There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings

[qwik2learn]

I read it, and its a joke. programmed by whom? first he have to show there is a "whom" and not nature

Consciousness is programmed by nature?
MANY eminent researchers disagree: https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

Hammeroff shows that copying the brain’s neurons and synaptic connections to reproduce brain functions including consciousness is FICTION. Even Darwin saw the absurdity of attributing to material nature that which is obviously the result of DESIGNED LAWS.

"the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?"--Charles Darwin

Albert Einstein believed that natural laws were designed by an intelligence. Charles Darwin (not a Nobel prize winner) also held this belief.

Chain thought the theory of "natural selection" explained nothing. He thought that "survival of the fittest" was a statement of an obvious fact and was lacking substance and therefore was not a scientific theory. He also believed that something more was necessary because development of individual organisms and evolution of species demonstrated purposefulness (teleology) that could not be explained by natural factors.

It is, of course, nothing but a truism, and not a scientific theory, to say that living systems do not survive if they are not fit to survive.

To postulate, as the positivists of the end of the 19th century and their followers here have done, that the development and survival of the fittest is entirely a consequence of chance mutations, or even that nature carries out experiments by trial and error through mutations in order to create living systems better fitted to survive, seems to me a hypothesis based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts.

This hypothesis willfully neglects the principle of teleological purpose which stares the biologist in the face wherever he looks, whether he be engaged in the study of different organs in one organism, or even of different subcellular compartments in relation to each other in a single cell, or whether he studies the interrelation and interactions of various species.

These classical evolutionary theories are a gross oversimplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they were swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest.

Darwin also believed that the universe did not arise by chance and that natural laws resulted from design which indicates that he believed in a form of Intelligent Design.

Darwin also doubted human reason was reliable if it evolved through natural selection. This is a key point in the argument that materialism is not a rational philosophy. If you cannot trust human reason, then it is irrational to believe anything, including materialism. It is significant that Darwin's beliefs on this subject undermine materialism because Darwin's theory of natural selection was one of the most important ideas that led to materialism and philosophical naturalism being adopted by most scientists. When you consider that Darwin believed natural laws were designed, and he did not trust human reason if it arose through natural selection, you begin to see that exploiting Darwinian theory as foundation of materialism is a huge scam.

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[qwik2learn]

I read it, and its a joke. programmed by whom? first he have to show there is a "whom" and not nature

Consciousness is programmed by nature?
MANY eminent researchers disagree: https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

Hammeroff shows that copying the brain’s neurons and synaptic connections to reproduce brain functions including consciousness is FICTION. Even Darwin saw the absurdity of attributing to material nature that which is obviously the result of DESIGNED LAWS.

Some atheists and pseudoskeptics will say that science has removed the need for God as an explanation for the existence of the natural world. The quotes here demonstrate that many of the greatest scientific minds believe just the opposite, that the scientific evidence is best explained by the existence of an intelligent designer of the universe.

[techgeek]

The only reason debate on this topic is because religion always comes to the factor.

And its based on the personal belief on at a young age being told by - and then carrying it on through their entire life cycle to the next generation.

Basically a viral marketing without confirming if the story was true in the bible were proven with todays modern sceience.

[Wilikon]

No consciousness is linked to no brain electric activity.

So why would the patient exhibit conscious behavior such as having valid perceptions if there is no brain activity at that time? This result points to a failure in the theory of mind as being generated from the brain. You did not present any evidence to substantiate your claim that awareness is possible when there is no electrical activity. Awareness is based on constantly-fluctuating levels of electrical activity in the brain, but this patient had no brain activity for several minutes and still had awareness. So where is the evidence that can save the physicalist hypothesis?

The electrical theory of the brain has already failed:

"some AI researchers have simulated the entire, already-mapped nervous system (302 neurons) of the tiny worm C elegans. Like paramecium, we don’t know if they’re conscious, but C elegans clearly exhibits ‘easy problem’ behaviors, e.g. moving in response to stimuli. But even artificial C elegans just sits there, with no functional behavior. AI can’t simulate the ‘easy problems’ in simple brains. Something is missing."

See: Which came first: Feelings or the Brain?

Somebody gets it with my consciousness = electrical brain map comment.

[Wilikon]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

[BADecker]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

Do you remember when you were 3 years old? How about 2? 1? 1 month?

I'll bet that if you remember anything from 1 month old, that you don't remember all of it clearly. So, what makes you think that you didn't formally accept your conception, and simply don't remember that you did this?

[Wilikon]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

Do you remember when you were 3 years old? How about 2? 1? 1 month?

I'll bet that if you remember anything from 1 month old, that you don't remember all of it clearly. So, what makes you think that you didn't formally accept your conception, and simply don't remember that you did this?

I remember when Wilikon was born. He was sooo cute! Nowadays... I don't know.

[Racey]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

Do you remember when you were 3 years old? How about 2? 1? 1 month?

I'll bet that if you remember anything from 1 month old, that you don't remember all of it clearly. So, what makes you think that you didn't formally accept your conception, and simply don't remember that you did this?

And absolutely not one person remembers anything before birth, nor does anyone come back after death, why is this?
Reincarnation does not exist nor life after death, I have read all the baloney on the internet, so no links please.

As for my earliest memory, I can go back as far as a few months of age, but my perception nowadays, may just be muddled memories.

 

[qwik2learn]

And absolutely not one person remembers anything before birth,

Actually, there are many cases suggestive of reincarnation; you should check them out.

The 20 Most Impressive Reincarnation Cases
AND
The 20 Most Convincing Spirit-Contact Cases

nor does anyone come back after death

Actually, the patient from the OP has come back after death and his veridical perceptions present a serious problem for the physicalist theory of reality. You have not addressed this case at all!

Why would the patient exhibit conscious behavior such as having valid perceptions if there is no brain activity at that time? This result points to a failure in the theory of mind as being generated from the brain. Awareness is based on constantly-fluctuating levels of electrical activity in the brain, but this patient had no brain activity for several minutes and still had awareness. So where is the evidence that can save the physicalist hypothesis?

[BADecker]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

Do you remember when you were 3 years old? How about 2? 1? 1 month?

I'll bet that if you remember anything from 1 month old, that you don't remember all of it clearly. So, what makes you think that you didn't formally accept your conception, and simply don't remember that you did this?

And absolutely not one person remembers anything before birth, nor does anyone come back after death, why is this?
Reincarnation does not exist nor life after death, I have read all the baloney on the internet, so no links please.

As for my earliest memory, I can go back as far as a few months of age, but my perception nowadays, may just be muddled memories.

Muddled memories is exactly it. Since we don't have much in the line of a point of reference for anything when we are young infants, memories seem muddled. But they are very strong. We simply don't recognize what we are remembering when we remember them.

Feeling is one of the strongest senses. It is way more basic than sight, even though sight can be way more analytical. A baby is essentially just the same a minute after he is born as he was a minute before the actual birthing process started. A few minutes is a short time, even for a baby.

Why do you think that a baby doesn't remember his feelings before birth just like he does after birth?

It has been shown that babies react to sound weeks before birth. Why do you think that they do not remember some or all of this?

Simply because standard memory processes are not developed in a 1-month fetus doesn't mean that they are not there in some form. So, why not at the moment of conception?

Although memories are stored in the brain, this doesn't mean that they are not stored in the soul or spirit as well, even before birth.

For some reason, you are simply in denial.

[Maesters1-]

being Muslim it is our strongest believe that there is life after death and we have to return to our creator on the day of judgement and every one has to answer for deeds he don in this world. it will be the day of punishment and rewards. Allah says in Quan
Recite with the name of your Lord Who created,

He made man from the clot of blood,

Recite, for your Lord is the Most Generous,

Who taught writing by the pen.

Taught man what not.

Yes, undoubtedly, man transgresses.

Because, he thought himself self-sufficient.

Undoubtedly, unto your Lord is the return. Taught man what he knew

Well, you see him who forbids

A bondman of Ours when he offers prayer.

well, you see if he would have been on guidance,

Or he would have commanded piety, what a good thing it had been.

Well you see, if he belied and turned back, then what would be his condition.

Did he not know that Allah is seeing?

Yes, if he desisted not, We will assuredly drag him by catching his forelock hairs.

forelock of what type, lying, sinful.

Now let him call his association

Just now We call Our guards.

Yes, hear him not and prostrate and draw near to Us.

[abugseuf]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

[Wilikon]

Im in shock. I hope its true and we do live on after death, but for more then the few minutes that was claimed in the news article. Its cool to know that science is working its magic to figure this out because truthfully, im scared of dying.

You did not control your birth, you may control your death. Why a need to be scared? Pain, that's something else of course.

Do you remember when you were 3 years old? How about 2? 1? 1 month?

I'll bet that if you remember anything from 1 month old, that you don't remember all of it clearly. So, what makes you think that you didn't formally accept your conception, and simply don't remember that you did this?

And absolutely not one person remembers anything before birth, nor does anyone come back after death, why is this?
Reincarnation does not exist nor life after death, I have read all the baloney on the internet, so no links please.

As for my earliest memory, I can go back as far as a few months of age, but my perception nowadays, may just be muddled memories.

 

Babies remember music they heard in the womb up to four months after they are born

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2480644/Babies-remember-music-heard-womb-months-born.html

[Dank14]

I'm finding it hard to believe that there are people out there who ACTUALLY BELIEVE that nature came into existence all by itself!

I'm amazed at the population of those who believe so...

It's incredulous

[kryptqnick]

I'm finding it hard to believe that there are people out there who ACTUALLY BELIEVE that nature came into existence all by itself!

I'm amazed at the population of those who believe so...

It's incredulous

Well, maybe, you're just not very familiar with some problems of the Evolution Theory. I don't think it is proved in a better way than Creationism. Or, rather, it is just a bit more appropriate for contemporary people. I'm quite sute in a few centuries people will make fun of us believing in evolution)

[kryptqnick]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Sure there are. Christianity, for examle) Or we can talk about Buddism where life actually begins after death, sort of

[BADecker]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

[abugseuf]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

[BADecker]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child?  

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak.  

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

When you have someone as great as God - One Who created everything - how does one give Him thanks for this creation and life? How does one really show thankfulness by doing as God did for us... giving something back to God? What can you give to God that will benefit Him, since he can create a creation a thousand times more glorious than this one if He wants?

In addition, What is there that can benefit God? After all, God can devise anything, make anything, plan any plan, do infinitely great wonders, bring forth wisdom and knowledge beyond any capability of understanding; nothing is limited in any way with God.

Rather, thank and praise God that He has placed in you enough of Himself so that when you praise Him, He can be truly esteemed. Think of how great He has made you, that He has given you a self that can actually benefit God through praising Him!

However, if you don't directly, willingly praise Him, YOU STILL CAN'T HELP BUT TO PRAISE HIM? How? He has given you the ability to reject Him. And Anybody that has given people the freedom to reject the only Power in and beyond the universe, is super wonderful GREAT. So, you use your ability that He has given, to reject Him, thereby worshiping Him through using what He has given... even though you destroy yourself by doing it this way.

[abugseuf]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child?  

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak.  

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

When you have someone as great as God - One Who created everything - how does one give Him thanks for this creation and life? How does one really show thankfulness by doing as God did for us... giving something back to God? What can you give to God that will benefit Him, since he can create a creation a thousand times more glorious than this one if He wants?

In addition, What is there that can benefit God? After all, God can devise anything, make anything, plan any plan, do infinitely great wonders, bring forth wisdom and knowledge beyond any capability of understanding; nothing is limited in any way with God.

Rather, thank and praise God that He has placed in you enough of Himself so that when you praise Him, He can be truly esteemed. Think of how great He has made you, that He has given you a self that can actually benefit God through praising Him!

However, if you don't directly, willingly praise Him, YOU STILL CAN'T HELP BUT TO PRAISE HIM? How? He has given you the ability to reject Him. And Anybody that has given people the freedom to reject the only Power in and beyond the universe, is super wonderful GREAT. So, you use your ability that He has given, to reject Him, thereby worshiping Him through using what He has given... even though you destroy yourself by doing it this way.

but for me the most simple answer is that yes being Muslim we have a strong belief of ALLAH. He is the creator of mankind. we have to return to  him and we will answer for our deeps. Allah has to give the reward of the deeds of the human beings.