be similar project. There are already many speculations about NSA and bItcoin, e.g.:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

[Rubberduckie]

we are through the looking glass here people!!!

Satoshi was the second gunman on the grassy knoll

[cjmoles]

World governments had been working on methods to avoid what they saw in the future of digital technologies.  The concept of decentralized digital currency has been around for a very long time; consequently, in the 1990's, world governments were collectively working on methods to PREVENT the inevitable: Bitcoin. 

Reference: http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1561&context=ilj

[helloeverybody]

It would actually make some sense if bitcoin was government created, that would explain why satoshis coins havent moved yet, His million coins at current prices arent really a drop in the ocean for most goverments but should bitcoin price rise exponentially then one day whichever government did own bitcoin could make good use of the funds they would then have available from it.

[owm123]

It would actually make some sense if bitcoin was government created, that would explain why satoshis coins havent moved yet, His million coins at current prices arent really a drop in the ocean for most goverments but should bitcoin price rise exponentially then one day whichever government did own bitcoin could make good use of the funds they would then have available from it.

More likely is that he/she is not moving his coins is that everyone is watching his address. Any move can lead to his de-anonymization, as sooner or later the coins would end up on exchanges.

[Amph]

It would actually make some sense if bitcoin was government created, that would explain why satoshis coins havent moved yet, His million coins at current prices arent really a drop in the ocean for most goverments but should bitcoin price rise exponentially then one day whichever government did own bitcoin could make good use of the funds they would then have available from it.

More likely is that he/she is not moving his coins is that everyone is watching his address. Any move can lead to his de-anonymization, as sooner or later the coins would end up on exchanges.

well in the end he must use those coins, unless he is not moving those because he want to give a donation of the comunity... the old story about less supply so the other coins will have more value

[Zeroxal]

It would actually make some sense if bitcoin was government created, that would explain why satoshis coins havent moved yet, His million coins at current prices arent really a drop in the ocean for most goverments but should bitcoin price rise exponentially then one day whichever government did own bitcoin could make good use of the funds they would then have available from it.

More likely is that he/she is not moving his coins is that everyone is watching his address. Any move can lead to his de-anonymization, as sooner or later the coins would end up on exchanges.

How do you know that he only owns one address holding all his bitcoins than holding several thousands holding a portion of his bitcoins?
It's proven that the FYI holds more than 200000 bitcoins, but the biggest wallet holds 160k.

There are millions of transactions every day, satoshi could just split the whole transactions and exchange his bitcoins.

[maku]

*Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts

Ever considered that he was using an auto-correction functionality in his browser or something? He could have set it to 'traditional English'  instead of US English.
And in his text editor he could have set US correction by default or something. Some people don't care about that.

* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do

I know some people who have similar manner of speaking. They like to intertwine 'I' with 'We' when talking about their project or something.
He might also thought of bitcoin community as a whole - hence 'we' use instead of 'I'.

[Erkallys]

Even if this is certainly false, that's still funny ! For the use of "we" instead of "I", he mean the whole community. Satoshi is a genuis, nothing is too big for him. Some people invented much more, so I don't think that someone like him couldn't be able to so something "as little" as Bitcoin.

[Daniel91]

I can only agree that bitcoin is probably made by group of people, not individual, because it's to complex and to big project.
But, you didn't provide any concrete evidence or fact that a US/UK government agency is behind bitcoin.
What will be their motivation to start such project?
You have just nice theory but nothing concrete.

[bargainbin]

... For the use of "we" instead of "I", he mean the whole community. Satoshi is a genuis, nothing is too big for him. ...

He certainly is a genuis, and that's why you're rong. Satoshi often used royal plural, because he knew he was a genuis.

[Erkallys]

... For the use of "we" instead of "I", he mean the whole community. Satoshi is a genuis, nothing is too big for him. ...

He certainly is a genuis, and that's why you're rong. Satoshi often used royal plural, because he knew he was a genuis.

I'm sorry, but the link you put on royal plural give an Error 404 page. However, I'm sure you're right, and this may be the right explanation.

[bargainbin]

^Sorry, try now.

[calkob]

What part do the aliens have to play in it?   

[Thekool1s]

Bitcoin is the currency of the new one world order! What sets the fiat apart from bitcoin is the fact that it is limited. So when people say goodbye to fiat they will have bitcoin as an alternative. But i wont mind that, atleast its better than fiat. Less fees, anonymous etc

[labwork]

So many conspiracy theories! 


I don't think everything needs to be such a high-level "black ops/secretive/end of the world" stuff. It's just a well though algorithm people!

[n2004al]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts
* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.
* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

So, if I have understand correctly the post of OP and first of all the part in bold of it, we have a big secret project, which for sure and without any kind of doubt, (the being secure of OP is 100% and not 97% or 98.7865% but exactly 100%), was created firstly from Us Government and then - rethinking well and adding some details not catches before (which have to do with an extremely important and not possible to deny detail - the spelling) - correcting the author, a product even of UK Government. Then those two Governments probably had fear to release publicly their project and its product (bitcoin and blockchain) and asked the help of Satoshi Nakamoto promising to him the first 1 million produced bitcoin. But with one condition. Satoshi must disappear after a while and after the having its part of bitcoin. Then The US Government (in accordance with UK Government) will order Fed to study their work in order to learn about what is talking about and to see the possibility to apply that technology when and where FED will think is more profitable for FED and the US Government.

Finally the big secret is known. Everyone who have anxiety about this event now can make sweet dreams.  

[cjmoles]

What part do the aliens have to play in it?    

That's the sweetest part of the whole bitcoin black-ops project.  Now aliens can get their hands on US dollars without actually having to sneak into the country to get them.  It was the main focus of the project....to decentralize the currency so that the aliens could get it without trespassing.  It all makes perfect sense now!

[bargainbin]

What part do the aliens have to play in it?    

That's the sweetest part of the whole bitcoin black-ops project.  Now aliens can get their hands on US dollars without actually having to sneak into the country to get them.  It was the main focus of the project....to decentralize the currency so that the aliens could get it without trespassing.  It all makes perfect sense now!

Must reduce blogsize to aid decentralization -- Saurian miners at disadvantage due to due to poor & Great Galactic Firewall.

[AgentofCoin]

...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.
...

No one so far supporting the OPs argument has given a valid reason or the true intent of bitcoin, under the OPs assumption.
For the NSA to use this as a tool for watching certain people and their money move is fine. Any agency can do that now.
But the problem is that the surveillance is limited to only the current user base.
So why release it to watch a few people, buying and trading here and there?

In a few years, the Devs could potentially change Bitcoin so that txs are obfuscated and anonymous.
That would entirely destroy this theory of gov creation for surveillance or control.

And because of the foregoing, I'm going to say it is just an "experiment in economics for now and for reason".

[thejaytiesto]

...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.

Tor was developed originally by  United States Naval Research Laboratory, so why Bitcoin could not be similar project. There are already many speculations about NSA and bItcoin, e.g.:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

Are you kidding me? How can they even "hack Bitcoin transactions"? The only way they could do this is if SHA2 had some sort of backdoor and even then I doubt it would be that easy. Also if SHA2 had a backdoor (I dont understand how something open source can have a backdoor?) it would end up leaking and it would be a disaster for global economy since most of the stuff is encrypted with that algorithm.

[Kprawn]

Let's say it's some sort of government experiment.... What would be the possible goal for that? The code is OpenSource... So nothing can be hidden,

without other nations developers spotting it. The developers are from different countries and the most hashing power are centered around China. If,

it was some sort of government project... I would say, they failed miserably. Let's just accept the facts and continue with the experiment.

[155UE]

I really doubt it was created by the government. I really don't see a point why they would try and make something like it and many government people don't support it.

[Erkallys]

...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.

Tor was developed originally by  United States Naval Research Laboratory, so why Bitcoin could not be similar project. There are already many speculations about NSA and bItcoin, e.g.:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

Are you kidding me? How can they even "hack Bitcoin transactions"? The only way they could do this is if SHA2 had some sort of backdoor and even then I doubt it would be that easy. Also if SHA2 had a backdoor (I dont understand how something open source can have a backdoor?) it would end up leaking and it would be a disaster for global economy since most of the stuff is encrypted with that algorithm.

Isn't Bitcoin's algorithm SHA-256 instead of SHA-2 ? Maybe is it the same thing, or at least the same "protocol" ?

[franky1]

Isn't Bitcoin's algorithm SHA-256 instead of SHA-2 ? Maybe is it the same thing, or at least the same "protocol" ?

sha 2, is like the category or brief way of saying it

sha3 is the same. it has some variations (Schnorr being one of them)

but to be specific to bitcoin.. its secp256k1

[twister]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

And as far as his writing is concerned, maybe Satoshi hired a few people to do certain jobs and one of those jobs was to write a paper on it professionally and he then hired few proof readers, who could have been from UK/USA and must have edited a few things according to them.

[CuntChocula]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

[gentlemand]

So Bitcoin is the creation of some of the most powerful people in the world? At least I'll be a wealthy slave. And I'll probably grant my dogsbodies a couple of hours recreation per week even though I don't need to.

[AgentofCoin]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

What you stated can be said for all forms of payment, including online payments
such as gift cards, paypal, and things like skrill & etc.

Why would a government release Bitcoin/bitcoin, creating a Pandora's box of
unknown future possibilities that is uncontrollable and hurtful to that creator nation?

That is like saying a government would release a whitepaper on how to create a nuclear bomb
from materials found within the average household, so that they can monitor who will use it.
Now that it is public knowledge, there is great risk of destruction of what already exists.
By releasing it, they themselves caused their own eventual destruction.

If it is indeed a government operation, there needs to be a better reasoning to release it,
that outweighs the uncontrollable paradigm shift. Just to watch "criminals and nuts" is too simple.

[virtualdn]

If this is true and you own at least 1 BTC very soon you will be rich my friend

[CuntChocula]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

What you stated can be said for all forms of payment, including online payments
such as gift cards, paypal, and things like skrill & etc.

You'd have a great point there if DNMs accepted gift cards and PayPal. I'll let you figure out why they don't, as a thought exercise.

Why would a government release Bitcoin/bitcoin, creating a Pandora's box of
unknown future possibilities that is uncontrollable and hurtful to that creator nation?

What you're really asking is "why would a government create something it couldn't control." The answer to that is "It obviously wouldn't."
Which means that they can control it. Or have some sort of back door/kill switch/shit we know nothing about but they do.

That is like saying a government would release a whitepaper on how to create a nuclear bomb
from materials found within the average household, so that they can monitor who will use it.
Now that it is public knowledge, there is great risk of destruction of what already exists.
By releasing it, they themselves caused their own eventual destruction.

No, it's like a government releasing a whitepaper on how to create a nuclear bomb
from materials found within the average household, and then watch people downloading that white paper, and buying the household chem.
Caveat: The bomb, when built per gov. plans, is as menacing as a big cuddly stuffy. You only think you're building a bomb, the feds just watch & lel.

If it is indeed a government operation, there needs to be a better reasoning to release it,
that outweighs the uncontrollable paradigm shift. Just to watch "criminals and nuts" is too simple.

If you could understand how Bitcoin is a honeypot, it wouldn't be much of a honeypot now, would it?

[vrm86]

Genesis block has been mined 7 years ago - how many criminals have been tracked down and arrested with the help of BTC blockchain technology already? Even the closure of the first Silk Road was just the old-fashioned inside job.

If you could understand how Bitcoin is a honeypot, it wouldn't be much of a honeypot now, would it?

Nooo, THEY want you to think that way to encourage you to perform some illegal activity :>

[ShrykeZ]

There's a certain value to every theory I guess, but until the real Satoshi be it a group or single individual turn up all this will be is a theory. An interesting theory though "100%"? There isn't enough proof for that.

[AgentofCoin]

...

You'd have a great point there if DNMs accepted gift cards and PayPal. I'll let you figure out why they don't, as a thought exercise.

I don't know what DNMs are, so I can't speculate.

...

What you're really asking is "why would a government create something it couldn't control." The answer to that is "It obviously wouldn't."
Which means that they can control it. Or have some sort of back door/kill switch/shit we know nothing about but they do.

If that was true, since Bitcoin is open source, then the "backdoor" would reasonably be in the encryption aspect.
And if that is true, only three or less people in the Intel community are even aware of that information and
in theory would only be used during the highest of national interest reasons, such as preemptive attack on enemy
networks or other, prior to a full blown war, such as a World War 3 event.

No intelligence agency in their right mind would risk letting other nations know they can break
a type of encryption on a continual basis, just to monitor worthless information.
Zeroday exploits are always saved for a grand purpose, not for "criminals and nuts".

...

If you could understand how Bitcoin is a honeypot, it wouldn't be much of a honeypot now, would it?

Yes, but by that example, going to the toilet is a honey pot too, because I don't know how it is one.

[CuntChocula]

You'd have a great point there if DNMs accepted gift cards and PayPal. I'll let you figure out why they don't, as a thought exercise.

I don't know what DNMs are, so I can't speculate.

Dark Net Markets (though like yourself, I have no idea of what those are either )

...

What you're really asking is "why would a government create something it couldn't control." The answer to that is "It obviously wouldn't."
Which means that they can control it. Or have some sort of back door/kill switch/shit we know nothing about but they do.

If that was true, since Bitcoin is open source, then the "backdoor" would reasonably be in the encryption aspect.
And if that is true, only three or less people in the Intel community are even aware of that information and
in theory would only be used during the highest of national interest reasons, such as preemptive attack on enemy
networks or other, prior to a full blown war, such as a World War 3 event.

Lol, whatchabe talkin' about, Jasper? You ever fully audited the Bitcoin source? I don't mean glanced through to get the gist, or played around with a few functions, but really audited? No? Me neither. I'm sure plenty of other people had tho

No intelligence agency in their right mind would risk letting other nations know they can break
a type of encryption on a continual basis, just to monitor worthless information.
Zeroday exploits are always saved for a grand purpose, not for "criminals and nuts".

Because our world is a conglomerate of distinct and separate nation-states, existing in dynamic opposition to each other, each ruled by its own Grand Lizard government, exactly as it appears to be

...

If you could understand how Bitcoin is a honeypot, it wouldn't be much of a honeypot now, would it?

Yes, but by that example, going to the toilet is a honey pot too, because I don't know how it is one.

Your toilet is not a honeypot, trust me. Stop being so paranoid.

[AgentofCoin]

...

I don't think the DNMs existed prior to Bitcoin/bitcoin, but I could be incorrect.
So are you saying an argument is that a gov created Bitcoin/bitcoin so that they could facilitate the creation of DNMs?

Your toilet is not a honeypot, trust me. Stop being so paranoid.

[CuntChocula]

...

I don't think the DNMs existed prior to Bitcoin/bitcoin, but I could be incorrect.
So are you saying an argument is that a gov created Bitcoin/bitcoin so that they could facilitate the creation of DNMs?

I doubt the term "DNM" existed before Bitcoin, but there was plenty of criminality on the web. It was dispersed and a pain to track. There were also IRL drug dealers, running around all over IRL & making LEO get off their fat butts & get exercise.
Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!

http://s17.postimg.org/s25l6iqhr/neo1.jpg

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

[MicroGuy]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts
* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.
* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

The only thing this proves is that an intelligent team of creative people probably made bitcoin. () It's not a government project.

If it had been a government project, they wouldn't have let Blockstream/PWC pay off all the developers and take over command and control. It's not going to take 50 years for people to wake up to this fact. I think more like 5 days.

Why do you think core rejects sensible proposals to increase block size to 2MB? Conflicts of interest for their sugar daddy sponsor is the answer. 

[btcxyzzz]

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings).

No way. Governments have zero reasons to fix the money and make such thing opensourced for the betterment of masses. Massive Fiat fraud is what makes them insanely wealthy, to heal the economy, it's not in the interes of elite.

[Jeremycoin]

100%? You look so sure about this thing. But does it mean that Satoshi Nakamoto is not a real person?

[WhatTheGox]

I think satoshi is likely a group of people maybe gov/banking maybe not i dont know.  It is very interesting that OP pointed out the spelling differences this makes it likely mroe than 1 person.  Since the code is open source its cool imo.

[bitsmichel]

* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Merkle Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.

It's simply one or more people with a background in Computer Science and/or Math.  The technology at present is developed by multiple people, see github commits.  Whoever made bitcoin certainly had a lot of time on his/her hands.  In my opinion it could have been one person.

The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.

There was a crash due to a programming bug in the beginning of bitcoin. 

[bob123]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts
* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.
* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

I don't see why this should be a government project.
Professionality and Releases at the beinning of a year doesnt mean its made by Government.

[owm123]

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings).

No way. Governments have zero reasons to fix the money and make such thing opensourced for the betterment of masses. Massive Fiat fraud is what makes them insanely wealthy, to heal the economy, it's not in the interes of elite.

Tor was developed by United States Naval Research Laboratory, and it benefits greatly many ppl.

SHA-256 used by bitcion was developed by NSA, and it benefits Bitcoin.

So, having Bitcoin being government project, or a leaked project by some nsa employee hiding under pseduonym of Satoshi, could be possible:

http://thehackernews.com/2013/09/NSA-backdoor-bitcoin-encryption-sha256-snowden.html

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nsa-bitcoin-1996/

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

[twister]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught? So, why haven't they done it already, people are scamming left and right, some hackers were also extorting people with that virus (if you remember) that encrypted all the files, even the celebrity fappening was sold for bitcoins and I am sure there have been other crimes where criminals used bitcoins but I don't remember seeing anyone getting arrested. Sure some exchange guys did but they're not the hardcore criminals government is after.

[LiteCoinGuy]

[CuntChocula]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught?

I repeat, this "anonymity" is a fiction, here's reality:

...Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!...

So, why haven't they done it already, people are scamming left and right,

Wait, you don't think feds set up a honeypot to protect criminals from each other, do you? 'Coz that would be pretty rich

some hackers were also extorting people with that virus (if you remember) that encrypted all the files, even the celebrity fappening was sold for bitcoins and I am sure there have been other crimes where criminals used bitcoins but I don't remember seeing anyone getting arrested. Sure some exchange guys did but they're not the hardcore criminals government is after.

Like all sting/entrapment operations, this one takes time, and many khrimez go unpunished. Good things take time, OTOH a bunch of pedos/DNMs operators/low-level idiots got popped without compromising the honeypot & provided a bit of cheese to keep this scheme fed.
The best is yet to come!

... just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!

http://s17.postimg.org/s25l6iqhr/neo1.jpg

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

[DaveJones]

x-post

Unlikely that an American would accidentally use UK spellings, but it is very likely that someone from the UK would just give up having to always correct forced American spellings.

Also - remember that reference to the 'Times' headline? It was a British newspaper.

[BTCBinary]

In part I agree with your view. Bitcoin was introduced to the world as a completely anonymous currency when in fact today we know that it isn't. in fact, it is quite the contrary bitcoin can be easily trackable, and cash isn't. so, this way bitcoin becomes a tool for governments control how people use their money...

[Blawpaw]

Bitcoin is the first global currency. the whole idea goes bu the notion of a New World Order. Could it be an original illuminati caballa?

[NorrisK]

If it really was government created, why would those governments be so anal about legislation and trying to regulate it?

Also, giving the handle to random contributors to continue working on the code is also weird.

Any non native English speaker not from us/uk is bound to interchange the grammar, at least I know I do.

Your story just doesn't add up.

[twister]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught?

I repeat, this "anonymity" is a fiction, here's reality:

...Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!...

So, why haven't they done it already, people are scamming left and right,

Wait, you don't think feds set up a honeypot to protect criminals from each other, do you? 'Coz that would be pretty rich

some hackers were also extorting people with that virus (if you remember) that encrypted all the files, even the celebrity fappening was sold for bitcoins and I am sure there have been other crimes where criminals used bitcoins but I don't remember seeing anyone getting arrested. Sure some exchange guys did but they're not the hardcore criminals government is after.

Like all sting/entrapment operations, this one takes time, and many khrimez go unpunished. Good things take time, OTOH a bunch of pedos/DNMs operators/low-level idiots got popped without compromising the honeypot & provided a bit of cheese to keep this scheme fed.
The best is yet to come!

... just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!



BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Well my point about it being anonymous was, "if" as you say, it is a government project then they needed to convince the criminals that it is anonymous and if you think that it is not anonymous and it's all a fiction, then criminals must have figured that out too by now, so technically they (the government) failed in their project to catch big criminals with this.

But you seem pretty convinced about this idea so I won't try and change your mind but let's wait and watch if it is what you say it is. Although I really doubt it.

[CuntChocula]

Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught?

I repeat, this "anonymity" is a fiction, here's reality:

...Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!...

So, why haven't they done it already, people are scamming left and right,

Wait, you don't think feds set up a honeypot to protect criminals from each other, do you? 'Coz that would be pretty rich

some hackers were also extorting people with that virus (if you remember) that encrypted all the files, even the celebrity fappening was sold for bitcoins and I am sure there have been other crimes where criminals used bitcoins but I don't remember seeing anyone getting arrested. Sure some exchange guys did but they're not the hardcore criminals government is after.

Like all sting/entrapment operations, this one takes time, and many khrimez go unpunished. Good things take time, OTOH a bunch of pedos/DNMs operators/low-level idiots got popped without compromising the honeypot & provided a bit of cheese to keep this scheme fed.
The best is yet to come!

... just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!

http://s17.postimg.org/s25l6iqhr/neo1.jpg

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Well my point about it being anonymous was, "if" as you say, it is a government project then they needed to convince the criminals that it is anonymous and if you think that it is not anonymous and it's all a fiction, then criminals must have figured that out too by now <>

Lol @ Bitcoin criminals being smart enough to "have figured that out too." You simply don't understand the Bitcoin criminal mind. We're dealing with people who keep frickin' diaries of their murder plots on the same laptops that they use to hire teh totally srs and legit anon hitmen

http://s22.postimg.org/c9w592e75/ross1.jpg

As I said, Bitcoin criminals are the low-hanging fruit, their Achilles' heel is delusions of grandeur. And being stupid, ofc.

[Astargath]

Ok, maybe satoshi wasn't alone but from that to jump to the conclusion that the US/UK government is involved is a hell of a big step, don't you think? Just because there are some ''suspicious'' things doesn't mean God did it, you are like a religious person, ''We don't know how this was done therefore God did it''

[Bit_Happy]

So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts

i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing. the only reason why we write american style on forums and facebook etc is because of that annoying red spellcheck line that appears under british words, so we tend to right click and accept the closest relevant spelling just to get rid of it.  
its as simple as that. annoying web browser spell checks

* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.

satoshi pseudonym was used by 1 individual.. but that individual didnt invent everything from scratch. many coders are known to use existing resources and include elements from other sources.
satoshi was talking to many people, cypherfunks, sourceforge, IRC, even this forum was developed so that he could collaborate with others.
no denying that,
but it was satoshi, a single entity/person that put all the puzzle pieces of other peoples work together into one seamless and working project. even the white paper credits multiple people on the last page.. so yes, its true he didnt make every technology from scratch, many coders use functions that already exist.. but it was satoshi that pieced it together and utilised other peoples ideas in ways no one else thought of

* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.

they were testing it for months. infact on day one, satoshi (again only one person using the pseudonym) had people like hal finney, |)ruid and others all working together and debugging it as they went on. if you compare the very very first release of bitcoin in january 2009 to lets say the release in december 2009, the code is very different. because there were bugs. and by the time of december 2009 there were dozens of people working with bitcoin, debugging and adding new code/features.
even in 2016 its not perfect, many people say that satoshi could/should have gone in a different direction or included different code libraries.. so satoshi was not god.
he was though the single inventer that made the puzzle complete. utilising other peoples puzzle pieces and then open sourcing his puzzle to debug it

* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)

it was released late part of 2008 actually, but oh well

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.

nah, the spelling is due to the racist nature of web browsers thinking that america dominates the world and makes people spell american style purely by having that irritating red line underneath british spellings. where as adobe and microsoft word (offline writing tools) are less racist and let UK folk write how we want without much irritation. so i can easily see why the PDF looks more british than online posts

as for the technology being american government.. well actually TCP/IP, HTML, Java, C++ was an international effort. but highly adopted later by america, and then the whole world had to pander to the american way.

so assuming he must be american purely because he used the internet and c++.. shows you might not be thinking out side of the box..

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.

so after that long amount of assumptions.. even your subconcious mind truly thinks satoshi was a single person.. by you saying "his silence" instead of "their silence".
im safe to assume you have yet to truly convince yourself that satoshi wasnt just one entity. whether you realise it or not

all in all i dont think satoshi was a god.
and here is an analogy.
many many many years ago, people realised they could turn wheat into flour
many many many years ago, people realised eggs could be eaten by humans
many many many years ago, people realised cows milk was not just for calves
many many many years ago, people realised putting these things together made dough
many many many years ago, people realised sugar tasted nice and sweet
many many many years ago, people realised food colourings added nice aesthetics to otherwise bland looking food.

but it was only one person that made the very first fully decorated colourful icing cake. by  putting it all together
and then within hours others helped by making it better tweaking the ingredients colours, amount of icing, adding a bit of chocolate to improve flavouring.
(basically debugging it as the cake wasnt perfect)
(not important side note: while writing this i have irritating red lines for colour and flavour, but i didnt edit them to make a point)

iced cakes today are not the exact same recipe as that very first invention.. and is it really important that the first cake chef is discovered and praised as a god? or do we just eat our cake and be happy

I enjoyed reading your Legendary post.
"We've been Franked!"

many many many years ago, people realised they could turn wheat into flour
The people who "basically debugged" the flour forgot to consider/test what a gluten-filled diet would eventually do to humans.

[RealBitcoin]

I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.

[abs350]

Guys dont you understand it???

The US government always says: we can't do anything to stop new technology. Like for example with nukes they knew they couldnt stop it, eventually someone would invent it.  All they can do is invent it first at least that gives them some control over it.

Sure the US doesn't like bitcoin very much but they understood that someone was going to figure it out sooner or later.  So its better that they are the people to figure it out, then at least they get the control over it.

It is the same with all encryption algorithms that's why the NSA are the inventors of all the major encryption algorithms like SHA2. They dont like it, since they cant see people's emails, but they still invented it first to stop China.

"SHA-2 (Secure Hash Algorithm 2) is a set of cryptographic hash functions designed by the NSA"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2

[owm123]

I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.

They will by having all transactions public. Just cross reference address with exchange databases, emails, etc, and you have many ppl transactions out in the open.

[abs350]

I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.

They will by having all transactions public. Just cross reference address with exchange databases, emails, etc, and you have many ppl transactions out in the open.

Actually it could be a motive sure

[tbterryboy]

I think this can not be possible. This has been discussed many times, Satoshi Nakamoto can be a group of people and claiming many people in relation to US/UK agencies is highly impossible in my view.

[TKeenan]

i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing. the only reason why we write american style on forums and facebook etc is because of that annoying red spellcheck line that appears under british words, so we tend to right click and accept the closest relevant spelling just to get rid of it.  
its as simple as that. annoying web browser spell checks

How about if you stupid fuckers from the UK learn to spell shit right instead of complaining about defective browsers?  WTF?  Blaming your stupid shit on Yanks?  You are lucky the Yanks even let you near their computers.

[beerlover]

I think this can not be possible. This has been discussed many times, Satoshi Nakamoto can be a group of people and claiming many people in relation to US/UK agencies is highly impossible in my view.

I too don’t actually believe that. Okay, to get this straight, let me say that they have a group, but their head in charge is a man called Satoshi Nakamoto. I believe this Satoshi Nakamoto is a one man, but has a group he’s working with. Now, how do you think the US/UK would like to create something that is likely to destroy economy if given the chance.

[Amadues]

* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....

[doof]

i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing.

well, that should read "i too", so not sure you're qualified to make that call

[doof]

* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....

Totally disagree.  If anything, this is more evidence to suggest an individual.  Its a few technologies mixed together in the right way.

[designerusa]

I always thought the government was involved, simple as that

i agree with you this is an organisation ruled by governments under this nickname.. they want to create one country world and.. new world order ..

[Amadues]

* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....

Totally disagree.  If anything, this is more evidence to suggest an individual.  Its a few technologies mixed together in the right way.

Did you have even write a scientific paper? Here the "Peer review" is the entire world
If one person could "imagine" that we have some of extra terrestrial around btc....

[rossrjensen]

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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Isn't it obvious?  It's a hedge against Keynesian policies.  If fiat and QE fails, we have a back-up plan.

[zillerium]

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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

I know this is an old topic, but recently with btc hitting 50k this whole topic is mainstream - and this post was #1 in google.

To answer the points raised. The motive is simple - to dump the SN coins once the market reaches 100k or 250k per btc. The reason for that could be profit or could be to damage economies by eliminating billions/trillions in wealth.

It is clear from the SN posts and emails that several people are involved. The writing style varies, spelling between US and UK English (cheque and check are both used), and the focal points vary. Also there was a message about freedom and that was the first one I saw which had a typo from SN (a centrally controlled networks) on 2008-11-06 20.15.40. Typos usually reflect emotional responses.

Another pointer is the sheer magnitude of the idea implies an organization.

An individual would have sold the assets long ago.