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Author Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order  (Read 506447 times)
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June 06, 2018, 09:19:02 AM
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S9 will not profit soon ?
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June 06, 2018, 10:48:26 AM
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S9 will not profit soon ?

S9 would not profit if your daily operating cost is above USD0.13/kWh, just enough to cover operating cost / break-even to cover electricity/cooling etc.

See example below :-

(TH/s) / Opex (USD/kWH) / Profit (USD/D)
13.5 / 0.10 / 1.43
13.5 / 0.11 / 1.04
13.5 / 0.12 / 0.66
13.5 / 0.13 / 0.27
13.5 / 0.14 / -0.11

* Assumptions : Current yield of USD0.39/(TH/s), power of 1580 Watt/S9.
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June 06, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
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S9 will not profit soon ?

S9 would not profit if your daily operating cost is above USD0.13/kWh, just enough to cover operating cost / break-even to cover electricity/cooling etc.

See example below :-

(TH/s) / Opex (USD/kWH) / Profit (USD/D)
13.5 / 0.10 / 1.43
13.5 / 0.11 / 1.04
13.5 / 0.12 / 0.66
13.5 / 0.13 / 0.27
13.5 / 0.14 / -0.11

* Assumptions : Current yield of USD0.39/(TH/s), power of 1580 Watt/S9.


That doesnt look good. If the 13cents guys gets taken out, it will be the 12 and 11 cents guys next Sad

Hopefully bitmain clears their backlog of wafer orders soon and does not over-order again. I believe that is the issue here. The new entrant GMO with their new 24TH for 1950watt miner at 1999 USD just cant compete at that price and I doubt they can price it much lower to compete. Bitcoin price increase would be great too.

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June 06, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
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Tweezers doesn't heat solder and resolder the balls back on...


You know hes actually correct. Heat gun and tweezers is the official bitmain way. That is what they teach you in the training courses, which I have been through.

They say it is faster and much more cost effective than using a machine. They actually showed me thier chip placing machine(cant for the life of me remember its actual name) onsite, covered and put away because they just dont use it.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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June 06, 2018, 03:59:59 PM
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S9 will not profit soon ?

S9 would not profit if your daily operating cost is above USD0.13/kWh, just enough to cover operating cost / break-even to cover electricity/cooling etc.

See example below :-

(TH/s) / Opex (USD/kWH) / Profit (USD/D)
13.5 / 0.10 / 1.43
13.5 / 0.11 / 1.04
13.5 / 0.12 / 0.66
13.5 / 0.13 / 0.27
13.5 / 0.14 / -0.11

* Assumptions : Current yield of USD0.39/(TH/s), power of 1580 Watt/S9.


S9s only pull arond 1400w, so you might want to revise your numbers.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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June 06, 2018, 04:02:52 PM
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^^ and depending on the model and temps, s9 power draw can be as low as 1250W (s9 batch-1 uc to 550MHz producing 12.75THs)

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June 06, 2018, 04:10:24 PM
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Tweezers doesn't heat solder and resolder the balls back on...


You know hes actually correct. Heat gun and tweezers is the official bitmain way. That is what they teach you in the training courses, which I have been through.

They say it is faster and much more cost effective than using a machine. They actually showed me thier chip placing machine(cant for the life of me remember its actual name) onsite, covered and put away because they just dont use it.

Heat gun will just damage the chips if not done properly. A rework station does not cost all that much and you can also place it 100% in the correct spot everytime and not have to worry about get solder on other pins and damaging the chip from over heating.

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June 06, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
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June 06, 2018, 07:14:14 PM
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Hi
Can some one please help me?

Is this for Real: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Antminer-S9-14-TH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-With-PSU-APW3-SHIPS-SAME-DAY/202334306466?hash=item2f1c1080a2:g:JJQAAOSw7kVbF-so#payCntId

Say's free shipping worldwide and "Antminer S9 14 TH/s Bitcoin Miner With PSU APW3++ SHIPS SAME DAY"

Cost US $450.00

But here's fine print "Payment: PAYMENT IS ONLY ACCEPT VIA BITCOIN (If paypal is sent, miner wont be posted.)
To purchase this miner please buy listing this will reserve miner.
Payment of bitcoin is then required. (within 10 minutes of pressing buy now)
Amount:0.06btc"

Sell has 100% feedback and 469 sells
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June 06, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
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Hi
Can some one please help me?

Is this for Real: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Antminer-S9-14-TH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-With-PSU-APW3-SHIPS-SAME-DAY/202334306466?hash=item2f1c1080a2:g:JJQAAOSw7kVbF-so#payCntId

Say's free shipping worldwide and "Antminer S9 14 TH/s Bitcoin Miner With PSU APW3++ SHIPS SAME DAY"

Cost US $450.00

But here's fine print "Payment: PAYMENT IS ONLY ACCEPT VIA BITCOIN (If paypal is sent, miner wont be posted.)
To purchase this miner please buy listing this will reserve miner.
Payment of bitcoin is then required. (within 10 minutes of pressing buy now)
Amount:0.06btc"

Sell has 100% feedback and 469 sells

You have no protection with sending BTC, also it's against E-Bay's policy.  Also the seller can say you never paid, so he never shipped.  Because you have no paypal record.  SCAM

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June 06, 2018, 07:23:19 PM
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Need little advise, thanks.

Below pica showing a S9 frying the cables of the power supply.

- There are no issue with the boards, I opened and checked.
- the hashing boards sockets are brown because of the PSU plugs that are overheating
- Both miner and CPU are working fine, however the PSU cables at the hash boards are super hot and getting brown, some are black.
- Replaced the PSU with a new one, cables are getting hot. It is fine for now but with time it will go brown.

This miner is running since 2 years non stop.

Any advise?
thanks.


https://imgur.com/a/AGgnzhS
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June 06, 2018, 08:03:02 PM
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Hi
Can some one please help me?

Is this for Real: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Antminer-S9-14-TH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-With-PSU-APW3-SHIPS-SAME-DAY/202334306466?hash=item2f1c1080a2:g:JJQAAOSw7kVbF-so#payCntId

Say's free shipping worldwide and "Antminer S9 14 TH/s Bitcoin Miner With PSU APW3++ SHIPS SAME DAY"

Cost US $450.00

But here's fine print "Payment: PAYMENT IS ONLY ACCEPT VIA BITCOIN (If paypal is sent, miner wont be posted.)
To purchase this miner please buy listing this will reserve miner.
Payment of bitcoin is then required. (within 10 minutes of pressing buy now)
Amount:0.06btc"

Sell has 100% feedback and 469 sells

You have no protection with sending BTC, also it's against E-Bay's policy.  Also the seller can say you never paid, so he never shipped.  Because you have no paypal record.  SCAM

I agree unless they are selling $450 Us Paypal and $450 of BTC (~$900 US), Maybe a workaround..
I'll ask seller.
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June 06, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
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Tweezers doesn't heat solder and resolder the balls back on...


You know hes actually correct. Heat gun and tweezers is the official bitmain way. That is what they teach you in the training courses, which I have been through.

They say it is faster and much more cost effective than using a machine. They actually showed me thier chip placing machine(cant for the life of me remember its actual name) onsite, covered and put away because they just dont use it.

Heat gun will just damage the chips if not done properly. A rework station does not cost all that much and you can also place it 100% in the correct spot everytime and not have to worry about get solder on other pins and damaging the chip from over heating.

I agree, but as a business owner I would not buy such machine for the repair shop, unnecessary expense...
However, if I was an engineer at that shop, I would ask my boss about this machine every day
Just different perspectives Wink

It is not an unnecessary expense. They is litteraly one of the main tools for any logic board repair. It is a vaccum that picks up the chip. A camera and a laser so it can properly align it and place it properly. A heating element getting the solder the the proper temp for the proper amount of time. You make it sound like this is something like only intel uses. When your xbox has a red ring this is the machine they use when your gpu is having artifcats this what they use etc etc.

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June 06, 2018, 08:05:17 PM
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Hi
Can some one please help me?

Is this for Real: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Antminer-S9-14-TH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-With-PSU-APW3-SHIPS-SAME-DAY/202334306466?hash=item2f1c1080a2:g:JJQAAOSw7kVbF-so#payCntId

Say's free shipping worldwide and "Antminer S9 14 TH/s Bitcoin Miner With PSU APW3++ SHIPS SAME DAY"

Cost US $450.00

But here's fine print "Payment: PAYMENT IS ONLY ACCEPT VIA BITCOIN (If paypal is sent, miner wont be posted.)
To purchase this miner please buy listing this will reserve miner.
Payment of bitcoin is then required. (within 10 minutes of pressing buy now)
Amount:0.06btc"

Sell has 100% feedback and 469 sells

You have no protection with sending BTC, also it's against E-Bay's policy.  Also the seller can say you never paid, so he never shipped.  Because you have no paypal record.  SCAM

I agree unless they are selling $450 Us Paypal and $450 of BTC (~$900 US), Maybe a workaround..
I'll ask seller.

It's fee advoidance, I would rather have the security of paypal when your box with a brick shows up.  Then pay with BTC and have no recourse.

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June 06, 2018, 08:08:13 PM
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Need little advise, thanks.

Below pica showing a S9 frying the cables of the power supply.

- There are no issue with the boards, I opened and checked.
- the hashing boards sockets are brown because of the PSU plugs that are overheating
- Both miner and CPU are working fine, however the PSU cables at the hash boards are super hot and getting brown, some are black.
- Replaced the PSU with a new one, cables are getting hot. It is fine for now but with time it will go brown.

This miner is running since 2 years non stop.

Any advise?
thanks.


https://imgur.com/a/AGgnzhS

As people been sayin "Once you go black you never go back..."
hehehe
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I would just remove plastic and solder one thing onto another, since it becomes an issue

looking into replacing the PSU cables, so far not lucky with finding good cables online. Also the 6 pin PCIe sockets are easy to replace if found.
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June 06, 2018, 08:21:11 PM
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Link down now..
Thanks.
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June 07, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
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anyone have any $400 coupons left?  I could use a few..  PM me!

U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol.

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June 07, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
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anyone have any $400 coupons left?  I could use a few..  PM me!

U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol.

With some $400 coupons, Z9s are under $500 I would take a chance on them.

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June 07, 2018, 11:03:19 AM
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anyone have any $400 coupons left?  I could use a few..  PM me!

U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol.

With some $400 coupons, Z9s are under $500 I would take a chance on them.


Aren't you afraid of D3 story to repeat itself once again here?

No guts, no glory...  If I can't get any $400 coupons I just won't get any

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June 07, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
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anyone have any $400 coupons left?  I could use a few..  PM me!

U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol.

With some $400 coupons, Z9s are under $500 I would take a chance on them.


http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/26.html

Innosilicon A9, 50k sols, $9999, 620W. It's twice as efficient as Z9, though less price/performance if you consider the $250 x2 coupons we were given.

Batch 2 ship Aug 15, which will beat bitmain's 2nd batch too. Given that $400 coupons can be found for $200, the Z9 is ~$650 for batch 2 and innosilicon needs to sell at $3250 or less in batch 2 to beat Z9's price/perf.

Well it's only 2.5x the efficiency, not as bad as Siacoin's A3 to S11 situation. But it's a generation jump and will be significant when equihash mining matures.


Woah but sales price at $9,999 makes no sense. I guess it is on a lower number node? This reminds me of the ant D3 miner. The ant Z9 is a ant D3 and the inno A9 is a dash A5. The A5 Dash was sold for 10k and buyers got it few months later instead of on time. The ant D3 was shipped fast but so many were sold that no one broke even....

I hope u guys think hard here.

U may wanna take note wat i wrote above in the thread. I could be wrong and it could turn out differently.
I was thinking about it myself but now i am thinking again because the A9 appeared. Difficulty will be higher. But if u have big coupons, agreed that the risk is lower.

If only inno and Bitmain can sit down and talk things through ...but I guess hell will freeze over first lol

Selling 100 dollar coupons (8units expire 11th June, 14 units expire 1st july) and 125 dollar coupon (2 unit exp 30th June). Selling at 20% of value
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