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July 27, 2016, 11:11:36 PM
Last edit: July 30, 2016, 12:18:39 AM by JudgeDredd_
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Ethereum Classic is a project to keep the original censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized Ethereum

Developers will be building on our immutable chain, are you ready? Code is law.




Community

http://www.ethereumclassic.org

http://ethcwiki.org/

https://github.com/ethereumproject
https://github.com/ethereumclassic

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/

https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com/

https://telegram.me/ethclassic
https://telegram.me/ethereumclassic

https://twitter.com/ethereumclassic

QQ Groups: 361470220 - 568474359

Russian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563268
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563328
https://ethclassic.ru

Indonesian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563400

There are no bounties at this time


Exchanges

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_etc

https://poloniex.com/exchange#usdt_etc

https://poloniex.com/exchange#eth_etc

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ETC

https://www.kraken.com

https://www.bitfinex.com

https://c-cex.com/?p=etc-btc

https://shapeshift.io

https://bitsquare.io

https://www.bitwa.la

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETC_BTC

https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETC24H

https://www.coinexchange.io/market/ETC/BTC

https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC


Wallets and Explorers

https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases
https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases/download/0.8.1/Ethereum-Wallet-win64-0-8-1.zip Choose NO fork
You can't have the forked blockchain though. So if you already had this software you need to rename Mist and Ethereum in appdata to start fresh and choose no fork.

https://elaineo.github.io/etherwallet/

https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/releases

http://coinmarketcap.com

https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/etc/overview

http://polotrex.com

https://www.etc-eth.com

http://fork.ethstats.net

http://stats.ethc.io

http://www.etcminer.com

http://ethereumwisdom.com/#!/ethclassic

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com

http://explorer.ethereumclassic.com/

http://gastracker.io

https://minergate.com/blockchain/etc/blocks


Pools - I can't vouch for any though

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/etc
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/#/pools?f0=ETC

http://ethc.epool.io
http://pool.ethereumclassic.com
https://ethc.coin-miners.info
http://etc.nanopool.org
https://etcpool.io
https://etc.suprnova.cc
https://minergate.com
http://etc.coinpool.biz
http://www.ethteam.com
http://etc.poolto.be
http://yolo.ethclassic.faith
https://ethereum-classic.miningpoolhub.com
http://etc.coinpool.biz
https://www.coinotron.com
http://etc.digger.ws


Press

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/rejecting-today-s-hard-fork-the-ethereum-classic-project-continues-on-the-original-chain-here-s-why-1469038808

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/21/a-painful-lesson-for-the-ethereum-community/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/28/ethereum-the-battle-of-the-chains

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-hard-fork-creates-competing-currencies-support-ethereum-classic-rises/

https://medium.com/@zsfelfoldi/a-tale-of-two-chains-3f6d58a9df4a

https://medium.com/@Stampery/why-stampery-supports-ethereum-classic-4c86ec7cca17

https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptorune/a-ethereum-civil-war-is-happening-right-now-and-why-classic-should-win

https://ethereumheadlines.com/2016/07/25/ethereum-classic-is-now-trading-on-poloniex/

http://www.coindesk.com/tale-two-chains-ethereum/

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/07/26/case-ethereum-classic/

https://steemit.com/dao/@gedae/the-dao-and-the-benefactors

http://themerkle.com/etc-trumps-ethereum-trading-volume-on-poloniex/

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@whalepanda/what-happened-with-ethereum-usdeth-and-ethereum-classic-usdetc


Ideology

We believe in decentralized, censorship-resistant, permissionless, IMMUTABLE blockchains. We believe in the original vision of Ethereum as a world computer you can't shut down, running irreversible smart contracts. We believe in a strong separation of concerns, where system forks are only possible in order to correct actual platform bugs, not to bail out failed contracts and special interests. We believe in censorship-resistant platform that can be actually trusted - by anyone. Code is law.

More: https://medium.com/@bit_novosti/a-crypto-decentralist-manifesto-6ba1fa0b9ede


Motivation

Ethereum Foundation responded to DAO debacle in the worst way possible. Special interests controlling the Foundation are ramming through DAO bailout hardfork against principled opposition of a significant economic minority of Ethereum stakeholders. According to (diligently hidden, pro-fork) coin vote on Carbonvote, 19% of ETH holders oppose this hardfork. Also, about 22% of Ethereum miners voted against the previous 'DAO softfork' and would logically oppose hardfork as well. Such a significant minority of stakeholders should not be silenced or intimidated into submission - they should be given a clear choice.

If we want to continue to move forward and guarantee survival of the original Ethereum vision, we must fork Ethereum. This will lay the foundation to build secure decentralized applications that are actually censorship resistant.

More: https://github.com/ethereumclassic/freeworldcomputer-project


Goals

The main goal of the project is to ensure survival of the original Ethereum blockchain. We will strive to provide alternative for people who strongly disagree with DAO bailout and the direction Ethereum Foundation is taking their project. Anyone opting to remain on the original chain should have such opportunity.


Development

We fork Ethereum and maintain upstream patches similar to the relation between Redhat and CentOS, until a community can form around the project and create a road map. Until this happens we can fork multiple existing clients to help prevent a monoculture of clients. We plan to follow https://github.com/ethereum development except for any features they introduce into existing clients that violate the key principles of openness, neutrality and immutability.

Code: https://github.com/ethereumclassic


What can I do?

Please help us spread the word about this project in Ethereum community!


Volunteers

If you feel strongly about the cause, please get involved. With just days before the planned hardfork, we need your support to ensure original Ethereum survival. We need more developers, website designers, people who can write and advocate the need for Ethereum Classic. Please let us know what are your skills and how you would like to contribute. Redditors, please reply here. Github users, please open new issue.


Users

In order to remain on the original Ethereum chain, just don't upgrade to hardfork client version pushed by Ethereum Foundation. We will maintain non-fork versions of all major Ethereum clients (as well as other key software), so going forwards all the improvements will be available to you.

Fun fact. If you keep ETH under your direct control (not in a 3rd party wallet or exchange account), you will have two sets of coins instead of one post-fork. You could then install a forked Ethereum client in addition to Ethereum Classic, copy your private keys there and use your coins on both chains! You won't be so lucky if your ETH are locked with 3rd party going into the fork - some exchanges already announced that they will only return one type of coin post-fork to its users.


Miners

Miners supporting the original chain should just keep mining with current version of software for now, without upgrading to client version introducing the hardfork code. It will be always possible to download and build latest non-fork version from https://github.com/ethereumclassic.

The difficulty of the original chain will be quite high post-fork, but it will adjust to actual hashrate shortly (just 2048 blocks, a few hours). Since it is expected that most hashrate will move to hardfoked chain, post-adjustment it will be possible to obtain decent mining rewards in classic ethers even with solo mining.

Because the difficulty adjusts quickly, it will be also quite possible to solo mine soon after the fork. If you intend to mine Ethereum Classic, please don't upgrade to geth 1.4.10 just yet, due to potential vulnerability. We will inform you when it's safe to upgrade. For now, just solo-mine with geth 1.4.9 or any earlier version, or use Classic pool.


Traders

https://bitsquare.io/

Most important question for traders is 'will ETHC have market price'? There are all reasons to believe that it will. Essentially, ETHC is an Ethereum 'spinoff coin' with a wide user base of all current ETH users. Some of them will see the value of transacting on a censorship-resistant chain, some won't. This creates interesting arbitrage opportunities for smart traders. Additional reasoning why EHTC is very unlikely to be 'worthless'.

Both Poloniex a Bitfinex announced that they will assign their users both ETH and ETHC after the fork. This is a step in the right direction, now it's up to these major exchanges to enable ETH/ETHC trading that will no doubt be demanded by users. Decentralized exchange Bitsquare announced ETHC trading right after the fork. Other trading venues will follow since there is a strong business case. We are in touch with several other exchanges to add ETHC trading to their platforms. If your exchange is interested in ETHC trading, please contact us.

Let's make sure original Ethereum vision doesn't just "go gentle into that good night"!


https://github.com/ethereumclassic/README
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July 27, 2016, 11:24:29 PM
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I have requested Genessis Mining to run my contract for ETC.

Hi XXX,

We are sorry, but we are mining ETH at the moment. If we change that we will inform our clients.

Best regards,
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ETC is the original chain that we have a contract for!
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July 27, 2016, 11:26:21 PM
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I have requested Genessis Mining to run my contract for ETC.

Hi XXX,

We are sorry, but we are mining ETH at the moment. If we change that we will inform our clients.

Best regards,
Jordi
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ETC is the original chain that we have a contract for!


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July 27, 2016, 11:51:18 PM
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Reserved
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July 28, 2016, 01:06:24 AM
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What is censored about the other thread?
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July 28, 2016, 01:45:43 AM
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I have requested Genessis Mining to run my contract for ETC.

Hi XXX,

We are sorry, but we are mining ETH at the moment. If we change that we will inform our clients.

Best regards,
Jordi
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ETC is the original chain that we have a contract for!

you cant choose the poolmine at genesis?
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July 28, 2016, 02:06:08 AM
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What is censored about the other thread?

Curious to know as well.  is your ETC not forked? LOLZ. the other thread isn't self moderated though.
Anyway, Just so I can monitor what is to be exposed here, I'm watching this threads still hoping to get new info as i have invested for to ETC.

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July 28, 2016, 02:39:57 AM
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I don't understand this whole debacle. Can anyone please explain it to me an a very dumbed down kind of way. Thank you in advance.
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July 28, 2016, 03:31:05 AM
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What is censored about the other thread?

Curious to know as well.  is your ETC not forked? LOLZ. the other thread isn't self moderated though.
Anyway, Just so I can monitor what is to be exposed here, I'm watching this threads still hoping to get new info as i have invested for to ETC.

You blind?
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July 28, 2016, 07:27:08 AM
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awesome Smiley lets do this

To peel or not to peel.
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July 28, 2016, 08:21:43 AM
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I have requested Genessis Mining to run my contract for ETC.

Hi XXX,

We are sorry, but we are mining ETH at the moment. If we change that we will inform our clients.

Best regards,
Jordi
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ETC is the original chain that we have a contract for!

you cant choose the poolmine at genesis?

Genesis is cloud mining. It's not profitable anyways. lol
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This thread need some serious attention for a better Uncensored Discussion.
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July 28, 2016, 10:57:47 PM
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What is censored about the other thread?

Curious to know as well.  is your ETC not forked? LOLZ. the other thread isn't self moderated though.
Anyway, Just so I can monitor what is to be exposed here, I'm watching this threads still hoping to get new info as i have invested for to ETC.


I think this is the thread for the completely fork resistant immutable for eternity ETC... the one that won't even fork to avoid the difficulty bomb  Grin

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July 29, 2016, 05:24:12 AM
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What is censored about the other thread?

Curious to know as well.  is your ETC not forked? LOLZ. the other thread isn't self moderated though.
Anyway, Just so I can monitor what is to be exposed here, I'm watching this threads still hoping to get new info as i have invested for to ETC.

You blind?


I was just too focused on the word uncensored which is very different from the word moderated. i find these words very different in meaning.
if they all mean the same thing to you then I guess, you must have gone from hell and back to learned well than the rest. 

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July 29, 2016, 05:52:57 AM
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I don't see anything here that's been "censored" there

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July 29, 2016, 06:01:59 AM
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I don't see anything here that's been "censored" there

Exactly! all information was displayed on that thread and its no secret ETC is forked i don't think someone can hide that.
This will just confuse the rest of the users or is this set to confuse users and divide the ETC community again?

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July 29, 2016, 07:05:33 AM
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I don't see anything here that's been "censored" there

Exactly! all information was displayed on that thread and its no secret ETC is forked i don't think someone can hide that.
This will just confuse the rest of the users or is this set to confuse users and divide the ETC community again?


Yeah op needs to keep the op updated if he wants to run this

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July 29, 2016, 07:15:22 AM
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I don't see anything here that's been "censored" there

Exactly! all information was displayed on that thread and its no secret ETC is forked i don't think someone can hide that.
This will just confuse the rest of the users or is this set to confuse users and divide the ETC community again?


Yeah op needs to keep the op updated if he wants to run this

Are you supporting forking to avoid the difficulty bomb in the other thread?
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July 29, 2016, 07:18:15 AM
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Ethf hasn't decided either. Our community will do forks if needed that don't change balances.

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July 30, 2016, 12:19:48 AM
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Edited the title to suit it better Smiley
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