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March 01, 2016, 02:48:43 PM
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I can only speculate, however it is possible that uchi saw that the domain was about to expire and saved the script and/or uchi used an archive of the website.
Ok so here's the story.

I originally created passphrase.io.

I sold the domain and license to use my script to devthedev.  

A few weeks before the domain expired, I warned dev on two separate occasions that he needed to renew. Once via email and once via PM. I even offered to buy it back from him, but he ignored.

He allowed the domain to expire, and I bought it back.

Also, I think devthdev mentioned somewhere that he did buy the domain+hosting from someone else
Well there you go. Devthedev probably didn't even realize that the domain was (about to) expire.  

This is what happened. I was sold the script/domain last July and recently just didn't have time to continue development, so I listed the script for sale and just realized the domain didn't renew. Looks like unchi, the user who sold it to me snagged the domain as soon as it expired and rehosted the script in an attempt to sell it again. Extremely shady.

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March 01, 2016, 03:17:10 PM
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I can only speculate, however it is possible that uchi saw that the domain was about to expire and saved the script and/or uchi used an archive of the website.
Ok so here's the story.

I originally created passphrase.io.

I sold the domain and license to use my script to devthedev.  

A few weeks before the domain expired, I warned dev on two separate occasions that he needed to renew. Once via email and once via PM. I even offered to buy it back from him, but he ignored.

He allowed the domain to expire, and I bought it back.

Also, I think devthdev mentioned somewhere that he did buy the domain+hosting from someone else
Well there you go. Devthedev probably didn't even realize that the domain was (about to) expire.  

This is what happened. I was sold the script/domain last July and recently just didn't have time to continue development, so I listed the script for sale and just realized the domain didn't renew. Looks like the guy who sold it to me snagged the domain as soon as it expired and rehosted the script in an attempt to sell it again. Extremely shady.

Reselling the script is not ok and yes shady, but regrab the expired domain is not shady in my opinion
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March 01, 2016, 04:59:33 PM
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I can only speculate, however it is possible that uchi saw that the domain was about to expire and saved the script and/or uchi used an archive of the website.
Ok so here's the story.

I originally created passphrase.io.

I sold the domain and license to use my script to devthedev.  

A few weeks before the domain expired, I warned dev on two separate occasions that he needed to renew. Once via email and once via PM. I even offered to buy it back from him, but he ignored.

He allowed the domain to expire, and I bought it back.

Also, I think devthdev mentioned somewhere that he did buy the domain+hosting from someone else
Well there you go. Devthedev probably didn't even realize that the domain was (about to) expire.  

This is what happened. I was sold the script/domain last July and recently just didn't have time to continue development, so I listed the script for sale and just realized the domain didn't renew. Looks like unchi, the user who sold it to me snagged the domain as soon as it expired and rehosted the script in an attempt to sell it again. Extremely shady.

The only way this could be shady if somehow unchi abused their position as the original owner... otherwise anybody could have grabbed an expired domain.

Did unchi retain control of domain registration or was it entirely in your control? I'm not sure I understand how you missed the expiration especially since you appeared to be trying to sell it before expiration - coincidence? Did you get e-mails from the registrar? Did you get e-mails from unchi?

On the other hand, I don't get why did unchi even try to warn you if the domain had been sold long ago (not leased etc) and fully in your possession.

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March 01, 2016, 07:06:09 PM
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I think dev should reply here and let us know what all this is going on.
I think there is some misunderstanding between dev and original owner of site.
devthedev has replied here already... devthedev still owns the source code of the website, but unchi purchased the passphrase.io domain after it expired. devthedev originally owned the domain, but let it expire and didn't bother renewing it.
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March 01, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
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I think dev should reply here and let us know what all this is going on.
I think there is some misunderstanding between dev and original owner of site.
devthedev has replied here already... devthedev still owns the source code of the website, but unchi purchased the passphrase.io domain after it expired. devthedev originally owned the domain, but let it expire and didn't bother renewing it.

Exactly. Unchi may now own the domain but he doesn't have rights to sell the source.

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March 01, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
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I think dev should reply here and let us know what all this is going on.
I think there is some misunderstanding between dev and original owner of site.
devthedev has replied here already... devthedev still owns the source code of the website, but unchi purchased the passphrase.io domain after it expired. devthedev originally owned the domain, but let it expire and didn't bother renewing it.

Exactly. Unchi may now own the domain but he doesn't have rights to sell the source.

What was the original sales agreement between you two?
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March 01, 2016, 07:20:38 PM
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Maybe, devthedev sold his account for a larger price.
He has recently stopped escrowing is there any reason we got for that?
Could possibly be one of the users just lying (as devthedev responded?)
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March 01, 2016, 07:22:45 PM
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Maybe, devthedev sold his account for a larger price.
He has recently stopped escrowing is there any reason we got for that?
Could possibly be one of the users just lying (as devthedev responded?)

Could it be possible you failed to read any of the posts above?

I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

I see nothing shady here then.
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March 01, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
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I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

Did he definitely know this or does he think he purchased the site.

Maybe, devthedev sold his account for a larger price.
He has recently stopped escrowing is there any reason we got for that?
Could possibly be one of the users just lying (as devthedev responded?)

Could it be possible you failed to read any of the posts above?

I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code. 

I see nothing shady here then.

It could be possible that I only read the first and last 10 psts, rather than reading the almost entire 60.


It is most likely that both parties may have got confused about this sale.
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March 01, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
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I think dev should reply here and let us know what all this is going on.
I think there is some misunderstanding between dev and original owner of site.
devthedev has replied here already... devthedev still owns the source code of the website, but unchi purchased the passphrase.io domain after it expired. devthedev originally owned the domain, but let it expire and didn't bother renewing it.

Exactly. Unchi may now own the domain but he doesn't have rights to sell the source.

What was the original sales agreement between you two?

It was a complete sale and transfer of the domain and everything related to Passphrase.io. There was no discussion of licensing.

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March 01, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
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I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

It was a complete sale and transfer of the domain and everything related to Passphrase.io. There was no discussion of licensing.

You guys are not quite on the same page I think.

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March 01, 2016, 07:52:34 PM
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I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

It was a complete sale and transfer of the domain and everything related to Passphrase.io. There was no discussion of licensing.

You guys are not quite on the same page I think.

Even more confusing...
Seems to be a misunderstanding somewhere that has lead to tis?
Lets hope that it can be resolved, I am unsure wat the license was for can someone fill me in?
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March 01, 2016, 08:24:14 PM
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Both devthedev and unchi should discuss and reach to a final agreement that is good for both of you
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March 01, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
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Even more confusing...
Seems to be a misunderstanding somewhere that has lead to tis?
Lets hope that it can be resolved, I am unsure wat the license was for can someone fill me in?

Please stop with your useless sig spamming, you nor your posts are even helping this thread.

You don't pay enough.
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March 02, 2016, 02:18:34 AM
Last edit: March 02, 2016, 02:30:08 AM by devthedev
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I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

It was a complete sale and transfer of the domain and everything related to Passphrase.io. There was no discussion of licensing.

You guys are not quite on the same page I think.

That's for sure.  US copyright law states that transfer of copyright ownership is not valid unless explicitly stated in a written and signed contract.  This never took place, and I neither discussed nor had any intentions of handing over copyright ownership.  I sold a license to use a copy of the software, plus the domain and user base that came along with the domain.  Dev still owns the license to use and modify the code, and he is free to use it on another domain.  In fact, I will now give him my permission to sell and distribute the version of code that he has (which is different from what is running on my server since I went through and completely changed the back end).   However, that doesn't mean that I have to give up my right to sell my own copyrighted intellectual property.

The bigger issue, in my opinion, is that he tried to sell a domain that he doesn't own.  He claims he didn't know that it expired, so as far as I'm concerned, this case is closed and I will remove myself from the conversation.

You retroactively converted the sale into a lease, I thought I was dealing in ethical business like a reasonable person, not signing up for a contest in copyright wankery.

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March 02, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
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March 02, 2016, 02:45:49 PM
Last edit: March 02, 2016, 03:09:36 PM by devthedev
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Here's the official scam accusation thread against Unchi, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1383945.msg14072696#msg14072696

This is really fucked up. I'm sorry that this happened to you devthedev.

Yup. This is a snippet of our last communication. (July 7th, 2015)



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I sold him a license to use and modify the software. Not ownership of code.  

It was a complete sale and transfer of the domain and everything related to Passphrase.io. There was no discussion of licensing.

You guys are not quite on the same page I think.

That's for sure.  US copyright law states that transfer of copyright ownership is not valid unless explicitly stated in a written and signed contract.  This never took place, and I neither discussed nor had any intentions of handing over copyright ownership.  I sold a license to use a copy of the software, plus the domain and user base that came along with the domain.  Dev still owns the license to use and modify the code, and he is free to use it on another domain.  In fact, I will now give him my permission to sell and distribute the version of code that he has (which is different from what is running on my server since I went through and completely changed the back end).   However, that doesn't mean that I have to give up my right to sell my own copyrighted intellectual property.

The bigger issue, in my opinion, is that he tried to sell a domain that he doesn't own.  He claims he didn't know that it expired, so as far as I'm concerned, this case is closed and I will remove myself from the conversation.

You retroactively converted the sale into a lease, I thought I was dealing in ethical business like a reasonable person, not signing up for a contest in copyright wankery.

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