Why the monero/bitmonero/MRO/BMR/XMR Cripplemined Fastmine matters

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.0

^ Posted by 'Chessus' who was outed along with 'Hexah', his buddy on that thread, as being sock puppets run by the Bytecoin scam. Very reliable source. NOT

ceti most likely knows that thread is not a reliable source but is posting it anyway, as yet another malicious lie.

[Macrochip]

Attack the attacker, much?
Monero cripplemine scam is an objective fact, even if Hitler himself reported on it I would believe him.

The Monero XMR Scam Uncovered

Monero is being pushed very hard everywhere in this forum. XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way. The crypto community is already dead tired of the Monero shill accounts unprecedented activity.

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Conclusions & TL-DR

1. Monero is largely botnet mined.
2. The trade volume on the exchanges is artificial and is mostly created by the botnet owners that are constantly selling the coin to those who has fell into their fake PR hype. Occasionally the exchange rate is saved by the XMR whale. Fundamentally, XMR is doomed to have a negative trend.
3. The PR activity on this forum is fake. The Monero community is much smaller than XMR shills pretend it to be. There are a lot of purchased hero and senior member accounts and relentless black PR activities. Everything is aimed at making you part with your money to supporting botnet operators by investing in XMR.
4. XMR devs cannot make any significant updates/improvements to the CryptoNote protocol and are doomed to stick to PR hype only while helping the botnets profit.

Copycat coin with zero innovation and just as much of a long-term future.

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Attack the attacker, much?

No, I point out specific lies from you guys, along with evidence backing up that they are lies.

Copycat coin with zero innovation and just as much of future.

At least that is a valid opinion, I'll give you that. Better than posting outright lies like "millions of coins" mined or core team members having bragged about how many zombie machines they control.

[Macrochip]

Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.

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Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.

The evidence for your lie about millions of coins mined is on the blockchain. Mining is transparent, the on chain privacy doesn't give you a technically valid excuse for that lie, as you attempted (another lie, trying to defend a lie)

The evidence for ceti's lie claiming that core devs bragged about zombie machines is that no such brag was ever made. He's welcome to contradict that with some sort of evidence, but he can't and won't, even when asked to back it up.

I'm waiting for evidence backing up his accusation of criminal conduct against fluffypony, but of course he has none, because that too was a lie.

I guess it is time to remember why this thread exists.

This thread serves mainly to deflect attention away from Dash's instamine scam.

This is on topic.

I have not looked into monero. The things he claims "could" be true

HOWEVER - i would not trust one word mastermined710 says.

I was on the xcoin(dash) captive instamine launch. I was there in real time and watched it unfold.

He now tries to deny things that happened  actually happened  on that launch. He is not to be trusted.

Although, this is not a dash/xcoin/dark thread I will not go into it here. I will only say if you want examples of his lies then please contact me for details.

This person is either a total scammer or likes to try and destroy the truth with nuances that are laughable. His tactic is to say he is telling the truth so that the real truth that is a correct and proper picture is distorted and cast in doubt.

He is making this thread only to divert from the dash scam thread.

He is a scam protector and pumper.

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Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.

Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Do you have evidence that it affects the coin negatively, as in invalidating any of its claims of decentralization or privacy?

If you don't have evidence of one, then you're left with the thread's title being false and a complete waste of time. As an example: I can show that dash is an oligarchy, whether intentional or not, due to the way their paynode scheme works. These systems are designed to work trustlessly, so any hiccups (intentional or not) should be invalidated by the design, not left-up to the good or bad intentions of those who are engaged with it.

[Macrochip]

LOL. Any retard with the tiniest hint of common sense could deduce the Monero cripplemine scam was intentional. Forking a scam and acting surprised when the code is revealed to be a scam. "Oops we scammed the public by accident!"

The FAILERO scam protecting in here is pretty desperate. Deflecting away the accusations by mentioning off topics is clearly a sign of guilt.

Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin). Why you ask? Because they KNEW, like everyone else, it was a scam
And yet didn't bother to check for scammy code? Is that feigning of ignorance credible? Definitely not.
Why? Because they claim to have so much integrity:

You won't find a more fair launch of any coin no will you find team behind a coin with more integrity than the Monero team in my opinion (though as a minor disclaimer, I don't know all of them outside of our work on Monero -- the work on Monero has been 100% above board and community-focused).

Advertising "fair launch" and yet they pushed a scammy crippleminer onto the public


Only when an outside party noticed the scam that was going on:

My concern with Monero is that optimized miner was always closed-source until a week in production. It happened each time the optimization takes place.

There was no closed source release of anything from the Monero project. It has all been released on github, when practical with accompanying Windows, Mac and Linux binaries. We can't control what everyone else does, but we have certainly encouraged optimized miner developers to share them, in one case offering a bounty (though it turned out not to be necessary as we independently developed comparable optimizations).

As far as I remember, it was me who was asking the questions and finally pushed NoodleDoodle to release the source of the first optimization "round". Where's my bounty then?

NoodleDoodle was not at the time a Monero developer. His first commit to github was the "optimized" (if you want to call it that) miner, which he developed on his own initiative as a individual miner. He was encouraged not only by you, but also by members of the Monero team to open source it, which he did. He has since contributed further optimizations.

As it turns out all these optimizations were really (very likely) un-de-optimizations. If you wanted them released earlier you should get after the bytecoin devs about it. They supposedly had two years to do it.

they bothered to make efforts to fix it.
Monero devs filled their pockets with optimized miners no one else had access to at the time and just when someone else noticed he could fix the scam miner himself they had to come clean. Too bad for him they had already mined unknown millions before anyone found out.

Conclusion from evidence:

SCAM CONFIRMED.

Monero should relaunch because of the cripplemine scam at the beginning.

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LOL. Any retard with the tiniest hint of common sense could deduce the Monero cripplemine scam was intentional. Forking a scam and acting surprised when the code is revealed to be a scam. "Oops we scammed the public by accident!"

^ Confirmed. He has no evidence it was intentional. So he's lying about it being intentional. I'm losing count by now.

[TPTB_need_war]

This thread serves mainly to deflect attention away from Dash's instamine scam.

+1 for conscious reason.

The subconscious reason this thread exists is the psychological phenomenon that it is better to destroy everyone, than to fail alone.

"I dropped my ice cream in the mud, so now I am throwing mud on your ice cream so we are the same, because God hates us equally".

This is what socialism built. Equality is prosperity, because fairness is the uniformity of nature's Gaussian distribution. Equality is a human right! Didn't you know that!

They would rather waste the time of important coders whose time would be better spent coding a solution for humanity, so as to satisfy their inability to accept their mistakes and jealousy.

[qwizzie]

Monero should be relaunched for its cripplemine scam at the beginning nonetheless.

Yep, they most certainly should.

Monero : not such a perfect launch after all, in fact its anything but perfect.

[generalizethis]

Monero should be relaunched for its cripplemine scam at the beginning nonetheless.

Yep, they most certainly should.

Monero : not such a perfect launch after all, in fact its anything but perfect.

As of now, not one of the dashers has proved the following (or even attempted to, saying the equivalent of, "look yourself" isn't walking us through the evidence), which is when your assertion that they should relaunch would make sense.

Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.

Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Do you have evidence that it affects the coin negatively, as in invalidating any of its claims of decentralization or privacy?

If you don't have evidence of one, then you're left with the thread's title being false and a complete waste of time. As an example: I can show that dash is an oligarchy, whether intentional or not, due to the way their paynode scheme works. These systems are designed to work trustlessly, so any hiccups (intentional or not) should be invalidated by the design, not left-up to the good or bad intentions of those who are engaged with it.

[generalizethis]

Sigh, does your doodle affirm either of the bolded questions below?

Monero should be relaunched for its cripplemine scam at the beginning nonetheless.

Yep, they most certainly should.

Monero : not such a perfect launch after all, in fact its anything but perfect.

As of now, not one of the dashers has proved the following (or even attempted to, saying the equivalent of, "look yourself" isn't walking us through the evidence), which is when your assertion that they should relaunch would make sense.

Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.

Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Do you have evidence that it affects the coin negatively, as in invalidating any of its claims of decentralization or privacy?

If you don't have evidence of one, then you're left with the thread's title being false and a complete waste of time. As an example: I can show that dash is an oligarchy, whether intentional or not, due to the way their paynode scheme works. These systems are designed to work trustlessly, so any hiccups (intentional or not) should be invalidated by the design, not left-up to the good or bad intentions of those who are engaged with it.

[Macrochip]

Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Yes:
Releasing crippled miners without checking them first but claiming to be honest and have integrity doesn't fit. Either they fucked up, something they will never admit, because only Evan Duffield has the moral integrity to admit to that. Or, and that's the only remaining possibility: It was intentional. There is your evidence.

The FAILERO scam protecting in here is pretty desperate. Deflecting away the accusations by mentioning off topics is clearly a sign of guilt.

Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin). Why you ask? Because they KNEW, like everyone else, it was a scam
And yet didn't bother to check for scammy code? Is that feigning of ignorance credible? Definitely not.
Why? Because they claim to have so much integrity:

You won't find a more fair launch of any coin no will you find team behind a coin with more integrity than the Monero team in my opinion (though as a minor disclaimer, I don't know all of them outside of our work on Monero -- the work on Monero has been 100% above board and community-focused).

Advertising "fair launch" and yet they pushed a scammy crippleminer onto the public


Only when an outside party noticed the scam that was going on:

My concern with Monero is that optimized miner was always closed-source until a week in production. It happened each time the optimization takes place.

There was no closed source release of anything from the Monero project. It has all been released on github, when practical with accompanying Windows, Mac and Linux binaries. We can't control what everyone else does, but we have certainly encouraged optimized miner developers to share them, in one case offering a bounty (though it turned out not to be necessary as we independently developed comparable optimizations).

As far as I remember, it was me who was asking the questions and finally pushed NoodleDoodle to release the source of the first optimization "round". Where's my bounty then?

NoodleDoodle was not at the time a Monero developer. His first commit to github was the "optimized" (if you want to call it that) miner, which he developed on his own initiative as a individual miner. He was encouraged not only by you, but also by members of the Monero team to open source it, which he did. He has since contributed further optimizations.

As it turns out all these optimizations were really (very likely) un-de-optimizations. If you wanted them released earlier you should get after the bytecoin devs about it. They supposedly had two years to do it.

they bothered to make efforts to fix it.
Monero devs filled their pockets with optimized miners no one else had access to at the time and just when someone else noticed he could fix the scam miner himself they had to come clean. Too bad for him they had already mined unknown millions before anyone found out.

Conclusion from evidence:

SCAM CONFIRMED.

Monero should relaunch because of the cripplemine scam at the beginning.

Do you have evidence that it affects the coin negatively, as in invalidating any of its claims of decentralization or privacy?

Who cares? Complete strawman. The devs ninjamined Monero in a criminal attempt to fill their pockets. That's enough to dump it for any investor.

Also, Botnet mined Malware-Coin:

Anyone associated (most likely the devs themselves) with the people running an ultra illegal and morally despicable botnet to mine Monero will undeniably become subject to criminal investigation. And rightfully so.
Pretty sad that no one bothered to mine this shitcoin so they artificially inflated their hashrate by abusing innocent malware victims with this disgusting and pathetic tactic.

Monero - Is it a currency or a virus? Better scan your computer now!

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Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Yes:
Releasing crippled miners without checking them first but claiming to be honest and have integrity doesn't fit. Either they fucked up, something they will never admit, because only Evan Duffield has the moral integrity to admit to that. Or, and that's the only remaining possibility: It was intentional. There is your evidence.

^ Look carefully. Do you see any evidence of intent?

Wrong. No one represented that it had been checked, nor promised to do so. The reasons for the forking of the repo were clearly stated at the time, and they did not include anyone stepping up to volunteer to do code reviews. There weren't even any real developers, until later, when the group organized to do so.  No one was misled in any way at any point in the process.

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Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin).

That's not what happened. Monero didn't exist. Some shady guy cloned it, to create Bitmonero. Then the shady guy starting making shady changes and broke it. The community had a meeting and tacotime decided to fork the repo using the shortened name Monero so there would be a stable source base that shady guy couldn't mess with any more (he could still push changes, and was invited to do so, but they would have to go through public review like anyone else). Later, it was decide to organize as a team and engage in further development.

Your whole narrative, while not backed by any evidence, also collapses on the basis of logic because it would make no sense for someone trying to "intentionally" exploit a crippled miner to voluntarily publicly release not one but three improvements to the miner within a short period of a few weeks. If the Monero developers wanted to exploit it they would have either released nothing or released just the first fix (which was sufficient to address the issue as far as was known at the time) and then gone and secretly mined away for months and months.

[Macrochip]

Do you have evidence that it was intentional?

Yes:
Releasing crippled miners without checking them first but claiming to be honest and have integrity doesn't fit. Either they fucked up, something they will never admit, because only Evan Duffield has the moral integrity to admit to that. Or, and that's the only remaining possibility: It was intentional. There is your evidence.

^ Look carefully. Do you see any evidence of intent?

Wrong. No one represented that it had been checked, nor promised to do so. The reasons for the forking of the repo were clearly stated at the time, and they did not include anyone stepping up to volunteer to do code reviews. There weren't even any real developers, until later, when the group organized to do so.  No one was misled in any way at any point in the process.

So a group of incompetent people "too lazy" (which is the gist of your excuse here) to check the scam code they just cloned (and they KNEW it was scam code from day 0) is definitely "no scam", but one guy launching a coin by himself, all alone and in his spare-time with buggy but proven non-scammy Litecoin code definitely is!

Clearly no intent here, no sir!

Pathetic.


Monero should relaunch because of a) the despicable botnet mining it clearly endorses and b) the even more despicable intentional cripplemining scam at the beginning.

[btc_zero_sum]

Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin).

Then the shady guy starting making shady changes and broke it.

since monero has no real working wallet yet i would assume the development team never changed, they just changed username account.

anybody in the altcoin scene since with some experience knows how monero is raped by botnets from the usual people and that the coin is basically a rebrand of bytecoin plus some wealthy investor willing to pay an army of troll posts

[generalizethis]

Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin).

Then the shady guy starting making shady changes and broke it.

since monero has no real working wallet yet i would assume the development team never changed, they just changed username account.

anybody in the altcoin scene since with some experience knows how monero is raped by botnets from the usual people and that the coin is basically a rebrand of bytecoin plus some wealthy investor willing to pay an army of troll posts

Do you have evidence of those claims? I ask knowing you don't.

[Macrochip]

Moanero cloned a scam coin (Bytecoin).

Then the shady guy starting making shady changes and broke it.

since monero has no real working wallet yet i would assume the development team never changed, they just changed username account.

anybody in the altcoin scene since with some experience knows how monero is raped by botnets from the usual people and that the coin is basically a rebrand of bytecoin plus some wealthy investor willing to pay an army of troll posts

Bytecoin was a scam so they had to rebrand to Monero and now that Monero is exposed as a scam will they relaunch? Probably another rebrand with another CryptoNote coin. Is that was "AEON" is for? Backup for the inevitable?

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So a group of incompetent people "too lazy" (which is the gist of your excuse here) to check the scam code they just cloned

I just explained to you that no group cloned anything. One guy cloned it, with the stated purpose of changing some parameters and relaunching, and he was later "fired" by the community.

(and they KNEW it was scam code from day 0)

This isn't even true really. No one knew it was "scam code". Bytecoin had a very fast emissions (twice as fast as Monero) and had already been 80% mined. It was claimed that it was launched two years earlier but not in public. Some of us believed it, some didn't (I mostly didn't), but it didn't matter because enough people just wanted to relaunch it regardless. Not much if anything was known about the extent of the Bytecoin scam at that point (until this post four months later).

So no, nobody KNEW it was scam code.

Nobody claimed it was anything but a relaunch of Bytecoin.

No one promised to review or improve the code.

No one was misled.

If it really bothers you, still, go right ahead and relaunch Monero. It was already done as AEON, BTW. That launched after the miner fixes. Maybe you would prefer to support the AEON project. You're welcome if you can manage to stop lying.