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April 17, 2016, 02:33:26 PM
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Böhmermann works for the zdf ( lying .gov press) so this might just be some type of conspiracy or hoax!

On a serious node qwk explained it already that the comedian knew the consequences of his poem ( they explained it beforehand) and in the worst case it will end in a fine.

There are laws for insulting/defamation/libel and additional laws for special cases of the same against presidents of other nations.

Everything what is happening right now is exactly the way it should happen in a state under the rule of law.
You feel insulted you take the person to court and the courts decide.

Btw. Germany will remove the special laws regarding "Beleidigung von Staatsoberhäuptern" because it is just a relict of past times ( deutsches Kaiserreich or weimarer republik?) and not needed anymore.



OK. This is normal in Germany to be fired for your job because you are a comedian. Good to know.




Nobody is fired. He is making a vacation and still works for the zdf.
The zdf also announced it is supporting him with all means nessecary.

It is quite funny if there was no special law for libel against a head of state erdogan would have just used a normal court process which would have went straight to court - 100%.

Because of the special law the german gov has to approve it which is the correct decision.



Do you know if that same law targeting the German comedian was already in place when Bokassa or Pinochet was in power?

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April 17, 2016, 02:40:46 PM
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Böhmermann works for the zdf ( lying .gov press) so this might just be some type of conspiracy or hoax!

On a serious node qwk explained it already that the comedian knew the consequences of his poem ( they explained it beforehand) and in the worst case it will end in a fine.

There are laws for insulting/defamation/libel and additional laws for special cases of the same against presidents of other nations.

Everything what is happening right now is exactly the way it should happen in a state under the rule of law.
You feel insulted you take the person to court and the courts decide.

Btw. Germany will remove the special laws regarding "Beleidigung von Staatsoberhäuptern" because it is just a relict of past times ( deutsches Kaiserreich or weimarer republik?) and not needed anymore.



OK. This is normal in Germany to be fired for your job because you are a comedian. Good to know.




Nobody is fired. He is making a vacation and still works for the zdf.
The zdf also announced it is supporting him with all means nessecary.

It is quite funny if there was no special law for libel against a head of state erdogan would have just used a normal court process which would have went straight to court - 100%.

Because of the special law the german gov has to approve it which is the correct decision.



Do you know if that same law targeting the German comedian was already in place when Bokassa or Pinochet was in power?

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If i remeber correctly it was created in the 19th century at the time of "das deutsche Kaiserreich".
The böhmermann case iniated the removing of that law, which will happen until 2018.

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April 18, 2016, 04:27:05 AM
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A German comedian could face prosecution in his own country for "insulting" Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Jan Böhmermann, a satirical comedian, is being investigated by German authorities under defamation laws for a poem in which he calls the Turkish premier a "goat f*****" and other insults.

He could face up to five years in prison if Turkey's foreign ministers, who were reportedly angered by the programme, decide to press charges and he is convicted, according to Der Tagesspiegel.

"Erdogan is definitely a president with a small tail," says the comedian, in a line where "tail" is understood in German to refer to another part of the male anatomy.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's craziest quotes

The popular young comedian was reportedly trying to outdo the offensiveness of an earlier song insulting Erdogan, which Ankara officially complained about in March.

"What I'm about to read is not allowed. If it were to be read in public - that would be forbidden in Germany," said Mr Böhmermann before going on to read his "smear poem" on public broadcaster ZDF, according to The Local.

He also said Mr Erdogan "watches child porn while kicking Kurds", in reference to accusations against the Turkish president that he is persecuting the Kurdish minority in the country.

To avert diplomatic tensions, Angela Merkel personally called Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu and agreed the poem was a "deliberate insult".

She has recently helped broker a deal with Mr Erdogan that for every refugee returned from Greece back to Turkey, one will be admitted into the EU from Turkey's refugee camps.

ZDF removed the programme from its website.

Under paragraph 103 of the German Criminal Code, insulting a foreign head of state can result in a three-year jail term, while an intended slander can stretch to five years.

Such "insult laws" still exist in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden, according to a report from Pen International, which campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers.

Mr Erdogan said at the start of April that he welcomed criticism but would "file a lawsuit" against anyone who insulted him.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/german-comedian-jan-b-hmermann-could-face-prison-for-insulting-smear-poem-against-turkish-president-a6972356.html



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I wonder if W Bush or TRUMP was ever insulted in this anti free speech country...




well thats bad news for him in our country our president is always one of the jokes that comedians use.

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April 18, 2016, 05:22:19 AM
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A German comedian could face prosecution in his own country for "insulting" Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Jan Böhmermann, a satirical comedian, is being investigated by German authorities under defamation laws for a poem in which he calls the Turkish premier a "goat f*****" and other insults.

He could face up to five years in prison if Turkey's foreign ministers, who were reportedly angered by the programme, decide to press charges and he is convicted, according to Der Tagesspiegel.

"Erdogan is definitely a president with a small tail," says the comedian, in a line where "tail" is understood in German to refer to another part of the male anatomy.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's craziest quotes

The popular young comedian was reportedly trying to outdo the offensiveness of an earlier song insulting Erdogan, which Ankara officially complained about in March.

"What I'm about to read is not allowed. If it were to be read in public - that would be forbidden in Germany," said Mr Böhmermann before going on to read his "smear poem" on public broadcaster ZDF, according to The Local.

He also said Mr Erdogan "watches child porn while kicking Kurds", in reference to accusations against the Turkish president that he is persecuting the Kurdish minority in the country.

To avert diplomatic tensions, Angela Merkel personally called Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu and agreed the poem was a "deliberate insult".

She has recently helped broker a deal with Mr Erdogan that for every refugee returned from Greece back to Turkey, one will be admitted into the EU from Turkey's refugee camps.

ZDF removed the programme from its website.

Under paragraph 103 of the German Criminal Code, insulting a foreign head of state can result in a three-year jail term, while an intended slander can stretch to five years.

Such "insult laws" still exist in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden, according to a report from Pen International, which campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers.

Mr Erdogan said at the start of April that he welcomed criticism but would "file a lawsuit" against anyone who insulted him.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/german-comedian-jan-b-hmermann-could-face-prison-for-insulting-smear-poem-against-turkish-president-a6972356.html



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well thats bad news for him in our country our president is always one of the jokes that comedians use.

Maybe that guy was not used to jokes that he took it too severe.? Or he felt his pride was stepped on?. Either ways our president too is a joker but he is not aware of it.

I think the government really took that joke literally and he was a satirical comedian? Words of a comedian should not be taken that seriously.
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April 18, 2016, 07:33:44 AM
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What happened to Germany's democracy and freedom of speech?
A foreign dictator is using the German legal system to silence critics? Is Germany serious?
Wonder who's in charge of Germany?

The answer is very simple. Germany has become the vassal state of Turkey (previously, it was the American vassal state, but then Obama was so incompetent that he lost Germany to Turkey). Goat-fucker Erdoğan has become too powerful. Within a few months time, he will dictate the rules and policies of the European Union.

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April 18, 2016, 10:20:00 AM
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A German comedian could face prosecution in his own country for "insulting" Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Jan Böhmermann, a satirical comedian, is being investigated by German authorities under defamation laws for a poem in which he calls the Turkish premier a "goat f*****" and other insults.

He could face up to five years in prison if Turkey's foreign ministers, who were reportedly angered by the programme, decide to press charges and he is convicted, according to Der Tagesspiegel.

"Erdogan is definitely a president with a small tail," says the comedian, in a line where "tail" is understood in German to refer to another part of the male anatomy.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's craziest quotes

The popular young comedian was reportedly trying to outdo the offensiveness of an earlier song insulting Erdogan, which Ankara officially complained about in March.

"What I'm about to read is not allowed. If it were to be read in public - that would be forbidden in Germany," said Mr Böhmermann before going on to read his "smear poem" on public broadcaster ZDF, according to The Local.

He also said Mr Erdogan "watches child porn while kicking Kurds", in reference to accusations against the Turkish president that he is persecuting the Kurdish minority in the country.

To avert diplomatic tensions, Angela Merkel personally called Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu and agreed the poem was a "deliberate insult".

She has recently helped broker a deal with Mr Erdogan that for every refugee returned from Greece back to Turkey, one will be admitted into the EU from Turkey's refugee camps.

ZDF removed the programme from its website.

Under paragraph 103 of the German Criminal Code, insulting a foreign head of state can result in a three-year jail term, while an intended slander can stretch to five years.

Such "insult laws" still exist in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden, according to a report from Pen International, which campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers.

Mr Erdogan said at the start of April that he welcomed criticism but would "file a lawsuit" against anyone who insulted him.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/german-comedian-jan-b-hmermann-could-face-prison-for-insulting-smear-poem-against-turkish-president-a6972356.html



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I wonder if W Bush or TRUMP was ever insulted in this anti free speech country...




well thats bad news for him in our country our president is always one of the jokes that comedians use.

Maybe that guy was not used to jokes that he took it too severe.? Or he felt his pride was stepped on?. Either ways our president too is a joker but he is not aware of it.

I think the government really took that joke literally and he was a satirical comedian? Words of a comedian should not be taken that seriously.

ofcourse he did took it too seriously, the guy who was arrested was a comedian he didnt meant it to be real.

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April 18, 2016, 10:52:50 AM
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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

All friends and incrowds washing eachothers hands. The native European people don't care for it and in due time they will rise up against the colonists and everyone who supports them because they're fed up with the treachery. Our parents and grandparents fought and died for our freedom and we will do the same for our children and grandchildren if need be.



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April 18, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

She's not evil. She isn't Jewish and she don't seems to be ideologically manipulated. She's just stupid or manipulated by someone, and thus, there's maybe a bigger power on her.

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April 19, 2016, 04:47:14 AM
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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

She's not evil. She isn't Jewish and she don't seems to be ideologically manipulated. She's just stupid or manipulated by someone, and thus, there's maybe a bigger power on her.

She is too much experienced to be manipulated. She knew about the consequences of her actions, and still went with it for short term gains (electoral dividends, Nobel prize.etc). However, it is possible that she might have under-estimated the reaction from her own citizens, against the mass influx of third world immigrants from the Middle East.

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April 19, 2016, 07:09:57 AM
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why he was sent to the jail.
he is just a comedian and doing his job to spread smile on the face of people by doing mimicry.
and i think he should not be sent to jail for this action.
just warm then  not to do it again.
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April 19, 2016, 07:29:56 AM
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I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.

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April 19, 2016, 07:38:30 AM
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I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.

There is something called as humor.Take it as a joke.The amount of jokes American president has to take and matter of fact he can't do anything about it shows what actual Democracy is.Freedom of SPEECH!

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April 19, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
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That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

She's not evil. She isn't Jewish and she don't seems to be ideologically manipulated. She's just stupid or manipulated by someone, and thus, there's maybe a bigger power on her.
She's too smart to be manipulated, I've read many articles about her past and I'd say there is enough evidence for this point of view. In fact, she's a wicked manipulative bitch who've got her place as a reward for betrayal. She betrayed everyone who was stupid enough to trust her, including two of her own former bosses.

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April 19, 2016, 09:43:09 AM
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I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.

That was supposed to be the difference between Turkey and Germany. Germany claims to be a democracy with the freedom of speech granted to all the residents. On the other hand, Turkey is an Islamic dictatorship where the freedom of speech does not exist. If the German authorities behaves the same way as those in Turkey, then how can they claim to be any different from the Turks?

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April 19, 2016, 11:49:45 AM
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I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.

That was supposed to be the difference between Turkey and Germany. Germany claims to be a democracy with the freedom of speech granted to all the residents. On the other hand, Turkey is an Islamic dictatorship where the freedom of speech does not exist. If the German authorities behaves the same way as those in Turkey, then how can they claim to be any different from the Turks?

On the Wikipedia common law page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law, there is a map of the world legal systems. This is an excellent map. It shows that Germany is not exactly the democracy that people think... neither is the United States.

Germany is a civil law country. A great and short description of civil law, along with a comparison to common law (United States), can be found at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29 where it says:
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Civil law, civilian law or Roman law is a legal system originating in Europe, intellectualized within the framework of late Roman law, and whose most prevalent feature is that its core principles are codified into a referable system which serves as the primary source of law. This can be contrasted with common law systems whose intellectual framework comes from judge-made decisional law which gives precedential authority to prior court decisions on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions (doctrine of judicial precedent, or stare decisis).

Basically, the point about civil law is that a government set up that way is virtually a dictator over the people of the nation. There isn't really any democracy. Government rules by giving itself best benefit by allowing the people democratic-like freedom. Without freedom, people don't benefit the ruling class.

Since the idea of democracy is majority rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), the United States isn't really a democracy, either. Why not? Because supreme law is vested in the court system in the States. No matter what law is democratically set up in the States, a jury can judge the law to be of no effect in a case. Such is called jury nullification, and the jurors are the judges in the common law court system of the United States. Such a thing is not available to the people of Germany.

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The answer is very simple. Germany has become the vassal state of Turkey
A million Turkish live in Germany, and the Turkish dictator keeps a large part of them under his control. They have to serve the Turkish army for example.
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The answer is very simple. Germany has become the vassal state of Turkey
A million Turkish live in Germany, and the Turkish dictator keeps a large part of them under his control. They have to serve the Turkish army for example.

You are under-estimating the number of Turks in Germany. According to the official stats, the real number is close to 4 million, out of which 1,506,113 holds the Turkish citizenship. In 1998, 2.11 million German residents had Turkish citizenship, but the numbers have fallen as many have opted for the German citizenship. And obviously, if you are a Turkish citizen, then you have to serve in the Turkish army.

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The answer is very simple. Germany has become the vassal state of Turkey
A million Turkish live in Germany, and the Turkish dictator keeps a large part of them under his control. They have to serve the Turkish army for example.


A Turkish army has been infiltrated in Germany? Ready for their marching order?

Yeah... The comedian has to go to jail then.

Thank you Merkel. German humor for the win!

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