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And you don't deserve to hold other's funds that's been proven you still have.
Has it been proven that cablepair is holding the money? since he is not paying out refunds on fridays, as he promised himself, it is proven that he is holding on to it Or at the very least some nearby bartender is. |
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March 10, 2013, 01:25:09 PM |
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since he is not paying out refunds on fridays, as he promised himself, it is proven that he is holding on to it
What's more likely is that one sizable portion of the money has gone to : - the rent for the place where bASICs were supposed to be tested, packaged and shipped from,
- employees salary (at least Dave)
- chip design and prototype
Tom has claimed to have invested some of his own money in this. He said recently that he was using BTC from his own mining operation to refund people. This makes me think that the money he invested was most probably less than the aggregated costs above. But anyway, what's more likely: - he sits on a pile of BTC that skyrocketed since preorders which he could use to refund everyone right now at the current USD value and keep the rest but choose to keep all of it and wait for jailtime?
- he doesn't have enough cash to refund anyone at this time and is still in panic mode?
But what I believe or what you believe is still speculation and will get nowhere. The only thing people can do is ask for an independent audit of Tom's books to find out for sure if he profited from this or not. If he did and doesn't refund everyone he is in deep shit, if he didn't and doesn't refund, remaining customers are in this shit with him and they (in fact "we": I have 2 bASIC01 pre-orders) lost their money without recourse (lookup how debts are handled when a business fails if you still believe in Santa Claus). |
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March 10, 2013, 04:51:26 PM |
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And you don't deserve to hold other's funds that's been proven you still have.
Has it been proven that cablepair is holding the money? Has it been PROVEN that he is NOT a scammer? NOPE! How long are you going to slow roll and drag this out? Anyone else pulling shit like this would be tagged almost 2 months ago already... |
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March 10, 2013, 05:09:22 PM |
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I just don't see why the burden of proof is always to get a scammer tag installed instead of getting it removed. It is not like it is a permanent fixture.
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March 10, 2013, 05:27:20 PM |
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Cablepair/Tom always said that everyone will be refunded.
Also i think the way his refunds are done is scammy, he is refunding some customers to the full, and other customers wait for a cent.
Also he does not answer to emails, no answer like: You will get a refund.... or an answer like: You wont get a refund.
I actually did not receive any email of himself this year, just Daves.
Then stringing along the customers, saying he has some prototype chips in december etc....
Also I heard that using pre order money for funding r&d of a product is not allowed in the US? Where are the funds?
Theymos... I start disbelieving in this forum totally, newbie angry nerds everywhere, and now you start to cover cp?
TOM WHERE IS MY REFUND?!!!
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March 10, 2013, 07:53:15 PM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
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March 10, 2013, 08:29:05 PM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
Probably makes zero difference to him. He's done with this board - he's a millionaire now. |
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repentance
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March 10, 2013, 08:58:14 PM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
Thank you theymos. |
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March 10, 2013, 09:40:26 PM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
Theymos, what will you be doing with your piece of the pie? (I.e. the revenue from the bASIC-scam adverts on this forum.) How much did he spend on advertising here anyway? Probably makes zero difference to him. He's done with this board - he's a millionaire now.
What a shame, pray this verdict will serve to deter those who would do the same. |
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March 10, 2013, 10:01:11 PM |
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Faith in bitcointalk.org restored.
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March 10, 2013, 10:14:29 PM |
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What a shame, pray this verdict will serve to deter those who would do the same.
?? Get a scammer tag on here in exchange for becoming filthy rich? Where is the deterrence? |
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repentance
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March 10, 2013, 11:00:27 PM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
Probably makes zero difference to him. He's done with this board - he's a millionaire now. Based on his last post, he intends to continue selling FPGAs. I believe there's some value in trying to make potential FPGA customers aware of the bASIC clusterfuck. Tom may be done with this board, but perhaps his being scammer-tagged will make newbies less inclined to deal with him. |
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March 10, 2013, 11:18:35 PM |
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What a shame, pray this verdict will serve to deter those who would do the same.
Get a scammer tag on here in exchange for becoming filthy rich? Where is the deterrence? Yes. Exactly. Where indeed? |
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March 11, 2013, 12:02:47 AM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
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March 11, 2013, 02:35:24 AM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
At least this is something.  |
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March 11, 2013, 03:05:55 AM |
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I scammer-tagged him.
Probably makes zero difference to him. He's done with this board - he's a millionaire now. Do you have proof of this? Blockchain analysis? |
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March 11, 2013, 09:27:46 AM |
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Theymos, what will you be doing with your piece of the pie? (I.e. the revenue from the bASIC-scam adverts on this forum.)
How much did he spend on advertising here anyway?
Seriously now...what sense does that make? If three months down the road you want to start a business and advertises yet thermos goes "fu, i don't trust you, you can't buy advertising here" what are you going to say? Can't have it both ways simultaneously, this isn't quantum physics. Either open and open or else nazi and nazi. |
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March 11, 2013, 09:31:11 AM |
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Theymos, what will you be doing with your piece of the pie? (I.e. the revenue from the bASIC-scam adverts on this forum.)
How much did he spend on advertising here anyway?
Seriously now...what sense does that make? If three months down the road you want to start a business and advertises yet thermos goes "fu, i don't trust you, you can't buy advertising here" what are you going to say? Can't have it both ways simultaneously, this isn't quantum physics. Either open and open or else nazi and nazi. Well, this exactly. How would theymos know in advance that bASIC would turn out to be a scam? |
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March 11, 2013, 11:13:52 AM |
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Theymos, what will you be doing with your piece of the pie? (I.e. the revenue from the bASIC-scam adverts on this forum.)
How much did he spend on advertising here anyway?
Seriously now...what sense does that make? If three months down the road you want to start a business and advertises yet thermos goes "fu, i don't trust you, you can't buy advertising here" what are you going to say? Can't have it both ways simultaneously, this isn't quantum physics. Either open and open or else nazi and nazi. Well, this exactly. How would theymos know in advance that bASIC would turn out to be a scam? Agree. |
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