[POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag?

[Cablez]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Why 3?

Because one is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

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[Gator-hex]

Forget refunds, what would a gold miner do if their equipment supplier didn't deliver and they lost production?...

...sue someone for breach of contract and damages!  

Greedy ASIC supplier vs. greedy lawyer.. FIGHT!

[Korbman]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Why 3?

It's a magic number. Remember when ONLY three people requested refunds from BFL? 3's the tipping point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU4pyiB-kq0


1 disgruntled BFL customer is generally easy to find..and I'm sure if they didn't receive their refund within 5 minutes of request they'd go around claiming "SCAM" (just look at all the BitInstant threads out there).
2 customers with refund problems could be just a fluke..or a mix between the disgruntled dumbass and someone with an actual problem.
But 3 people..well that's the start of a pattern

[JohnCoins]

I think it's safe to say that the customers with the real refund problem are the ones who didn't request one in the first place.  It's too bad that people are going to lose so much money because of their greed.

[nagnagnag2]

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Al Gore.
Barack Obama.
Sarah Palin.

(You didn't say that they needed to have an order at BFL at first...)

[Korbman]

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Al Gore.
Barack Obama.
Sarah Palin.

(You didn't say that they needed to have an order at BFL at first...)

Fair point ..but I also know it's because you can't find people who got "scammed" out of their refund who have ordered from BFL

[Frankie Delaney]

There is no proof Lightning miner ran away or will run away with the customers money. Until there is such proof, one can go mad, rage, whatever, but
can't really call them scammers. They are late, they gave false promises, they might actualy deliver no product at all - still not enough
for scammer tag.

You think you are doing the right thing bitching around here but you are doing so much unneccessary additional damage to Bitcoin. Like it
is not enough Lightning miner is late and all other shits happening. Like wasting your and others time posting here will speedup the thing, or something.

There is no proof primeAsic ran away or will run away with the customers money. Until there is such proof, one can go mad, rage, whatever, but
can't really call them scammers. They are late, they gave false promises, they might actualy deliver no product at all - still not enough
for scammer tag.

You think you are doing the right thing bitching around here but you are doing so much unneccessary additional damage to Bitcoin. Like it
is not enough primeAsic is late and all other shits happening. Like wasting your and others time posting here will speedup the thing, or something.

There is no proof labsnovo ran away or will run away with the customers money. Until there is such proof, one can go mad, rage, whatever, but
can't really call them scammers. They are late, they gave false promises, they might actualy deliver no product at all - still not enough
for scammer tag.

You think you are doing the right thing bitching around here but you are doing so much unneccessary additional damage to Bitcoin. Like it
is not enough labsnovo is late and all other shits happening. Like wasting your and others time posting here will speedup the thing, or something.

[nagnagnag2]

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Al Gore.
Barack Obama.
Sarah Palin.

(You didn't say that they needed to have an order at BFL at first...)

Fair point ..but I also know it's because you can't find people who got "scammed" out of their refund who have ordered from BFL

I have an order and tried to cancel that order without any success. So, you can count me as at least one.

[Syke]

There is no proof BFL ran away or will run away with the customers money. Until there is such proof, one can go mad, rage, whatever, but
can't really call them scammers. They are late, they gave false promises, they might actualy deliver no product at all - still not enough
for scammer tag.

Tom was slow in processing refunds, and he was given the Scammer tag. BFL is no better.

[Xian01]

Tag as a scammer. Remove tag if/when they ship out their first batch and it's verified working.

These last two weeks have been an inexcusable Vaudevillian comedy of errors.

[Red_Evil]

Tag as a scammer. Remove tag if/when they ship out their first batch and it's verified working.

These last two weeks have been an inexcusable Vaudevillian comedy of errors.

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But we all know there it will never happen because BFL spend to much for Bitcointalk ads per week

[PulsedMedia]

Tom was slow in processing refunds, and he was given the Scammer tag. BFL is no better.

and to date Tom still hasn't refunded everyone, or even majority AFAIK. I'm one of those waiting for a refund, with no replies to anything.

[JohnCoins]

It might be good to introduce "Scammer On Hold" tag, for the cases where there is no proof someone took money and is just gonne, pufff!
There is a difference between "took money and just gonne, puff!" and "having difficulties with refunding customers", "our chips don't work
as expected, you will have to wait until improved chips arive" or similar scenarios.

What is gonne is gonne, case closed. Situation with BFL, Tom and some other entities is not at that stage yet. You can be pissed on them,
but calling for a scammer tag and applying one won't bring any good to the situation, will it? You yourself might actualy push the situation
to the stage where your money is gonne, pufff!

Get laid, have a drink, go for a walk. Vent the rage elsewhere, this forum and around is quite a bad place for that, given it is open to public.

Is this a joke? 

If BFL (which is clearly a scam, and I truly feel sorry for anyone who fell for it) goes belly up because of accurate accusations, you would blame the accusers rather than the scammers themselves?

[greyhawk]

Is this a joke? 

If BFL (which is clearly a scam, and I truly feel sorry for anyone who fell for it) goes belly up because of accurate accusations, you would blame the accusers rather than the scammers themselves?

Welcome to BitcoinTalk. "Please don't call scammers scammers, they might disappear with our money."

[Frankie Delaney]

If BFL (which is clearly a scam, and I truly feel sorry for anyone who fell for it) goes belly up because of accurate accusations, you would blame the accusers rather than the scammers themselves?

Whatever. You are too stupid to understand. Apply the scammer tag then complain about shitload of negative Bitcoin press around.

You're right, we should just keep our mouths shut and let obvious scams take in more money. That way there's no negative press until the day they dissapear with millions.

[JohnCoins]

If BFL (which is clearly a scam, and I truly feel sorry for anyone who fell for it) goes belly up because of accurate accusations, you would blame the accusers rather than the scammers themselves?

Whatever. You are too stupid to understand. Apply the scammer tag then complain about shitload of negative Bitcoin press around.

On second thought, you are right.  We better not scare the scammers - how else will they make a living?

[JohnCoins]

How exactly bitching on BFL, Tom and others, who failed to deliver on time or didn't delivered at all, but didn't ran away with money, helps?

Ignoring some glaring grammar problems, it helps by exposing them.

[surebet]

How exactly bitching on BFL, Tom and others, who failed to deliver on time or didn't delivered at all, but didn't ran away with money, helps?

Because just because they aren't withholding refunds right this instant doesn't mean the won't in the future, especially with 6 months of extra salary for the staff to cover.

Once the flood dams will open on BFL reimbursements someone will pull the trigger too late.

[Frizz23]

BFL is keeping a portion of first batch chips for their own mining farm:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0

#1 batch customers: how you're feeling right now?

[repentance]

BFL is keeping a portion of first batch chips for their own mining farm:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0

#1 batch customers: how you're feeling right now?

Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't this refer to units which Josh personally ordered and paid for in June 2012 and in which shares were then made available?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0