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Author Topic: [ANN][TES] ϟ The Tesla ϟ Decentralize the Energy System ϟ TeslaStarter  (Read 69329 times)
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August 06, 2017, 09:18:18 PM
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definately not! Your coins will be safe, believe me you have nothing to worry about. Do you have a backup of the dat file before the send?
If so even better.
One last thing, what is your current block your wallet is on? you can find out by Help-Debug window-information tab, should be on block 1293604. If you are on that block, no problem as the blockchain is slowed right down I suspect to some very old coins staking. it will be sorted soon I expect.
Yes I have a buckup. And yes I'm on that block right now but it says it's out of sync right now Sad Thanks for the response though!
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August 06, 2017, 09:42:14 PM
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definately not! Your coins will be safe, believe me you have nothing to worry about. Do you have a backup of the dat file before the send?
If so even better.
One last thing, what is your current block your wallet is on? you can find out by Help-Debug window-information tab, should be on block 1293604. If you are on that block, no problem as the blockchain is slowed right down I suspect to some very old coins staking. it will be sorted soon I expect.
Yes I have a buckup. And yes I'm on that block right now but it says it's out of sync right now Sad Thanks for the response though!

There is no one with a wallet connected to the network right now that has a stake that should receive its interest so there's no one, at this moment, who can create the block for your transaction.  So your transaction is awaiting that. 

Though I doubt this should really create an issue in the long run, I do think it would be wise if it were implemented into the code to allow people (or allow them if they so choose) to mine the blocks merely for the fee.  If your wallet is open, hell, why not.  Its how Bitcoin is programmed to behave after there are no more bitcoins to be mined from the system.
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August 06, 2017, 10:31:58 PM
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That's a great question but it's not correctly focused. I mean, POS will stop once we arrive to 75 million coins.

There are 72,661,281 TES coins out.  So there's 2,338,719 coins left to be staked out.

At 1% of 72,661,281 coins out and being staked per month, that's 726,612.81 per month.

That's 2.33 months left worth of staking coins (if everyone is staking their coins at all times).  Suggesting 70 days left.  Rounding up, October 16th, 2017 is when we will have staked and mined all Tesla coin.

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This will have a positive consecuence for the investors because there will be no more 12% annual inflation.

In the other side, we will have to maintain the network without that profit.

We've been discussing and planning how to make sure the network keeps running smoothly.

Well yes, its good for investors, but since the point of mining and staking is to incentivize people to maintain the network, something will have to be done or that investment won't mean anything either.

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The most simple one is that having a node on Raspberry cost less than 1$ month on electricity.

That wouldn't incentivize people and would cause the network to be controlled too highly by the one individual who provided the raspberry pie.

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Anyway, we have planned and keep brainstoming actions to make sure there are enought nodes around the world.

Well Bitcoin is supposed to provide the transaction fees to anyone mining.  I was under the impression that Teslacoin was going to do the same thing so as to minimize the costs associated with running any nodes and incentivize people to maintain the network.  Perhaps I misunderstood.

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To sum up, no need to care about that.

Well, not for another 70 days perhaps.  Its odd, I always thought there were transactions fees already being levied in Teslacoin, regardless of how small they were, yet I just looked through about a dozen blocks and didn't see any. 

I would suggest that if transaction fees could be implemented, might as well do it now.  At least that way when people aren't staking, they might still help create blocks to allow transactions to go through (as there hasn't been a block in hours).  Not to mention, if no one has noticed, since this new update, blocks, when someone is staking, are blasting out like 10+ blocks a minute, instead of one every 30 seconds. This may be caused by the "difficulty" associated with the "staking" and the algorithm changing the "difficulty" to make it "easier" or faster to mine a block due to such a long time of no blocks.  The error in that is that staking is so much different than conventional mining that altering the equation such that time necessary to create a block due to the change in difficulty will result in blocks that take mere seconds.  So we then have huge boom and bust cycles of blocks and transactions are stalled in the interim.  That's likely going to be a bit tricky as the difficulty is likely being used to distinguish who deserves to have their coins "staked" first while it is also inextricably linked to the frequency at which blocks are created.  Might be able to add code to alter it such that no matter what, no more than 1 block per 30 seconds can be created.  The 30 second blocks also help with the speed of transactions so we probably wouldn't want to change that to a higher time either.

Summary; my suggestion, at this time, is to implement fees (perhaps even give people the tools to set the fees they require/want in their wallet before their wallet will automatically create a block for a given or given set of transactions) and allow people, even when staking, to receive fees.  That should also result in it being fixed even before we hit the 75 million as it will immediately award 0 stake, but will reward whatever transactions fees are appropriate such that people are still motivated to "stake" and or maintain the network. We could do "mining" for the network (perhaps even now, set it up as a separate set of equations to current staking) such that when the network is idle and there is a transaction that is available to be bound to a block, that all the wallets currently open will try to stake that block, then whichever wallet has been "staking" (in this alternative sense) the longest and or the "most" offers the network a block option, the one with the greatest staking value will be awarded the declaration of the "correct" block and the transaction fee.  This would be overridden by anyone who has actual staking to be done at that given moment (so that this would remain valid even before the 75 million are hit).  The longest "staking" would also be correlated such that all other nodes could confirm that that block came from the node with the most staking "value" built up.  Depending on how that is done/coded that could also allow a cycle of everyone, equally, who are "staking" (in this secondary staking context) to actually take part in the creation of blocks.  I don't know if that would actually be the goal or if there would be a focus upon the number of coins the given person was staking (in this secondary staking context).  Or perhaps somewhere in between.  I think that detail could correlate with a great amount of discussion. Or, perhaps a sliding scale.  The number of coins you have builds up more "staking" value, that is used to "compete" with other wallets/nodes for a given block with fees.  The fewer coins you have staking the slower your "staking value" is increased, thereby not denying you the ability to take part in mining, but not giving you as much such that it will take you longer to "compete" for a given block. 

Or maybe we should go back to POW after 75 million?  Well, i guess that would contradict the whole "energy efficiency" of Teslacoin at that point, so I guess that's not an option.  Either way.  Hope I gave some usable ideas.  Now if only I could master how to program with any level of competence then maybe I could help more specifically.
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August 06, 2017, 11:09:24 PM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh
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August 06, 2017, 11:12:50 PM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not at all
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August 07, 2017, 12:59:33 AM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close
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August 07, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.
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August 07, 2017, 08:16:38 AM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.

If your attempt is to get cheap Teslacoin, you are trying in vain. Otherwise don't worry, Teslacoin is still alive and kicking.
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August 07, 2017, 08:45:06 AM
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.

Self evident?  I think you're getting ahead of yourself.  There are merely imperfections in the programming at the moment that can result in brief periods that lack consistent block creation.
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August 07, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
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I'm fully synced. But not staking last 4 days.

https://pasteboard.co/GEycB9J.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/GEycWYH.jpg
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August 07, 2017, 03:41:21 PM
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Why does not the wallet synchronize, stand on the side 1293696 and nothing happens?


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August 07, 2017, 07:36:35 PM
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Why does not the wallet synchronize, stand on the side 1293696 and nothing happens?

The block chain is awaiting someone who has coins actively staking such that they can then code the next block. 
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August 08, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
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Why does not the wallet synchronize, stand on the side 1293696 and nothing happens?

Already moving forward





I'm fully synced. But not staking last 4 days.

https://pasteboard.co/GEycB9J.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/GEycWYH.jpg

Not sure why... I've been staking...






Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

You're tx will be included. Don't worry.






Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

Improve your FUD  Wink





[...] Its odd, I always thought there were transactions fees already being levied in Teslacoin, regardless of how small they were, yet I just looked through about a dozen blocks and didn't see any. 

I would suggest that if transaction fees could be implemented, might as well do it now.  At least that way when people aren't staking, they might still help create blocks to allow transactions to go through (as there hasn't been a block in hours).  Not to mention, if no one has noticed, since this new update, blocks, when someone is staking, are blasting out like 10+ blocks a minute, instead of one every 30 seconds. This may be caused by the "difficulty" associated with the "staking" and the algorithm changing the "difficulty" to make it "easier" or faster to mine a block due to such a long time of no blocks.  The error in that is that staking is so much different than conventional mining that altering the equation such that time necessary to create a block due to the change in difficulty will result in blocks that take mere seconds.  So we then have huge boom and bust cycles of blocks and transactions are stalled in the interim.  That's likely going to be a bit tricky as the difficulty is likely being used to distinguish who deserves to have their coins "staked" first while it is also inextricably linked to the frequency at which blocks are created.  Might be able to add code to alter it such that no matter what, no more than 1 block per 30 seconds can be created.  The 30 second blocks also help with the speed of transactions so we probably wouldn't want to change that to a higher time either.

Summary; my suggestion, at this time, is to implement fees (perhaps even give people the tools to set the fees they require/want in their wallet before their wallet will automatically create a block for a given or given set of transactions) and allow people, even when staking, to receive fees.  That should also result in it being fixed even before we hit the 75 million as it will immediately award 0 stake, but will reward whatever transactions fees are appropriate such that people are still motivated to "stake" and or maintain the network. We could do "mining" for the network (perhaps even now, set it up as a separate set of equations to current staking) such that when the network is idle and there is a transaction that is available to be bound to a block, that all the wallets currently open will try to stake that block, then whichever wallet has been "staking" (in this alternative sense) the longest and or the "most" offers the network a block option, the one with the greatest staking value will be awarded the declaration of the "correct" block and the transaction fee.  This would be overridden by anyone who has actual staking to be done at that given moment (so that this would remain valid even before the 75 million are hit).  The longest "staking" would also be correlated such that all other nodes could confirm that that block came from the node with the most staking "value" built up.  Depending on how that is done/coded that could also allow a cycle of everyone, equally, who are "staking" (in this secondary staking context) to actually take part in the creation of blocks.  I don't know if that would actually be the goal or if there would be a focus upon the number of coins the given person was staking (in this secondary staking context).  Or perhaps somewhere in between.  I think that detail could correlate with a great amount of discussion. Or, perhaps a sliding scale.  The number of coins you have builds up more "staking" value, that is used to "compete" with other wallets/nodes for a given block with fees.  The fewer coins you have staking the slower your "staking value" is increased, thereby not denying you the ability to take part in mining, but not giving you as much such that it will take you longer to "compete" for a given block. 

Or maybe we should go back to POW after 75 million?  Well, i guess that would contradict the whole "energy efficiency" of Teslacoin at that point, so I guess that's not an option.  Either way.  Hope I gave some usable ideas.  Now if only I could master how to program with any level of competence then maybe I could help more specifically.

Thanks for your ideas. We don't plan to change the fundamentals but fees are gonna be neccesary.
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August 08, 2017, 03:25:54 PM
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what is this?

21:24:29

getmininginfo


21:24:29

{
"blocks" : 1294404,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 1.46811084,
"errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers.",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}


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August 09, 2017, 02:41:02 AM
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Thanks for your ideas. We don't plan to change the fundamentals but fees are gonna be neccesary.

I don't expect a change of the fundamentals, must most of my suggestions revolved around adhering to the basic concept of the coin. Otherwise, who will be motivated to "mine" the blocks even for a fee?
If its PoW then we lose energy efficiency claims.
If its PoS then you have to decide who has priority over others.  Shall the richest control the market?
What happens when no one is staking at given time and people want to buy things with Teslacoin?
If you don't prioritize in some way then what decides who gets to win the "battle" of the hashes and gets the fee for the block over everyone else?
Shall it be the one who gets it done fastest?  Oh wait, now we're back to PoW. 

See the cycle?

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August 09, 2017, 02:42:59 AM
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what is this?

21:24:29

getmininginfo


21:24:29

{
"blocks" : 1294404,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 1.46811084,
"errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers.",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}


The wallet hasn't been hard-updated with the most recent checkpoint yet, that's all.  It has no impact except to startle each person until they realize that's what it means.
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August 09, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh
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August 09, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
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I've created a reddit thread so we can be there too

Please go there and show some love!!   Smiley Smiley

https://www.reddit.com/r/Teslamovement/









Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

No matter how old are you coins, they should be staking.  Smiley





I think your ideas and proposals are very good. This is a very important topic for TES future and as always everything has pros and cons.

I don't expect a change of the fundamentals, must most of my suggestions revolved around adhering to the basic concept of the coin. Otherwise, who will be motivated to "mine" the blocks even for a fee?
People will have 2 motivations. The economic one (fees) and personal one (They want to see Tesla's work crowdfunded and completed)


If its PoW then we lose energy efficiency claims.
There is auxPow option which uses the PoW that already exists. Problem there is that we need to have enought economical motivation for pool to include us and mining centralization.


If its PoS then you have to decide who has priority over others.  Shall the richest control the market?
That's PoS about. The ones who have more stake are the most interested in keep the blockchain running.
Other option is the masternodes.


What happens when no one is staking at given time and people want to buy things with Teslacoin?
We expect that doesn't happen


If you don't prioritize in some way then what decides who gets to win the "battle" of the hashes and gets the fee for the block over everyone else?
Shall it be the one who gets it done fastest?  Oh wait, now we're back to PoW. 
See the cycle?
I see. Yes, fee distribution it's a point we need to work on...
The first node to distribute the tx get the fee is an option.
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August 09, 2017, 02:36:51 PM
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You spent a bounty on promoplugs.com two days ago. Why did not send the coins in my wallet, 48 hours have already passed.  My adress is 5VriAH3AVcM2737LZzxfbLV2WjnwPt51AW
Check please.

He had to download the new wallet and sync so it's taking more than expected. Sorry for that.
Guess you'll have your coins in less than 24h. Be patient please
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Yeah really strange. Syncing without problems. Just not staking. This drives me crazy lol.
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