Removed.

[coinbiz]

Removed.

[Minecache]

Please don't accuse me of FUD.  Can we get a clear answer from Sasha or the Waves team???

https://blockexplorer.com/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA

Of the 30,000 BTC raised, they've already withdrawn 11,445 in the last few days!  Where is this money going, what is it being used for?

To put things in perspective, that's roughly $6.867 million USD!  And they still can't get listed on Poloniex?  There is something seriously up.  If this was a business on the stock market, investors would be filing complaints with the SEC.  

I am seriously worried, the price of Waves keeps dropping more and more below the ICO.

Monthly updates are not good enough.  I'm afraid by the end of the month they will have withdrawn all the ICO funds!

What the heck is seriously going on?

Where is the money going?  Why do they need $6.9 million USD for a Chrome extension???  There is no marketing or major developments.  You don't need $6.9 million USD for a SMF free software-based forum.  This is whole situation is getting worse everyday.

Where's it going? Probably on hooks and blow. Just like the LISK boys.

[r0ach]

You morons gave 30,000 free BTC to a bunch of Russian IPO scammers.  No wonder BTC is down.  You probably all own more BTC than altcoins and just devalued the fuck out of your investment by letting these scammers crash the market in a rush to buy Lamborghinis for themselves.

That's probably what we were looking at on BTCE today.  The price was over $600, yet you have people trying to unload BTC $50 under market value for absolutely no reason on BTCE.  You got these Waves Russians, Vitalik Russian, and Come from Beyond Russian IPO scammers tripping over themselves desperate to cash out their scams as fast as possible on BTCE:

[btc_zero_sum]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

[r0ach]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

[DreamSpace]

do we now know for what the withdrawn funds are used ?

[From Above]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

This is a very bad analysis, it's on par with ur bad trading advice my nifty boy

Have u been robbed by someone from Russia or Eastern Europe or what caused this trauma?

~CfA~

[glerant]

Of the 30,000 BTC raised, they've already withdrawn 11,445 in the last few days!  Where is this money going, what is it being used for?

If they didn't diversify their holdings of startup capital they would be accused of 'not showing due diligence'.

[From Above]

I am seriously worried

My nifty boy. If u are so worried u got ta go fix that on ur side. Are they so powerful that u cant do anything but worry?

One day when u are a man u will understand that u dont have to worry about them so much


~CfA~

[Piston Honda]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

DING DING DING!

Correct.  and it sucks balls that they continue to get away with this bullshit given their fancy looking coins proving all these releases and hard work/etc. pfffffffft, so then why the big ICO?  why not SHOW what you have then get the price going.

and LOL at anyone (like above) defending this shit!!  Fuck that noise.

[r0ach]

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

This is a very bad analysis

There is no central party issuing the block reward in a real decentralized coin, the protocol does it by itself.  If it's possible for you to get your hands on the block reward at all before the coin is released, it's because you've created a scam.  Proof of stake is also completely useless and can only be used to create permissioned ledgers.

[From Above]

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

This is a very bad analysis

There is no central party issuing the block reward in a real decentralized coin, the protocol does it by itself.  If it's possible for you to get your hands on the block reward at all before the coin is released, it's because you've created a scam.  Proof of stake is also completely useless and can only be used to create permissioned ledgers.

U have posted this stuff before.  Theres not really anyone asking u to repeat this over and over again.

If I were u I'd write a nifty novel composed of ur messages.

~CfA~

[dste123]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

Wouldn't say all ICOs are scams but agree with your sentiment...there are a lot of shoddy altcoins out there as well as some good ones. Its important to do some due diligence before investing.

[From Above]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

All IPOs are scams and pretty much every single one of them is straight out of Russia or Eastern Europe.

Wouldn't say all ICOs are scams but agree with your sentiment...there are a lot of shoddy altcoins out there as well as some good ones. Its important to do some due diligence before investing.

dste123 so u r actually saying that u too r a racist,  is that so?

of course there r shady things out there.  from US, China, Moldova and Latvia, from Ghana and Germany, Russia and Gibraltar.

everything else is utter bullshite


~CfA~

[r0ach]

from US, China, Moldova and Latvia, from Ghana and Germany, Russia and Gibraltar.

It is a common theme that all IPO scams are from Russia and Eastern Europe.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

No but I wouldn't put my trust in an altcoin fro such a ravaged, fallen country.  Just isn't smart.  Then again I'm in the US and we have a bit of a history with Russia.

[ashapasa]

maybe to hedge against falling bitcoin price ? its possible.

[thoth-Atlantian]

LOL funny how people a Russiphobe, (Vitalek isn't BTW)

That FOX news hey?

Well waves team have put some big walls up on Trex
Also I imagine that the whole plan with the ICO money was to spend it to create a product that would reap rewards for investors.
I use the word 'Investor' because I think what most people were looking for was a bet they cant lose, to 5x the $$$ 

Shit takes time and money, if people need the money within 2 years of investing it they shouldn't be investing. 
 

[bazar165g]

from US, China, Moldova and Latvia, from Ghana and Germany, Russia and Gibraltar.

It is a common theme that all IPO scams are from Russia and Eastern Europe.

why are you saying so , most of the shit coin is from china and us , haven't you remembered the spm coin which was initially marked as spam coin the dev and investors were from USA.

[thoth-Atlantian]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

No but I wouldn't put my trust in an altcoin fro such a ravaged, fallen country.  Just isn't smart.  Then again I'm in the US and we have a bit of a history with Russia.

LOL I am in Australia and I know how dumb that comment is.

The US is broke, the infrastructure is in decay.

Corporations ans Israel own the country and political process and you are all being poisoned with fluoride, Aluminium, and civil forfeiture. Russia is intentionally going the exact opposite direction. Organic,  GMO free, No monsanto..

Only US has these diseases

[crypto jerk]

I bet all you sig campaign people who advertised this for a few monhs feel pretty stupid.


And and and, once again you all gave money for a platform that doesnt work, and has never worked. And according to charles hoskinson needed shitloads of testing before it ever could be close to even production ready.


Oh, and they straight up lied at the beggining about kushti being involved.

Lol
Lol
Lol
Lol
Haha ha

[HCLivess]

I have one name for you
TPCB_need_war... or whatever

[btc_zero_sum]

so, russians are all scammers, waves has "no marketing or major developments" after 48 hours of life, what's the next bullshit i can read in this thread?

No but I wouldn't put my trust in an altcoin fro such a ravaged, fallen country.  Just isn't smart.  Then again I'm in the US and we have a bit of a history with Russia.

wtf people, i would think the same about USA if i was from Afghanistan!
and following this logic every muslim is a terrorists, every white person is racist etc

and then, to be honest, crypto are global networks and talking about nationalities doesn't make sense anymore,
i'm from norway, my mining server is in singapore and my investors pool is from china: if i fuck up then means all people from sweden are scammers? FFS

[needmoney90]

You morons gave 30,000 free BTC to a bunch of Russian IPO scammers.  No wonder BTC is down.  You probably all own more BTC than altcoins and just devalued the fuck out of your investment by letting these scammers crash the market in a rush to buy Lamborghinis for themselves.

That's probably what we were looking at on BTCE today.  The price was over $600, yet you have people trying to unload BTC $50 under market value for absolutely no reason on BTCE.  You got these Waves Russians, Vitalik Russian, and Come from Beyond Russian IPO scammers tripping over themselves desperate to cash out their scams as fast as possible on BTCE:

https://i.imgur.com/3GQeqN6.png

And what do all these scammers have in common? They all attack legit projects like Monero, really makes you think.

Monero is dedicated to the scam. So dedicated, in fact, that they built the best working cryptographic privacy coin on the market, along with writing multiple whitepapers with clear mathematical proofs of efficacy, just to sucker people in. Looks like you fell for it, what a shame.

[dearbesz1219]

how can i get my wave balance from  the ICO wave platform.  can anyone assist me with this concern,
  thanks your help is much appreciated.

[iamnotback]

40% of Waves ICO BTC Withdrawn! For What?

I didn't read the thread. I am just responding to the Subject title quoted above in bold text. I am NOT accusing anyone of anything. I am speaking hypothetically below.

The problem with ICOs is the developers can take out a loan, buy the ICO from themselves, thus creating the illusion that they raised more money than they did. But of course they need to pay the loan back. So tracking the BTC raised from an ICO is apparently a necessary condition for ICOs, but it still doesn't resolve the issues below.

Buying the ICO from themselves allows manipulation:

1. They own a large % of the supply which they can withhold from the float to drive the price up. They use this as margin so they can take out options contracts to apply highly leveraged price manipulation.

2. If this buying is visible during the ICO process, this can drive up demand for the ICO.

3. Use this control over the float to buy from themselves, jacking up the exchange price.

[bones261]

Good luck ever getting a complete answer from the Waves DEV team on what they are doing with the withdrawn BTC. When I brought it up in the Waves ANN thread, I was basically told by the signature campaign coordinator to STFU, and he'll buy my tokens at ICO price. I've dumped these tokens as soon as I could on Trex, and I have now liberated myself from the last of these ICO scam tokens. I certainly hope that I do not slip in my resolve to never purchase a single one of these ICO ever again. I hope all of you Wave bagholders and traders have fun with my dumped tokens. You do all realize that since the code for the nodes is closed sourced, and the terms of the escrow has been met, the dev team can take the money and run, and leave you all in the lurch? Hope these strangers have some scruples for all of your sake.

[Thenoticer]

Good luck ever getting a complete answer from the Waves DEV team on what they are doing with the withdrawn BTC. When I brought it up in the Waves ANN thread, I was basically told by the signature campaign coordinator to STFU, and he'll buy my tokens at ICO price. I've dumped these tokens as soon as I could on Trex, and I have now liberated myself from the last of these ICO scam tokens. I certainly hope that I do not slip in my resolve to never purchase a single one of these ICO ever again. I hope all of you Wave bagholders and traders have fun with my dumped tokens. You do all realize that since the code for the nodes is closed sourced, and the terms of the escrow has been met, the dev team can take the money and run, and leave you all in the lurch? Hope these strangers have some scruples for all of your sake.

Updates?

[bones261]

Good luck ever getting a complete answer from the Waves DEV team on what they are doing with the withdrawn BTC. When I brought it up in the Waves ANN thread, I was basically told by the signature campaign coordinator to STFU, and he'll buy my tokens at ICO price. I've dumped these tokens as soon as I could on Trex, and I have now liberated myself from the last of these ICO scam tokens. I certainly hope that I do not slip in my resolve to never purchase a single one of these ICO ever again. I hope all of you Wave bagholders and traders have fun with my dumped tokens. You do all realize that since the code for the nodes is closed sourced, and the terms of the escrow has been met, the dev team can take the money and run, and leave you all in the lurch? Hope these strangers have some scruples for all of your sake.

Updates?

Yes, they withdrew 2511 more BTC from the escrow account, today. https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA
Hookers and blow must be really expensive. Or do they need to get a few more Lambos today?

[partysaurus]

Good luck ever getting a complete answer from the Waves DEV team on what they are doing with the withdrawn BTC. When I brought it up in the Waves ANN thread, I was basically told by the signature campaign coordinator to STFU, and he'll buy my tokens at ICO price. I've dumped these tokens as soon as I could on Trex, and I have now liberated myself from the last of these ICO scam tokens. I certainly hope that I do not slip in my resolve to never purchase a single one of these ICO ever again. I hope all of you Wave bagholders and traders have fun with my dumped tokens. You do all realize that since the code for the nodes is closed sourced, and the terms of the escrow has been met, the dev team can take the money and run, and leave you all in the lurch? Hope these strangers have some scruples for all of your sake.

Updates?

Yes, they withdrew 2511 more BTC from the escrow account, today. https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA
Hookers and blow must be really expensive. Or do they need to get a few more Lambos today?

More vodka and kaviar I guess. Or maybe a Siberian tiger

[zakorus]

well I unloaded all my ICO coins.. Just have a bad feeling.

This past few months has been a huge rush to scam all the newbs with halving hype

[benthach]

i already said again and again, the waves offer paycoin and eth scam into one. what they have is just idea, the coding is none exist at this point. the people fear of missing out from lisk have no place to go but giving their free bitcoin to sishaa, the ugly russian mafia wannabe. all the withdrawal is just free bitcoin money, no law can touch him about it. all you dumb morons can do right now is cry but then i already warned about this, so, you dumb morons is being OWNED!!!! lol

[monsanto]

What was the average price of waves during ico?

[Seccour]

You morons gave 30,000 free BTC to a bunch of Russian IPO scammers.  No wonder BTC is down.  You probably all own more BTC than altcoins and just devalued the fuck out of your investment by letting these scammers crash the market in a rush to buy Lamborghinis for themselves.

That's probably what we were looking at on BTCE today.  The price was over $600, yet you have people trying to unload BTC $50 under market value for absolutely no reason on BTCE.  You got these Waves Russians, Vitalik Russian, and Come from Beyond Russian IPO scammers tripping over themselves desperate to cash out their scams as fast as possible on BTCE

You have a serious problem with Russians. You should try to see a psychologist. That probably come from beyond a problem that you had during childhood.

If you need help the whole Bitcoin community will be there for you, and i'm sure the russian part of it will help you even more.

[Someone47]

If you need help the whole Bitcoin community will be there for you, and i'm sure the russian part of it will help you even more.

im not going to be there for the roach. . he is not only psycho . . that is the least of his problems

[blockerupterguy]

i sold 15000 waves, 75% of my holdings on day 1 at about 0.00041 because waves didn't receive much of any mainstream media press - thus sellers outnumbered buyers by a wiiiiide margin. that was obvious to me and should have been to everyone else

kept 25% for a reason though

sasha coded coinomat and waves might rival motherfucking coinbase one day

it would be speculative and idiotic of them NOT to turn the ICO BTC into fiat. that would be counterproductive and bad for the business of waves. waves is a business

was it a scam? maybe, but probably not. i think sasha is a pretty leet dude with good knowledge of crypto and credit/debit payment gateways, and now he has serious capital to play with to put his brain to good use

all of you people talking shout about eastern europeans in blanket statements is fucking ridiculous. how about we all calm down and wait a few months for developments? let them work

you invested in an ico, you aren't grinding away at any new platforms - you're panicking and most of you probably put less than $500 into waves

$7M is garbage compared to what the waves team can turn this project into. they could be generating that every week a year from now. straight up cashing out and going into hiding when you can become a boss in the crypto world is fucking stupid and sasha isn't stupid. i think this is peanuts compared to what he wants to accomplish

love,
an actually successful internet entrepreneur who's been making $ on the internet since the late 90s

[superresistant]

a bunch of Russian IPO scammers
these scammers crash the market in a rush to buy Lamborghinis for themselves
You got these Waves Russians, Vitalik Russian, and Come from Beyond Russian IPO scammers tripping over themselves desperate to cash out their scams

Why the racism ?

Fuck off ?

[seaman staines]

The waves ICO had no rules for the organizers apart from the network had to be successfully launched before the funds could be be released. There was nothing stopping them dumping the ICO funds and those funds make the devs multi-millionaires. It's a wonder it took them this long to start dumping them.

Escrow services for WAVES ICO are provided by:
Alexander Kuzmin, mycelium.com founder.
Paul Klanschek, coinimal.com founder.

2 out of 3 multisignature  service from Coinbase.com is used.
The funds will be released upon successful launch of WAVES network and after the balances at the ICO site can be withdrawn to WAVES wallets addresses.

[sasha35625]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.
https://blockchain.info/address/35fe2CM2zbMeSfhRjpjW8ikTJcZj8NooFD official Waves cold wallet
5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC. 1 k out of it is spent on WAVES buy-back.

[superresistant]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.
https://blockchain.info/address/35fe2CM2zbMeSfhRjpjW8ikTJcZj8NooFD official Waves cold wallet
5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC. 1 k out of it is spent on WAVES buy-back.

Well done.

Now OP can close the thread.

[TravelsAsia]

You morons gave 30,000 free BTC to a bunch of Russian IPO scammers.  No wonder BTC is down.  You probably all own more BTC than altcoins and just devalued the fuck out of your investment by letting these scammers crash the market in a rush to buy Lamborghinis for themselves.

That's probably what we were looking at on BTCE today.  The price was over $600, yet you have people trying to unload BTC $50 under market value for absolutely no reason on BTCE.  You got these Waves Russians, Vitalik Russian, and Come from Beyond Russian IPO scammers tripping over themselves desperate to cash out their scams as fast as possible on BTCE

You have a serious problem with Russians. You should try to see a psychologist. That probably come from beyond a problem that you had during childhood.

If you need help the whole Bitcoin community will be there for you, and i'm sure the russian part of it will help you even more.

Too much Rocky IV.

[bones261]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.
https://blockchain.info/address/35fe2CM2zbMeSfhRjpjW8ikTJcZj8NooFD official Waves cold wallet
5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC. 1 k out of it is spent on WAVES buy-back.

Good, thanks for the transparency. 

[iamnotback]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

[sofu]

5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[superresistant]

5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

LOL
Longs getting rekt

[r0ach]

5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Why not just unload all of your IPO scam profits onto this guy instead of trying to crash the BTC market on purpose?  If this guy wants to buy 25,000 coins, just go ahead and sell all of yours to him since we know your goal is just to get enough fiat to buy lambos:

https://twitter.com/BitfuryGeorge/status/746214539310489601

[r0ach]

5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://s31.postimg.org/87nyk0rqz/wdd.png

Sasha are you a fucking idiot?  You don't sell 5000 BTC at once unless you're trying to crash the market on purpose.

Sell your BTC over the counter to this guy who wants to buy 25,000:

https://twitter.com/BitfuryGeorge/status/746214539310489601

[pork pie]

5 k is withdrawn for current and upcoming development and marketing costs, good moment to sell BTC.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://s31.postimg.org/87nyk0rqz/wdd.png

Sasha are you a fucking idiot?  You don't sell 5000 BTC at once unless you're trying to crash the market on purpose.

Sell your BTC over the counter to this guy who wants to buy 25,000:

https://twitter.com/BitfuryGeorge/status/746214539310489601

Sasha would get a far better price selling OTC than through a normal exchange because of slippage. Itbit is another alternative he could use to get a far higher price for his coins than dumping them on a normal exchange. It had 19k bitcoin volume last month.

https://www.itbit.com/otc

This page shows the 19k bitcoins sold OTC through itbit last May.

https://www.itbit.com/blog/itbit-bitcoin-otc-market-recap-may-2016-infographic

[iamnotback]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

Sasha still hasn't answered.

[patronis]

It's pretty depressing what's going on with Waves, but it's just a matter of patience

[sasha35625]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

Sasha still hasn't answered.

OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387944.0
Section Escrow.
as for the other question, what reasons do you have for these accusations, I'm sorry?

[TravelsAsia]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

Sasha still hasn't answered.

OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387944.0
Section Escrow.
as for the other question, what reasons do you have for these accusations, I'm sorry?

Monthly expense report will be transparent, I don't understand why people have their panties in a wad.

[iamnotback]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

Sasha still hasn't answered.

OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387944.0
Section Escrow.
as for the other question, what reasons do you have for these accusations, I'm sorry?

Thank you sasha for the answer. Please see my logic on how ICOs can be manipulated with loans:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1524111.msg15340159#msg15340159

Please explain how you can prove you haven't taken out a loan to buy the ICO from yourself, for the following purpose:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15343686#msg15343686
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1483658.msg15362517#msg15362517

[TravelsAsia]

According to escrow agreement the funds have to be transferred from the escrow address.

Where can we read this escrow agreement? Direct link please.

How can we be sure you are not paying back a BTC loan that was used to buy WAVES tokens from yourself during the IPO?

Sasha still hasn't answered.

OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387944.0
Section Escrow.
as for the other question, what reasons do you have for these accusations, I'm sorry?

Thank you sasha for the answer. Please see my logic on how ICOs can be manipulated with loans:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1524111.msg15340159#msg15340159

Please explain how you can prove you haven't taken out a loan to buy the ICO from yourself, for the following purpose:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15343686#msg15343686
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1483658.msg15362517#msg15362517

Instead please continue growing the platform. People just love to waste time in here.

[iamnotback]

Instead please continue growing the platform. People just love to waste time in here.

Please don't try to cover up the truth. Let him answer.

The same question will be asked of Rise and Lisk.

[bones261]

Instead please continue growing the platform. People just love to waste time in here.

Please don't try to cover up the truth. Let him answer.

The same question will be asked of Rise and Lisk.

They already distributed 9 million coins to themselves. That's plenty of coins to manipulate the market when the supply is set at 100 million, with no more to ever be created. They are also using 1K of ICO funds to buy back even more coins. Interesting how the market appears to be suppressed now. They also distributed 4 million coins to "strategical partners and backers."

[gogodr]

i sold 15000 waves, 75% of my holdings on day 1 at about 0.00041 because waves didn't receive much of any mainstream media press - thus sellers outnumbered buyers by a wiiiiide margin. that was obvious to me and should have been to everyone else

kept 25% for a reason though

sasha coded coinomat and waves might rival motherfucking coinbase one day

it would be speculative and idiotic of them NOT to turn the ICO BTC into fiat. that would be counterproductive and bad for the business of waves. waves is a business

was it a scam? maybe, but probably not. i think sasha is a pretty leet dude with good knowledge of crypto and credit/debit payment gateways, and now he has serious capital to play with to put his brain to good use

all of you people talking shout about eastern europeans in blanket statements is fucking ridiculous. how about we all calm down and wait a few months for developments? let them work

you invested in an ico, you aren't grinding away at any new platforms - you're panicking and most of you probably put less than $500 into waves

$7M is garbage compared to what the waves team can turn this project into. they could be generating that every week a year from now. straight up cashing out and going into hiding when you can become a boss in the crypto world is fucking stupid and sasha isn't stupid. i think this is peanuts compared to what he wants to accomplish

love,
an actually successful internet entrepreneur who's been making $ on the internet since the late 90s

Given Sasha's history and the involvement of jl777 in the project, I'm inclined to say it's worth staying for the long haul.

[iamnotback]

Instead please continue growing the platform. People just love to waste time in here.

Please don't try to cover up the truth. Let him answer.

The same question will be asked of Rise and Lisk.

They already distributed 9 million coins to themselves. That's plenty of coins to manipulate the market when the supply is set at 100 million, with no more to ever be created. They are also using 1K of ICO funds to buy back even more coins. Interesting how the market appears to be suppressed now. They also distributed 4 million coins to "strategical partners and backers."

Thank you for the information. I hope someone can document that, so it is a fact and not a hearsay.

I hope he also answers my question.

I am not here to play altcoin police. So I will not harp on this. Speculators should be free to do what ever they want and decide to use trust instead of trustless paradigms if they so desire.

I've asked the questions. Cheers.

The bolded part in your response is exactly what ETH/DAO is. Not to say these maniacs can't push the price much higher in the future but the con will only last so long.

The way the insiders manipulate the market with these premined tokens is explained, and note the high leverage employed which means if they run out of tokens to margin with, it is like a house-of-cards and will implode to 0 in a heartbeat:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1524111.msg15340159#msg15340159

They siphon off BTC for as long as they can and high as they can pump it, then game over and they walk away with BTC and the fools walk away with empty bags.

Also some (including the Daoattacker) allege that the USGovt + MIT (university) are complicit in the ETH pump:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15343686#msg15343686