[PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Unmoderated thread

[YIz]

Wasserman99 decided to delete one of my posts on his thread, I have no idea why, it was just a random post.

Anyways, people think this coin might be a scam and I really think it needs an unmoderated thread because he deletes some comments. so there you go.

Original topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0
Altcoin discussion thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570356.0
Scam accusation by scammerdie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226

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[kellendil]

Yes i invested in this project but unfortunately it seems like a scam. İ looked up for the hao and the frank guy but no real informations about them. We told the dev several times to host a interview with the coders but he cant even answer us.

[raphma]

if you want to open a thread about this coin, i think it would be better if you bring everything about the coin to this thread too.

[YIz]

if you want to open a thread about this coin, i think it would be better if you bring everything about the coin to this thread too.

I cannot post pictures 

[kellendil]

if you want to open a thread about this coin, i think it would be better if you bring everything about the coin to this thread too.

I cannot post pictures  

give me the link i will quote mate

[Shame_Game]

76.2 BTC

[YIz]

if you want to open a thread about this coin, i think it would be better if you bring everything about the coin to this thread too.

I cannot post pictures  

give me the link i will quote mate

Which link? I didn't really get what you mean

[rindo]

76.2 BTC

cool 76.2 BTC so far

pretty sure will hit to 100 BTC+

[kellendil]

Introduction

Is time to present Opair, the definite crypto-platform for everyone. Our ambitions are very high. For starters, we want Opair to have a fair distribution, focusing on a mass market, developing progressive and real goals in a new platform coded from scratch inspired on Bitcoin and Ethereum to offer the best of both worlds with new developments to go a step forward into the future.
 
For now we are small group (three people working full-time, one external advisor and two freelancer developers) in charge of the project. Given the time we have been working on this and after looking for different ways to optimize and make more efficient the project we were able to put up a team which will help us to achieve our goals in the short term. We look forward to become the number one alternative for those who want to deviate from centralized systems by offering a platform that is focused on design and being user-friendly on one hand, and on the other that it allows to follow an upward learning curve. We are really excited with this project and the challenge that it presents itself.

We decided that Opair will also be our name, as it stands for Open and Fair which are the two key elements that we seek to fulfill:

Open Project: The code and our new language will be documented, open source and it will be found at Github.

Fair Distribution: We have been analyzing the last ICO´s and we realized that the distribution is not as fair as it should be. On the one hand, most of the distribution of the coins usually is in the hands of so few, that’s why we decided that approximately 9% of the coin will be distributed old school through PoW. On the other hand, most developers don´t distribute 100% of the coins and they keep a portion (%) in their hands as background/developer and bounty funds, so we want to highlight that 0% will be retained by us.


 

(It is an extensive video that introduces the project to anyone without prior knowledge. It's worth seeing!)

 

• Colored Coins

Our goal is to provide support to the Colored Coins, whose objective is to represent and manage any value/asset/fungible good (like equities, bonds, commodities, fiat currencies, game items, etc.) on top of the Opair blockchain. They can be stored digitally without the interference of a third party and be exchanged for other colored coins or standard XPO in a transaction. The code that is responsible for managing the Colored Coins is in the top of the Opair blockchain, so all implementations will allow its use within our wallet and will not need a specific client. This will provide more simplicity, security, will be more capable.

• Smart Contracts

As regards Smart Contracts (to support DAOs, legal contracts, crowdfundings, prediction markets, IoT, Prediction Markets, Dapps, etc.) we decided to work with functional programming instead of imperative programming languages after doing some research on Solidity. Although neither Haskell nor OCaml, the most recognizable functional programming languages, meet our expectations we decided to work with a personalized version of Ocaml. Soon we will be offering a wiki in Github with documents on the language but if you already handle OCaml you should have no problems with it. Our approach will not be to get an easy to code language, instead it will be reaching a solid solution that it will not be easy to be manipulated but it will make a difference. Some considerations about Haskell and Ocaml:

1) Although OCaml a fewer number collection of libraries, these have higher quality than Haskell.

2) OCaml has more presence in industrial and financial solutions. It has a great support for parallel and concurrent computing.

3) Haskell has typeclasses. OCaml has higher-order modules. Typeclasses are good "in the small" for things like overloading arithmetic operators. Modules are good "in the large" for structural industrial-size code bases. For Example: https://ocaml.org/learn/companies.html

4) Both of them have strong points but we had to make up our minds and we chose OCaml for the reasons listed above. For those who handle both languages will surely agree on the fact that OCaml is easier to handle.  

Furthermore we intend to meet online with Xavier Leroy, the main developer of the OCaml System to show him our modifications and insights behind our project. Some more examples: http://cufp.galois.com/2007/slides/XavierLeroy.pdf

• Market Core with decentralized reputation system

The market will allow you to buy and sell gods or services from the Opair´s platform. It will include a system of reputation in which anyone who has made business can qualify the seller bringing trust and transparency. Also it will be separated by categories and tags.

• Private chains

In those cases there will be an entity that will manage the blockchain which can change the  rules, if so desired, revert transactions and modify balances and so on given that they have the write permissions (they can be either public or not).  

Along by the private chains we will give support to a more descentralised (semi) alternative known as consortium chains which will be run by a pre-elected set of nodes instead of only one. Likewise, they will count with advantages with regard to the mainchain depending on the circumstances such as:

1)   It should be point out that speed of transactions will be greater in comparison to the offered in the mainchain due to the fact that there will be few nodes verified and given they are all mostly reliable it will not be necessary to verify them all. These will count with high end computers and the best internet connection.  

2)   Every block chain will be configurable under certain standards that we will establish which will show the requirements and goals of their creators.

3)   Transactions will be far cheaper than the mainchain given that only a few nodes will have to be verified (there will be no need of charging if there is only one person who processes all of the transactions).

As you can imagine these blockchains offer a more efficient, faster and outstanding solution mostly for companies and financial or governamental organizations who can use it for auditing, developing or optimize their organization. Also it will work as a testing ground mostly to test smart contracts, develop or just to play around. Even though in most cases public chains are outstanding, it is equally true that in particular cases a greater control over the chain is imperative. We want to offer along with our platform a solution for both cases.

• Alias System

We want to create an ALIAS system. It will work with a registration, similar to domains, to leave behind those long and tiring traditional adresses. This will benefit especially but not excusively to businesses who wish to join our network.

• Decentralized debit cards

Debit cards were in our minds since day one, for it is one of the preferred payment methods of customers nowadays and we aim to mass market adoption, so this goal may not be too surprising. The idea is to eliminate all the intermediaries in the process in order to save time and money, and also the unwanted consequences that brings centralization (frozen accounts, delays, usage of our own private information, etc). Note that it will have disadvantages such as if you wish to create and load your own cards you will need to have a particular hardware. On the other hand, there will be lots of payment terminals/point of sale terminals that will receive a special update with a custom firmware made by us in order to accept our debit cards (this will happen with payment terminals/point of sale non- EMV compatibles). In most terminals compatible with EMV (for more information about EMV visit: http://www.emv-connection.com/emv-faq/ and https://www.level2kernel.com/emv-guide.html) will work without any problems but you can still use our firmware to have advantages like counting with Opair´s branding or offer high performance.    

It is a system that still needs work on optimization in further tests because we are running tests that run on approximately 8 to 9 seconds per transaction. Said function is going to be one of the first to be optimized in our Beta version (you can find out below how to participate on Beta version).  

Our final goal it is that any person can create their own debit card, anywhere, and a few moments later, carry it out and about without difficulties. We would like to be the firsts in launching this feature that we will be seeked and cherished in the near future and as we are an open source project we would like to share it to all the community as we understand this philosophy as a benefit that benefits the community as a whole. This will also allow growth, improvement and usage from other projects. We understand that Emunie is working in a similar solution but it still not publicly available therefore if we manage to keep it up and running steadily in first place, it will be brilliant. We would like to have a meeting, given the territorial closeness with Fuserleer, which can be very beneficial for both projects. We will try to arrange a meeting between Frank and Fuserleer in the future.  

• Crowdfunding platform

We aim to create a platform that can boost any innovating idea that needs resources or budget to take off. You just need to set a goal, rewards and a deadline. Another perk is that you will find the security that brings a decentralized platform, open sourced and without intermediaries taking big percentages from investments.

• Transactions speed and Scalability

When we speak of scalability, we must speak about one of the most important problems found in blockchains nowadays, that’s why we want Opair to be prepared since day one to support more transactions per second than Bitcoin’s network allows and to offer a top speed for each transaction (seconds, not minutes). This has to be a must-have if we want to reach all audiences and that it enables its use all over the world.  

Ideally we would like, for starters, to get a 200 tps and build up from there as usage grows (as a remainder Bitcoin’s network is restricted to a sustained rate of 7 tps due to the Bitcoin protocol restricting block sizes to 1 MB). Even though there are current solutions that offer 1000 tps  (or more) we believe that they are not following the line of work that we would like. We are taking into consideration a lot of elements like blockchain size, internet bandwidth, processing power, private chains etc., when it comes to outline the course that our solution will offer and analyzing the different alternatives on this subject. On the other hand, regarding private chains, as we said before each of them will be completely configurable under some standards in which the needs and goals of the creators will be reflected. Also given the features mentioned above, they do not have scalability issues, at least not in comparison to public chain.

More information will be available on our White Paper.  

• Privacy Solutions

This is a distant future fieldwork because it is something we do not want to overlook but we understand there more pressing fieldworks before focusing on this matter.  

Speaking about current solutions we discourage the implementation of ring signatures because it “only” generates more layer of anonymity in transactions and not full anonymity. At the moment we do not have clear the path that we will establish in this matter and this will be something we will definitely define in the future given its importance.    

After analyzing current technologies, we consider Zcash proposal is outstanding and it is the only one that offers the level of anonymity that we want to give Opair. Zooko Wilcox and their team behind Zcash have a great solution in their hands and they are a sample of the innovation that can be achieved in that area. Any workthrough regarding the matter will be communicated through our media channels.

• Beta Rules

-   They will be open to all users. There will be no restrictions and anyone who fills the form (bear in mind there is a maximum capacity) will be able to participate. They will be open in order to show more transparency but, we hope that all participants follow our guidelines so as to insurance the Beta’s success. While each Beta version will have the goal of finding bugs in the code and trying out the new features, it may also have a specific objective. For example, to make a hack or stress test.  

-   Each Beta version will have a documented version of their Github’s results so that those users who could not participate, can access them.  

-   As we said throughout the thread, the idea is to launch a basic platform shortly after the ICO ends to start the distribution and, at the same time, try out the first Beta versions of our new platform. Once we have our first stable version we will transfer everyone to it on a pre-set date so as everybody is on the loop and no one is taken by surprise. The mining will continue on the new platform taking into consideration the stage found under the rules set it in here. We estimate that we will have the first public Beta two weeks after we finish distributing the ICO and the first steady version two months after the ICO. It may seem like a lot of time at first, but in order to achieve a solid and steady development it is truly a short one. Fortunately, we have been working on this project for months now and our expectations are high.  

-   They will be announced on our website, in Medium and on this thread along with all the information required on how to participate.


Term 1 – Pre – Ann

-   Announcement
-   Web
-   Signature Campaign
-   Blockexplorer and tools
-   Translate the thread
-   Bounty
-   Donation FAQ

Term 2 – Development

-   Extensive White paper and wiki about our new programming language on Github.
-   New wallet, focus on easy to use for everyone and mass market adoption.
-   Alias System.
-   Decentralized debit cards.
-   Light client
-   Implement trusted system and market core .
-   Support for assets-contracts via colored coins.
-   Smart Contracts. New programming language based on OCaml.
-   Private Chains.
-   Decentralized voting, messaging & mailing system.
-   Crowdfunding platform.
-   At this point, we want to focus on the speed and scalability of our platform.




 

•  Name: Opair (XPO)

•  PoW+PoS (Fairly distribution)

•  74,000,000 Total Coins

•  3% Annual Interest

•  Minimum Stake Age: 12 hours   

•  Block Time: 60 seconds

Opair ICO will commence on July 26, 2016 (GMT-4/EDT) and end on August 26, 2016 (GMT-4/EDT)

The total XPO supply stands at 74 milllion and will be distributed in the following proportions:

-   Approximately 91% of the coins will be distributed to early supporters in ICO procedure to participating users based on their contribution in the total amount of the raised funds. The sale procedure will be taking place at https://www.opair.co/invest/. In our site we are offering a SSL encryption and a two-factor authentication security.
-   Approximately 9% of the coins will be distributed on PoW phase.

There will be discounts for early participants based on the following schedule:

- First&Second ICO day bonus. Users who buy Opair coins on the first two days will receive a bonus of 25%.
- Users participating in the campaign the first week (but not the first two days) will receive 20% bonus.
- Users participating in the campaign the second week will receive 15% bonus.
- Users participating in the campaign the third week will receive 10% bonus.

Due to the usual delays and problems that happen on the launch and for security reasons, we decided to make the distribution of the coins manually. When the process is completed we will perform the distribution in the first 24-48 hours. The process will be carried out both on the web and in a spreadsheet for internal use to avoid any problems and ensure a stable and fair release for everyone.

We established a minimum of 0.0015 BTC to participate.

Important

Frank, our founder, proposed to create a gGmbH -it is similar to a tax-exempt LLC but in Germany- to manage the funds gathered at the ICO, which we think it will be a wise move and it will offer more transparency to our project and the security for to the XPO holders to know that we will not act irrationally or for our own profit. Therefore after discussing this matter and given that Frank lives in Germany we decided that the idea of creating a gGmbH or another type of organization will bring reassurance and confidence to our investors.    

Due to the fact that we do not count with a legal consultant, after doing some research, we came across with Winheller Attorneys Tax Advisors firm, who we think will meet our needs. You can find more information about them at: http://www.winheller.com/en/nonprofit-organizations/nonprofit-limited-liability-co/set-up-a-nonprofit-llc-in-germany.html. What made up our minds was the fact that they have worked with Bitcoin (http://www.winheller.com/en/banking-finance-and-insurance-law/bitcoin-trading.html) and that they accept BTC to hire them. Even though we have not reached them yet, we plan to do so shortly to discuss our project and as soon as we have some information we will post it.

 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/OpairProject
Web: https://www.opair.co/
Github: https://github.com/Opair
Signature Campaign Thread:
Slack:
Email: opair@openmailbox.org

Translations: 1000 XPO



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Team

Frank H. Rettig (CEO / Founder)

I´m an accomplished IT professional with vast experience in the development and delivery of IT solutions for over 20 years now. As a developer, I have known for being a strong leader with a high level of teamwork, excellent communication skills, proactive attitude & thinking outside the box mindset.

Since 2012 I have been interested in Bitcoin and various decentralized solutions. Earlier this year I started working with a small team in a new solution called Opair that we will reveal shortly. In addition I am experienced in Java/Grails, PHP, Groovy/Ruby/Perl, Javascript/JQuery, C#/.Net/C++, Eclipse, HTML, SQL/PL-SQL, Flash, Haskell/OCaml and Node.js.

Also, I worked as consultant, software technology architect and product owner on a variety of projects, national and international, big and small, successfully and unsuccessfully. I am Citrix Certified Enterprise Engineer for Virtualization (CCEE), Cisco Certified Design Associate (CCDA), Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD) and Certified Scrum Developer (CSD). I have excellent research and adaptability skills. I'm highly prepared for teamwork and consider myself as a proactive and creative problem solver. I'm a speaker of German (native), English, French and Croatian (basic).

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankhrettig

Hao Wang (Core / Platform Developer)

I am a highly competent software engineer with 2 year and months of experience in software development, blockchain solutions and currently working on IBM in the development and research of blockchain technology. I am Software Engineer.  During my studies I did an internship at Intel, and then work with them for almost two years. I am passionate about computational science and functional programming; I have experience with many languages including PHP, Java, OCaml, Ruby, Node.JS or Javascript. A creative problem solver that like to learn new technologies.

Currently I'm starting a new adventure with Opair. You can find more information on our website: https://www.opair.co/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haowangg


Wasserman99 (Marketing Director)

Here I am! My job is to create and maintain the community of Opair being the link between the development team and community. I'll see that Opair be known by as many people as possible without neglecting to update the community and be attentive to your questions and suggestions. In essence, my work is about crafting decision-making on everything related to communication and marketing of the project. Also, I will be responsible for maintaining and monitoring our social networks.

After many months of work and planning we finally introduce ourselves to the community. We are looking forward to hearing from you.

For any questions you can send a message to this account or via email: opair@openmailbox.org

FAQ

-   We use the structure of several threads that caught our attention.
-   We will be organizing a meeting in London in October for interested investors who can participate if they wish. We will also be present and trying to make contacts in the The Blockchain Summit and the Global Expansion Summit to be held in October in London.
-   Since we are working on code from scratch, we are going to offer a basic wallet (after the ICO) which will migrate to the new platform after the distribution is finished.
-   When we have enough founds, we would like to use some of them to create a division that will work as an incubator to relevant projects (can be IoT related works, DAO, Dapps, frameworks and so on) in the ecosystem we aim to create in Opair.
-   In Opair, we are looking to increase our team. We want to offer key job positions in our ecosystem. Anyone interested can connect with us through the site or our email. It will be a plus to have references, previous experiences and be located in Germany or England. More details on the jobs to be covered will be announced shortly by our communication channels.
-   The thread is moderated by logical reasons, I understand that several want to go unmoderated but then you cannot have a logical conversation without insults/accusations/ FUD.
-   As it is obvious, since we face a large-scale project and we will need to make a crowdfunding to get the money. But given our approach it seems unfair distributing 100% of the coins in the crowdfunding. After a lot of thinking we decide to distribute approximately 91% of the coin on the crowdfunding and approximately 9% which will be a mineable (PoW). Thus the allocation would be fairer and would not be in a few hands.
-   About the premine, we do not need the premine incentive. Obviously we will have a % of the project, but do not get by premine/bounty dev or buying at the stage of ICO (because it would be fraud). When the ICO ends, we will invest a percentage of what we got in the ICO and our own money to buy our stakes.
-   100% of the coins will be distributed; we want to highlight that 0% will be retained by us as background/premine/developer funds/bounty funds. All payments will come from what we gather at ICO.
-   We are seeking to make as many interviews as possible with the crypto - fintech press. It's time to spread the word.
-   We are currently working on drafting an academic whitepaper, therefore, we will take a reasonable time due to detail and length thereof, but will be finished before the release of the Opair Mainnet.
-   We believe that using an escrow adds nothing to our proposal. We are going to 100% with Opair, giving our identities from the beginning, because we trust in what we do. And we risk that the escrow, which is a person we do not know, decide not to release the funds. You have to keep in mind, there were many large projects that did not use escrow given the legitimacy of its creators. On the other hand, there are many people here in the forum using fake escrow, as you well know. In short, that led us to make this decision.
-   It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.
-   Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable.
-   To be honest we do not have a min amount but we believe that, at least, 700 BTC would need to put together. From then on, all collected serve to optimize, accelerate, hire more people, marketing, legal costs, go to more events and create a division that works as an incubator in the ecosystem we aim to create in Opair. We believe it is a realistic goal to achieve and we are optimistic about this.
-   We are still looking for a name for our programming language, which means any public or private recommendation is welcome. Our desire is that the name arises from the participation of the community.

Important Update

The PoW phase was stipulated to occupy 30% of the distribution during the period of 1 year but many people have complained that 30% via PoW may be manipulated by whales so after talking to Frank and Hao we reached a consensus on the new distribution. We have changed the official percentages of 70-30 to 91-9 (90.81 to 9.19 to be exact). And we continue to maintain 0% for us, as in the beginning.


This post will be updated when necessary.

We lost our money but lets not give this scammer any more btc

[Shame_Game]

76.2 BTC

cool 76.2 BTC so far

pretty sure will hit to 100 BTC+

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457575.msg5302833#msg5302833

History repeats itself.

[YIz]

76.2 BTC

cool 76.2 BTC so far

pretty sure will hit to 100 BTC+

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457575.msg5302833#msg5302833

History repeats itself.

Wait what? is that the same guy?

[kellendil]

https://steemit.com/money/@soapsadu/opair-project-a-scam

[altcoinrich]

THEY DELETE MY POST THERE WITHIN 3 MINUTES, OPAIR SCAM!!    

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

If you look at the stats, you can see that the investment rate is rapidly slowing.
I suggest you provide more of a connection to the team so people can see they are real. Maybe that will help.
I also suggest you have someone figure out a way to make people feel like their money is going to a legit entity, not just a bitcoin address.

2 weeks from now you may be certain that the ICO isn't going to raise nearly enough money. Maybe you should have a plan B that includes a reputable escrow company. Or a bank account with legal binding contracts or something?


I invested in Opair and I really hope you reach your ICO goals!

The amount invested will naturally slow down until the day of the 20% bonus and last day of the ICO (as seen with Stratis).

Other than that, I agree with you.

lol. Please don't compare this project to Stratis.  It's night and day. 

Yeah, no doubt this shit project is a potential scam and very shady. On the contrary, Stratis is very legit, Bitcoin core dev Nicolas Dorier confirmed his job on Twitter and Bitcointalk, and they also used the escrow service. They published all info of each team members, much clear than this project. OPAIR only have linkedin, but no BCT accounts, no twitter, I think their linkedin accounts are bought from others and fake people. Can't find more info about their experiences on the internet.

Even my bachelor thesis can be found in google, just can't find theirs, I think they are very very suspicious.  

[Perryl]

Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. Too bad i missed the 25% bonus.

[altcoinrich]

Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. Too bad i missed the 25% bonus.

LMAO, why too bad? It is 90% possible scam, so don't throw any money into that garbage bin.

[bittraffic]

The dev also didn't use escrow for the funds, this will be a very no-no sign for investors really. The fact that there are already scam coins existing before Opair so this is a warning to all.

[Perryl]

Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. Too bad i missed the 25% bonus.

LMAO, why too bad? It is 90% possible scam, so don't throw any money into that garbage bin.

Too bad because then I would have 5% more than I do.

[Perryl]

The dev also didn't use escrow for the funds, this will be a very no-no sign for investors really. The fact that there are already scam coins existing before Opair so this is a warning to all.

Yeah, cause escrow has protected us so much in the past...

[Rkana]

Thanks for opening this thread, this scam dev banned me on the thread as an investor. They have nothing as a plan just to run away woth the ico funds
and they want 700btc lol.

[Rkana]

The dev also didn't use escrow for the funds, this will be a very no-no sign for investors really. The fact that there are already scam coins existing before Opair so this is a warning to all.

Yeah, cause escrow has protected us so much in the past...

But at least it give investors a peace of mind in the dev is acting fishy like this one from Opair scam. They refuse to make refunds so how can you trust them?

[MoneyJ]

The dev also didn't use escrow for the funds, this will be a very no-no sign for investors really. The fact that there are already scam coins existing before Opair so this is a warning to all.

Yeah, cause escrow has protected us so much in the past...

But at least it give investors a peace of mind in the dev is acting fishy like this one from Opair scam. They refuse to make refunds so how can you trust them?

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

[CoinManiac1]

The dev also didn't use escrow for the funds, this will be a very no-no sign for investors really. The fact that there are already scam coins existing before Opair so this is a warning to all.

Yeah, cause escrow has protected us so much in the past...

But at least it give investors a peace of mind in the dev is acting fishy like this one from Opair scam. They refuse to make refunds so how can you trust them?

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

Lets not call it a scam too quick. Since all the members involved in the project have identified themselves, I think wasserman can too, if the project is legit, he has nothing to worry about... I think people can agree on this..

Best, the founder and the developer can do a google hangout or a interview...

[electronicash]

There legit coin dev team who discloses themselves but still turned out to scam in the end. so wasserman has to explain himself here as possibilities are very high knowing he didn't use escrow and don't even show himself. This just means he is hiding something.

[minerjoen]

There legit coin dev team who discloses themselves but still turned out to scam in the end. so wasserman has to explain himself here as possibilities are very high knowing he didn't use escrow and don't even show himself. This just means he is hiding something.

And even if he will identify himself, u can do nothing when he scam people.
Even with a picture and identity u can do nothing.

What u want to do after he scam you and u got a picture from him?
Go to the police and say: i get scammed?
Police will ask you: how u get scammed?
You will say: well somebody asked for bitcoins, and i give him the bitcoins
Police will say: then ur a dumbass, ur a fool, its ur own mistake, bye bye

What opair is doing, is sort of a legit way to scam people.
Why? He just ask for bitcoins, and people give him bitcoins.
It's allowed by the law.
People what give OPAIR money are just brainless, there is no law to protect those brainless people.... Is it bad? YEs it is, that's why nobody should give other people bitcoins like this.
They simply ask for money, people simply gave there money.... There is no legit contract what both sides are accepting, there is nothing what u can do when the dev runs away with all the bitcoins, even not with a picture from a random google guy.

[kellendil]

Yeah he banned me too He cant answer the question about the interview because the devs dont exist

[Shame_Game]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

[kooke]

Read this guys:

I wanna said this again:

"I will speak as the investor of this project that I am. As several users have noted above there are points that would have been better if they were different (such as using escrow) but as he said wasserman99 everything was clarified and public before the ICO, which there is no complaint possible. That was the Opair proposal and I decided to invest equally like others, even knowing these points because I was attracted by the proposed project. I'm glad to invest here and I'm sure this project will go far. We are already adults and before investing our own money we must do due diligence about that points. So now please stop with the drama. If you want to invest, do it, or not it's your own decision.
Please take a look at the ICO platform, it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit."

Moreover, if any user wants to do drama/fud/etc you can create your own thread. Here it is to discuss Opair and its evolution, not on issues that were already cleared a thousand times. If you do not like the rules that they put, dont invest, END. SIMPLY LIKE THAT! but i do not want that investment i ve made in this project, which was big, it is affected by fools users who can not read a few simple rules. Each is responsible for where you decide to invest and, before doing so, they must perform due diligence, which is in this case they didnt. NOOBS!

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised.

[CoinManiac1]

Read this guys:

I wanna said this again:

"I will speak as the investor of this project that I am. As several users have noted above there are points that would have been better if they were different (such as using escrow) but as he said wasserman99 everything was clarified and public before the ICO, which there is no complaint possible. That was the Opair proposal and I decided to invest equally like others, even knowing these points because I was attracted by the proposed project. I'm glad to invest here and I'm sure this project will go far. We are already adults and before investing our own money we must do due diligence about that points. So now please stop with the drama. If you want to invest, do it, or not it's your own decision.
Please take a look at the ICO platform, it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit."

Moreover, if any user wants to do drama/fud/etc you can create your own thread. Here it is to discuss Opair and its evolution, not on issues that were already cleared a thousand times. If you do not like the rules that they put, dont invest, END. SIMPLY LIKE THAT! but i do not want that investment i ve made in this project, which was big, it is affected by fools users who can not read a few simple rules. Each is responsible for where you decide to invest and, before doing so, they must perform due diligence, which is in this case they didnt. NOOBS!

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised.

Have wasserman talked about doing interviews, I mean look at the OP annoucement,

-   We are seeking to make as many interviews as possible with the crypto - fintech press. It's time to spread the word.
-   We believe that using an escrow adds nothing to our proposal. We are going to 100% with Opair, giving our identities from the beginning, because we trust in what we do. And we risk that the escrow, which is a person we do not know, decide not to release the funds. You have to keep in mind, there were many large projects that did not use escrow given the legitimacy of its creators. On the other hand, there are many people here in the forum using fake escrow, as you well know. In short, that led us to make this decision.

Why is he hiding his identity, since he said giving out identities from the beginning.. Just saying

[YIz]

Read this guys:

I wanna said this again:

"I will speak as the investor of this project that I am. As several users have noted above there are points that would have been better if they were different (such as using escrow) but as he said wasserman99 everything was clarified and public before the ICO, which there is no complaint possible. That was the Opair proposal and I decided to invest equally like others, even knowing these points because I was attracted by the proposed project. I'm glad to invest here and I'm sure this project will go far. We are already adults and before investing our own money we must do due diligence about that points. So now please stop with the drama. If you want to invest, do it, or not it's your own decision.
Please take a look at the ICO platform, it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit."

Moreover, if any user wants to do drama/fud/etc you can create your own thread. Here it is to discuss Opair and its evolution, not on issues that were already cleared a thousand times. If you do not like the rules that they put, dont invest, END. SIMPLY LIKE THAT! but i do not want that investment i ve made in this project, which was big, it is affected by fools users who can not read a few simple rules. Each is responsible for where you decide to invest and, before doing so, they must perform due diligence, which is in this case they didnt. NOOBS!

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised.

Have wasserman talked about doing interviews, I mean look at the OP annoucement,

-   We are seeking to make as many interviews as possible with the crypto - fintech press. It's time to spread the word.
-   We believe that using an escrow adds nothing to our proposal. We are going to 100% with Opair, giving our identities from the beginning, because we trust in what we do. And we risk that the escrow, which is a person we do not know, decide not to release the funds. You have to keep in mind, there were many large projects that did not use escrow given the legitimacy of its creators. On the other hand, there are many people here in the forum using fake escrow, as you well know. In short, that led us to make this decision.

Why is he hiding his identity, since he said giving out identities from the beginning.. Just saying

In addition Frank's identity is no more than a random name at this point, I cannot find any traces of that name online.

[MoneyJ]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

[CoinManiac1]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

[kooke]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

Its the fucking ICO phase!! What do you dont understand? They already made an amazing platform on his web, more, at this stage, they cant do.

[Azael]

You need to press for more information than you were given as investors. I'm looking at this ANN you link in OP and it is not adequate in my wildest imagination. After you give someone money in an IPO they don't really need to do the work but usually they can fork something and you can hope for a PnD. But still, to avoid this don't give money away easily to strangers. Sorry if you boys lost out this post isn't meant as a told you so but rather I would like to see the investment in this industry grow but for that to occur we need to stop giving money to wild west bullshit projects.

[CoinManiac1]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

Its the fucking ICO phase!! What do you dont understand? They already made an amazing platform on his web, more, at this stage, they cant do.

Haha, dont mind, I get a feeling you are wasserman.... Chill dude, why are you frustated, Is it so, that you invested a lot and now regretting  

[kooke]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

Its the fucking ICO phase!! What do you dont understand? They already made an amazing platform on his web, more, at this stage, they cant do.

Haha, dont mind, I get a feeling you are wasserman.... Chill dude, why are you frustated, Is it so, that you invested a lot and now regretting  

I'm just an investor, but as i said before, today the project are affecting more for users that the Opair team. Currently they can not do anything, they are at the ICO stage. Once they finished we will can judge whether or not met his promises.
And yes, i invested a lot of money and do not want to lose by one children who can not read a few simple rules.

[CoinManiac1]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

Its the fucking ICO phase!! What do you dont understand? They already made an amazing platform on his web, more, at this stage, they cant do.

Haha, dont mind, I get a feeling you are wasserman.... Chill dude, why are you frustated, Is it so, that you invested a lot and now regretting  

I'm just an investor, but as i said before, today the project are affecting more for users that the Opair team. Currently they can not do anything, they are at the ICO stage. Once they finished we will can judge whether or not met his promises.
And yes, i invested a lot of money and do not want to lose by one children who can not read a few simple rules.

Agreed, there are lots of noobs or ICO flippers who will invest without reading anything. But it is the duty of the community to help each other and look out for scams. I am not saying OPAIR is scam. But most of us who love to see who is wasserman, their interviews and how is their development going.

Right now, to clear all the FUDs, the most important thing right now, is have a interview or google hangout. Just to see, are we really dealing with Frank or Hao...

@kooke, I think you can agree on that

[kellendil]

Ok if you are willing to answer... AREN'T YOU SCAM TOO? Fudster or against the project for some reason? The project has many good quality features. If the escrow was the only thing, then lets wait for the dev and minimize jumping into conclusion.

name a single feature that exists right now. there is not even any code. you are either not very bright or an alt account of dev.

It is a plan and working project with promising features so not yet being released . You are either noob or lack of knowledge about the word PRE - and Im not an alter ego of the dev. Just exploring the technology of blockchain and what are the potentials it may bring.  I know that all you want is to gain as soon as possible. In a blockchain platform minimum adoption would take 2 years. So I 'll always give a chance that my instinct tells me . I don't judge by mere presentation. I judge by reaction.

Of course, everyone here is for profit, not loss. This is not a donation.. But again crypto is unpredictable.

Now coming to OPAIR, lets say this is work in progress. Is it not possible for the lead dev of the project to update us on work that he is doing, I mean not on daily basis but weekly....

Its the fucking ICO phase!! What do you dont understand? They already made an amazing platform on his web, more, at this stage, they cant do.

Haha, dont mind, I get a feeling you are wasserman.... Chill dude, why are you frustated, Is it so, that you invested a lot and now regretting  

I'm just an investor, but as i said before, today the project are affecting more for users that the Opair team. Currently they can not do anything, they are at the ICO stage. Once they finished we will can judge whether or not met his promises.
And yes, i invested a lot of money and do not want to lose by one children who can not read a few simple rules.

Agreed, there are lots of noobs or ICO flippers who will invest without reading anything. But it is the duty of the community to help each other and look out for scams. I am not saying OPAIR is scam. But most of us who love to see who is wasserman, their interviews and how is their development going.

Right now, to clear all the FUDs, the most important thing right now, is have a interview or google hangout. Just to see, are we really dealing with Frank or Hao...

there is no FRANK or HAO mate. İ still cant believe how people believe him. He bans everyone from the thread who ask him this question : make a livestream with the fucking coders. He cant because they dont exist

[electronicash]

There legit coin dev team who discloses themselves but still turned out to scam in the end. so wasserman has to explain himself here as possibilities are very high knowing he didn't use escrow and don't even show himself. This just means he is hiding something.

And even if he will identify himself, u can do nothing when he scam people.
Even with a picture and identity u can do nothing.

What u want to do after he scam you and u got a picture from him?
Go to the police and say: i get scammed?
Police will ask you: how u get scammed?
You will say: well somebody asked for bitcoins, and i give him the bitcoins
Police will say: then ur a dumbass, ur a fool, its ur own mistake, bye bye

What opair is doing, is sort of a legit way to scam people.
Why? He just ask for bitcoins, and people give him bitcoins.
It's allowed by the law.
People what give OPAIR money are just brainless, there is no law to protect those brainless people.... Is it bad? YEs it is, that's why nobody should give other people bitcoins like this.
They simply ask for money, people simply gave there money.... There is no legit contract what both sides are accepting, there is nothing what u can do when the dev runs away with all the bitcoins, even not with a picture from a random google guy.

You're a Hero you should know better. of course he can get away with it and no one else could go after the dev. but then if he reveals now and we can check his previous works, we will then know if we can trust him or not. so don't be a dumb ass HERO!

[trademark]

I posted this yesterday and have yet to get an explanation from Frank. 

Been doing some detective work before I drop some btc on this project.   According to Frank's Linkedin Profile.  He lists that he is a Certified Scrum Developer (CSD).  https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankhrettig

Anyways, I tried to verify his certification but it came up with no Frank Rettig:  https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/certificant-directory.aspx?firstname=&lastname=Rettig&email=&location=&company=&csm=True&csd=True&csp=True&cspo=True&cst=True&ctc=True&cec=True&rep=True&author=True&page=1&orderby=&sortdir=

Frank, please explain.  Thanks. 

[YIz]

I posted this yesterday and have yet to get an explanation from Frank. 

Been doing some detective work before I drop some btc on this project.   According to Frank's Linkedin Profile.  He lists that he is a Certified Scrum Developer (CSD).  https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankhrettig

Anyways, I tried to verify his certification but it came up with no Frank Rettig:  https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/certificant-directory.aspx?firstname=&lastname=Rettig&email=&location=&company=&csm=True&csd=True&csp=True&cspo=True&cst=True&ctc=True&cec=True&rep=True&author=True&page=1&orderby=&sortdir=

Frank, please explain.  Thanks. 

Please let us know if you get any response. this is getting weirder by the day.

[kellendil]

join the slack channel guys and read his lies That guy is so funny, still trying to scam. He wont give up

[YIz]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15768519#msg15768519

Okay so we are not going to get any more information than what you currently have.

[kellendil]

My message got deleted again now. İ told him about legal prosecution thats what he doesnt like Now its our fault that the project will fail ahahahha. And he says the dev wont go public becasue we threatened them with legal prosecution. Okay its clear now 100% SCAM

probably wasserman invested himself in his project to push the funding up.

[YIz]

My message got deleted again now. İ told him about legal prosecution thats what he doesnt like Now its our fault that the project will fail ahahahha. And he says the dev wont go public becasue we threatened them with legal prosecution. Okay its clear now 100% SCAM

probably wasserman invested himself in his project to push the funding up.

He now justifies the lack of information about the team because you "threatened him".

[kellendil]

My message got deleted again now. İ told him about legal prosecution thats what he doesnt like Now its our fault that the project will fail ahahahha. And he says the dev wont go public becasue we threatened them with legal prosecution. Okay its clear now 100% SCAM

probably wasserman invested himself in his project to push the funding up.

He now justifies the lack of information about the team because you "threatened him".

Yeah ofcourse everything is my fault hahah

[kooke]

Ok both of you are sick...100% checked. Stop interpret all wrong, they has never said that.

He said something logical that all users of this forum we are saying in this thread. We can not yet say whether or not this scam, there is no evidence. It has not even finished the ICO. Time will tell us. But for the moment, the actions of this campaign is affecting us (investors) more than anything that the developer has made. I totally agree.

These people are doing it all wrong with their campaign against us. If we were a scam as they say (WE ARE NOT!!), they would be helping us because it will end up being them who kill the project and therefore those responsible; and not us.
Following their logic, they are hurting himself and affecting our investors. Cancel is not an option because we want Opair become a reality. We will adapt to the funds that we get.

And i'm not saying that is the fault of investors. I say there is a user group that is campaigning against us. That weakens the project, which affects our goal. Then, if we cant reach our goal, we can not finish everything that we promised. Not because we have escaped or we were incompetent, but because a few users who can not read some rules before investing attack us.

(about the hangout) It's an idea, we are not sure and less now. You have to understand that both Frank and Hao, have jobs in major companies. With what has happened is very difficult to reach the 700 BTC ideals we wanted as minimum. Not our fault, because everything we have warned before (escrow). Is it our fault that two investors do not read the rules? Of course not! So if Hao and Frank are exposed it (with videos, etc) is now very likely that also these users start a campaign against them (without any reasons) and affect their personal work, because as we will not get 700 BTC if they continue with the campaign against us, so they will going to follow his normal lives in those jobs and not working full time on Opair. With the money raised until now we will be able to work only two months at most. Our project is in ethereum or lisk scale for things that we want to do (look our key features, we present things nobody had done until now), so we need an adequate amount, we can’t do it all that features without funds.  Do you understand? Thus, we are now looking at what is best for everyone.

[YIz]

Ok both of you are sick...100% checked. Stop interpret all wrong, they has never said that.

He said something logical that all users of this forum we are saying in this thread. We can not yet say whether or not this scam, there is no evidence. It has not even finished the ICO. Time will tell us. But for the moment, the actions of this campaign is affecting us (investors) more than anything that the developer has made. I totally agree.

These people are doing it all wrong with their campaign against us. If we were a scam as they say (WE ARE NOT!!), they would be helping us because it will end up being them who kill the project and therefore those responsible; and not us.
Following their logic, they are hurting himself and affecting our investors. Cancel is not an option because we want Opair become a reality. We will adapt to the funds that we get.

And i'm not saying that is the fault of investors. I say there is a user group that is campaigning against us. That weakens the project, which affects our goal. Then, if we cant reach our goal, we can not finish everything that we promised. Not because we have escaped or we were incompetent, but because a few users who can not read some rules before investing attack us.

(about the hangout) It's an idea, we are not sure and less now. You have to understand that both Frank and Hao, have jobs in major companies. With what has happened is very difficult to reach the 700 BTC ideals we wanted as minimum. Not our fault, because everything we have warned before (escrow). Is it our fault that two investors do not read the rules? Of course not! So if Hao and Frank are exposed it (with videos, etc) is now very likely that also these users start a campaign against them (without any reasons) and affect their personal work, because as we will not get 700 BTC if they continue with the campaign against us, so they will going to follow his normal lives in those jobs and not working full time on Opair. With the money raised until now we will be able to work only two months at most. Our project is in ethereum or lisk scale for things that we want to do (look our key features, we present things nobody had done until now), so we need an adequate amount, we can’t do it all that features without funds.  Do you understand? Thus, we are now looking at what is best for everyone.

We are ALLOWED to discuss what we think is wrong with this project, I said multiple times that I have NO evidence of this project being a scam, it's just suspicious.

[kellendil]

Ok both of you are sick...100% checked. Stop interpret all wrong, they has never said that.

He said something logical that all users of this forum we are saying in this thread. We can not yet say whether or not this scam, there is no evidence. It has not even finished the ICO. Time will tell us. But for the moment, the actions of this campaign is affecting us (investors) more than anything that the developer has made. I totally agree.

These people are doing it all wrong with their campaign against us. If we were a scam as they say (WE ARE NOT!!), they would be helping us because it will end up being them who kill the project and therefore those responsible; and not us.
Following their logic, they are hurting himself and affecting our investors. Cancel is not an option because we want Opair become a reality. We will adapt to the funds that we get.

And i'm not saying that is the fault of investors. I say there is a user group that is campaigning against us. That weakens the project, which affects our goal. Then, if we cant reach our goal, we can not finish everything that we promised. Not because we have escaped or we were incompetent, but because a few users who can not read some rules before investing attack us.

(about the hangout) It's an idea, we are not sure and less now. You have to understand that both Frank and Hao, have jobs in major companies. With what has happened is very difficult to reach the 700 BTC ideals we wanted as minimum. Not our fault, because everything we have warned before (escrow). Is it our fault that two investors do not read the rules? Of course not! So if Hao and Frank are exposed it (with videos, etc) is now very likely that also these users start a campaign against them (without any reasons) and affect their personal work, because as we will not get 700 BTC if they continue with the campaign against us, so they will going to follow his normal lives in those jobs and not working full time on Opair. With the money raised until now we will be able to work only two months at most. Our project is in ethereum or lisk scale for things that we want to do (look our key features, we present things nobody had done until now), so we need an adequate amount, we can’t do it all that features without funds.  Do you understand? Thus, we are now looking at what is best for everyone.

We are ALLOWED to discuss what we think is wrong with this project, I said multiple times that I have NO evidence of this project being a scam, it's just suspicious.

İ invested MYSELF and i have the RİGHT to demand İNFORMATİONS . HE cant provide them because HE İS A SCAMMER. How can you still believe that guy kooke i think you are sick...

İ wont let him scam more when everything is so obivious. WHY SHOULD İ ALLOW HİM TO SCAM MORE MORE MONEY FROM İNNOCENT İNVESTORS ? WHY ? İ care for other people maybe you not.

[kooke]

You're doing fine so far, already 76 BTC invested. Maybe just do what BRK devs did and ignore the FUD. It's not going to stop if you add escrow. It's not going to stop if you reveal everything about yourselves. I agree, 40k is about enough for 2 months of work, could easily burn through it in a week tbh.

The reality is that there are a lot of ignorant people that think they know how things "should" be done, but they forget about all of the times that people "got scammed" by ICOs using escrow and revealing their identities. Legal action is rarely successful. Escrow might make some people comfortable but consider a lot of those people weren't going to invest anyways. Escrow releases funds with minimal requirements so there's no real benefit to using it. Not by the definition of "scam" that passes around here, anyways.

If your coin enters the market at below "X" it's a scam. If your coin goes down in value it's a scam. If the dev needs to sleep or eat then it's a scam. If you don't update the thread every day with progress, it's a scam. No matter what, they find some reason to accuse you of scamming.


I'm not saying Opair is or isn't a scam. I'm saying that people will think it's a scam no matter what you do. You can't please everyone, ever.


But, if you really want to make that 700 BTC mark. Contact SebastianJu and figure it out. Escrow will make more people invest more. There is no real downfall to using it if you're running a legitimate project that plans to go the full course, even if you're not. A good scam can make it past escrow, lol. Look at the projects you yourself have compared this to. They used escrow. They raised the amount you want to raise. You have to see the correlation there. Also, don't be scared of threats from these fools. Most wouldn't leave their house to do something if you were tied up and left on their lawn. Ignore the FUD. Listen to investors. Work with us.

It's definitely strange that an accomplished developer has no commits or sources. Simply by Googling my username you can find me and I haven't worked for any major companies. I'm an amateur developer with less than 4 years of experience but I'm easily found. Why isn't a full stack dev with 20+ years? My partner is a full stack dev and has an extremely common name and can still be found easily.  That's how you get venture capital level funding.  Transparency.

If you don't raise 700+ BTC with this project at this price per coin then it will be entirely because of your lack of transparency and refusal to use escrow. Blaming FUD is sad.

Go look at WAVES/LISK/RISE threads and tell me how it prevented them. Look at the situation with ETH. How much did they raise again? Lots of FUD in their thread too. You only have yourself to blame, as the marketing coordinator.

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised."

+1. I agreed with everything you said but didn't want to make the post so long... it's already long enough. lol

[kooke]

What the hell do not understand? They use escrow or not will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds.

[YIz]

What the hell do not understand? They use escrow or not will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds.

Which escrow do they use? I didn't see wasserman saying he is using an escrow.

[wasserman99]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

[YIz]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

Whoops, my fault.

[Rkana]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

lol i guess you dont know what Escrow is. They cannot just launch a basic wallet and Escrow release their funds like that because they never stated a basic wallet in their thread and OP.
Escrow will need to see a working product from what they are working on prior launching the ICO. I did not invest because of a basic wallet.

[kellendil]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

Yeah here you are Banned us from your thread because we tell the truth

Cmon show us your team where are they

[kooke]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

lol i guess you dont know what Escrow is. They cannot just launch a basic wallet and Escrow release their funds like that because they never stated a basic wallet in their thread and OP.
Escrow will need to see a working product from what they are working on prior launching the ICO. I did not invest because of a basic wallet.

Ok, you're more noob than you look. I'm going to explain you. They promised many features to his project (like ALL of the project on the forum). For this they need the ICO funds. So, all these features will take a while to get officially launching. The escrow only will checks if the creators of the project make correctly the distribution of the coins to investors. Once it is ready, the funds are released so that developers can work/hire people/marketing/etc.

[Rkana]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

lol i guess you dont know what Escrow is. They cannot just launch a basic wallet and Escrow release their funds like that because they never stated a basic wallet in their thread and OP.
Escrow will need to see a working product from what they are working on prior launching the ICO. I did not invest because of a basic wallet.

Ok, you're more noob than you look. I'm going to explain you. They promised many features to his project (like ALL of the project on the forum). For this they need the ICO funds. So, all these features will take a while to get officially launching. The escrow only will checks if the creators of the project make correctly the distribution of the coins to investors. Once it is ready, the funds are released so that developers can work/hire people/marketing/etc.

lol you first need to do some basic study on how Escrow work. You are the noob here did i talk about their features? Like i said, Escrow cannot release the funds if they dont have something working out of the box. it is easy to make promises and just release a Standard bitcoin wallet. Escrow is not dumb like you. Go ask SebastianJ how his service work before talking shit.
Also i see you might be part of this scam yourself you are supporting them in their wrong doing.

[CoinBreader]

He said another thing, read again: "What the hell do not understand? They use escrow OR NOT will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds."

lol i guess you dont know what Escrow is. They cannot just launch a basic wallet and Escrow release their funds like that because they never stated a basic wallet in their thread and OP.
Escrow will need to see a working product from what they are working on prior launching the ICO. I did not invest because of a basic wallet.

Ok, you're more noob than you look. I'm going to explain you. They promised many features to his project (like ALL of the project on the forum). For this they need the ICO funds. So, all these features will take a while to get officially launching. The escrow only will checks if the creators of the project make correctly the distribution of the coins to investors. Once it is ready, the funds are released so that developers can work/hire people/marketing/etc.

True that about the ico escrow but.. we have seen ico investors got scammed and the projet never go live, and for real if the project is promising to be super awesome they can find some whales to support them, and ofc support their project till double triple his price, it all about faith to your own project, then profit for all , right?? Asking for funds around in crypto land with that shitload of scams around... and saying no escrow , no interview from the devs ,no info around them..

[AlexMckay]

Yes i invested in this project but unfortunately it seems like a scam. İ looked up for the hao and the frank guy but no real informations about them. We told the dev several times to host a interview with the coders but he cant even answer us.

So why didn't you look them up before handing Bitcoin over? lol

[Cboy]

Come on guys you give money to an anonymous person on the internet. Why he doesn't use escrow ? How you know the developers are real ? I see some Linkedin pages with little information , why don't they identify themselfes ? This coin smells from miles that is SCAM .

[YIz]

Come on guys you give money to an anonymous person on the internet. Why he doesn't use escrow ? How you know the developers are real ? I see some Linkedin pages with little information , why don't they identify themselfes ? This coin smells from miles that is SCAM .

This is my thought exactly, we will wait and see how it turns out.

[Shame_Game]

Anyone else notice all the 'supporters' on this thread have the exact same broken english as the 'dev'?

[Arrakeen]

Anyone else notice all the 'supporters' on this thread have the exact same broken english as the 'dev'?

No surprise there.  So many people using multiple accounts in ANN threads, and many times it is easy to tell - they don't even try to speak differently (low intelligence?).  Meanwhile I'm sitting here NOT creating scamcoins...I'm in the wrong line of work it seems 

[jwiz168]

Anyone else notice all the 'supporters' on this thread have the exact same broken english as the 'dev'?

No surprise there.  So many people using multiple accounts in ANN threads, and many times it is easy to tell - they don't even try to speak differently (low intelligence?).  Meanwhile I'm sitting here NOT creating scamcoins...I'm in the wrong line of work it seems 

You are annoyed by scams and yet you have yobits signature. Mother of all altcoins shit and preemptive agent of growing, potential ICOs.
 

[Heutenamos]

Its confirmed scam or a uber-shitcoin otherwise.

https://who.is/whois/opair.co

[kooke]

Its confirmed scam or a uber-shitcoin otherwise.

https://who.is/whois/opair.co

Agree with this.

Is it wrong to take security measures to safeguard our sensitive information and protect us against possible cyber attacks?
Better be safe than sorry.

Regards

[kellendil]

Its confirmed scam or a uber-shitcoin otherwise.

https://who.is/whois/opair.co

Agree with this.

Is it wrong to take security measures to safeguard our sensitive information and protect us against possible cyber attacks?
Better be safe than sorry.

Regards

Do you see it now İts a scam nothing more

[kooke]

Its confirmed scam or a uber-shitcoin otherwise.

https://who.is/whois/opair.co

Agree with this.

Is it wrong to take security measures to safeguard our sensitive information and protect us against possible cyber attacks?
Better be safe than sorry.

Regards

Do you see it now İts a scam nothing more

No men, do you have a problem? I agree with wasserman. In this environment, makes sense protect your info. Or perhaps you expected that in the whois you will be able to find the address of his home.

[kellendil]

Its confirmed scam or a uber-shitcoin otherwise.

https://who.is/whois/opair.co

Agree with this.

Is it wrong to take security measures to safeguard our sensitive information and protect us against possible cyber attacks?
Better be safe than sorry.

Regards

Do you see it now İts a scam nothing more

No men, do you have a problem? I agree with wasserman. In this environment, makes sense protect your info. Or perhaps you expected that in the whois you will be able to find the address of his home.

ok i see. Pls invest more in this project BTW Did you even invest ( send free btc) ?

[electronicash]

The dev just deleted my posts.

OPair ICO will never reach 100btc due to what this dev is doing. And if this happens, he will run away with all the ICO funds.
This is exactly what will happen, I'm sorry to all the investors of this ICO. But the truth is the truth, its going to disappoint you but that's the truth and the truth is this DEV is a SCAMMER.

[kellendil]

The dev just deleted my posts.

OPair ICO will never reach 100btc due to what this dev is doing. And if this happens, he will run away with all the ICO funds.
This is exactly what will happen, I'm sorry to all the investors of this ICO. But the truth is the truth, its going to disappoint you but that's the truth and the truth is this DEV is a SCAMMER.

As i said from the beginning he is a fucking scammer . And the thing is people still believe him like the kooke guy. Or he is connected with the SCAM dev

[MoneyJ]

Anyone else notice all the 'supporters' on this thread have the exact same broken english as the 'dev'?

I guess you are too keen on noticing others. Why don't you notice yourself keep on blabbing negatively about the opair project. Are you a hater to the last piece of bone inside your body? Is decentralized debit card aint a good feature for you ? So what are your standards? Are you a developer or just a mere investor who worships your own ass-ets?

[MoneyJ]

The dev just deleted my posts.

OPair ICO will never reach 100btc due to what this dev is doing. And if this happens, he will run away with all the ICO funds.
This is exactly what will happen, I'm sorry to all the investors of this ICO. But the truth is the truth, its going to disappoint you but that's the truth and the truth is this DEV is a SCAMMER.

What was the exact post they deleted ? Can you post here so that you can convince me about opair being a scam.

[wavespump]

My message got deleted again now. İ told him about legal prosecution thats what he doesnt like Now its our fault that the project will fail ahahahha. And he says the dev wont go public becasue we threatened them with legal prosecution. Okay its clear now 100% SCAM

probably wasserman invested himself in his project to push the funding up.

LMAO, wasserman is a retarded person, his word is illogical, the fact is that those 2 people are fake persons, and linkedin accounts are bought or hacked from others, fuck them.

[wavespump]

My message got deleted again now. İ told him about legal prosecution thats what he doesnt like Now its our fault that the project will fail ahahahha. And he says the dev wont go public becasue we threatened them with legal prosecution. Okay its clear now 100% SCAM

probably wasserman invested himself in his project to push the funding up.

He now justifies the lack of information about the team because you "threatened him".

Actually "threat" is an excuse to keep the info secret, not open to us. It is very shady, and it is illogical to say: we threat him, so they don't disclose info, retarded PR.

[electronicash]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

[YIz]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a [Suspicious link removed]d enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Yea, they should provide the community evidence of the developers being REAL people that work on the project, otherwise, those are just random accounts for me.

[CoinBreader]

Anyone else notice all the 'supporters' on this thread have the exact same broken english as the 'dev'?

No surprise there.  So many people using multiple accounts in ANN threads, and many times it is easy to tell - they don't even try to speak differently (low intelligence?).  Meanwhile I'm sitting here NOT creating scamcoins...I'm in the wrong line of work it seems 

You are annoyed by scams and yet you have yobits signature. Mother of all altcoins shit and preemptive agent of growing, potential ICOs.
 

What's wrong with the signature? Since it pays it's fine ! I don't care what they do and list in their platform!
Anyhow once more from what I'm reading feel sorry about the people who have invested on that opair shitty project, and even it is real there will be always a chance to buy from a dip and make your plays!!

[wavespump]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Since they disclosed the linkedin about the "real info", but they refused the interview, lmao, how retarded and controversial is Wasserman.

[kellendil]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Since they disclosed the linkedin about the "real info", but they refused the interview, lmao, how retarded and controversial is Wasserman.

He is a fucking scammer nothing more. DOnt invest in his scam project

[wavespump]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Since they disclosed the linkedin about the "real info", but they refused the interview, lmao, how retarded and controversial is Wasserman.

He is a fucking scammer nothing more. DOnt invest in his scam project

Yes, I see fewer btc deposit there in recent days, definitely a scam, IMO if he see no deposit for some days, he will run away with the money, sorry for the losses for investors, fuck scammers again!!!!!!!!   

[electronicash]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Since they disclosed the linkedin about the "real info", but they refused the interview, lmao, how retarded and controversial is Wasserman.

He is a fucking scammer nothing more. DOnt invest in his scam project

Yes, I see fewer btc deposit there in recent days, definitely a scam, IMO if he see no deposit for some days, he will run away with the money, sorry for the losses for investors, fuck scammers again!!!!!!!!   

In fact he may never return to respond to the ANN thread ever.  He scammed investors successfully.
Now all those who have invested just lost their BTCs, I hope they won't be blaming us for what happen. The good thing however is that, he hasn't scammed more users or he could have collected thousands of BTC.

[kellendil]

There is No Opair team! that's the real truth. This is just one man dev team, creating a coin good enough to entice individuals and bought linkedin accounts just to get people to trust him for the ICO funds. But not US. Wasserman isn't fooling everyone here.

he is willing to give the linkedin accounts of these dev team members but not provide evidence these so called linkedin accounts are real people? Fu(K That!

Since they disclosed the linkedin about the "real info", but they refused the interview, lmao, how retarded and controversial is Wasserman.

He is a fucking scammer nothing more. DOnt invest in his scam project

Yes, I see fewer btc deposit there in recent days, definitely a scam, IMO if he see no deposit for some days, he will run away with the money, sorry for the losses for investors, fuck scammers again!!!!!!!!   

In fact he may never return to respond to the ANN thread ever.  He scammed investors successfully.
Now all those who have invested just lost their BTCs, I hope they won't be blaming us for what happen. The good thing however is that, he hasn't scammed more users or he could have collected thousands of BTC.

Scammer dev doesnt know what to do anymore

[CoinManiac1]

Looking at his excuses, i feel like laughing.... 

[shapeshiftscam]

Looking at his excuses, i feel like laughing.... 

Yeah, the only thing he can do now is offering a hangout, we need to identify devs' faces first, must be the pictures in linkedin. Since we can't find any more info about them on the internet, they must prove themselves unless he won't need more btc. And the excuses which used to refuse us to have an interview are very bad.

[kellendil]

Looking at his excuses, i feel like laughing....  

Yeah, the only thing he can do now is offering a hangout, we need to identify devs' faces first, must be the pictures in linkedin. Since we can't find any more info about them on the internet, they must prove themselves unless he won't need more btc. And the excuses which used to refuse us to have an interview are very bad.

Tell the SCAMMER:

The whole ico money has to be in ESCROW not just the REMAİNİNG . İ never saw a İCO in my life where just a part of the İCO Money is in ESCROW.

He deleted my post again THE SCAMMER

He wont the put the money in escrow

[YIz]

Looking at his excuses, i feel like laughing....  

Yeah, the only thing he can do now is offering a hangout, we need to identify devs' faces first, must be the pictures in linkedin. Since we can't find any more info about them on the internet, they must prove themselves unless he won't need more btc. And the excuses which used to refuse us to have an interview are very bad.

Tell the SCAMMER:

The whole ico money has to be in ESCROW not just the REMAİNİNG . İ never saw a İCO in my life where just a part of the İCO Money is in ESCROW.

He deleted my post again THE SCAMMER

He wont the put the money in escrow

Yeah, only the new funds will be in escrow as far as I understand.

[altcoinrich]

FUCKING SCAMMER DELETED MY POST AGAIN

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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Escrow doesn't mean anything, escrow will release fund if the block explorer is done, working blockchain and a working wallet.(bittrex terms) Which is a very easy task even for an ordinary altcoin dev.

So I don't think it will prevent scammers make all empty promises, like waves and rise. And the final results are these shitcoin are both below ico price.

My newest post, will be deleted soon

https://www.opair.co/stats/

Who is this fucking retarded just invested 7.5 btc on 1st of August? lmao, this guy didn't hear our warning, must be a fool, sorry for your potential losses, without any real personal info. Even OP refused the radio talk, do you know what does that hint? Means OP even doesn't wanna spend a little money to hire 2 people to scam us, buy 2 people make a fake interview may cost only 100 usd, but he doesn't wanna spend this money. SHADY AND PATHETIC SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[YIz]

FUCKING SCAMMER DELETED MY POST AGAIN

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Escrow doesn't mean anything, escrow will release fund if the block explorer is done, working blockchain and a working wallet.(bittrex terms) Which is a very easy task even for an ordinary altcoin dev.

So I don't think it will prevent scammers make all empty promises, like waves and rise. And the final results are these shitcoin are both below ico price.

My newest post, will be deleted soon

https://www.opair.co/stats/

Who is this fucking retarded just invested 7.5 btc on 1st of August? lmao, this guy didn't hear our warning, must be a fool, sorry for your potential losses, without any real personal info. Even OP refused the radio talk, do you know what does that hint? Means OP even doesn't wanna spend a little money to hire 2 people to scam us, buy 2 people make a fake interview may cost only 100 usd, but he doesn't wanna spend this money. SHADY AND PATHETIC SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Yeah escrow will release the funds with little requirements, but it still adds confidence for investors.

[altcoinrich]

FUCKING SCAMMER DELETED MY POST AGAIN

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Escrow doesn't mean anything, escrow will release fund if the block explorer is done, working blockchain and a working wallet.(bittrex terms) Which is a very easy task even for an ordinary altcoin dev.

So I don't think it will prevent scammers make all empty promises, like waves and rise. And the final results are these shitcoin are both below ico price.

My newest post, will be deleted soon

https://www.opair.co/stats/

Who is this fucking retarded just invested 7.5 btc on 1st of August? lmao, this guy didn't hear our warning, must be a fool, sorry for your potential losses, without any real personal info. Even OP refused the radio talk, do you know what does that hint? Means OP even doesn't wanna spend a little money to hire 2 people to scam us, buy 2 people make a fake interview may cost only 100 usd, but he doesn't wanna spend this money. SHADY AND PATHETIC SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Yeah escrow will release the funds with little requirements, but it still adds confidence for investors.

I don't find any reason why we invest it, it is 99% scam, he avoids to have an interview/hangout with us, which is fishy and suspicious. These kind of scam must be dead.

[YIz]

FUCKING SCAMMER DELETED MY POST AGAIN

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Escrow doesn't mean anything, escrow will release fund if the block explorer is done, working blockchain and a working wallet.(bittrex terms) Which is a very easy task even for an ordinary altcoin dev.

So I don't think it will prevent scammers make all empty promises, like waves and rise. And the final results are these shitcoin are both below ico price.

My newest post, will be deleted soon

https://www.opair.co/stats/

Who is this fucking retarded just invested 7.5 btc on 1st of August? lmao, this guy didn't hear our warning, must be a fool, sorry for your potential losses, without any real personal info. Even OP refused the radio talk, do you know what does that hint? Means OP even doesn't wanna spend a little money to hire 2 people to scam us, buy 2 people make a fake interview may cost only 100 usd, but he doesn't wanna spend this money. SHADY AND PATHETIC SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Yeah escrow will release the funds with little requirements, but it still adds confidence for investors.

I don't find any reason why we invest it, it is 99% scam, he avoids to have an interview/hangout with us, which is fishy and suspicious. These kind of scam must be dead.

Yeah, if this guy really wanted to invest he should have waited for the escrow to begin.

[electronicash]

Is it coincident that this wasserman also like to named himself as Nicholas Sparks while this man also quotes Nicholas Sparks most of the time?

is it also just coincidence Wasserman99 and this man owns a coin?
This man owns this dead coin. https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/19645-sovereign-coin-updates/ which coincidentally this man also like to beg for free altcoins just like wasserman.

Not saying they're just one person though but its for you to observe.

[kooke]

Is it coincident that this wasserman also like to named himself as Nicholas Sparks while this man also quotes Nicholas Sparks most of the time?

is it also just coincidence Wasserman99 and this man owns a coin?
This man owns this dead coin. https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/19645-sovereign-coin-updates/ which coincidentally this man also like to beg for free altcoins just like wasserman.

Not saying they're just one person though but its for you to observe.

Your only proof is that person quotes to Nicholas Sparks (the writer). Maybe you dont know, but Nicholas Sparks is a famous writer, and this guys (https://farpa.bitcoinwallet.com) just quote him (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3616-i-am-nothing-special-of-this-i-am-sure-i).
Following your logic anyone who quote that writer, will be suspect to be wasserman. A new insanity of you, but does not surprise me coming from you.
Earlier today you said that wasserman was called Armandy, now Farpa. Who will be tomorrow?  There are still more than 20 days of ICO, we will have so much fun with you in all that time. And i appreciate also your FUD because you are helping to promote this coin. Thanks to you more people will know this project.
I can not wait to read your next conspiracy 

[electronicash]

Is it coincident that this wasserman also like to named himself as Nicholas Sparks while this man also quotes Nicholas Sparks most of the time?

is it also just coincidence Wasserman99 and this man owns a coin?
This man owns this dead coin. https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/19645-sovereign-coin-updates/ which coincidentally this man also like to beg for free altcoins just like wasserman.

Not saying they're just one person though but its for you to observe.

Your only proof is that person quotes to Nicholas Sparks (the writer). Maybe you dont know, but Nicholas Sparks is a famous writer, and this guys (https://farpa.bitcoinwallet.com) just quote him (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3616-i-am-nothing-special-of-this-i-am-sure-i).
Following your logic anyone who quote that writer, will be suspect to be wasserman. A new insanity of you, but does not surprise me coming from you.
Earlier today you said that wasserman was called Armandy, now Farpa. Who will be tomorrow?  There are still more than 20 days of ICO, we will have so much fun with you in all that time. And i appreciate also your FUD because you are helping to promote this coin. Thanks to you more people will know this project.
I can not wait to read your next conspiracy  

oh no in fact if we didn't mess around, that project could have accumulated (scammed) hundreds already but not with us around.
Farpa is actually named Armando which i just wrote Armandia lol.. its up to you to believe that by the way.

[kooke]

Is it coincident that this wasserman also like to named himself as Nicholas Sparks while this man also quotes Nicholas Sparks most of the time?

is it also just coincidence Wasserman99 and this man owns a coin?
This man owns this dead coin. https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/19645-sovereign-coin-updates/ which coincidentally this man also like to beg for free altcoins just like wasserman.

Not saying they're just one person though but its for you to observe.

Your only proof is that person quotes to Nicholas Sparks (the writer). Maybe you dont know, but Nicholas Sparks is a famous writer, and this guys (https://farpa.bitcoinwallet.com) just quote him (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3616-i-am-nothing-special-of-this-i-am-sure-i).
Following your logic anyone who quote that writer, will be suspect to be wasserman. A new insanity of you, but does not surprise me coming from you.
Earlier today you said that wasserman was called Armandy, now Farpa. Who will be tomorrow?  There are still more than 20 days of ICO, we will have so much fun with you in all that time. And i appreciate also your FUD because you are helping to promote this coin. Thanks to you more people will know this project.
I can not wait to read your next conspiracy  

oh no in fact if we didn't mess around, that project could have accumulated (scammed) hundreds already but not with us around.
Farpa is actually named Armando which i just wrote Armandia lol.. its up to you to believe that by the way.

But please give ANY proof. If you give any credible evidence i will support you, but for now wasserman could be Nakamoto, Bush, Spark or anyone else in the world.  
Meanwhile your words are empty, like always.

[electronicash]

Is it coincident that this wasserman also like to named himself as Nicholas Sparks while this man also quotes Nicholas Sparks most of the time?

is it also just coincidence Wasserman99 and this man owns a coin?
This man owns this dead coin. https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/19645-sovereign-coin-updates/ which coincidentally this man also like to beg for free altcoins just like wasserman.

Not saying they're just one person though but its for you to observe.

Your only proof is that person quotes to Nicholas Sparks (the writer). Maybe you dont know, but Nicholas Sparks is a famous writer, and this guys (https://farpa.bitcoinwallet.com) just quote him (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3616-i-am-nothing-special-of-this-i-am-sure-i).
Following your logic anyone who quote that writer, will be suspect to be wasserman. A new insanity of you, but does not surprise me coming from you.
Earlier today you said that wasserman was called Armandy, now Farpa. Who will be tomorrow?  There are still more than 20 days of ICO, we will have so much fun with you in all that time. And i appreciate also your FUD because you are helping to promote this coin. Thanks to you more people will know this project.
I can not wait to read your next conspiracy  

oh no in fact if we didn't mess around, that project could have accumulated (scammed) hundreds already but not with us around.
Farpa is actually named Armando which i just wrote Armandia lol.. its up to you to believe that by the way.

But please give ANY proof. If you give any credible evidence i will support you, but for now wasserman could be Nakamoto, Bush, Spark or anyone else in the world.  
Meanwhile your words are empty, like always.

Yeap all these words are empty. but one thing is very much certain. Wasserman or whatever his name was is a scammer.
And he won't give the all the btcs that are being sent to him to the escrow. <--- And all these you can believe is true.

[Cboy]

kooke maybe the guy who invested heavily with his all savings, just forgive him, dude.  

I don't see any reason this guy argue for wasserman except he is a big investor.

He also has as signature the scam coin and defends it on every thread.

[electronicash]

He is in the losing side so long as that bastard wasserman doesn't escrow the btc from the first part of the ICO.
He should fight for it instead and maybe even oppose that dickhead for hiding himself. 

He has to believe that ICOs had been used by scammers, i encourage every one to buy coins after its listed on The xchange instead.

[U2BONO]

There are still 73 btc invested on this project, we should bump this thread more often, it was 60 btc when the thread is open.

[YIz]

There are still 73 btc invested on this project, we should bump this thread more often, it was 60 btc when the thread is open.

The bumping stopped because wasserman used escrow for the ICO, but there are still more things we can discuss.

[kellendil]

İ gave up because these idiots still believe him. HE didnt use escrow for the first part of his fucking scam İCO where 60 btc are located. Fucking scamming piece of shit.

[san2ok]

İ invested MYSELF and i have the RİGHT to demand İNFORMATİONS . HE cant provide them because HE İS A SCAMMER. How can you still believe that guy kooke i think you are sick...

İ wont let him scam more when everything is so obivious. WHY SHOULD İ ALLOW HİM TO SCAM MORE MORE MONEY FROM İNNOCENT İNVESTORS ? WHY ? İ care for other people maybe you not.

thank you so much for caring, im still reading all

[CoinManiac1]

@kellendil. Leave that scam thing. People are greedy for anything, thats y they lose money. We must not worry for them. Let them worry. And Always do due diligence. Dont jump into the wagon for some freebies

[san2ok]

my copy and paste

GUYS, please enlight me, is this opair using ESCROW ..? i had enough of ICO non escrow (ok already read there is escrow)

===========

i believe in humanity so much, but today im very wrecked, i use humanity funds 10btc for im not sure if the ICO is even real,
probably im doomed, if i cant give any result, i have to responsible pay back the funds
wasserman99, please give me conclusion, what do you think on my case..?
(im still reading OPAIR thread until page 20.. comeback to this post, to tell you what is the reasons why everyone afraid)

im not accusing someone is SCXX, however this is my case and OPAIR TEAM could learn, READ UNTIL END of the PAGE here= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570693.0
i still believe in Restoring Faith in Humanity thou, but im not sure anymore if turn out if it is real SCXX i didnt even dare to say
this may not be the first, but will be my last helping humanity, im finish, ive had enough trusting someone or everyone..
now im restless so much
on mycase, i hope he deliver the project, so we could support more massive, and prove humanity is WORTH SAVING

============

on the other hand, i will look close at OPAIR, still reading from the 1st page, SINCE its already using ESCROW, if it is legit, me and other activist will come in to opair
we supporting every tech that helping a lot of people, NOT JUST FOR PROFIT

============

HOWEVER, im just saying, its all make sense, after im having my case..
i believe video profile could make everyone backs opair so much, its customers demand, it is happening with RISE, even unrespectable CLONE and cheater could had 1700btc ICO
the world is changing, it become verysmart to fool others and meaner, i dont agree and dont like, but unfortunately thats what happen

besides, what you got to lose? in the end you will make meet and talk to your back-ers too, and at some point show in public or do face webinar

[san2ok]

this kooke guy is twisted, why would someone give funds to someone he dont even know if he even exist
atleast say hi, and greet on video chat/webinar,

[san2ok]

There are no developers mate. THİS İS A SCAM. He didnt use escrow for the first part of the ico. Stupid people still seding him money. He cant make a video because those prople dont exist. He just copied a few pictures from google.

im quoting you, as a purpose

-

Dear
wasserman, if you show your good will, and show webinar video such as this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.0 <--- this is why RISE could gather 1700btc in one shot
because of this VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZqS5lc-Qg&feature=youtu.be&t=5m40s justin not hiding,
even though he is cheating and steal LISK project, we can see him have good intention to show him self to win investors heart

.
.

and i will personally direct the community funding, which im managing as the amount of 30btc i will put to opair my self through sebastian, without any fuzz, or with few permissions, i could do even all whats left= 93btc trusted to me..,
(im one of whale in RISE only{not my money}; also backers of Stellar, Etherium Vitalik, and NXT especially Ardor)
also i will ask humanitarian community, to backs you
if we go in, we stay for years, we are not dumper, also we will help placing buywall, and help anything you need that we can help
.

and more investment will come along the way (IF can still catch up the time, or, i will personally ask to extend the ICO, to give CLEAN headstart,
i will help marketing for FREE in ALL other currency website we support, i will be the one responsible to all your investors, because requesting extend the ICO)

kindly reconsider, we already so much interested, because you already show good intention using sebastian,
last part only simple meet and greet with me.. or you can meet my friend in germany, or what ever country you may be.. (we humanitarian is activist everywhere)

.
.
to be fair i wil show all my identity, and can be view broadcast live
we want to help, i want to trust you

or, if you dont want to be public, please allow me doing video call privately with atleast 2 of founder from 3persons, Mr. Haowang + Mr.Waserman  + Mr.Frank
if i put the funds in, i will make other investor believe

[san2ok]

 i accidentally found this, im dissapointed   it broke my heart
http://prntscr.com/c5ba0j and http://prntscr.com/c5bb1r please compare with this,  https://www.linkedin.com/in/haowangg check the job and university


its the same person is it?
http://www.fresnostate.edu/socialsciences/geography/faculty/wang.html


or maybe my eyes wrong?

[YIz]

i accidentally found this, im dissapointed   it broke my heart
http://prntscr.com/c5ba0j and http://prntscr.com/c5bb1r please compare with this,  https://www.linkedin.com/in/haowangg check the job and university


its the same person is it?
http://www.fresnostate.edu/socialsciences/geography/faculty/wang.html


or maybe my eyes wrong?

Could be the same person, look it up and let us know.

[btctube]

I don't see why these investors gets to put money for this ICO when they don't really know these devs, they don't even put their real names on it, linkedin profiles aren't enough to convince who they are. they are now hiding even before the ICO ends.

[san2ok]

this opair really problem, i try good heart and very flexible, but failed, he may dont have good intention
i think you need to change the thread subject, to prevent him scam others

.

.

get STELLAR coin INCOME simply by posting, blogging, and invite others
only at Stellar Forum www.mystellar.org (look at promotion)

stellar is a finance with mission to help fight poverty
who knows oneday 1XLM will worth 1usd, or even as high as bitcoin..
bitcoin also was worth 0usd at 22jun2010

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[iudica]

In case it will be deleted in the moderated thread:

Why on earth would the coin founder not participate in the community during the ICO?!

Very simple, because they are not existing. I became suspicious, when opair refused my free support for smart contracts. I am maybe one of 3 German lawyers, which work on this topic. It is really not logical to refuse such a contact (more I didn't ask for).

Frank Rettig never replied to any of my email. Means, that nobody check this gmail-mailbox regulary.

I offered Opair a confidental videochat with Frank for free. He just need to come up, say hello, show his ID-Card. How this can influence his job? Is it illegal to make videochats in Germany or against labor law? Of course not. How this can harm his job more, when he already made his picture, name and everything else public via linkedin. So, it is pretty clear, that there is something wrong. My conclusion is, that the profiles on linkedin are wrong.

I contacted my colleague, Mr. Winheller about Opair. Wasserman wrote, they want to work with this lawyers and trying to contact them. Mr. Winheller wrote me, that they didn't contact him or one of his colleagues. Since one month Opair is not able to contact a law firm. I think they don't want. This is the same fake like the linkedin profiles.

Wasserman all the time repeat, that the terms "Frank and Hao will not provide more information" have been clear from the beginning. But the linkedin profiles and that they are true are also a part of this terms. So if wasserman can break his own terms, than it is ridicolous to complain about to keep the others.

And I still don't see the marketing campain, which wasserman announced last week. If I would be Frank (and exist ;-) ) I would fire such a poor marketing director.

About the project: As a German lawyer, I can see that some of the aims of the project will be highly regulated by the Federal Agency of Financial Supervison (this will be similar in the whole Europe or USA). This will automatically lead, that Opair must provide an CEO, which have already worked several years in a leading position in the financial sector. I don't see such a person in the team.
And even if they put their whole money into legal support it won't be enough to pay the legal fees for what they want to do. From this point it is very clear, that this project will fail in this topics.

Conclusion: I think it is not really scam. But it looks for me, that Wasserman is alone and (sorry to tell this) a wannabe programmer, wannabe ceo and wannabe marketing dirctor, who knows that nobody would invest in him.

For all people (kooke), who are claiming, it doesn't matter, who is standing behind this project, just the result is important. Guys, do you really act like this in your daily life? Just give someone, whom you don't know, money and hoping, that the result will be nice? Do you really think, SebastianJu, who makes "just" escrow will make a qualitiy control of Wasserman's work?

If you think like that and have too much money, go on. But please don't lure others to follow your mistake, just because you still have some (irrational) hope left.

[YIz]

In case it will be deleted in the moderated thread:

Why on earth would the coin founder not participate in the community during the ICO?!

Very simple, because they are not existing. I became suspicious, when opair refused my free support for smart contracts. I am maybe one of 3 German lawyers, which work on this topic. It is really not logical to refuse such a contact (more I didn't ask for).

Frank Rettig never replied to any of my email. Means, that nobody check this gmail-mailbox regulary.

I offered Opair a confidental videochat with Frank for free. He just need to come up, say hello, show his ID-Card. How this can influence his job? Is it illegal to make videochats in Germany or against labor law? Of course not. How this can harm his job more, when he already made his picture, name and everything else public via linkedin. So, it is pretty clear, that there is something wrong. My conclusion is, that the profiles on linkedin are wrong.

I contacted my colleague, Mr. Winheller about Opair. Wasserman wrote, they want to work with this lawyers and trying to contact them. Mr. Winheller wrote me, that they didn't contact him or one of his colleagues. Since one month Opair is not able to contact a law firm. I think they don't want. This is the same fake like the linkedin profiles.

Wasserman all the time repeat, that the terms "Frank and Hao will not provide more information" have been clear from the beginning. But the linkedin profiles and that they are true are also a part of this terms. So if wasserman can break his own terms, than it is ridicolous to complain about to keep the others.

And I still don't see the marketing campain, which wasserman announced last week. If I would be Frank (and exist ;-) ) I would fire such a poor marketing director.

About the project: As a German lawyer, I can see that some of the aims of the project will be highly regulated by the Federal Agency of Financial Supervison (this will be similar in the whole Europe or USA). This will automatically lead, that Opair must provide an CEO, which have already worked several years in a leading position in the financial sector. I don't see such a person in the team.
And even if they put their whole money into legal support it won't be enough to pay the legal fees for what they want to do. From this point it is very clear, that this project will fail in this topics.

Conclusion: I think it is not really scam. But it looks for me, that Wasserman is alone and (sorry to tell this) a wannabe programmer, wannabe ceo and wannabe marketing dirctor, who knows that nobody would invest in him.

For all people (kooke), who are claiming, it doesn't matter, who is standing behind this project, just the result is important. Guys, do you really act like this in your daily life? Just give someone, whom you don't know, money and hoping, that the result will be nice? Do you really think, SebastianJu, who makes "just" escrow will make a qualitiy control of Wasserman's work?

If you think like that and have too much money, go on. But please don't lure others to follow your mistake, just because you still have some (irrational) hope left.

I agree with your points, the project is suspicious and something is not right, we have discussed this over and over again. Wasserman might be trying to get more attention and investments by presenting the community with a whole team, which as it looks, doesn't exist. If Frank existed, he would have given an interview by now, because it would help the project get a lot more investments, but since he doesn't exist, he cannot make an interview.

I might be wrong, well, I hope I am. but I don't see any reason why anyone would refuse to give an interview after his name and picture is publicly released.

[iudica]

... or at least answer an email, as he promised!

I liked to project, pity.

[iudica]

If you don't have arguments wasserman, than you start to delete postings.

from the moderated thread:

Iudica, do not worry, we do not delete any of your messages but it's a shame that people like you exist in this environment.

It's a shame, that people fake something.

I never said that I had contacted (Winheller Firm). Only I said it would be a valid option when needed it

Me too, you wrote "Even though we have not reached them yet, we plan to do so shortly to discuss our project and as soon as we have some information we will post it. "

There is not written: "A valid option would be, if we have enough money, blablabla..." ok? There is written shortly, to discuss. And since the start of the ICO you even didn't tried.

And more I didn't told. But it is shady enough.

You're drawing conclusions without proof of anything.

My proof is an email and a telephone chat with Mr. Winheller. Both I can't publish here, but in comparison to you, Frank or Hao I am not anoymous. You can sue me easily in each German court and then we can ask Mr. Winheller as a witness.

, but before we need to know how much funds we raise.

Very stupid decision, because now 35%-50% of all collected BTC will be taxed away forever!

If we only get raised 100 bitcoins we can not spend all in legal fees because we can not do anything for development.

Yes, now 50 BTC are in taxes, clever decision: Instead of asking first, how much the legal fees are (minimum ca. 10 BTC) you waste minium 50 BTC.

Perhaps this is because you defend another project and see us as competition?

I have approx. 12 cryptocoin related projects, which I support. With which you think you can conquer?

Or because we denied your legal assistance?

As I already wrote, it is of course suspicious, if someone refuse free legal support. No one need to have me as a legal adviser. And it isn't rare, that I send people to a third person, because their project need another support or even just a cheaper tax consultant would be enough.

But in your position (not knowing how much you raise and no legal orientation) it is really strange that you refuse support in such an early stage of contact.

(We dont answer your mail?

Please read carefully! Frank(!) never replied to me. On https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/opair-statement-frank-h-rettig?trk=prof-post he wrote "Bei weiteren Fragen können Sie mich gerne per E-Mail kontaktieren."

This i did according to this: "Contact me at frank.h.rettig@gmail.com for more information." And I never got a reply from him(!)

If you want I can copy & paste our mails here)[/b]

Hahaha, what it will proof? That you can use a text editor, that all.

Are you trying to kill, before birth,

No, I was supporting this project from the beginning, with offering support, with doing research, with offering a confidental video chat for free.

But I want to "kill" is the illusion, there is this specific Frank H. Rettig.

a project that has many months of preparation

It is so difficult to fake linkedin profiles? Because I can't see other preparation. Shitty marketing campagne and not a single line of code in github.

and that try to bringing new features (never realized before) to this environment.

Onecoin also had a debit card. Maybe it isn't the only mutual thing between you and Onecoin.

Just because we do not make a video call with you (even you want that we show you ours ID Card?), for the reasons already set up hundreds of times,

Which reason? I mean reason not excuse or pretext. If Frank already posted his real identity on linkedin, he will not harm himself by confirming this identity in a video chat of 10min.

it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

From the view of all this people, which money you want, it make it better. Because this video call can destroy the clear hints that there is a lot of fake in this ICO. And where is fake there is very often scam.

Your choice already, your ICO is already near death. Even before my post. I just want to protect some more inexperienced users.

We just want to let us work in peace.

No one stops you working. Go, sit in front of your pc and code. But stop lure money from innocent people with lies.

We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!!

He is escrower not arbitrator. This different you already didn't understand, when I made escrow for lisk. His duty is not to make quality control. And there is no clear description, no milestones and no rules how much money you will get for which feature. And already now you start by if you will not get enough money, you will skip parts of the project. What is understandable, but absolutly not handable by Sebastian.

you think we are shady?

A bit because...

If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

...this is not true. Just 5-10 BTC will be refunded, for the rest you don't offer escrow. This is shady for me. If you really want to deliver, you will get the money anyway.

Ah yes, because of "the terms have been set at the beginning". Sorry, but stop thinking you can fool adult people with such pretext. You already plan to change you own set rules by paying BTC for the campagne. So the rules are just holy for you as long it is profitable for you.

And if we didnt reach the goal we have only two options (its the truth), do a new ICO or continue with the develop with less funds.

Aha, why not to refund. I don't see how you want to realise debit cards with so less money, because the external cost of this project will be higher. And even for smart contracts you need legal support. Not forgetting, that because of your clever preparation of this ICO, you will make a direct donation to the tax office about 35% to 50% of the whole BTC.

BTW., you and Frank still have the option to solve everything. How? A lot of people showed you already. I will have no porblems to write here, that I made wrong conclusions, if my conclusions are not fitting to the reality.

And I am still offering you legal/tax support boost for free. It will be difficult to solve this 35%-50% tax problem and now I don't recommend you a gGmbh or other charitable organisation, because the money is already taxed, but maybe there is still some hope to minimise the damage or at least.

[kellendil]

If you don't have arguments wasserman, than you start to delete postings.

from the moderated thread:

Iudica, do not worry, we do not delete any of your messages but it's a shame that people like you exist in this environment.

It's a shame, that people fake something.

I never said that I had contacted (Winheller Firm). Only I said it would be a valid option when needed it

Me too, you wrote "Even though we have not reached them yet, we plan to do so shortly to discuss our project and as soon as we have some information we will post it. "

There is not written: "A valid option would be, if we have enough money, blablabla..." ok? There is written shortly, to discuss. And since the start of the ICO you even didn't tried.

And more I didn't told. But it is shady enough.

You're drawing conclusions without proof of anything.

My proof is an email and a telephone chat with Mr. Winheller. Both I can't publish here, but in comparison to you, Frank or Hao I am not anoymous. You can sue me easily in each German court and then we can ask Mr. Winheller as a witness.

, but before we need to know how much funds we raise.

Very stupid decision, because now 35%-50% of all collected BTC will be taxed away forever!

If we only get raised 100 bitcoins we can not spend all in legal fees because we can not do anything for development.

Yes, now 50 BTC are in taxes, clever decision: Instead of asking first, how much the legal fees are (minimum ca. 10 BTC) you waste minium 50 BTC.

Perhaps this is because you defend another project and see us as competition?

I have approx. 12 cryptocoin related projects, which I support. With which you think you can conquer?

Or because we denied your legal assistance?

As I already wrote, it is of course suspicious, if someone refuse free legal support. No one need to have me as a legal adviser. And it isn't rare, that I send people to a third person, because their project need another support or even just a cheaper tax consultant would be enough.

But in your position (not knowing how much you raise and no legal orientation) it is really strange that you refuse support in such an early stage of contact.

(We dont answer your mail?

Please read carefully! Frank(!) never replied to me. On https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/opair-statement-frank-h-rettig?trk=prof-post he wrote "Bei weiteren Fragen können Sie mich gerne per E-Mail kontaktieren."

This i did according to this: "Contact me at frank.h.rettig@gmail.com for more information." And I never got a reply from him(!)

If you want I can copy & paste our mails here)[/b]

Hahaha, what it will proof? That you can use a text editor, that all.

Are you trying to kill, before birth,

No, I was supporting this project from the beginning, with offering support, with doing research, with offering a confidental video chat for free.

But I want to "kill" is the illusion, there is this specific Frank H. Rettig.

a project that has many months of preparation

It is so difficult to fake linkedin profiles? Because I can't see other preparation. Shitty marketing campagne and not a single line of code in github.

and that try to bringing new features (never realized before) to this environment.

Onecoin also had a debit card. Maybe it isn't the only mutual thing between you and Onecoin.

Just because we do not make a video call with you (even you want that we show you ours ID Card?), for the reasons already set up hundreds of times,

Which reason? I mean reason not excuse or pretext. If Frank already posted his real identity on linkedin, he will not harm himself by confirming this identity in a video chat of 10min.

it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

From the view of all this people, which money you want, it make it better. Because this video call can destroy the clear hints that there is a lot of fake in this ICO. And where is fake there is very often scam.

Your choice already, your ICO is already near death. Even before my post. I just want to protect some more inexperienced users.

We just want to let us work in peace.

No one stops you working. Go, sit in front of your pc and code. But stop lure money from innocent people with lies.

We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!!

He is escrower not arbitrator. This different you already didn't understand, when I made escrow for lisk. His duty is not to make quality control. And there is no clear description, no milestones and no rules how much money you will get for which feature. And already now you start by if you will not get enough money, you will skip parts of the project. What is understandable, but absolutly not handable by Sebastian.

you think we are shady?

A bit because...

If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

...this is not true. Just 5-10 BTC will be refunded, for the rest you don't offer escrow. This is shady for me. If you really want to deliver, you will get the money anyway.

Ah yes, because of "the terms have been set at the beginning". Sorry, but stop thinking you can fool adult people with such pretext. You already plan to change you own set rules by paying BTC for the campagne. So the rules are just holy for you as long it is profitable for you.

And if we didnt reach the goal we have only two options (its the truth), do a new ICO or continue with the develop with less funds.

Aha, why not to refund. I don't see how you want to realise debit cards with so less money, because the external cost of this project will be higher. And even for smart contracts you need legal support. Not forgetting, that because of your clever preparation of this ICO, you will make a direct donation to the tax office about 35% to 50% of the whole BTC.

BTW., you and Frank still have the option to solve everything. How? A lot of people showed you already. I will have no porblems to write here, that I made wrong conclusions, if my conclusions are not fitting to the reality.

And I am still offering you legal/tax support boost for free. It will be difficult to solve this 35%-50% tax problem and now I don't recommend you a gGmbh or other charitable organisation, because the money is already taxed, but maybe there is still some hope to minimise the damage or at least.

Scammer dev deleted my post too. İTS A SCAM. Btw OP change the thread name to OPAİR SCAM pls. So people wont invest anymore.

[danblize]

If you don't have arguments wasserman, than you start to delete postings.

from the moderated thread:

Iudica, do not worry, we do not delete any of your messages but it's a shame that people like you exist in this environment.

It's a shame, that people fake something.

I never said that I had contacted (Winheller Firm). Only I said it would be a valid option when needed it

Me too, you wrote "Even though we have not reached them yet, we plan to do so shortly to discuss our project and as soon as we have some information we will post it. "

There is not written: "A valid option would be, if we have enough money, blablabla..." ok? There is written shortly, to discuss. And since the start of the ICO you even didn't tried.

And more I didn't told. But it is shady enough.

You're drawing conclusions without proof of anything.

My proof is an email and a telephone chat with Mr. Winheller. Both I can't publish here, but in comparison to you, Frank or Hao I am not anoymous. You can sue me easily in each German court and then we can ask Mr. Winheller as a witness.

, but before we need to know how much funds we raise.

Very stupid decision, because now 35%-50% of all collected BTC will be taxed away forever!

If we only get raised 100 bitcoins we can not spend all in legal fees because we can not do anything for development.

Yes, now 50 BTC are in taxes, clever decision: Instead of asking first, how much the legal fees are (minimum ca. 10 BTC) you waste minium 50 BTC.

Perhaps this is because you defend another project and see us as competition?

I have approx. 12 cryptocoin related projects, which I support. With which you think you can conquer?

Or because we denied your legal assistance?

As I already wrote, it is of course suspicious, if someone refuse free legal support. No one need to have me as a legal adviser. And it isn't rare, that I send people to a third person, because their project need another support or even just a cheaper tax consultant would be enough.

But in your position (not knowing how much you raise and no legal orientation) it is really strange that you refuse support in such an early stage of contact.

(We dont answer your mail?

Please read carefully! Frank(!) never replied to me. On https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/opair-statement-frank-h-rettig?trk=prof-post he wrote "Bei weiteren Fragen können Sie mich gerne per E-Mail kontaktieren."

This i did according to this: "Contact me at frank.h.rettig@gmail.com for more information." And I never got a reply from him(!)

If you want I can copy & paste our mails here)[/b]

Hahaha, what it will proof? That you can use a text editor, that all.

Are you trying to kill, before birth,

No, I was supporting this project from the beginning, with offering support, with doing research, with offering a confidental video chat for free.

But I want to "kill" is the illusion, there is this specific Frank H. Rettig.

a project that has many months of preparation

It is so difficult to fake linkedin profiles? Because I can't see other preparation. Shitty marketing campagne and not a single line of code in github.

and that try to bringing new features (never realized before) to this environment.

Onecoin also had a debit card. Maybe it isn't the only mutual thing between you and Onecoin.

Just because we do not make a video call with you (even you want that we show you ours ID Card?), for the reasons already set up hundreds of times,

Which reason? I mean reason not excuse or pretext. If Frank already posted his real identity on linkedin, he will not harm himself by confirming this identity in a video chat of 10min.

it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

From the view of all this people, which money you want, it make it better. Because this video call can destroy the clear hints that there is a lot of fake in this ICO. And where is fake there is very often scam.

Your choice already, your ICO is already near death. Even before my post. I just want to protect some more inexperienced users.

We just want to let us work in peace.

No one stops you working. Go, sit in front of your pc and code. But stop lure money from innocent people with lies.

We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!!

He is escrower not arbitrator. This different you already didn't understand, when I made escrow for lisk. His duty is not to make quality control. And there is no clear description, no milestones and no rules how much money you will get for which feature. And already now you start by if you will not get enough money, you will skip parts of the project. What is understandable, but absolutly not handable by Sebastian.

you think we are shady?

A bit because...

If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

...this is not true. Just 5-10 BTC will be refunded, for the rest you don't offer escrow. This is shady for me. If you really want to deliver, you will get the money anyway.

Ah yes, because of "the terms have been set at the beginning". Sorry, but stop thinking you can fool adult people with such pretext. You already plan to change you own set rules by paying BTC for the campagne. So the rules are just holy for you as long it is profitable for you.

And if we didnt reach the goal we have only two options (its the truth), do a new ICO or continue with the develop with less funds.

Aha, why not to refund. I don't see how you want to realise debit cards with so less money, because the external cost of this project will be higher. And even for smart contracts you need legal support. Not forgetting, that because of your clever preparation of this ICO, you will make a direct donation to the tax office about 35% to 50% of the whole BTC.

BTW., you and Frank still have the option to solve everything. How? A lot of people showed you already. I will have no porblems to write here, that I made wrong conclusions, if my conclusions are not fitting to the reality.

And I am still offering you legal/tax support boost for free. It will be difficult to solve this 35%-50% tax problem and now I don't recommend you a gGmbh or other charitable organisation, because the money is already taxed, but maybe there is still some hope to minimise the damage or at least.

Scammer dev deleted my post too. İTS A SCAM. Btw OP change the thread name to OPAİR SCAM pls. So people wont invest anymore.

In Scam accusation section may be possible.

[iudica]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Iudica, do not worry, we do not delete any of your messages...

Wasserman, the duration of your promises are shorter than a day! 

We tried to reason with you but badly interpret our sayings and are proud thinking that the only correct way of doing things is your way.

If I interpret anything "badly", then it would be easy to clear it for all. Just deleting makes your project just more shady.

I give several arguments. If you think, they are wrong, show it.

[wasserman99]

We hope you understand that we work for our investors and we must make our platform, as we promised and we want, because we owe it. But if we do not stop in our main thread all the attacks that we consider unjust and unfounded, that affect our investors.  We work for people I trust in us.

About Iudica:

Even if it isn't scam, your project is so badly planned and executed, that it will fail.

This is terrible. I mean, you do not mind all the people who trust us. You just want us to fail to prove your point.

No wonder nothing coming from you.

About us:

Some articles:

- https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-unique-blockchain-platform/
- https://www.ukinvestornetwork.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-and-a-unique-blockchain-platform/
- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-172000207.html

hi all，

I wrote a review for Opair http://btc12.com/2016/08/16/opair-ambitiousblockchainplatform/

http://btc12.com/ is a promising blog specially for chinese investors.  we are offering insides/updates of newest ICOs, altcoins, and new technology.

we bridge chinese investors and fund raisers.

enjoy!

Thanks for your support ! Expansion into China is one of our goals.

Regards

PS: We have said hundreds of times that if no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

[damnMscollec]

I was a victim of vootcoin scam, lost 60BTC

my name: Mscollec is a scammer too, we will see God will punish those scammers!  That's why my name is damn him, lol.    

[iudica]

This is terrible. I mean, you do not mind all the people who trust us.

I mind! This is, why I want to warn them not to trust a fake!

You just want us to fail to prove your point.

Dont play chicken, I already offered you option to solve this. So "my points" are really unimportant. Otherwise I won't offer you serveral ways out of your badly planned, badly executed and selfdamaged project.

No wonder nothing coming from you.

Hello? if nothing coming from me, why you need to delete something?

I made some due diligence with facts and conclusion. You can show if the facts are wrong (and the conclusion will mostly fail then too). You just need to read and awnser, not just deleting. But deleting this post just makes your project scammy. You don't protect the investors, it is ME, who protect them from you.

Btw., the most clear sign, that the CEO Frank is not exist: Every CEO would fire immediately such a crappy marketing director, which harms the project so badly.

[gilang]

I cannot post pictures

[futurebillions]

I cannot post pictures

Just send the link of the image, we need to be member to post them.

[kellendil]

We hope you understand that we work for our investors and we must make our platform, as we promised and we want, because we owe it. But if we do not stop in our main thread all the attacks that we consider unjust and unfounded, that affect our investors.  We work for people I trust in us.

About Iudica:

Even if it isn't scam, your project is so badly planned and executed, that it will fail.

This is terrible. I mean, you do not mind all the people who trust us. You just want us to fail to prove your point.

No wonder nothing coming from you.

About us:

Some articles:

- https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-unique-blockchain-platform/
- https://www.ukinvestornetwork.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-and-a-unique-blockchain-platform/
- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-172000207.html

hi all，

I wrote a review for Opair http://btc12.com/2016/08/16/opair-ambitiousblockchainplatform/

http://btc12.com/ is a promising blog specially for chinese investors.  we are offering insides/updates of newest ICOs, altcoins, and new technology.

we bridge chinese investors and fund raisers.

enjoy!

Thanks for your support ! Expansion into China is one of our goals.

Regards

PS: We have said hundreds of times that if no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

Just take the money and run away you piece of shit. You fucking scammer you fucking THİEF

[kellendil]

Just seen one member opened a scam accusation.     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226

I was a victim of ico scams before, vootcoin scam, lost 60BTC

my name: Mscollec is a scammer too, we will see God will punish those scammers!  That's why my name is damn him, lol.   

yeah write in this thread dont let the scammer take more money

[loveversace]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

[san2ok]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

OP will delete your post very soon, dude. I think OP and kooke are same guy. People deserve to lose money because they failed to research before investing.

KOOKE is not good person, im in the slack chat, he intentionally lure new victim in, because he is already in, so to protect his investment (because he is currently the biggest investor in opair) by making sure the project well funding
actually im also having same situation as him, but im not that mean,, and i will not involve others

wesserman, IF you ARE ALONE, NO PROBLEM, you dont have to act there is hao and frank
we only need to see a face, and video.. so we know whom responsible to our funds,, we will support you if you show up, actually i really like the opair video, design, concept and wallet UI

[/b]

i dont like why you said "People deserve to lose money because they failed to research before investing." they abuse humanity trust

[san2ok]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

kooke invest big amount of btc,, i found his statement in slackchat
so he is afraid the project in danger, because ICO target is not met, he dont care if the developer is real or scam, he will help dev met his target, and see how later

he is similar to me in ORACLE, the difference only i dont help invite more member

[iudica]

Does someone has a disqus or yahoo account and can warn the people there too?

- https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-unique-blockchain-platform/
- https://www.ukinvestornetwork.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-and-a-unique-blockchain-platform/
- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-172000207.html

[whenbuyhouse]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

kooke invest big amount of btc,, i found his statement in slackchat
so he is afraid the project in danger, because ICO target is not met, he dont care if the developer is real or scam, he will help dev met his target, and see how later

is kooke invested 15 btc? The biggest whale? Lol.

[won99]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

kooke invest big amount of btc,, i found his statement in slackchat
so he is afraid the project in danger, because ICO target is not met, he dont care if the developer is real or scam, he will help dev met his target, and see how later

is kooke invested 15 btc? The biggest whale? Lol.

This is just their engineering course.

[san2ok]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

kooke invest big amount of btc,, i found his statement in slackchat
so he is afraid the project in danger, because ICO target is not met, he dont care if the developer is real or scam, he will help dev met his target, and see how later

is kooke invested 15 btc? The biggest whale? Lol.

This is just their engineering course.

he is similar to me in ORACLE, the difference only i dont help invite more member

[YIz]

How did Opair get all this media coverage? that might boost the ICO quite a bit.

[whenbuyhouse]

How did Opair get all this media coverage? that might boost the ICO quite a bit.

Clever guys do not buy this shit, they do deep research like the Germany layer, before investing.

[YIz]

How did Opair get all this media coverage? that might boost the ICO quite a bit.

Clever guys do not buy this shit, they do deep research like the Germany layer, before investing.

I agree, iudica added some serious amount of research to ours. Updated OP with the Opair scam accusation by scammerdie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226

[CoinManiac1]

How did Opair get all this media coverage? that might boost the ICO quite a bit.

It is a press release. Its paid marketing. Contact PR Newswire with your article and they will post it, along with their affilates

[BasementRot]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

[Cboy]

Kooke is wasserman's shill, maybe his alt account, or a stupid big investors cry about his investment will be shit soon.

I bet that he invested lot of $ in the scam and now is supporting it on every thread.

[Cboy]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

why didn't you a make a research before investing?

[likevirgins]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

You should research before investing, asked questions about it, if wasserman couldn't answer, it may be fishy.

[BasementRot]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

why didn't you a make a research before investing?

I wanted the 25% bonus and it wasn't obvious on day 1 that the dev team wasn't real. Also I'm new here..

I didn't invest a lot. I just want to inform newcomers.

[futurebillions]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

why didn't you a make a research before investing?

I wanted the 25% bonus and it wasn't obvious on day 1 that the dev team wasn't real. Also I'm new here..

I didn't invest a lot. I just want to inform newcomers.

Actually I hope you won't have a loss, I pm wasserman and he told me btc38 and polo would list them, I thought it is a scam, no one can be so sure about btc38 listing.

[electronicash]

Being listed doesnt mean thy are legit. They'd just list it and thats it and wasserman can run without developing the coon. After all no one knew him. That should give us the lesson this time.

[loveversace]

Being listed doesnt mean thy are legit. They'd just list it and thats it and wasserman can run without developing the coon. After all no one knew him. That should give us the lesson this time.

It is wasserman's bullshit to lure(scam) ico guys, so made this ridiculous news. Chinese exchanges won't list this controversial shit.

[wtman]

Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.

I regret my investment!

why didn't you a make a research before investing?

I wanted the 25% bonus and it wasn't obvious on day 1 that the dev team wasn't real. Also I'm new here..

I didn't invest a lot. I just want to inform newcomers.

Actually I hope you won't have a loss, I pm wasserman and he told me btc38 and polo would list them, I thought it is a scam, no one can be so sure about btc38 listing.

He really told you polo would list him? What an obvious scam. You have to be a total idiot to believe polo will list someone for sure

Also, don't give them a dime without a google hangout or something. Photos and linkedin profiles aren't enough. Watch him over a video conference, only them invest any money. Its the scam season these days. Just look at what happened with Oracle a few days ago

[icoprofit]

Exchange promise is shit, never trust this kind of words. Do research before buying.

[wtman]

We hope you understand that we work for our investors and we must make our platform, as we promised and we want, because we owe it. But if we do not stop in our main thread all the attacks that we consider unjust and unfounded, that affect our investors.  We work for people I trust in us.

About Iudica:

Even if it isn't scam, your project is so badly planned and executed, that it will fail.

This is terrible. I mean, you do not mind all the people who trust us. You just want us to fail to prove your point.

No wonder nothing coming from you.

About us:

Some articles:

- https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-unique-blockchain-platform/
- https://www.ukinvestornetwork.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-and-a-unique-blockchain-platform/
- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-172000207.html

hi all，

I wrote a review for Opair http://btc12.com/2016/08/16/opair-ambitiousblockchainplatform/

http://btc12.com/ is a promising blog specially for chinese investors.  we are offering insides/updates of newest ICOs, altcoins, and new technology.

we bridge chinese investors and fund raisers.

enjoy!

Thanks for your support ! Expansion into China is one of our goals.

Regards

PS: We have said hundreds of times that if no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

Do you have a facebook account? Let us know when you can be "live" on facebook. When you are live, make sure to hold your government issued ID in your hand so we can see you really are who you claim to be. Then I can maybe believe a little in opair. Otherwise, this is a total scam

[violet.project]

He really told you polo would list him? What an obvious scam. You have to be a total idiot to believe polo will list someone for sure

Also, don't give them a dime without a google hangout or something. Photos and linkedin profiles aren't enough. Watch him over a video conference, only them invest any money. Its the scam season these days. Just look at what happened with Oracle a few days ago

you havent delist my wife, you also not a good person

[wannaberich]

We hope you understand that we work for our investors and we must make our platform, as we promised and we want, because we owe it. But if we do not stop in our main thread all the attacks that we consider unjust and unfounded, that affect our investors.  We work for people I trust in us.

About Iudica:

Even if it isn't scam, your project is so badly planned and executed, that it will fail.

This is terrible. I mean, you do not mind all the people who trust us. You just want us to fail to prove your point.

No wonder nothing coming from you.

About us:

https://i.imgur.com/WhdTG73.jpg

Some articles:

- https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-unique-blockchain-platform/
- https://www.ukinvestornetwork.com/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-programming-decentralized-debit-cards-and-a-unique-blockchain-platform/
- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opair-projects-cryptocurrency-ico-functional-172000207.html

hi all，

I wrote a review for Opair http://btc12.com/2016/08/16/opair-ambitiousblockchainplatform/

http://btc12.com/ is a promising blog specially for chinese investors.  we are offering insides/updates of newest ICOs, altcoins, and new technology.

we bridge chinese investors and fund raisers.

enjoy!

Thanks for your support ! Expansion into China is one of our goals.

Regards

PS: We have said hundreds of times that if no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

Do you have a facebook account? Let us know when you can be "live" on facebook. When you are live, make sure to hold your government issued ID in your hand so we can see you really are who you claim to be. Then I can maybe believe a little in opair. Otherwise, this is a total scam

wasserman will ignore your request because he may be a wanted criminal. he 100% refuse your request.

[wasserman99]

I want to clarify that we never confirm that we will be listed in any exchange because that would be a lie. Those who have asked me, I just repeated the same we said in our thread on the first day:

-   It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.

It is really surprising what is happening here. There are a couple of users who are accusing us with no arguments. They just want our project to fail or I disappear to say that they were right. It is a bit unfair. But we will show them they are wrong and we will draw our platform forward. Fortunately, investors continue to give us their support and dont believe in the accusations of these people.

I hope that third parties can read the thread objectively and draw their own conclusions.

I will repeat my last message, because it is quite clear:

There is no question. Everything was clear in our thread. On our team we decided not to make a video interview at this stage of the process and for that we receive attacks from some users. Beyond that there is nothing.

Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

We just want to let us work in peace. We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!! If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

Even, we know that the two features that highlight in our project are the use of functional programming and decentralized debits cards, which both go to be our two main pillars. We are going to focus and develop these characteristics no matter how much funding we get.

We keep our promise. Time will prove us right. Whoever wants to trust us is welcome.

Regards

PS: If no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

[YIz]

I want to clarify that we never confirm that we will be listed in any exchange because that would be a lie. Those who have asked me, I just repeated the same we said in our thread on the first day:

-   It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.

It is really surprising what is happening here. There are a couple of users who are accusing us with no arguments. They just want our project to fail or I disappear to say that they were right. It is a bit unfair. But we will show them they are wrong and we will draw our platform forward. Fortunately, investors continue to give us their support and dont believe in the accusations of these people.

I hope that third parties can read the thread objectively and draw their own conclusions.

I will repeat my last message, because it is quite clear:

There is no question. Everything was clear in our thread. On our team we decided not to make a video interview at this stage of the process and for that we receive attacks from some users. Beyond that there is nothing.

Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

We just want to let us work in peace. We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!! If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

Even, we know that the two features that highlight in our project are the use of functional programming and decentralized debits cards, which both go to be our two main pillars. We are going to focus and develop these characteristics no matter how much funding we get.

We keep our promise. Time will prove us right. Whoever wants to trust us is welcome.

Regards

PS: If no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

Why are you always repeating the same over and over again? nothing has changed, you don't have to post the same statements every single day. And I would love to see ours claims proven wrong, because it means nobody got scammed and everyone's happy.

[BasementRot]

Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

Please explain very clearly why you can't simply prove to us that your coin founder is a real person?


I don't want the coin to fail. I just want the truth, which would benefit you greatly if you are being honest.

It is pretty obvious that you don't have someone on your team that looks like Franks picture. If you did, you could dispel a huge amount of this FUD with 15 minutes of Franks time.

[kellendil]

Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

Please explain very clearly why you can't simply prove to us that your coin founder is a real person?


I don't want the coin to fail. I just want the truth, which would benefit you greatly if you are being honest.

It is pretty obvious that you don't have someone on your team that looks like Franks picture. If you did, you could dispel a huge amount of this FUD with 15 minutes of Franks time.

İ tell you what he is going to tell: Some users are threatening us... :DD İn fact he already showed their FACES and gave us their NAMES and we know WHERE they are working but it is a huuuuge problem to give us a live stream with the devs ahhah FAKE DEVS and FAKE LİNKEDİN ACCOUNTS THATS WHY HE CANT.

EDİT: At first they he told everyone that they couldnt make a video call because they are working full time They want huge amounts of btc but they dont have 5 min for a call So he realized that his lie was obvious and he changed it to the actual one...

[iudica]

I hope that third parties can read the thread objectively and draw their own conclusions.

If you watch on your stats, you already can see the objective conclusions of the third parties 

Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something.

Please contact me directly via mp.

Bye!

A community manager search a community manager? As a first message after 1 1/2 years of silence? This ICO become more and more fishy.

[likevirgins]

I hope that third parties can read the thread objectively and draw their own conclusions.

If you watch on your stats, you already can see the objective conclusions of the third parties  

Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something.

Please contact me directly via mp.

Bye!

A community manager search a community manager? As a first message after 1 1/2 years of silence? This ICO become more and more fishy.

Haha, I think he wanted to act as a CEO for first plan, but he couldn't find a PR, so he now becomes both CEO and PR. ROFL.  

His own Introduction
Wasserman99 (Marketing Director)

Here I am! My job is to create and maintain the community of Opair being the link between the development team and community. I'll see that Opair be known by as many people as possible without neglecting to update the community and be attentive to your questions and suggestions. In essence, my work is about crafting decision-making on everything related to communication and marketing of the project. Also, I will be responsible for maintaining and monitoring our social networks.

After many months of work and planning we finally introduce ourselves to the community. We are looking forward to hearing from you.

For any questions you can send a message to this account or via email: opair@openmailbox.org

[Cboy]

I want to clarify that we never confirm that we will be listed in any exchange because that would be a lie. Those who have asked me, I just repeated the same we said in our thread on the first day:

 It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.

Who is we ? You and your two imaginary friends ? Have you proved that they are real persons?

[loveversace]

I want to clarify that we never confirm that we will be listed in any exchange because that would be a lie. Those who have asked me, I just repeated the same we said in our thread on the first day:

 It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.

Who is we ? You and your two imaginary friends ? Have you proved that they are real persons?

He really wanted to use "I", LMAO. If he used "I", people would know he is a sure/100% scammer, therefore he pretended they are 3 people, and used "we".

Maybe he has schizophrenic.

[electronicash]

legit users do whatever it takes to prove them real but this wasserman is scary as hell that he'd rather risk the failure of this ICO than providing proof. So this is obviously something alot scary. Would he return all the btc gathered if the 700btc target isn't generated? Of course NOT. Because the truth is that no one knew him at all. He'll just delete the ANN thread and forget everything.

[kellendil]

That fucking scammer wassermann makes me so angry fucking, lying piece of shit POLONİEX FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FAKE NON EXİSTİNG DEVS. İm sorry for the guys whose pıctures you used they get so much hate right now you asshole. Just shut up your lying mouth you prick.

[icoprofit]

legit users do whatever it takes to prove them real but this wasserman is scary as hell that he'd rather risk the failure of this ICO than providing proof. So this is obviously something alot scary. Would he return all the btc gathered if the 700btc target isn't generated? Of course NOT. Because the truth is that no one knew him at all. He'll just delete the ANN thread and forget everything.

I remember he said he would continue or extend the ico deadline to get 700BTC fund. Ridiculous fucking greedy bastard! Maybe he will get 700BTC in 1 year?   

[kellendil]

I want to clarify that we never confirm that we will be listed in any exchange because that would be a lie. Those who have asked me, I just repeated the same we said in our thread on the first day:

-   It is too early to talk about exchanges but we want to make it clear that Opair will not have any exclusivity and our goal is to work with Bittrex, BTC38 and Poloniex to make our platform have a simultaneous release.

It is really surprising what is happening here. There are a couple of users who are accusing us with no arguments. They just want our project to fail or I disappear to say that they were right. It is a bit unfair. But we will show them they are wrong and we will draw our platform forward. Fortunately, investors continue to give us their support and dont believe in the accusations of these people.

I hope that third parties can read the thread objectively and draw their own conclusions.

I will repeat my last message, because it is quite clear:

There is no question. Everything was clear in our thread. On our team we decided not to make a video interview at this stage of the process and for that we receive attacks from some users. Beyond that there is nothing.

Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.

We just want to let us work in peace. We are offer a full escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds to us by PARTS!!!!! If we dont deliver or stop develop he will refund to everyone.

Even, we know that the two features that highlight in our project are the use of functional programming and decentralized debits cards, which both go to be our two main pillars. We are going to focus and develop these characteristics no matter how much funding we get.

We keep our promise. Time will prove us right. Whoever wants to trust us is welcome.

Regards

PS: If no one wants to invest in our project or wait until the end of ICO to invest are free to do so.

YOU CANT EVEN SHOW US YOUR FACE YOU FUCKED UP SCAMMER.

[kellendil]

legit users do whatever it takes to prove them real but this wasserman is scary as hell that he'd rather risk the failure of this ICO than providing proof. So this is obviously something alot scary. Would he return all the btc gathered if the 700btc target isn't generated? Of course NOT. Because the truth is that no one knew him at all. He'll just delete the ANN thread and forget everything.

I remember he said he would continue or extend the ico deadline to get 700BTC fund. Ridiculous fucking greedy bastard! Maybe he will get 700BTC in 1 year?  

THAT FUCKER GONNA SCAM MORE AND THERE ARE STİLL PEOPLE WHO SEND FREE BTC!!! WRİTE İN THE MAİNTHREAD HE BANNED ME. DONT LET HİM GET MORE SCAMMER.

And that asshole is accusing us of creating accounts and fudding him Just look at our posts and you guys will know that we have no connection. We are just people who know that you are a scammer.

@wassermann You are really a unique kind of a human. After a long time someone managed me make me that angry. But dont worry, i know that you live in Germany and im from there too. İ will start a legal prosecution against you no matter how much it will cost like i said you before. İm just waiting for the end of the İCO to prove myself that im right. Your VPN wont help you.

Lets see who will be sorry in the end. You or we.

[icoprofit]

legit users do whatever it takes to prove them real but this wasserman is scary as hell that he'd rather risk the failure of this ICO than providing proof. So this is obviously something alot scary. Would he return all the btc gathered if the 700btc target isn't generated? Of course NOT. Because the truth is that no one knew him at all. He'll just delete the ANN thread and forget everything.

I remember he said he would continue or extend the ico deadline to get 700BTC fund. Ridiculous fucking greedy bastard! Maybe he will get 700BTC in 1 year?   

THAT FUCKER GONNA SCAM MORE AND THERE ARE STİLL PEOPLE WHO SEND FREE BTC!!! WRİTE İN THE MAİNTHREAD HE BANNED ME. DONT LET HİM GET MORE SCAMMER

Yes, we have to bump this thread, he is always deleting posts against him. He is a 100% scammer.

[kellendil]

@wassermann You are really a unique kind of a human. After a long time someone managed me make me that angry. But dont worry, i know that you live in Germany and im from there too. İ will start a legal prosecution against you no matter how much it will cost like i said you before. İm just waiting for the end of the İCO to prove myself that im right. Your VPN wont help you.

Lets see who will be sorry in the end. You or we.

[daobadico]

@wassermann You are really a unique kind of a human. After a long time someone managed me make me that angry. But dont worry, i know that you live in Germany and im from there too. İ will start a legal prosecution against you no matter how much it will cost like i said you before. İm just waiting for the end of the İCO to prove myself that im right. Your VPN wont help you.

Lets see who will be sorry in the end. You or we.

Maybe he is not a Germany at all, and no Germany CEO behind the scene. And sir we should save our money on this shit.

[kellendil]

@wassermann You are really a unique kind of a human. After a long time someone managed me make me that angry. But dont worry, i know that you live in Germany and im from there too. İ will start a legal prosecution against you no matter how much it will cost like i said you before. İm just waiting for the end of the İCO to prove myself that im right. Your VPN wont help you.

Lets see who will be sorry in the end. You or we.

Maybe he is not a Germany at all, and no Germany CEO behind the scene. And sir we should save our money on this shit.

He wrote the fake post of the fake DEV FRANK RETTİG. İt was good german so he is probably native and beside that i wrote a german pm to him, he understood everything without a problem. İt is possible that he is from germany at least. His vpn wont help.

[scammerdie]

Yeah, you guys are welcomed to talk in my thread in scam accusation section.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226

[BasementRot]

Kooke does sound like Wasserman99 doesn't he?

I think he might be!

Kooke has over 400 post but most of them are from 2014 or before.

He took a break for almost 2 years and made 0 post during that time. Then just 8 days before the Opair ICO, he became super active again!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85229;sa=showPosts;start=60

[singaporedollar]

Kooke does sound like Wasserman99 doesn't he?

I think he might be!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85229;sa=showPosts;start=60

Kooke has over 400 post but most of them are from 2014 or before.

He took a break for almost 2 years and made 0 post during that time. Then just 8 days before the Opair ICO, he became super active again!

Kooke and wasserman is the same guy, who is the scammer of opair. And they both think newbie accounts are not trustful, therefore they bought or hacked senior accounts.

[BasementRot]

Yeah he got a hold of an account that hasn't been used in years. Look at all his post. They are all about Opair. He is a fake cheerleader.

Kooke and Wasserman99.. It's the same guy. That is why he is so illogically supportive of this obvious fraud ICO.

[YIz]

Yeah he got a hold of an account that hasn't been used in years. Look at all his post. They are all about Opair. He is a fake cheerleader.

Kooke and Wasserman99.. It's the same guy. That is why he is so illogically supportive of this obvious fraud ICO.

If you are so sure that kooke is wasserman99 then maybe go back to kooke's posts and find more details about wasserman's identity.
I generally got convinced that Opair is not a direct scam when they started using an escrow. and that however doesn't mean I think it is legit, my guess is that wasserman is trying to fool people that he has a serious development team who is experienced. He's probably Dutch or German considering that he speaks the language, and maybe has one or two of his friends to help him out with the development.
Maybe the initial idea was to collect as many funds as possible without an escrow, and then run away with them once the ICO is done, but when he saw that people are starting to make noise, he decided that he might profit more if he actually delivers some kind of a product and recieve the funds from Sebastian.

Anyways, I honestly think that he would have been more successful he he stated that the team is "two german 14-year old skids" and those kids were giving interviews, than two random people who refuse for an interview, even a confidential one, by telling the community it would harm their jobs.

He could still run away with 60 BTC at any given moment, because he never sent the initial ICO funds to SebastianJu. this is one hell of a payday for posting at a bitcoin forum for a month.

[emmarose]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Where can I find wallet for opair and if it will be listed in any exchange? I think this project has some potential and I am investing in many Alt coins so this could be another one

Will be available once the ICO finish, in order to make the distribution.

This is the same fake like the linkedin profiles.

Do you have any evidence the linkin profiles are fake?
Did you make any attempt to contact them?
You say you are a lawyer, yet it seems reckless to call the profiles fake if you have not made such inquiry.

Here can found his thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.40

I ask you before making any investment, carefully read all that thread and draw your own conclusion.

Regards

You do not need to explain any more . everything is still remain on the first thread.
I do not care about having escrow or not . Just want the OPAIR  project to perform smoothly and Opair system will be good method of payment in the future.

Sorry for your loss. you must have invested to this project without reading the rest. maybe you thought the bonuses should make you richer. just pray that wasserman will actually list this coin on exchange. because if not, you just earn yourself a very rare coin. so rare you gotta wonder no one ever care. lol

Yeah, hope they have chance to dump on exchanges, look "synqcoin", dev raised 38 btc in ico, but isn't willing to spend 0.1 btc listing fee even on yobit. Other big exchange like bittrex ignores this coin

HE DELETED MY POST.

[BasementRot]

Yeah he got a hold of an account that hasn't been used in years. Look at all his post. They are all about Opair. He is a fake cheerleader.

Kooke and Wasserman99.. It's the same guy. That is why he is so illogically supportive of this obvious fraud ICO.

If you are so sure that kooke is wasserman99 then maybe go back to kooke's posts and find more details about wasserman's identity.
I generally got convinced that Opair is not a direct scam when they started using an escrow. and that however doesn't mean I think it is legit, my guess is that wasserman is trying to fool people that he has a serious development team who is experienced. He's probably Dutch or German considering that he speaks the language, and maybe has one or two of his friends to help him out with the development.
Maybe the initial idea was to collect as many funds as possible without an escrow, and then run away with them once the ICO is done, but when he saw that people are starting to make noise, he decided that he might profit more if he actually delivers some kind of a product and recieve the funds from Sebastian.

Anyways, I honestly think that he would have been more successful he he stated that the team is "two german 14-year old skids" and those kids were giving interviews, than two random people who refuse for an interview, even a confidential one, by telling the community it would harm their jobs.

He could still run away with 60 BTC at any given moment, because he never sent the initial ICO funds to SebastianJu. this is one hell of a payday for posting at a bitcoin forum for a month.

He must have some plan. All the ICO money is still sent to him, not the escrow, then he forwards it. Maybe he is planning to stop forwarding on the last day or two? Hoping for a big rush of final investors?

Like you said, he might try to half ass deliver features to get ICO money. Or maybe he thought he could trick people into giving him 700 btc and he could build a good coin.

[adhitthana]

Why are you always repeating the same over and over again? nothing has changed, you don't have to post the same statements every single day. And I would love to see ours claims proven wrong, because it means nobody got scammed and everyone's happy.

Can you clearly state what your claims are and what evidence supports your claims?
Thanks

[iudica]

I generally got convinced that Opair is not a direct scam when they started using an escrow. and that however doesn't mean I think it is legit, my guess is that wasserman is trying to fool people that he has a serious development team who is experienced.

I think the same. I guess he really want to develop something, but he isn't a reputable programmer, so he fake two. For scam he don't need to invent the functional programming stuff, he can just use some buzzword to lure people.

And the escrow doesn't make to much sense for scam.

Even if he is a 14 year old guy, I would support him, but faking and staying anonymous is not a base to make serious business.

Maybe he is planning to stop forwarding on the last day or two? Hoping for a big rush of final investors?

I don't know, why SebastianJu accept this. If he tell that he escrow it, means, he (Sebastian) is responsible. If this money get lost by such a plan, Sebastian has to refund the investors by his own money.

Like you said, he might try to half ass deliver features to get ICO money.

Yes, I don't know the terms between SebatianJu and wasserman. I dont know what "by PARTS!!!!!" means. Because there are no milestones and no calculation about them. I think there will be this half ass deliver and Sebastian need to free the coin because litterally the features are delivered.

[BasementRot]

Yes, I don't know the terms between SebatianJu and wasserman. I dont know what "by PARTS!!!!!" means. Because there are no milestones and no calculation about them. I think there will be this half ass deliver and Sebastian need to free the coin because litterally the features are delivered.

I asked both of them a few days ago when I started to realize Frank wasn't real. They don't have an agreement on any milestones or any details. I kept trying to point it out as another red flag but I guess it got lost in all the comments.

[BasementRot]

Why are you always repeating the same over and over again? nothing has changed, you don't have to post the same statements every single day. And I would love to see ours claims proven wrong, because it means nobody got scammed and everyone's happy.

Can you clearly state what your claims are and what evidence supports your claims?
Thanks

It will take a lot of work to gather all the quotes as proof but the most damning thing IMO is this...

The coin founder/lead programmer Frank is not real. If you have been following the drama this has become very obvious.
What kind of founder won't participate in the community or talk to anyone during their own ICO?
If he was real he could easily prove it and stop most of this FUD, but he just won't do it. 
If you read all the post you would see just how silly it is.
wasserman99's excuses why have all been nonsense.



Anyone who is thinking about investing in Opair, read all the pages in these threads, it will probably change your mind.

(current thread)    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.160
(OPAIR ICO=SCAM!! thread)    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.0

[electronicash]

For those whi invested, Blame it to wasserman. He already know hiw to exactly solve this situation but he kept insisting of anonimity. A developer asking for money/funds and wants no one to know him? Aint that bullshit?

This project is like adzoin which is just as scammy as opair. Now adzcoin lock their thread after i exposed their pervious scam projects.

[lovelybear]

For those whi invested, Blame it to wasserman. He already know hiw to exactly solve this situation but he kept insisting of anonimity. A developer asking for money/funds and wants no one to know him? Aint that bullshit?

This project is like adzoin which is just as scammy as opair. Now adzcoin lock their thread after i exposed their pervious scam projects.

Yes, they should blame wasserman actually. Many said they need an interview for 10 minutes, or hangout doesn't cost too long. But he dare not. If the project fails, fuck wasserman. 

[iudica]

To help people outside of BCT, please share/retweet

https://twitter.com/RA_Hellinger/status/766607981085589505

Thanks

[seige]

Hmmm not that I trust this coin or anything.

But what I have been reading and hearing about you electronicash is that you're another big scammer here  

You have a website named trafficbroker which you used to scam people electronicash?



So you would be the last person to trust on this forum.


My advice to people, use your own brain than following words from other scammers

[adhitthana]

Well I put a fraction of a bitcoin in, as a test, so I may lose it.
 
I'd like to see some evidence Frank H. Rettig is real. There is not much about him when I googled him.
I've had  very good experience with ICO's. I've always done well, but maybe this one wont. I don't know

[adhitthana]

Ok..I don't know but I think you guys might be right

[kooke]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account 

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

[CoinManiac1]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account 

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

Wasserman loves copy and paste. Our boy kooke loves it too. 

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[electronicash]

Hmmm not that I trust this coin or anything.

But what I have been reading and hearing about you electronicash is that you're another big scammer here  

You have a website named trafficbroker which you used to scam people electronicash?



So you would be the last person to trust on this forum.


My advice to people, use your own brain than following words from other scammers

and you've actually stalked me here? am i that great? i've earn a lot of fans by busting these scammers these days.
So why don't you tell me why an adult adnetwork owner which was one of the top 10 in the year 2015 doing in bitcointalk.org with yobit signature?

i wouldn't waste my time to adzcoin scam if i am that rich lol

but what i can say is that adzcoin and opair is no different but scam coins. check this proof  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1590725.msg15983803#msg15983803

[YIz]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account  

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

You are such a detective sherlock! I doubt a single person owns all of those accounts, the Opair project is much less threatening to others than you think. There is a lot of competition and you are not a major player in the crypto scene, so nobody would actually spend this much time trying to take you down.

BTW, look at my own detective work:

https://i.imgur.com/LNTZmMt.png

[singaporedollar]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account  

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

http://s.mmgo.io/t/av0

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

You are such a detective sherlock! I doubt a single person owns all of those accounts, the Opair project is much less threatening to others than you think. There is a lot of competition and you are not a major player in the crypto scene, so nobody would actually spend this much time trying to take you down.

BTW, look at my own detective work:

https://i.imgur.com/LNTZmMt.png

You guys are all detectives. I know Chinese, and my previous posts about many other coins, not only stratis, about lisk, lir, and many others. YIZ's good find, if kooke admits he is wasserman, I would "admit" i am the Chinese whale who doesn't like Opair. LMAO

And kooke you have seen any real Chinese speak English well like me? You should read the link below. Only 0.8% Chinese know English, less Chinese know BCT forum.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

And yiz's image is very good proof, why? Nobody calls one guy as "men"(wasserman called kllendil "men", kooke called findscam "men"), you guys both don't know one person should be "man", not "men". Such a coincidence, we can hardly find 2 bad grammer learners in a coin thread, right?  

[YIz]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account  

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

You are such a detective sherlock! I doubt a single person owns all of those accounts, the Opair project is much less threatening to others than you think. There is a lot of competition and you are not a major player in the crypto scene, so nobody would actually spend this much time trying to take you down.

BTW, look at my own detective work:

https://i.imgur.com/LNTZmMt.png

You guys are all detectives. I know Chinese, and my previous posts about many other coins, not only stratis, about lisk, lir, and many others. YIZ's good find, if kooke admits he is wasserman, I would "admit" i am the Chinese whale who doesn't like Opair. LMAO

And kooke you have seen any real Chinese speak English well like me? You should read the link below. Only 0.8% Chinese know English, less Chinese know BCT forum.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

And yiz's image is very good proof, why? Nobody calls one guy as "men"(wasserman called kllendil "men", kooke called findscam "men"), you guys both don't know one person should be "man", not "men". Such a coincidence, we can hardly find 2 bad grammer learners in a coin thread, right?  

Yeah I found it very sketchy myself, they are connected in some way, I guess.

[kooke]

@YIz Really this is your super proof? As i said before, i can verify my investment and buy your account if you want to exit but you accuse me of being someone else? Crazy.
At least take the time to investigate as i did, that i found like 20 accounts involved in that lie.

@singaporedollar dont try to lie me, even look the names of the accounts...use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and so on. So go to another place with your accounts. You (the person behind these accounts) must be a scammer.

[kellendil]

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users:

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions. By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account  

ICO Update

I would like all users interested in the project come to our Slack to have a more fluid conversation.
Send an email to opair@openmailbox.org to request an invitation.

Members: 389
Number of investments: 227
Amount invested: 98.32 BTC

Congrats!!!

Good health to Opair!

Okay buy my account if you believe in this scam

http://prntscr.com/c85zu9

[YIz]

@YIz Really this is your super proof? As i said before, i can verify my investment and buy your account if you want to exit but you accuse me of being someone else? Crazy.
At least take the time to investigate as i did, that i found like 20 accounts involved in that lie.

@singaporedollar dont try to lie me, even look the names of the accounts...use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and so on. So go to another place with your accounts. You (the person behind these accounts) must be a scammer.

Super proof? what? I sent this picture because you think you are sherlock holmes and post nonsense. I can post nonsense too and claim it is my "research".

[kooke]

@kellendil Of course, send me a message with your price and we will try to make an agree.

@YIz, are you kidding me? Please read my message again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg15980011#msg15980011) even look the names of the accounts...use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and so on. So go to another place with your accounts.

Do you really think these people are disconnected between them ? It is so clear.

[YIz]

@kellendil Of course, send me a message with your price and we will try to make an agree.

@YIz, are you kidding me? Please read my message again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg15980011#msg15980011) even look the names of the accounts...use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and so on. So go to another place with your accounts.

Do you really think these people are disconnected between them ? It is so clear.

With my accounts? do you think I am the one behind all of those accounts? alright then, I am probably very bored and support Stratis, as you said.

[kooke]

@YIz sorry my bad, this message go to the person behind these accounts, not you. So, do you really think these people are disconnected between them ? Please answer this

[YIz]

@YIz sorry my bad, this message go to the person behind these accounts, not you. So, do you really think these people are disconnected between them ? Please answer this

Some of them are probably connected, but I doubt one person owns them all, because there are too many of them, unless he really has a lot of free time.

[risehasfallen]

just gave them both bad trust, to warn others 

[risehasfallen]

yes its true, kooke is wasserman, i saw the posting date, they both inactive and recently active only for opair

[risehasfallen]

Look how bitcoin turned out ~ no one knows who/where/what/why Satoshi is.

Does Satoshi ever ask for a single BTC? No! Nobody would complain, is wasserman develops some software first and offered it for free like Satoshi.

As he dont want this, you cant compare it.

ATM this is just nay saying at the possibility of something happening that hasn't happened.

That's right.  How I know, that jumping down from the 5th floor hurt me? It never happen to me. Learning from the past, searching parallels from other scams or making proper conclusion is just for loosers.

"OPAIR ICO=SCAM!!" is a bs thought with no evidence backing it up and no, lack of certain user requested information doesn't qualify as evidence.

Your thinking is wrong. If wasserman wants money from someone, HE must proof that he doesn't want to scam them, not opposite. But if somebody doesn't want to proof it, it is a clear sign of scam.

So no wonder, that all people scream "scam".

wasserman and kooke keep doing copy and paste
these guy also use fake and stolen username

[kooke]

@kellendil, i never receive your private message...i am still waiting.

@risehasfallen, another sock-puppet accounts haha (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15979938#msg15979938), i am still researching about you. I found more and more accounts related to you every day.

Good health to Opair.

[BasementRot]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

[kooke]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent 
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate 

[CoinManiac1]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent  
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate  

So, you think it is not scam. Pay him 100%. He will be happy and you will be happy since your investment will increase in your so called OPAIR scam coin

[kooke]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent  
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate  

So, you think it is not scam. Pay him 100%. He will be happy and you will be happy since your investment will increase in your so called OPAIR scam coin

I'm happy with my share but if he wants to get out dirtying the entire project i would never buy it at full price. I'm not his guardian angel. If he want to go out before the launch of the project, he can accept my offer, it is better than nothing as he says the project will be.

[CoinManiac1]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent  
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate  

So, you think it is not scam. Pay him 100%. He will be happy and you will be happy since your investment will increase in your so called OPAIR scam coin

I'm happy with my share but if he wants to get out dirtying the entire project i would never buy it at full price. I'm not his guardian angel. If he want to go out before the launch of the project, he can accept my offer, it is better than nothing as he says the project will be.

Your share? I doubt you invested? Proof here that you invested by signing your transaction.

Right wasserman...oh oh kooke

[kooke]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent  
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate  

So, you think it is not scam. Pay him 100%. He will be happy and you will be happy since your investment will increase in your so called OPAIR scam coin

I'm happy with my share but if he wants to get out dirtying the entire project i would never buy it at full price. I'm not his guardian angel. If he want to go out before the launch of the project, he can accept my offer, it is better than nothing as he says the project will be.

Your share? I doubt you invested? Proof here that you invested by signing your transaction.

Right wasserman...oh oh kooke

As i said before (please read), i dont have any problem to verify my investment but not to show it to you, to someone reliable in private (maybe SebastianJu).   

[CoinManiac1]

Those looking to investment, make sure have a look at OPAIR empty github

https://github.com/Opair

[kooke]

Those looking to investment, make sure have a look at OPAIR empty github

https://github.com/Opair

Really? There is an account profile link, they never pretend to have the code on Github (just the account), they already said that they will start to add the code when ready.

But, good try 

[BasementRot]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent 
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate 

Except someone else might buy it from me for more. Uncheckmate


My Opair account is worth .38 btc after bonus. I will sell it to the best offer some time before the ICO ends. If anyone believes in Opair, this is your chance to get cheap Opair. We can use whatever escrow, i'll pay the fee.

[kooke]

Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.

What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.

This was my message to you:

Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent 
I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept.

You ask for more and my reply was:

Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow.

Checkmate 

Except someone else might buy it from me for more. Uncheckmate

Great!, congrats! more support to Opair 

[CoinManiac1]

Those looking to investment, make sure have a look at OPAIR empty github

https://github.com/Opair

Really? There is an account profile link, they never pretend to have the code on Github (just the account), they already said that they will start to add the code when ready.

But, good try 

Ya, they will add when the scam finishes. Stop with your silly excuses... Losers like you destroy the adoption of bitcoin and other crypto.

[CoinManiac1]

@Kooke. Name any verified ICO without a empty looking github.

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1, many of them do not create an account at Github finished until long after the ICO. What happened here was that they created Github account previously, to save steps. I see no benefit in creating a Github account and let it empty, no one is so foolish as to think otherwise, as i said, that must be just to save steps.

[CoinManiac1]

If you notice kooke and wasserman account, both were active till October 2014. Then in 2016, zoop, both came online...


I think both account are of the same person.

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, many of them do not create an account at Github finished until long after the ICO. What happened here was that they created Github account previously, to save steps. I see no benefit in creating a Github account and let it empty, no one is so foolish as to think otherwise, as i said, that must be just to save steps.

Haha, ready with your excuses. Stop bullshitting. Scammer

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously?   Dont be that guy

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously?   Dont be that guy

I am attacking you, I am attacking the scammer. I am that guy who loves stopping scam. Recent ones, Mentrio, Oracle, Mudra (May be) and now OPAIR.

Edit: Why do you urself have the evidence to defend OPAIR? Coz u dont have it. OPAIR has red flags marked all over it.

1. Radio interview - Unchecked
2. All ICO funds transferred to Sebastin - Unchecked
3. Marketing - Only Press Release - Picked up by MSM - Unchecked
4. Github code - empty - Unchecked
5. Developer interaction - Unchecked

Besides, there are many. Stop defending and let wasserman defend. Dont be a shill kooke..

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously?   Dont be that guy

I am attacking you, I am attacking the scammer. I am that guy who loves stopping scam. Recent ones, Mentrio, Oracle, Mudra (May be) and now OPAIR.

You are wrong this time but you are the only who is against Opair who dont is shady, so well for you, at least, you are trying to do what you think is best. Ii made a research (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg15980011#msg15980011) and all the newbies here belong to the same account and electronic it is a scammer that even try to extort to wasserman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15990065#msg15990065).
The problem here that you dont have proof of anything, you always repeat the same and the only fact that they dont make a video its not an evidence.

Lets be honest, just because someone doesn't want to reveal themselves through a video, drinking a cup of tee with investors or having a sleepover ~ doesn't mean anything. Look how bitcoin turned out ~ no one knows who/where/what/why Satoshi is. That's where the rewards of early investing plays a roll.

Too make it really easy, if you can prove that fraud or swindling happened, then supply us with more of those details and it will carry a lot more weight. ATM this is just nay saying at the possibility of something happening that hasn't happened.

Edit:

1. Radio interview - Its the same that the video, read above.
2. All ICO funds transferred to Sebastin - SebastianJu already have almost the same amount that the first phase, in a few days he will have more than the first phase.
3. Marketing - They have a lot of coverage in the news (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15976552#msg15976552), promotional images (banners, wallpaper, etc), twitter updates, slack, wasserman is here 24/7.
4. Github - They just make the account, the code will be available like in the 90% of the ICO when ready (after the ICO of course).
5. Developer interaction - The developer develop and the marketing guy do marketing. Wasserman is the guy behind the marketing in Opair and he is available almost 24/7 here, by email or in the slack. But even, Frank made a statement here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15751535#msg15751535)


CoinManiac1, I dont have anything against you, continue with your work.

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously?   Dont be that guy

I am attacking you, I am attacking the scammer. I am that guy who loves stopping scam. Recent ones, Mentrio, Oracle, Mudra (May be) and now OPAIR.

You are wrong this time but you are the only who is against Opair who dont is shady, so well for you, at least, you are trying to do what you think is best. Ii made a research (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg15980011#msg15980011) and all the newbies here belong to the same account and electronic it is a scammer that even try to extort to wasserman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15990065#msg15990065).
The problem here that you dont have proof of anything, you always repeat the same and the only fact that they dont make a video its not an evidence.

Lets be honest, just because someone doesn't want to reveal themselves through a video, drinking a cup of tee with investors or having a sleepover ~ doesn't mean anything. Look how bitcoin turned out ~ no one knows who/where/what/why Satoshi is. That's where the rewards of early investing plays a roll.

Too make it really easy, if you can prove that fraud or swindling happened, then supply us with more of those details and it will carry a lot more weight. ATM this is just nay saying at the possibility of something happening that hasn't happened.

Edit:

1. Radio interview - Its the same that the video, read above.
2. All ICO funds transferred to Sebastin - SebastianJu already have almost the same amount that the first phase, in a few days he will have more than the first phase.
3. Marketing - They have a lot of coverage in the news (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15976552#msg15976552), promotional images (banners, wallpaper, etc), twitter updates, slack, wasserman is here 24/7.
4. Github - They just make the account, the code will be available like in the 90% of the ICO when ready (after the ICO of course).
5. Developer interaction - The developer develop and the marketing guy do marketing. Wasserman is the guy behind the marketing in Opair and he is available almost 24/7 here, by email or in the slack. But even, Frank made a statement here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15751535#msg15751535)


CoinManiac1, I dont have anything against you, continue with your work.

1. Radio interview - How it is same? Please explain
2. We should have all the ICO funds. Not 2nd phase but all phase
3. Marketing - These are all paid press releases. Anyone can do it. Show me any MSM article without the caption "Press Release"
4. Github - What proof do you have they are working. Hao call himselfs a blockchain developer, yet no commits by him in the github
5. Developer interaction - This is the most important part of any ICO. Look at Stratis, Waves, Lisk. They had interaction and interviews during the ICO's.

Frank statement does not mean anything. It could be a hacked account or best they dont exist.

[BasementRot]

It looks like Wasserman has about 15 btc that he hasn't forwarded to escrow yet. We need to keep an eye on the addresses as the ICO nears the end. There is pretty good chance he is going to do something shady. (if he isn't already.. since there isn't 1 fixed deposit address he could easily be skimming)

https://www.opair.co/stats/
https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9
https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=3JCsw5ZxyqdZqXTZa42225LakRdqgJqQck

[kooke]

@BasementRot you are wrong again 
They received like a 9-10 btc after forwarded the last batch yesterday to the escrow. And here (https://www.opair.co/stats/) the total amount said 135.72 btc because it takes into consideration the bonus. About the last question, i dont know, ask it to them.

[BasementRot]

@BasementRot you are wrong again 
They received like a 9-10 btc after forwarded the last batch yesterday to the escrow. And here (https://www.opair.co/stats/) the total amount said 135.72 btc because it takes into consideration the bonus. About the last question, i dont know, ask it to them.

62 was raised before escrow right

62 + 37 = 99

Total invested: 135.72608594 BTC     -   Total bonuses: 18.51705727 BTC  = ~ 117.2

117.2 - 99 = 18.2

[kooke]

@BasementRot thanks for researching, but you are wrong:

69-70 was raised before they start to work with SebastianJu. I was reviewing the investments and your confusion comes because there was a final investment of 7.5 btc that do not go to the escrow.

This is the first transaction that they sent to SebastianJu: https://blockchain.info/es/tx/1d72b5d7de1a3359e6ba4c2d9480f76c63b6b8f03f40337bffa39a5cf6a7e18b with only 0.50 btc, so they include the last two investments: https://blockchain.info/es/tx/fb50a60dade29ded1e9d9ee547f63f9194ebee92fd53034060c466a9fa32d025 - https://blockchain.info/es/tx/735a74ec06a0c4970bdd7ba1ae8bc38d7e59f5e109746f1b76d5fe6db43cac9e

So 70 was raised before escrow.

70 + 37: 107

Total invested 116 (https://blockchain.info/address/1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9).

So they have to sent 9 btc approximately to the escrow. Which its explained in my previous message.

I think i did the math correctly haha

Edit:

About the last 7.5 btc, look:

They made the agreement at August 02, 2016, 06:26:11 PM and this investment was made at: 2016-08-01 21:21:20 as you can see here: https://www.opair.co/stats/ This is why i love this project.

[CoinManiac1]

@Kooke

Provide us the bitcoin address where all the coins are stored

Wasserman address received    116.14532724 BTC received, remaining 62.3366233 BTC

https://blockchain.info/address/1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9

SebastinJu address received         37.23715693 BTC  received

https://blockchain.info/address/3JCsw5ZxyqdZqXTZa42225LakRdqgJqQck

Add both these 99.57 BTC

Where is the remaining ? 16.57 BTC

Found addresses. Dont know who own these. Searching for more. Will update

https://blockchain.info/address/1GWQiqK1G3Kxwph5rU9QmC5JW7haVN7dJd         0.6190129 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1C8iNNi9y3gzz26qFAXXjbaGTTq4ZTEvax               2.47170498 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1GA4DTbCZ2Y3tA6CSs9UMNVhiD2bqV49md           1.3278757 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/16q8AbmJCwJxZTGwqk2aZoNziLDEKDj1kC             2.5997757 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1MVkpA2TdXRUjnSD3AX5hx9uJrTu3GnU4E             0.4 BTC received (now zero)
https://blockchain.info/address/1mbYYGmUq388TzC6irppbZ6hniZFzRXVw               1.0380757 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1LtZGq7psxkkD7qV8YvuoEFc4KMBEfdsiL                 2.07996051 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/167cu1CwLmxgRM18GVu3eEGBpuzon1Ab46             0.26446276 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1FVbuT2LT8tVfWBZEAsumQYbPEfopukxr3               0.677872 BTC (now zero)
https://blockchain.info/address/1Ghm4ZvQJpBXg4k8fDDyxEiG67H8imyFUa             3.71124136 BTC (now zero)

[BasementRot]

He probably owns them. Some clients create a new address for the change from a transaction. There was a 7.5 btc investment right before escrow started so it does add up to more than 62.


Its still a shame that all of those people invested in a coin that has a fake dev team. 

We can't even warn people because its a self moderated thread. I feel like those shouldn't be allowed for ICOs.

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1, let me explain what i know. Read this:

We were already forwarded the BTC raised today to the escrow. To avoid any confusion, I want to clarify that our wallet created two outputs in the transaction. But, as you may know, all funds remain in our wallet. I leave here the information: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9007/why-are-there-two-transaction-outputs-when-sending-to-one-address

Regards

and this:

Hi,

23.77 btc on the escrow address https://blockchain.info/address/3JCsw5ZxyqdZqXTZa42225LakRdqgJqQck and the other btc still in our wallet, but our online wallet when we sent the coins to the escrow address they generate two outputs and sent some btc to new generated address inside our wallet, look this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/08449f9ec6abbac5fc5c0df12095bda831e60c32d183716c64e5cd850fe3676b, we sent 4.67 btc to the escrow address and the wallet sent 2.07 btc to a new generated address.

I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that.

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, let me explain what i know. Read this:

We were already forwarded the BTC raised today to the escrow. To avoid any confusion, I want to clarify that our wallet created two outputs in the transaction. But, as you may know, all funds remain in our wallet. I leave here the information: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9007/why-are-there-two-transaction-outputs-when-sending-to-one-address

Regards

and this:

Hi,

23.77 btc on the escrow address https://blockchain.info/address/3JCsw5ZxyqdZqXTZa42225LakRdqgJqQck and the other btc still in our wallet, but our online wallet when we sent the coins to the escrow address they generate two outputs and sent some btc to new generated address inside our wallet, look this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/08449f9ec6abbac5fc5c0df12095bda831e60c32d183716c64e5cd850fe3676b, we sent 4.67 btc to the escrow address and the wallet sent 2.07 btc to a new generated address.

I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that.

Tell him to transfer the remaining 16 BTC to sebasticju which will clear everything

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

[BasementRot]

If he really wanted people to have faith in his project he would transfer all of the money to escrow. SebastionJu would probably handle that portion without a fee just to make everything better for everyone.

But that shits not going to happen and we know why.

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right

[wasserman99]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs.

Regards

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs.

Regards

Kooke said you received 69 BTC in first phase, but your wallet final balance is 62 BTC. Why is that?

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1 nooo! please open your eyes and read carefully.  

We were already forwarded the BTC raised today to the escrow. To avoid any confusion, I want to clarify that our wallet created two outputs in the transaction. But, as you may know, all funds remain in our wallet. I leave here the information: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9007/why-are-there-two-transaction-outputs-when-sending-to-one-address

Regards

and this:

Hi,

23.77 btc on the escrow address https://blockchain.info/address/3JCsw5ZxyqdZqXTZa42225LakRdqgJqQck and the other btc still in our wallet, but our online wallet when we sent the coins to the escrow address they generate two outputs and sent some btc to new generated address inside our wallet, look this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/08449f9ec6abbac5fc5c0df12095bda831e60c32d183716c64e5cd850fe3676b, we sent 4.67 btc to the escrow address and the wallet sent 2.07 btc to a new generated address.

I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that.

[wasserman99]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs.

Regards

Kooke said you received 69 BTC in first phase, but your wallet final balance is 62 BTC. Why is that?

Yes we have the coins in our wallet but sometimes when we make a transaction they generate two outputs and sent some btc to new generated address inside our wallet, look this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/08449f9ec6abbac5fc5c0df12095bda831e60c32d183716c64e5cd850fe3676b, we sent 4.67 btc to the escrow address and the wallet sent 2.07 btc to a new generated address.

Info: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9007/why-are-there-two-transaction-outputs-when-sending-to-one-address

Regards

PS: If the community want we can give access to SebastianJu to our wallet so he will be able to confirm this, but this is something really normal.

[BasementRot]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right

He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet.

If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change (.5) but at a different internal address, one that your wallet made for you automatically.

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.

Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it

Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right

He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet.

If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change just at a different internal address it makes on the fly.

Ohk. I never had any such issue. May got confused.

[violet.project]

...
Me making an observation/comparison between two entities on certain fundamentals isn't fraud mainly because I receive no financial gains for my opinions .. You on the other hand making claims that an entity is fake without proof that could hold up in court ~ that is a mild form of fraud.

Yes, wasserman could/would/should ..

I will try to buy it from you at the end of the month if you still have it and want to get rid of it so you can be gone from here as well ..

lol I think you misunderstood. I don't think your comparison is fraud.

Running an ICO with a fake dev team is fraud. It is literally fraud.

Well time will tell if OPAIR ICO is scam or not. Most of the Coins these days are scam and the best way to scam is at the ICO.
OPAIR has also signature campaign and is quite popular ICO among the BTK Members

I feel there is really the need for the project to  push through since investors has already send btc.
but opair team should show good faith. They could have get more btc support if they just provide details of who they are. This is just what opair team can give to end all these series of scam accusation.

wasserman, cant you 3 just make video. just say "hi im hao wang, i support opair" as simple as that, followed by frank and you
then all problem solved

[YIz]

...
Me making an observation/comparison between two entities on certain fundamentals isn't fraud mainly because I receive no financial gains for my opinions .. You on the other hand making claims that an entity is fake without proof that could hold up in court ~ that is a mild form of fraud.

Yes, wasserman could/would/should ..

I will try to buy it from you at the end of the month if you still have it and want to get rid of it so you can be gone from here as well ..

lol I think you misunderstood. I don't think your comparison is fraud.

Running an ICO with a fake dev team is fraud. It is literally fraud.

Well time will tell if OPAIR ICO is scam or not. Most of the Coins these days are scam and the best way to scam is at the ICO.
OPAIR has also signature campaign and is quite popular ICO among the BTK Members

I feel there is really the need for the project to  push through since investors has already send btc.
but opair team should show good faith. They could have get more btc support if they just provide details of who they are. This is just what opair team can give to end all these series of scam accusation.

wasserman, cant you 3 just make video. just say "hi im hao wang, i support opair" as simple as that, followed by frank and you
then all problem solved

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

[BasementRot]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

It would, even most of mine. It would also probably increase the money raised by the ICO by a shitload.

But they won't do it and their reason why is privacy. But we already know their supposed full names, employers and what they look like.

That is exactly how we know that Opair is a scam.

[violet.project]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

[YIz]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

I never opened a thread about oracle, not sure what you are talking about.

[iudica]

wasserman deleted this post in the moderated thread. After he was too greedy to invest money in legal support of his ICO, looks like he want to ignore mistakes.

I've invested 1 btc and I would like my btc back, but what I can do? Anyone here want to buy my opair account?

This point was made clear in our rules: "-   Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable."

This is not true. As Opair is a German or at least European Project the German/European law allows private person to cancel online treaties under specific circumstances (like here). The rules of wasserman can't break the law.

If you really want a refund, ask officially for it now. If there would be later something public (gGmbH for example) you can get your BTC + interest rate back.

[/quote]

[altcoinrich]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0

[CoinManiac1]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0

That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods.

[altcoinrich]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0

That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods.

Can you access the thread? I can't and will the investigation be useful? I don't think so. No results of larger scams(over 1k btc).

[CoinManiac1]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0

That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods.

Can you access the thread? I can't and will the investigation be useful? I don't think so. No results of larger scams(over 1k btc).

Yup, I can access the thread. Will update here, if I see some update from the mods

[altcoinrich]

Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.

did you delete your thread? about oracle?

Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0

That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods.

Can you access the thread? I can't and will the investigation be useful? I don't think so. No results of larger scams(over 1k btc).

Yup, I can access the thread. Will update here, if I see some update from the mods

LOL, do mods say sth there? Maybe my member rank is too low? Senior or above can access it.

[iudica]

Someone asked me how to get his money back from opair, according to this post

wasserman deleted this post in the moderated thread. After he was too greedy to invest money in legal support of his ICO, looks like he want to ignore mistakes.

I've invested 1 btc and I would like my btc back, but what I can do? Anyone here want to buy my opair account?

This point was made clear in our rules: "-   Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable."

This is not true. As Opair is a German or at least European Project the German/European law allows private person to cancel online treaties under specific circumstances (like here). The rules of wasserman can't break the law.

If you really want a refund, ask officially for it now. If there would be later something public (gGmbH for example) you can get your BTC + interest rate back.

It is very simple, but the chances are not very high because the ICO is very shady: Ask in the official thread about refund. Tell that you want to use your "Widerrufsrecht". This will work for each private person in Germany and Europe. Till now, the Company of Wassermann, "Frank" and "Hao" is offically located in Berlin, as "Frank" is the CEO. So German law will be valid.

If wasserman continues to delete unpleasant postings (like that above), repost them here for proofing your demand for later.

This right to cancel the participation of the ICO is not limited, because of the unproper implementation of the ICO. But of course as earlier you do it, as higher are your chances, that you get your money back AND interest rates starts from this time.

Good luck guys! If wasserman refuse your legit wishes, he will never have a chance to found a official/public company. Because he/it will be sued to death immediately and on top he will pay 30-50% taxes on top from his own pocket.

So he has just two opportunities, pay you back now or confirming, that the project failed.

[pradalady]

He is a fucking shady person, I intended to invest some bitcoins for identity proofs but he deleted my post.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

I have many btc to invest in a big project, but I need your 2 devs show up in public for example a video.

 (I can't post an image due to non-member above rank, you can copy the link or quote to see my bittrex wallet)

I wear Prada and I have money, but I need more real proofs of identities if you wanna get my involvement. Be quick, the ICO only left a few days.  

And he PMed me: I know that you are the same troll over and over again. Again an account created the August 9th with two words in your name.  

Bye bye scammer, I won't invest you even 0.001 btc. You call me troll and deleted non-troll post.

[CoinManiac1]

Someone asked me how to get his money back from opair, according to this post

wasserman deleted this post in the moderated thread. After he was too greedy to invest money in legal support of his ICO, looks like he want to ignore mistakes.

I've invested 1 btc and I would like my btc back, but what I can do? Anyone here want to buy my opair account?

This point was made clear in our rules: "-   Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable."

This is not true. As Opair is a German or at least European Project the German/European law allows private person to cancel online treaties under specific circumstances (like here). The rules of wasserman can't break the law.

If you really want a refund, ask officially for it now. If there would be later something public (gGmbH for example) you can get your BTC + interest rate back.

It is very simple, but the chances are not very high because the ICO is very shady: Ask in the official thread about refund. Tell that you want to use your "Widerrufsrecht". This will work for each private person in Germany and Europe. Till now, the Company of Wassermann, "Frank" and "Hao" is offically located in Berlin, as "Frank" is the CEO. So German law will be valid.

If wasserman continues to delete unpleasant postings (like that above), repost them here for proofing your demand for later.

This right to cancel the participation of the ICO is not limited, because of the unproper implementation of the ICO. But of course as earlier you do it, as higher are your chances, that you get your money back AND interest rates starts from this time.

Good luck guys! If wasserman refuse your legit wishes, he will never have a chance to found a official/public company. Because he/it will be sued to death immediately and on top he will pay 30-50% taxes on top from his own pocket.

So he has just two opportunities, pay you back now or confirming, that the project failed.

Reposted in the main thread. I will know he wil delete it. But people must know their rights

[BasementRot]

I doubt wassermann is actually in germany. He wouldn't be running a scam AND give us any ability to track him down. Would he?

But I guess a lot of the stage 2 escrow money is in germany isn't it? If someone from stage 1 sued this fake company would a judge order stage 2 funds to be divided up?

[chousbwxx]

Someone asked me how to get his money back from opair, according to this post

wasserman deleted this post in the moderated thread. After he was too greedy to invest money in legal support of his ICO, looks like he want to ignore mistakes.

I've invested 1 btc and I would like my btc back, but what I can do? Anyone here want to buy my opair account?

This point was made clear in our rules: "-   Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable."

This is not true. As Opair is a German or at least European Project the German/European law allows private person to cancel online treaties under specific circumstances (like here). The rules of wasserman can't break the law.

If you really want a refund, ask officially for it now. If there would be later something public (gGmbH for example) you can get your BTC + interest rate back.

It is very simple, but the chances are not very high because the ICO is very shady: Ask in the official thread about refund. Tell that you want to use your "Widerrufsrecht". This will work for each private person in Germany and Europe. Till now, the Company of Wassermann, "Frank" and "Hao" is offically located in Berlin, as "Frank" is the CEO. So German law will be valid.

If wasserman continues to delete unpleasant postings (like that above), repost them here for proofing your demand for later.

This right to cancel the participation of the ICO is not limited, because of the unproper implementation of the ICO. But of course as earlier you do it, as higher are your chances, that you get your money back AND interest rates starts from this time.

Good luck guys! If wasserman refuse your legit wishes, he will never have a chance to found a official/public company. Because he/it will be sued to death immediately and on top he will pay 30-50% taxes on top from his own pocket.

So he has just two opportunities, pay you back now or confirming, that the project failed.

From Hao Wang's LinkedIn profile, we can know that he was studying in USA, I don't think he is in Germany now. Why he moved to Germany?

[btvGainer]

I doubt wassermann is actually in germany. He wouldn't be running a scam AND give us any ability to track him down. Would he?

But I guess a lot of the stage 2 escrow money is in germany isn't it? If someone from stage 1 sued this fake company would a judge order stage 2 funds to be divided up?

I see they are running a signature campaign here without escrow.This is really sad that such campaigns are allowed here

[iudica]

From Hao Wang's LinkedIn profile, we can know that he was studying in USA, I don't think he is in Germany now. Why he moved to Germany?

Do you still believe, that a Hao Wang exist? 

I doubt wassermann is actually in germany. He wouldn't be running a scam AND give us any ability to track him down. Would he?

There are some hints, but no proofs. But it doesn't matter. As he told, that the CEO is located in Berlin, he must face, that he chose the residence of his/their company. Even if it isn't true, he must offer the same or better rights to his participants, who trust in this.

[BasementRot]

@btvGainer you are wrong. They are working with SebastianJu who will release the funds by parts. Would be good if one of the milestones to release the funds be pay first the signature campaign. I will send a message to wasserman asking this.

Kooke,
What is your relationship to wasserman?

[wavespump]

@btvGainer you are wrong. They are working with SebastianJu who will release the funds by parts. Would be good if one of the milestones to release the funds be pay first the signature campaign. I will send a message to wasserman asking this.

Kooke,
What is your relationship to wasserman?

The funny is that kooke claimed some accounts are shills, but the real truth I read here is: kooke is wasserman's shill.     Or is his alt.

[iudica]

   Or is his alt.

The accounts

• wasserman99
• frankopair
• opairfrank
• kooke
• tomsmith26
• Isildur (official)
• Dank Frank

have some strange connection.

newbies I didn't count here and the list is not complete.

Maybe investing less in buying account will leave some time and money for an hangout interview?

[pradalady]

   Or is his alt.

The accounts

• wasserman99
• frankopair
• opairfrank
• kooke
• tomsmith26
• Isildur (official)
• Dank Frank

have some strange connection.

newbies I didn't count here and the list is not complete.

Maybe investing less in buying account will leave some time and money for an hangout interview?

How can he do that? He refused that at least 10 times, and deleted my request, I will invest at least 10 btc if he shows 2 devs are real.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg16033518#msg16033518

[kooke]

@pradalady hahaha another troll, you are part of this list 

Everyone, please read my last post ..it's pretty clear what's going on here.

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users (there are more):

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions.

Even they use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and now, prada-lady. So go to another place with your accounts.

Anyone really think these people are disconnected between them ? It is so clear.

[pradalady]

@pradalady hahaha another troll, you are part of this list  

Everyone, please read my last post ..it's pretty clear what's going on here.

@findscam Your are a joke men. This is so obvious. Another newbie account that was created in the first days of August (as the others). Much coincidence haha. Please delete this troll comments and all their multiple accounts.

I continue with my research and I found another strange thing. All these accounts follow the same pattern. They write in the same hours (chinese, even most of them write on the china local board) and support Stratis (and attack Opair). My conclusion is that it is a Stratis investor fears that the launch of Opair damage his investment.

I deserve a bounty for this investigation haha  . Here you can see some of these users (there are more):

findscam
odgaard
altcoinlambo
hugelobster
scammerdie
christjesus911
trilingualme
futurebillions
loveversace
whenbuyhouse
likevirgins
icoprofit
wannaberich
daobadico
singaporedollar
emmarose
lovelybear

You are trapped, i demand an explanation for your actions.

Even they use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and now, prada-lady. So go to another place with your accounts.

Anyone really think these people are disconnected between them ? It is so clear.

Every account with 2 words in the forum are my accounts? GTFO    Koo-ke is also a 2 words in Japanese, wasser-man. Oh nice, you fucking retarded 2 words account trolls are my accounts.

Aha, actually I am your wasser-man's or koo-ke's account.  

[iudica]

Even they use the same structure, all of them use two words like: huge-lobster, scammer-die, future-billions, love-versace, find-scam, like-virgins, singapore-dollar, lovely-bear, ico-profit and now, prada-lady. So go to another place with your accounts.

Anyone really think these people are disconnected between them ? It is so clear.

Can't find me in this list and I am not fitting...

by the way

tom-smith

wasser-man

frank-opair

have the same structure and maybe 2000 other BCT-members.

Not really working...

And you forget your nonsense paste, here for you:

The Opair features are promising, his platform works smoothly, wasserman fix all the problems in seconds as you can see above, marketing campaign, news coverage, china coverage, they are offering an escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds by parts (milestones, etc), the signature campaign is running and managed by Lutpin.

Good health to opair!

[kooke]

@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.

Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.

Edit: Iudica, I cant believe that you support this scammer. You've lost all your credibility as lawyer.

[CoinManiac1]

@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.

Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.

Btw, you and wasserman have been active till October 2014 and then boom, active again in 2016 just before the ICO. What a coincidence.

[iudica]

@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.

Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.

If you can't answer seriously to my post, go and play in the moderated thread. Here you can't hide behind nonsense postings and buzzwords.



Good health to Opair and all this promise, fix in second blabla stuff too...

Edit: I don't see scam here. And if I must choose one it would be Opair. And happily, my credibility is not judged by sock puppets like you. Real BCT-Members see it quite different.

[kooke]

@CoinManiac1, because i invest here and want to support this project and attack to this trolls/scammers like pradalady and all his accounts. Are you supporting these scammers too?

[CoinManiac1]

@CoinManiac1, because i invest here and want to support this project and attack to this trolls/scammers like pradalady and all his accounts. Are you supporting these scammers too?

You called them scammers !!  Look who is talking 

[pradalady]

@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.

Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.

Edit: Iudica, I cant believe that you support this scammer. You've lost all your credibility as lawyer.

I scammed whom? I host an ICO to scam you? You start to hysteric shouting and screaming? You mean I am wasserman's alt and scam people by this Opair project?

Multi-account is allowed in the forum, it is not scamming with multi-account, and if that's scamming, you and wasserman, opairfrank, frankopair blablablabla are all scammers, if you call me a scammer.

[CoinManiac1]

Those of you who got my pm, we can try that.

[iudica]

wasserman is very afraid about facts, fud he leaves but such stuff he removes very fast:

You are telling me in private that you cant share your real id because then people might look to come after you guys if things go wrong. That opair is just part time ect.

If this is true, they will never be able to found a (g)GmbH or similar, because there shareholder and CEO are not anonymous anymore. The hole project is breaking on each corner 

[YIz]

@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.

Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.

Edit: Iudica, I cant believe that you support this scammer. You've lost all your credibility as lawyer.

Yeah sure, he lost his credibility as a lawyer because he doubts a project that cannot even prove his dev's identities. makes sense.

[BasementRot]

Its funny that Kooke ignores my question every time I ask about his affiliation with wasserman99.

If we would have asked at the beginning of Opair project he probably would have said he doesn't know him. But now he isn't sure what to say.

[YIz]

Its funny that Kooke ignores my question every time I ask about his affiliation with wasserman99.

If we would have asked at the beginning of Opair project he probably would have said he doesn't know him. But now he isn't sure what to say.

My guess is that he's one of his friends in real life, maybe someone he met online. Kooke is simply too dedicated to Opair, nobody simply wakes up one morning and decides to support a crypto project blindly. All of his recent messages are Opair-related. the other option could be that he invested in Opair and now wants to gather move investements towards the project, hoping it will succeed and he will be a rich man, but I doubt that, if someone invests in a project this much money, he is probably already a pretty wealthy guy who won't be spending his time defending a project.

His only proof of being unrelated to wasserman is that he actually invested bitcoins. but that doesn't mean a thing. it is exactly the same thing as sending yourself bitcoins, he's not risking anything.

[BasementRot]

Kooke is obviously in cahoots with wasserman or may even be wasserman himself. I keep asking but he won't answer me.

It is frustrating that so many new people are investing in Opair and don't realize these red flags even exist. They probably assume that people would be warning them in the opair thread and don't realize than when we try, wasserman deletes it.

[ridewithme]

It's extremely simple.


The dev wont show his face.

Look at Jewels and how the dev.

He has his face and name on the project.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545327.0


If the opair devs cant do that then it is a scam by default.

Anon devs wont get our money.

[BasementRot]

...
The dev wont show his face.
...

This is true.

Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense.

'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community.

This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english.

[vasdav]

I trust the developer

[BasementRot]

I trust the developer

What developer? You mean wasserman the marketing director?

Frank and Hao are the supposed developers and they won't talk to anyone. 'Frank' made one post from a brand new account and that is it. What kind of dev team would refuse to talk to the investors and community during the ICO?

[BasementRot]

(this was deleted from main thread and got me banned from it. Kooke called me paranoid when I said he was connected with Wasserman99)

@Kooke

To shut me up all they had to do was prove that Frank was real and not just a picture wasserman got off the internet. But you just can't do it!


You are affiliated with Wasserman. Anyone can see that by looking at the activity times of your accounts...

-You both stopped using this site in late October 2014.

-Wasserman came back from that long hiatus April 2016 and his first post was.. "Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something."

-Then you came back from that long hiatus on July 12, about a week before wasserman posted the Opair ICO announcement.

You have been an unconditional cheerleader and promoter of Opair no matter how shady it looks.

Do you really expect people to believe those timings are a coincidence?

[singaporedollar]

(this was deleted from main thread and got me banned from it. Kooke called me paranoid when I said he was connected with Wasserman99)

@Kooke

To shut me up all they had to do was prove that Frank was real and not just a picture wasserman got off the internet. But you just can't do it!


You are affiliated with Wasserman. Anyone can see that by looking at the activity times of your accounts...

-You both stopped using this site in late October 2014.

-Wasserman came back from that long hiatus April 2016 and his first post was.. "Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something."

-Then you came back from that long hiatus on July 12, about a week before wasserman posted the Opair ICO announcement.

You have been an unconditional cheerleader and promoter of Opair no matter how shady it looks.

Do you really expect people to believe those timings are a coincidence?

Kooke will never and ever answer your the question, he will copy-paste the olds detective thing and call every 2-word accounts are made to attack opair, lol.

[iudica]

Wasserman is doomed. He promised to make a coin software from scratch with a functional programming language. Does someone know such a coin? He chose OCAML. So he can't copy and paste just a wallet to get the money from Sebastian.

But in the same time he must stay anonymous, or approx. 50% of the ICO money is taxed away, investors could ask for money back, he could be sued from me for false accusing and a lot of other stuff.

So the developing of the coin will stall very fast and someone, who is a real community manager will make the same crypti/lisk take over and get all glory and money.

Do I feel pity about this, not too much...

[BasementRot]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

[kjadB]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

Don't forget NEM started as a joke, literally, it really started as a joke in reaction to a clone of NXT proposed by a bitter guy who missed the NXT ICO. Then after a couple of weeks BAM ... it became serious, and now it's a top 10 contender. Opair might have been started for all manner of reasons, and obviously for personal profit for the founders, whoever they really might be. My gut tells me Opair can swing either way, and if the founders think they can make some good money bootstrapping a legit coin they'll try and do that. Maybe they are three guys, or maybe one ... who can really prove anything. If Opair picked up some community support and momentum it could blossom into a NEM. Remember, NEM was started by a guy with zero tech skills, utopianfuture, but he attracted some real talent in the end to his project. He ended up being a scammer, but NEM still became a great coin.

[CoinManiac1]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

Don't forget NEM started as a joke, literally, it really started as a joke in reaction to a clone of NXT proposed by a bitter guy who missed the NXT ICO. Then after a couple of weeks BAM ... it became serious, and now it's a top 10 contender. Opair might have been started for all manner of reasons, and obviously for personal profit for the founders, whoever they really might be. My gut tells me Opair can swing either way, and if the founders think they can make some good money bootstrapping a legit coin they'll try and do that. Maybe they are three guys, or maybe one ... who can really prove anything. If Opair picked up some community support and momentum it could blossom into a NEM. Remember, NEM was started by a guy with zero tech skills, utopianfuture, but he attracted some real talent in the end to his project. He ended up being a scammer, but NEM still became a great coin.

That was the period of freebies and btw, atleast he was not making up so called developers. Atleast some of the forum members knew him.

OPAIR is totally different. Tel me why the hell is the developer afraid of conducting a interview or a radio show. Are they scared of some forum members will threatned him. The guy had already revealed himself through linkedin.

[electronicash]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

Don't forget NEM started as a joke, literally, it really started as a joke in reaction to a clone of NXT proposed by a bitter guy who missed the NXT ICO. Then after a couple of weeks BAM ... it became serious, and now it's a top 10 contender. Opair might have been started for all manner of reasons, and obviously for personal profit for the founders, whoever they really might be. My gut tells me Opair can swing either way, and if the founders think they can make some good money bootstrapping a legit coin they'll try and do that. Maybe they are three guys, or maybe one ... who can really prove anything. If Opair picked up some community support and momentum it could blossom into a NEM. Remember, NEM was started by a guy with zero tech skills, utopianfuture, but he attracted some real talent in the end to his project. He ended up being a scammer, but NEM still became a great coin.

Well they started as a scam and this ICO might just end up as a joke.
I wouldn't be surprise if he just disappear this time knowing he was busted for life.

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

Don't forget NEM started as a joke, literally, it really started as a joke in reaction to a clone of NXT proposed by a bitter guy who missed the NXT ICO. Then after a couple of weeks BAM ... it became serious, and now it's a top 10 contender. Opair might have been started for all manner of reasons, and obviously for personal profit for the founders, whoever they really might be. My gut tells me Opair can swing either way, and if the founders think they can make some good money bootstrapping a legit coin they'll try and do that. Maybe they are three guys, or maybe one ... who can really prove anything. If Opair picked up some community support and momentum it could blossom into a NEM. Remember, NEM was started by a guy with zero tech skills, utopianfuture, but he attracted some real talent in the end to his project. He ended up being a scammer, but NEM still became a great coin.

That was the period of freebies and btw, atleast he was not making up so called developers. Atleast some of the forum members knew him.

OPAIR is totally different. Tel me why the hell is the developer afraid of conducting a interview or a radio show. Are they scared of some forum members will threatned him. The guy had already revealed himself through linkedin.

I would totally understand him dodging interviews if he looks like the hunchback Quasimodo of notredam.
My theory is that he had done something in the past and if investors find out about him and those abominations lol, its going to be the end of it all.

[YIz]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

I'm not sure what's coming up. most of the bitcoins are currently in escrow so he got to deliver a product to unlock them, but we must make sure the prodcut is exactly what was promised.
By the way, wasserman said they have no problem showing their ID's to the right people. my suggestion is that Frank and the team will show their IDs to Poloniex or someone trusted in the forum, keep the actual pictures confidential, but tell the community that he indeed saw their IDs and maybe even faces. so we can make sure the team is real even if they don't want to be publicly revealed.

[ridewithme]

...
The dev wont show his face.
...

This is true.

Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense.

'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community.

This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english.

Everything I said was true and technically 'Frank" showed us a picture of someone's face. Look at my signature, this is the way of the future for ico's if you agree adopt my signature or wear one with your own spin. Let's get the community to wake up and realize what''s going on here. Its too much scamming and too much lying. We need to stand up for a change!

[danblize]

...
The dev wont show his face.
...

This is true.

Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense.

'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community.

This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english.

Everything I said was true and technically 'Frank" showed us a picture of someone's face. Look at my signature, this is the way of the future for ico's if you agree adopt my signature or wear one with your own spin. Let's get the community to wake up and realize what''s going on here. Its too much scamming and too much lying. We need to stand up for a change!

Yes, now more and more elabprate scams now, we won't invest a penny to them unless they show the id, faces, intervoes and so forth. Btw, some more clever scams hire actors to have videos, we should do more research on their backgrounds.

[ridewithme]

...
The dev wont show his face.
...

This is true.

Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense.

'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community.

This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english.

Everything I said was true and technically 'Frank" showed us a picture of someone's face. Look at my signature, this is the way of the future for ico's if you agree adopt my signature or wear one with your own spin. Let's get the community to wake up and realize what''s going on here. Its too much scamming and too much lying. We need to stand up for a change!

Yes, now more and more elabprate scams now, we won't invest a penny to them unless they show the id, faces, intervoes and so forth. Btw, some more clever scams hire actors to have videos, we should do more research on their backgrounds.

That's correct and a wise post. Scammers can hire actors and for that reason look to invest only in projects where the dev who is know, happens to have a strong history both through video and other means online so we can verify.

For example The Jewels dev has his moderator account on epvpers which dates back to 2005. He also posted on that account about the jewels ICO so we know he is that person on the epvpers forum. But still his account could be hacked on the forum right?? So we need to do further investigation.

He posted a video introduction of himself and the jewels project so we have this to go off of, but it could be a paid actor like you mentioned and a hacked account. So we need to make sure that's not the case. For a final piece of verification we need to check out  Chris's apex conquer videos online dating back a few years to see if they are the same person or voice and if they are a match then we know we dont have a scammer. And in jewels case all the math is clear and the due diligence has been done. Chris, jewels, apex conquer is not a scam and if you like to support real people and real innovation then you should invest in the jewels project.

Disclaimer- I have invested in jewels and am a little upset its not getting the attention it deserves.

[danblize]

...
The dev wont show his face.
...

This is true.

Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense.

'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community.

This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english.

Everything I said was true and technically 'Frank" showed us a picture of someone's face. Look at my signature, this is the way of the future for ico's if you agree adopt my signature or wear one with your own spin. Let's get the community to wake up and realize what''s going on here. Its too much scamming and too much lying. We need to stand up for a change!

Yes, now more and more elabprate scams now, we won't invest a penny to them unless they show the id, faces, intervoes and so forth. Btw, some more clever scams hire actors to have videos, we should do more research on their backgrounds.

That's correct and a wise post. Scammers can hire actors and for that reason look to invest only in projects where the dev who is know, happens to have a strong history both through video and other means online so we can verify.

For example The Jewels dev has his moderator account on epvpers which dates back to 2005. He also posted on that account about the jewels ICO so we know he is that person on the epvpers forum. But still his account could be hacked on the forum right?? So we need to do further investigation.

He posted a video introduction of himself and the jewels project so we have this to go off of, but it could be a paid actor like you mentioned and a hacked account. So we need to make sure that's not the case. For a final piece of verification we need to check out  Chris's apex conquer videos online dating back a few years to see if they are the same person or voice and if they are a match then we know we dont have a scammer. And in jewels case all the math is clear and the due diligence has been done. Chris, jewels, apex conquer is not a scam and if you like to support real people and real innovation then you should invest in the jewels project.

Disclaimer- I have invested in jewels and am a little upset its not getting the attention it deserves.

I have watched jewels for a little time, actually this project is legit, very legit, the dev showed his game, which can be hardly faked, cuz clever investors will find the fake game if the dev is scamming. So it means that the project is indeed existing.

[violet.project]

Wasserman is doomed. He promised to make a coin software from scratch with a functional programming language. Does someone know such a coin? He chose OCAML. So he can't copy and paste just a wallet to get the money from Sebastian.

But in the same time he must stay anonymous, or approx. 50% of the ICO money is taxed away, investors could ask for money back, he could be sued from me for false accusing and a lot of other stuff.

So the developing of the coin will stall very fast and someone, who is a real community manager will make the same crypti/lisk take over and get all glory and money.

Do I feel pity about this, not too much...

please clarify, did wasserman send ALL(phase 1 and phase 2) the ICO funds to sebastianJu ?

[BasementRot]

Wasserman is doomed. He promised to make a coin software from scratch with a functional programming language. Does someone know such a coin? He chose OCAML. So he can't copy and paste just a wallet to get the money from Sebastian.

But in the same time he must stay anonymous, or approx. 50% of the ICO money is taxed away, investors could ask for money back, he could be sued from me for false accusing and a lot of other stuff.

So the developing of the coin will stall very fast and someone, who is a real community manager will make the same crypti/lisk take over and get all glory and money.

Do I feel pity about this, not too much...

please clarify, did wasserman send ALL(phase 1 and phase 2) the ICO funds to sebastianJu ?

No, he sent phase 2 only. But he did send the btc collected on the final day of phase 2, instead of running off with it. Which means he has some sort of plan to get more money.

[singaporedollar]

Wasserman is doomed. He promised to make a coin software from scratch with a functional programming language. Does someone know such a coin? He chose OCAML. So he can't copy and paste just a wallet to get the money from Sebastian.

But in the same time he must stay anonymous, or approx. 50% of the ICO money is taxed away, investors could ask for money back, he could be sued from me for false accusing and a lot of other stuff.

So the developing of the coin will stall very fast and someone, who is a real community manager will make the same crypti/lisk take over and get all glory and money.

Do I feel pity about this, not too much...

please clarify, did wasserman send ALL(phase 1 and phase 2) the ICO funds to sebastianJu ?

No, he sent phase 2 only. But he did send the btc collected on the final day of phase 2, instead of running off with it. Which means he has some sort of plan to get more money.

Build a copy-paste wallet to get 2nd phase of 80+ btc, easy. If they can release the wallet from scratch, it may be legit. While the github still nothing

[kjadB]

Who knows what his plans are. He sent the last day escrow money so he has some kind of plan.

Any idea what he could try to do?

Try to deliver something to unlock the funds?

Is some kind of blockchain attack possible? Maybe give yourself a ton of free coins and dump them on the exchanges?

Don't forget NEM started as a joke, literally, it really started as a joke in reaction to a clone of NXT proposed by a bitter guy who missed the NXT ICO. Then after a couple of weeks BAM ... it became serious, and now it's a top 10 contender. Opair might have been started for all manner of reasons, and obviously for personal profit for the founders, whoever they really might be. My gut tells me Opair can swing either way, and if the founders think they can make some good money bootstrapping a legit coin they'll try and do that. Maybe they are three guys, or maybe one ... who can really prove anything. If Opair picked up some community support and momentum it could blossom into a NEM. Remember, NEM was started by a guy with zero tech skills, utopianfuture, but he attracted some real talent in the end to his project. He ended up being a scammer, but NEM still became a great coin.

That was the period of freebies and btw, atleast he was not making up so called developers. Atleast some of the forum members knew him.

OPAIR is totally different. Tel me why the hell is the developer afraid of conducting a interview or a radio show. Are they scared of some forum members will threatned him. The guy had already revealed himself through linkedin.

I'm just saying it's best to keep an open mind around here, this could pivot into something unexpected

[electronicash]

Or maybe just expect to be scammed. Theres nothing in that github but space.

Wasserman is doomed. He promised to make a coin software from scratch with a functional programming language. Does someone know such a coin? He chose OCAML. So he can't copy and paste just a wallet to get the money from Sebastian.

But in the same time he must stay anonymous, or approx. 50% of the ICO money is taxed away, investors could ask for money back, he could be sued from me for false accusing and a lot of other stuff.

So the developing of the coin will stall very fast and someone, who is a real community manager will make the same crypti/lisk take over and get all glory and money.

Do I feel pity about this, not too much...

please clarify, did wasserman send ALL(phase 1 and phase 2) the ICO funds to sebastianJu ?

No, he sent phase 2 only. But he did send the btc collected on the final day of phase 2, instead of running off with it. Which means he has some sort of plan to get more money.

Build a copy-paste wallet to get 2nd phase of 80+ btc, easy. If they can release the wallet from scratch, it may be legit. While the github still nothing

So he still can get the bitcoins even without sebastians authorization?
If so then that's just fuck lol he still can get away and easy money for the scammer.

[BasementRot]

I don't think Sebastian will hand over the stage 2 funds just for a copy paste wallet but who knows what wasserman expects?

It is possible that Wasserman and maybe Kooke are programmers and wanted to make a real coin. Maybe they thought they would get more ICO money by faking an older, experienced German programmer as the lead dev instead of showing who they really are.

[sweet bird]

Unfortunately it looks like a scam as there is no real information…
Thank you for bringing this thread to my attention…

[ridewithme]

Unfortunately it looks like a scam as there is no real information…
Thank you for bringing this thread to my attention…

Is Sebastian part of the scam?

[electronicash]

Unfortunately it looks like a scam as there is no real information…
Thank you for bringing this thread to my attention…

Is Sebastian part of the scam?

he actually saved lots of users who tried investing top this scam so funds can be refunded with his help. Those funds sent to wasserman during the first phase are gone. there is no way for it to be refunded unless wasserman would be kind enough to send it back which is almost impossible to happen. i doubt he will. I still think he is Armando Farpa.

[BigWait]

I don't think Sebastian will hand over the stage 2 funds just for a copy paste wallet but who knows what wasserman expects?

It is possible that Wasserman and maybe Kooke are programmers and wanted to make a real coin. Maybe they thought they would get more ICO money by faking an older, experienced German programmer as the lead dev instead of showing who they really are.

maybe Sebastian will paid the btc for copy wallet .

[BasementRot]

Looks like wasserman is asking for all the stage 2 escrow to be released already but SebastianJu isn't comfortable with that (for obvious reasons). Sebastian made a post showing his conversation with wasserman. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16105634#msg16105634

I think SebastianJu is giving stage 2 investors the chance for a refund? If anyone takes it, I suggest you tip SebastianJu for doing the right thing (he doesn't earn a commission for refunding an ICO).

The moment wasserman handed over the last day ICO funds (12btc or so?) instead of running, I knew he was going to try something like this...

[hollandvan]

Looks like wasserman is asking for all the stage 2 escrow to be released already but SebastianJu isn't comfortable with that (for obvious reasons). Sebastian made a post showing his conversation with wasserman. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16105634#msg16105634

I think SebastianJu is giving stage 2 investors the chance for a refund? If anyone takes it, I suggest you tip SebastianJu for doing the right thing (he doesn't earn a commission for refunding an ICO).

The moment wasserman handed over the last day ICO funds (12btc or so?) instead of running, I knew he was going to try something like this...

Let us prepare popcorn to watch, IMO the people who got refund can tip him because he protects the investors, on the other hand, wasserman should prove his innocence with OCaml wallet or 2 devs' interview.

[YIz]

Looks like wasserman is asking for all the stage 2 escrow to be released already but SebastianJu isn't comfortable with that (for obvious reasons). Sebastian made a post showing his conversation with wasserman. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16105634#msg16105634

I think SebastianJu is giving stage 2 investors the chance for a refund? If anyone takes it, I suggest you tip SebastianJu for doing the right thing (he doesn't earn a commission for refunding an ICO).

The moment wasserman handed over the last day ICO funds (12btc or so?) instead of running, I knew he was going to try something like this...

Let us prepare popcorn to watch, IMO the people who got refund can tip him because he protects the investors, on the other hand, wasserman should prove his innocence with OCaml wallet or 2 devs' interview.

I'm glad SebastianJu did the right thing and didn't just give wasserman the funds right away. He's known as the #1 escrow on the forum for a reason.
I really don't see why they would need all the funds to be released at once. they already have about 50 BTC after paying all bounties, without even touching the funds in escrow.

[kellendil]

Looks like wasserman is asking for all the stage 2 escrow to be released already but SebastianJu isn't comfortable with that (for obvious reasons). Sebastian made a post showing his conversation with wasserman. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16105634#msg16105634

I think SebastianJu is giving stage 2 investors the chance for a refund? If anyone takes it, I suggest you tip SebastianJu for doing the right thing (he doesn't earn a commission for refunding an ICO).

The moment wasserman handed over the last day ICO funds (12btc or so?) instead of running, I knew he was going to try something like this...

Let us prepare popcorn to watch, IMO the people who got refund can tip him because he protects the investors, on the other hand, wasserman should prove his innocence with OCaml wallet or 2 devs' interview.

I'm glad SebastianJu did the right thing and didn't just give wasserman the funds right away. He's known as the #1 escrow on the forum for a reason.
I really don't see why they would need all the funds to be released at once. they already have about 50 BTC after paying all bounties, without even touching the funds in escrow.

İ think now everybody can see that wasserman is a scammer.

[violet.project]

backup from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16105634#msg16105634

Ok everyone, I had a longer conversation with wasserman99 and Iam not sure that I should release the coins just like this. The conversation with wasserman99 was so that I could not follow the plans he had in mind and why it would be needed to receive the coins so fast without being able to show something with the coins he already holds. On top more advertising even though the ICO was for collecting coins.

Well, in any case, I feel not like I should decide this on my own. The coins of the first part of the ICO are out of my reach so this is only about the second part of the ICO.

At the end I have to ask every investor to confirm his investment so that I can see that the coins flew to the escrow address. Every investor needs to decide if he wants to proceed the coins to wasserman99 or wanting a refund. Wasserman99 believes in the investors so that should be in his best interest.

In any case please send me the transaction ID and a proof that you sent the coin that were forwarded to the escrow address afterwards. The rules stated that you need to send the investment including your account id as satoshies or giving me a signature to see that you controlled the sending address. Screenshots of exchanges sending addresses are no safe proof so any such claims without proper proof have to wait so I can see if there is no real investor with proof for these coins. Tell me if you want it to be forwarded and I will do.

No, refunding is not in my interest because it takes alot of time to do so and I could get an easy big amount of escrow tip. Wasserman99 wanted to give me 5% of the escrowed amount, now it was the invested amount, which would be a pretty high amount of value for an ico. Though that's not the cautiousness an escrow should show. If you want a refund then maybe think about a tip and let me know.

In any case here is the conversation I had with wasserman99 so every investor can see what we spoke about.

Hi,

How are you?

We are near the end of our ICO. We must reach an agreement on the release of funds. What do you think about this?:

1)   Finish the ICO.
2)   In a few days we release the basic wallet (to make the inital distribution).
3)   As we raised much less than a half of our goal we need the 100% of the funds asap to work. You could send us 50% 7 days after we release the wallet as you set in your rules.
4)   But we need the other 50% too, with that amount we are going to pay the signature campaign-bounties-marketing campaign-legal fees. Maybe you send us another 25% after we pay the signature campaign and the other 25% when we release our first beta (with this amount, will take one month or two).

Let me know what you think and feel free to make suggestions. We keep this information private until we reach an agreement.

Regards

PS: Read this please:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15969215#msg15969215 and this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg16034913#msg16034913. I am pretty sure that this users, when we release the wallet, they will do everything possible so that you do not you release the first part of the funds.

This will not work at all this way. It is not imagineable how this amount of money need to be burned in a couple of days. The wallet is the minimum to release of course and the 60 bitcoin that are already in devs ownership can go a long way with developing something worthy to show so that the investors that are in doubt can see something that proves that things move in the right direction.

Besides that... I think I have 75 bitcoin in escrow. Which means 43k USD. How the heck do you plan on burning 25% on a signature campaign? And what campaign legal fees can be that high? And even more, why is advertising needed now? You have investments, next step would be to provide results.

Sorry but that explaination is not convincing at all at the moment. It sounds like burning money.

Greetings!
Sebastian

SebastianJu,

It seems ok but then what's the plan? We believe the plan we offered you is correct because we have little funds. We need to know how much money we have and when we will have it. It is not the same, for us, to work thinking that in a week you will release part of the funds, to not knowing when you're going to release the funds.

We only have 69 btc and we need to pay 7-8 as bounties, 10 bitcoins for the marketing campaing during the ICO (we are going to need a few more to do marketing post-ico), hire people and we are going to have legal fee because we want structure us to show more transparency. Take a look:

"Frank, our founder, proposed to create a gGmbH -it is similar to a tax-exempt LLC but in Germany- to manage the funds gathered at the ICO, which we think it will be a wise move and it will offer more transparency to our project and the security for to the XPO holders to know that we will not act irrationally or for our own profit. Therefore after discussing this matter and given that Frank lives in Germany we decided that the idea of creating a gGmbH or another type of organization will bring reassurance and confidence to our investors. "

As I said, we raise less than 200 btc, that its a lot less than 700 btc (our goal), so we must manage the funds in the best way possible and for that we should know how the funds will be released.

We trust you for the work, but we need to know the rules clear.

Let me know what you have in mind.

Regards

Hi,

A few more things:

1) "to show so that the investors that are in doubt" ?? these are not investor. As far, I know only two investors ask for a refund (the amount invested between them is 1 btc).

2) "And even more, why is advertising needed now?" I think it is our task to decide how to handle our project, not yours. We are going to manage the funds in the best way possible as we said in the last message.

3) Please, we need to make an agreement about this as soon as possible. At the moment, we will prepare the wallet to launch in the coming days (and made the initial distribution) but we can not do anything else until we know what is the plan.

Regards

Well... as far as I know nothing was shown yet. So you ask me to make a word about me releasing coins in escrow before you showed something? In any case I would need to see what the community says upfront since I'm in doubt the reasons you claimed about the needed coins and their amount make much sense.

Let me know if I miss something.

Hi,

"as far as I know nothing was shown yet." No, we ask you the first part after we release the qt wallet and after we make the initial distribution. I would offer two plans, let me know what you think:

A)
1)   Finish the ICO.
2)   In a few days we release the basic wallet (and make the inital distribution).
3)   You could send us 50% 7 days after we release the wallet as you set in your rules. You said that:

I release the needed part + cushion and you code on it until you need the remaining part.

4)   Give us 10 % (8-9 btc) extra after we pay the signatures.

5) Release the final amount (40%) after the beta.

I think that this is our best offer.


B) Another option if your fear is what might happen after (because as far i can see you dont trust in us) we could change the rules of escrow. I not think it's the best and do not want to but it would be a possibility, because we have to reach an agreement. So you can do this:

1) You give the possibility to any investor (of the second phase) that verify their investment and after that you make a refund, if they want.

2) You release 100% of the funds within 7 days of the wallet.


To start to make the distribution we need to reach an agreement before,

Please let me know,

Regards

PS: Please, I ask you to get aware and read all our thread and not just what those users say against us, who are a minority. As I said, there are not investors in that minority (less than 1 btc) and all the fud is managed by (...snip...) & the army of newbies account created the same day (august 8-9) by the same person.

Please come with clear descriptions about what you will develop with the coins you hold and the coins you want from me. It might sound like it is not my thing what you do with the coins but it is since I was trusted by the investors to not carelessly give their investment away.

Plan B means a too short timeframe to make every investor aware of the refund possibility. Though of course, since it is every investors choice, if one of these chose to decide that I should forward the coins then those coins can be forwarded instantly.

Hi,

The expenses are for:

1) Salaries. We are a team of three but we want to add one-two more.
2) Marketing pre -ico
3) Signature
4) Marketing pro -ico
5) Legal fee. Organize a structure.

Before spending more funds we need to have confirmation of our agreement. It is not the same organize a work plan, considering that we have 70 btc or 150 btc.  Even we can not make the disitribución, we do not know if we have the funds of the second phase or not. In case we do not reach an agreement, we will cancel the second phase investments and you must return those funds.

As you can understand, this agreement delayed the launch of our project. Therefore, we need to reach agreement as soon as possible. I think the plan b I offered you is the best under the circumstances. You say that time is very short, but we can set a period of 10-15 days (or more). We are confident that the majority of the investors trust in us.

Regards

PS: Please, we can talk on skype or Slack? To speak more fluid. Or at least answer me quickly. If you only send me two message per day, it will take more than a week to reach an agreement.

Well you know... 4 of the 5 points are for marketing something. Which does not exist yet and there is nothing to see that it will be created. It sounds like a project to earn money rather than creating something valueable.

At the end the best plan would be to make a PROPER plan about how many of the coins you want to spend on what thing, when you will release something so that a result can be seend and then present this plan to the community. Then investors can decide where to move the coins.

I will be honest, personally I would not invest if you would present me some plan like this you described me now.

Besides that. It is not imaginable that you would need more than 60 coins and that you can NOT show a result with this amount of coins. That you need to promote alot more for something that does not actually exist.

Hi,

Obviously we can work with bitcoins we have, but it is not the same as putting together a plan considering we have 60 bitcoins and within a week we get another 40, to consider that we have only 60 bitcoins and the remaining amount you will give us in a very distant future (or never), so we prefer before the start have an agreement with all the rules clear to know when you will release the funds. Example: we cant hire more people or consult with a legal firm with only 60 btc.

I think the plan b I offered you is the best under the circumstances. You say that time is very short, but we can set a period of 10-15 days (or more). We are confident that the majority of the investors will trust in us.

Why not this? We leave the decision in the hands of investors.

Since none of our proposals is of your interest, I ask that you be who elaborate the plan to releasing the funds.

Regards

PS: Again. Could you come to our slack or skype? To speak more fluently.

" 4 of the 5 points are for marketing something" not..only 3 of 5 (salaries and legal fee are not involved in marketing)..but these three only involve less than 20 bitcoins.

As far as I remember you mentioned in one of the first pm's that the legal fee is regarding the marketing. Besides that... legal consultation AFTER you collected all the coins?

So you say you need to burn 60 bitcoins in a week and you can not show something after that time? The time is very short and the amount of value very high. Would you personally agree to this?

We are not going to burn nothing. I just said that we need to know with how much funds we could count before to make a plan and start working.

I give to you a several possibilities but none of them will interested to you. So I ask that you make a plan. Again i think this is the best plan, so everyone could ask for refund:

B) Another option if your fear is what might happen after (because as far i can see you dont trust in us) we could change the rules of escrow. I not think it's the best and do not want to but it would be a possibility, because we have to reach an agreement. So you can do this:

1) You give the possibility to any investor (of the second phase) that verify their investment and after that you make a refund, if they want.

2) You release 100% of the funds within 7 days of the wallet.

I think the plan b I offered you is the best under the circumstances. You say that time is very short, but we can set a period of 10-15 days (or more). We are confident that the majority of the investors will trust in us.

I feel like you're taking advantage of the situation, it's a shame.

Regards

PS: again, why you dont want talk on skype or slack?

How can I take advantage from this? I hate it when I have to refund an ico occasionally because it is a lot of work and not rewarding. Especially when I could take an easy 4.2 bitcoin when I would release to you.

It sounds like you are at the end of your arguments now and I'm still not convinced. I will have to ask the community. Everyone wanting to send to you will let me know and I will send to you. The remaining coins... everyone not wanting to send is refunded... speed depends on the proof they can give and unclaimed funds will have to wait.

I would make a post then regarding this. If you trust in your investors the way you say then there should be no problem besides a waiting time.

Hi,

"It sounds like you are at the end of your arguments now" No, we offer several alternatives and none was to your liking. I dont know what more say. We need 50% of the funds 7 days after we release the wallet...Why do you think that's wrong?

How much do you consider proper release after seven days of the wallet? Maybe you can release some % (tell you how much its correct) and only the extra 7 btc to pay the signatures. All the remaining btc will release after our beta.

Let me know.


About your alternative:

Instead of making your post in the forum, it is the best that make in our Slack. In the slack are only our investors, however, in the forum there are investors and detractors.

I think the proposal should be the reverse of what you offer but as you have your coins, you have the power. That's why I said you take advantage of the situation. You do not listen us.

It makes no sense to do it the way you say. If you put it like that, you know no one will risk in sending the funds, the best/the most logical is that you offer a refund period and you know that.

We trust in you and accept that you release the funds in parts (to add extra security) from beginning but none of our alternatives satisfy you.

Regards

PS: About your salary, its the 5% of the funds raised and we raised 150 btc.

Hi,

Even, if you want, you can send the 7,35 btc (signature campaign) directly to Lutpin (manager), but please, we must reach an agreement as soon as possible. Our community is waiting.

If you want to know the opinions of our investors, I invite you to come to our Slack, so you can talk to them.
I understand that you are a busy person, but if you took the responsibility of be the escrow (and, even, you dont agree with our plan to release the funds) I ask you to have a more fluid conversation, so we can understand each other more quickly.

Until now, you only send 1-2 messages per day, its unfair.

Regards

I can't tell who is in the slack and the ico thread is on bitcointalk. So the best way to reach the investors is by making a post there. At the end you are right that it will be in the best interest of everyone to make this fast. Though releasing too fast is not an option. Because I can't trust your word that all negative voices are only small investors and detractors.

Ok SebasitanJu.

"At the end you are right that it will be in the best interest of everyone to make this fast. Though releasing too fast is not an option." You're right, we feel exactly the same.

So, there are two options to make the process:

1) Everyone wanting to send to you will let me know and I will send to you. The remaining coins... everyone not wanting to send is refunded... speed depends on the proof they can give and unclaimed funds will have to wait. // As we said before, this is totally unfair and by the way, will be a lot of investments unverifiable or unclaimed. What would you do with them?
2) You give the possibility to any investor (of the second phase) that verify their investment (during 10-15 days or more) and after that you make a refund, if they want. You release 100% of the funds within 7 days of the wallet. // With this option, all wishing to leave the project may do so.

I think the option 2 is the most fair. If you decide for the option 1 you are killing the project because with only 70 btc minus 7-8 btc from signature campaign, legal fees and marketing expenses is very low amount to do something.

Tell me how to proceed. We will do what you say then. My vote is for the option 2, tell me what you think.

Regards

PS:"Because I can't trust your word that all negative voices are only small investors and detractors." Please research by yourself...the only investor who complaint us are from the first phase (kellendil - basement), the others are not investor. In the slack there are a lot of investor who want see the coin be a succeed (only takes a few minutes).

I know Lutpin and he is a great guy though I have a responsibility against the investors. Those who believe in the project and those that are in fear now.

Slack won't bring much since you already told me everything you could. And surely you would agree that at this state it would not be possible to release the coins in full by overriding the individual will of the investors. If they believe in the project then you would have nothing to fear don't you think?

Again... you have nothing to show and you want to run a signature campaign. Why?

So you are sure that all real investors are fine with me releasing the coins. Then there is no reason at all to fear anything, don't you think?

now im believing in SebastianJu, he got my trust

i learn a lot from oracle and opair

Guys, I see alot of posts of accounts that want me to release the coins to wasserman99. Unfortunately the only persons I can trust to be real persons are investors that showed some sort of proof of their investment and wasserman99 as the dev. It seems there are other threads about OPAIR where the vibrations are completely the opposite and they can't post here. In any case this is nothing I could base a decision on and override other investors wishes based on accounts that are unverified investors.

So if you invested then please contact me with your wish to FORWARD the coins to wasserman99. Personally I would like to get an explaination why the coins from ICO phase 1 are only enough to pay for having a wallet in hands and running a sig campaign. There are much smaller ICO's that manage to do that without receiving any investment.

So far wasserman99 could not explain the usage of that kind of a lot of money so if I had contact with an experienced altcoin user on this forum before, who invested into this ICO now and I trust him then let me know and please let me know why these numbers match up.

[numb-f]

İ think now everybody can see that wasserman is a scammer.

Are you sure? wasserman99 has neutral trust so he isn't a scammer.

[anama]

İ think now everybody can see that wasserman is a scammer.

Are you sure? wasserman99 has neutral trust so he isn't a scammer.

maybe only one week or one month
after ico finish waserman not response about distribution coin ico investor buy
and not pay participan follow signature opair much trust negative can receive waserman

[baomoremoney]

İ think now everybody can see that wasserman is a scammer.

Are you sure? wasserman99 has neutral trust so he isn't a scammer.

The users with neutral trust are not meaning they are not scammers, mtgox, mintpal were very famous and honest site, while they turned out to be scams eventually.

[YIz]

Why does wasserman refuse to pay out the signature campaign from the phase 1 funds? he has a lot of money there. I think that the funds from the first phase should be completely drained before Sebastian releases any of the escrow bitcoins. and also, SJ MUST demand to see the project's current code before he releases any of the funds, there is absolutely no proof that wasserman and his alleged team have developed anything at all, not a single line of code yet, not even the promised "basic wallet".

Don't make wasserman's effort to release the funds without any proof of development worthwhile, and where are the devs? haven't seen an interview yet.

[kellendil]

Why does wasserman refuse to pay out the signature campaign from the phase 1 funds? he has a lot of money there. I think that the funds from the first phase should be completely drained before Sebastian releases any of the escrow bitcoins. and also, SJ MUST demand to see the project's current code before he releases any of the funds, there is absolutely no proof that wasserman and his alleged team have developed anything at all, not a single line of code yet, not even the promised "basic wallet".

Don't make wasserman's effort to release the funds without any proof of development worthwhile, and where are the devs? haven't seen an interview yet.

Becasue they dont exist you know it mate

[violet.project]

hope no more new victims

[alt2]

...it stands for Open and Fair which are the two key elements that we seek to fulfill:

Open Project: The code and our new language will be documented, open source and it will be found at Github.

Fair Distribution: We have been analyzing the last ICO´s and we realized that the distribution is not as fair as it should be...

Open and Fair! Wasserman has good sense of humour  

[chousbwxx]

...it stands for Open and Fair which are the two key elements that we seek to fulfill:

Open Project: The code and our new language will be documented, open source and it will be found at Github.

Fair Distribution: We have been analyzing the last ICO´s and we realized that the distribution is not as fair as it should be...

Open and Fair! Wasserman has good sense of humour  

Wasserman should be renamed as "contradict himself man", never open and fair

[YIz]

And he deletes comments again, he just deleted one of ludica's posts in the main thread. where is this going? why delete comments now? the ICO is already done so the "FUD" doesn't hurt him.

[XbladeX]

Yea this is rally fishy for me it looks like he wanted trick SJ to force payment 100% ICO in 7 days
and then vanish in dust.
Reason to not paying bounties its obvious grab as much he can not spend single one take max BTC before real job is done and go away with new ICO form sold BTT.  Wasserman acc was inactive for 2years till ICO what a coincidence guys.

Sad for 1st phase ICO guys who will be probably scammed by wasserman but that is reson i just go with escrow.

The best are wasserman claims 50% after basic wallet for 0.2 from any coin generator .... then after 7days other 50%.
As we see he never propose to developing stuff but just easy actions exchange listing bounties or release basic wallet.
Looks like they/he want go to next ICO asap anyway nice shot 65BTC for free if he could convince SJ he could took more but ups
he need deliver that sucks haha...

[BasementRot]

Obviously Frank and Hao still aren't real and Wasserman can't decide if he wants to run with the money he has or use it to hire some low cost dev to unlock more.

[dig4u]

Hi,

Take a look:

Debit cards were in our minds since day one, for it is one of the preferred payment methods of customers nowadays and we aim to mass market adoption, so this goal may not be too surprising. The idea is to eliminate all the intermediaries in the process in order to save time and money, and also the unwanted consequences that brings centralization (frozen accounts, delays, usage of our own private information, etc). Note that it will have disadvantages such as if you wish to create and load your own cards you will need to have a particular hardware. On the other hand, there will be lots of payment terminals/point of sale terminals that will receive a special update with a custom firmware made by us in order to accept our debit cards (this will happen with payment terminals/point of sale non- EMV compatibles). In most terminals compatible with EMV (for more information about EMV visit: http://www.emv-connection.com/emv-faq/ and https://www.level2kernel.com/emv-guide.html) will work without any problems but you can still use our firmware to have advantages like counting with Opair´s branding or offer high performance. Technical details will be available on our whitepaper.

Our final goal it is that any person can create their own debit card, anywhere, and a few moments later, carry it out and about without difficulties. We would like to be the firsts in launching this feature that we will be seeked and cherished in the near future and as we are an open source project we would like to share it to all the community as we understand this philosophy as a benefit that benefits the community as a whole. This will also allow growth, improvement and usage from other projects.

Regards

When will you pay the bounty, mother fucker?

[Vadi2323]

...Wasserman acc was inactive for 2years till ICO what a coincidence guys...

kooke (Wasserman's supporter) was inactive for 2 years till ICO too! What a coincidence!

[electronicash]

I was wondering why people still have invested to the ico even after users had express scam to the ico. I can't believe they haven't read all the emphasis and the colored text being on the threads created for the opair.  This guy is already known, someone should really act.

one way to bust this wasserman is to contact those account sellers who sold those accounts to him.

[BasementRot]

Send wasserman99 a message to vote against him getting the 9% opair coins that were suppose to be reserved for PoW. He's putting on some kind of BS vote trying to get more money

[YIz]

I was wondering why people still have invested to the ico even after users had express scam to the ico. I can't believe they haven't read all the emphasis and the colored text being on the threads created for the opair.  This guy is already known, someone should really act.

one way to bust this wasserman is to contact those account sellers who sold those accounts to him.

That would be too difficult. I don't think they are gonna identify. The easiest way in my opinion would be to track down the person who made the Opair video animation and voice acting. he can probably get recognized in communities over at reddit or similar places.

[iudica]

And he deletes comments again, he just deleted one of ludica's posts in the main thread. where is this going? why delete comments now? the ICO is already done so the "FUD" doesn't hurt him.

Mostly I am writing about some facts (tax issues, legal stuff or so). Means, that even if he don't want to scam, his coin will have difficulties to be successfull. This could influence the investors. Because if they react logical, they will see, that the coin has just a very small chance to be successfull.

Btw., why Sebastian has such a big hassle to find a solution. He make escrow, if there is/was no consens in the end, he can just send the money back to the investors. But it is not the job of Sebastian, to make/find this solution.

And wasserman must provide, that his solution is supported at least by 50% of all 2nd stage investors. He didn't set some other rules before. So more than 50% of all investors who take part on any poll isn't enough.

[casinobonusgiveaway]

Opair, so open and fair, or liar?

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

As we said previously to the release date we should reach a consensus with SJ. This is the final plan we both agreed:

1) Define the 9% PoW before Friday. // By far the most voted option at the moment is "b".
2) On Friday communicating the decision to SJ.
3) Release the qt wallet before September 19th.
4) On September 19th the refund period will ends and the remaining funds will be released.
5) Start the distribution.
6) List on exchanges.
7) Launch the beta during October.

The distribution of the coins can not start earlier because it would be totally unfair to investors in the first phase as SJ he said:

How about making a timeframe of two weeks from the day we have an agreement settled. This should be sufficient time for investors to check for the status of the coin and make a decision.

The problem is that if wasserman99 would release the coins now to ico 1 investors then I either would have to refund all ico 2 users or forward all coins of users that do want a refund. The latter is no real choice. The reason is that they could hedge against the price of the coin otherwise. Ask for a refund with the coin price drops or ask for the coins when they rise in value.

If wasserman99 sends coins before that timeframe to ico 1 then a refund to ico 2 has to happen to not make it possible to force a forwarding.
If coins are sent to ico 1 and 2 then still ico 2 bitcoins has to be refunded for the same reason.

We are in touch,

Regards

Hi,

The most voted option was b). Thus, we continue with that in mind for the wallet. So will be pure PoS with 3% Annual Interest. The qt wallet will be ready before the september 19th but the distribution will start after that date for reasons that can read above, agreed by the escrow.

Regards

So no OCaml wallet will be released? And you can get the whole fund so easily? I just pray for the ico investors.

[BasementRot]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

[XbladeX]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

[BasementRot]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money!  

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.


SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

[XbladeX]

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.
SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

not really it favor 2nd phase ICO people as risk free escrower guys can sell coins if price is high or ask refund if price is low,
this is not fair for 1st phase investors i agree with that that is why i want be out of that shit - the way how they run things is not building trust
i am sure that  people will dump 1st ICO coins asap is possible even is something done in ocaml a bit - confidence is gone.
Wasserman looks all time like he don't want deliver a shit.

PS: I had 0 response From frank about project so he have deep in ass investors...

in case of deleting it in main thread:

wasserman99 how long are you not going to notice issues for the payment of the signature bounty? Please answer why you don't answer on this question?

Maybe because in real he don't want do it if he want he would done it already.

His answer makes no sense at all "he need to know how much money he can get :Daut of ICO"...
Answer is simple ICO -7 BTC all time true what difference is that will be 65 BTC or 150 BTC,
-7BTC will be -7BTC all time period.

If you want run away then it would be 65BTC - 7BTC = 58BTC and there is a difference with running away with
65 or 58 BTC at end.

[electronicash]

You can play wassermans game. Hes done. You guys know this wil still end up unsucessful and those who wants this coinlaunch are those who invested where funds were included in the first ico phase. Of all people you guys should at least protect each other from scam.

[ERossin]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

I think the project which has many haters maybe it can be worth investing such as ETC or ETH ect,..
I will watch this game .

[cryptodv]

This project is getting a lot of bad publicity, but any publicity is good publicity, right 

[BasementRot]

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.
SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

not really it favor 2nd phase ICO people as risk free escrower guys can sell coins if price is high or ask refund if price is low,
this is not fair for 1st phase investors i agree with that that is why i want be out of that shit - the way how they run things is not building trust..

I'm the one who pointed that out in the first place...

I'm not saying that Sebastian would still offer 100% refund to stage 2 investors. I'm saying he could still hold funds from wasserman after stage 2 people are locked in. If wasserman failed to deliver, there are fair things Sebastian could do with the money in his possession.

[jamalaezaz]

Just quoting my post from Official thread to here because I don't think wasserman will let my post there and don't delete this:

I am one of the investor of ICO round one which was filled without any escrow. I've joined this because of its uniqueness, Good roadmap and whitepaper.


but now Let me say one thing wasserman!
You fucked up your own project by yourself, with your spammy behavior  and none sense delays in bounty payments..
I've completely lost my trust on this project now..
Honestly I still don't believe I'll get my coins and SebastianJu will help us(as round one was not escrowed). but If I get my coins I'll be the first and biggest dumper of Opair coins..

I am Warrning you.
if you do not want to be dumped so badly then refund me in BTC..

Archived: http://archive.is/0kX6l

thanks.

[burzuks6]

You guys think opair is legit?

[kellendil]

You guys think opair is legit?

no of course

[findscam]

Damn, I found some new proofs.

The biggest escrow scammer master-P, his trust page:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=89329

The scam accusation against master-P: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0

According to Theymos(BCTalk admin): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13460760#msg13460760

I think that master-P's account never changed ownership.

His password was changed four times:
2016-01-05 11:37:58
2015-12-17 13:55:10
2015-05-25 15:26:43
2014-10-19 04:07:48
No resets. All of the above changes were done by IPs which geolocate to the same general area. Also, his very first post and his very last post geolocate to the same general area. And for the last several months he's been using mainly the same IP.

Based on IP evidence, these users are possible (not certain) alts of master-p:
REAL-master-p
jeffersonairplane
kooke
MrBig
sifter
iflewtoday32
antonioserrano72
newflesh
AccTraderALT
ShameOnYou
berserkerbarrage
malaimult
protocol332
komodovpn
#yolo
IronMarvel
djshshajtm

Use this list as a starting point to see if you can find other links between them. Do not use my list as absolute proof. It is very common for two users to use the same IP at one point or another; 364 users have used the same IP as master-p, and the vast majority of them are not the same person.

Changing e-mail addresses on bitcointalk can only be done by verification of old address

Not true

ShameOnYou is a big scammer(bought account scammer):  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131712

His usecoin ico scam OP:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735355.0

After listed on bittrex, he has dumped pre-mine coin, I don't know how much he scammed, should be 50-200 btc.

Clustercoin is also a 2014 scam, their ico was hosted on bittrex, people found the proofs of scam, and bittrex cancelled the ico, and finally refunded investors:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.0

So the source is very possible like this: master-P's alts: kooke, ShameOnYou(bought account scammer)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754544.msg8513806#msg8513806

Usecoin and clustercoins are the same dev ................................... SCAM

My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

I will repost my research to SJ.

I will destroy this scam. Phase 2 guys please ask for refund.

[wasserman99]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustercoin scammer? 

[hypersire]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustuercoin scammer? 

My conclusion: You are spreading FUD and outright telling Phase 2 people to ask for a refund because you are greedy and want more coins for yourself.

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15955549#msg15955549

It is really surprising what is happening here. There are a couple of users who are accusing us with no arguments.

No arguments? You must be kidding. The multiple scam threads are listing plenty of arguments against

- you
- your lies
- your fake Frank & developer social media profiles
- your fake multiple bitcointalk profiles
- your coin development lie
- you defending "your right" of offering no proof
- your copy and paste answers
- your deletion of critical posts
- your "Fudders gona fud no matters what" cries
- your slogan "open and fair"
- your refuses why no interview are possible
- "it was everything clear from the beginning" excuses
- etc.  

This list can be continued with so many further bullet points.

You are writing posts from quite a lot profiles from the same IP address.

In fact there is a high positive correlation in the times of the posts from you wasserman99 and kooke!  

And just by checkin the absence times (2014 - 2016) from your profile and the one from kooke  ... I assume both of the profiles were bought. Bought accounts for doing some fishy things.  

And I also like one of your first posts.

Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something.

Please contact me directly via mp.

Bye!

The community/marketing manager was looking for a community/marketing manager in April 2016 for something he was working on!

No answers from Frank on Linkedin. It's a fake profile. Did he respond to the CEO of Lisk, who tried to contact him over his LinkedIn profile as one can see? No. There is no Frank in Berlin.
  
It is a one man show. And instead of putting any time into any development of your coin project you spend all of your energy on lies in order to blind further people.

Anyone who entered a mail address at the opair ICO should check if they have not entered a password he uses regularly. Because that could additionally harm.

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustuercoin scammer? 

My conclusion: You are spreading FUD and outright telling Phase 2 people to ask for a refund because you are greedy and want more coins for yourself.

You are crazy, I didn't invest money on this project. FUD? I opened zion scam accusation why you don't say I want to get more zion scam? You will regret, just keep believing those scammers

[BasementRot]

Kooke and Wasserman are easily linked together by looking at their post history dates. They both went inactive in late october 2014, then came back in 2016 for Opair. Wasserman came back when he started looking for a community manager and Kooke came back a week before Opair was publicly announced.

Those would have to be some pretty huge coincidences.. lol

Especially considering how much of an unconditional cheerleader Kooke has been for this project.


FYI I would be very happy to sell my ICO account at reasonable a loss.  (0.38 btc face value)

[LiskQH]

This damned swindler released a purse, and now deletes negative feedbacks in the branch of a forum. It is the copy which to it was made for 0,5 btc by school students. Damned swindlers. He will not receive cent.

[line5-1]

Expectations...






and Reality



 

[Vadi2323]

Expectations...






and Reality



 

I'm shocked   WTF?

[findscam]

Kooke and Wasserman are easily linked together by looking at their post history dates. They both went inactive in late october 2014, then came back in 2016 for Opair. Wasserman came back when he started looking for a community manager and Kooke came back a week before Opair was publicly announced.

Those would have to be some pretty huge coincidences.. lol

Especially considering how much of an unconditional cheerleader Kooke has been for this project.


FYI I would be very happy to sell my ICO account at reasonable a loss.  (0.38 btc face value)

The copy-paste is also buggy.    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16300504#msg16300504

[Dank Frank]

   Or is his alt.

The accounts

• wasserman99
• frankopair
• opairfrank
• kooke
• tomsmith26
• Isildur (official)
• Dank Frank

have some strange connection.

newbies I didn't count here and the list is not complete.

Maybe investing less in buying account will leave some time and money for an hangout interview?

Lol it isn't untill now I notice this post, dude if you want to investigate stuff, better learn how to first. 

[electronicash]

So the refund period effectively ends now with the time of this post. I have the details of the investors that do not want opair. So that I can give them to wasserman99.

I will send wasserman99 the list of users that wanted a refund. Then refund the remaining users that wanted a refund, then pay the signature campaign and wasserman99 asked for the remaining coins to be sent to an address. Have to search for it again. Or you might post it here again publicly wasserman99.

Hi,

SJ yes if we continue with the plan you need to:

1) Send us asap the list.
2) Pay directly to the escrow.
3) We are going to start the distribution after you do the point 1.
4) Release the remaining funds to 1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9...sorry, we dont understand this "(except the funds of users I know the opair user connection but not a refund address)?"

Regards

Bear in mind that when its sent to wasserman, its going to be with him and there is no way it can be returned unless this scammer will send it back which is unlikely to happen. I've already uncover this guys real name and posted in this thread as well. his name was also connected to real scam asking donations.

[iudica]

   Or is his alt.

The accounts

• wasserman99
• frankopair
• opairfrank
• kooke
• tomsmith26
• Isildur (official)
• Dank Frank

have some strange connection.

newbies I didn't count here and the list is not complete.

Maybe investing less in buying account will leave some time and money for an hangout interview?

Lol it isn't untill now I notice this post, dude if you want to investigate stuff, better learn how to first. 

About you and Isildur I was hesitating a lot. But I think kooke is clear now (and burnt and because of this silent), tomsmith26 is still shilling in a very strange way. Rest is "offical".

[scammerdie]

   Or is his alt.

The accounts

• wasserman99
• frankopair
• opairfrank
• kooke
• tomsmith26
• Isildur (official)
• Dank Frank

have some strange connection.

newbies I didn't count here and the list is not complete.

Maybe investing less in buying account will leave some time and money for an hangout interview?

Lol it isn't untill now I notice this post, dude if you want to investigate stuff, better learn how to first. 

About you and Isildur I was hesitating a lot. But I think kooke is clear now (and burnt and because of this silent), tomsmith26 is still shilling in a very strange way. Rest is "offical".

   They accused me as a shill. I am a scam buster, how can be a shill? I only destroy scam, maybe I hurt kooke's balls.

[findscam]

ENJOY IT, IT WILL BE DELETED BY WASSERMAN SOON

This Wasserman is a Joke. How can you leave the Genesis Script Generator in your code and not get a Runtime Error?
This Script Code need to be removed or Commented after you Generate the Genesis Block and MerkleRoot.
Now please tell me how is Team going to Release an OCAML wallet or whatever if you cant even clone a simple Qt Wallet?
I have fixed many Coin Wallets for devs on this forum but to tell you the truth, i really dont trust you guys and deeply regret
being a Phase1 Investor - all i see here is a Bogus project and a One man Operation Stealing Money.
In my Opinion, there will be no development of this Coin but like i said, I have some info of you in case you run. ehehe

And P.S: I advice you to remake a new Wallet because of the 200 blocks for POW which is very low to move all the coins before
POS start. You need at least 2000 blocks for POW to insure that most coins will be distributed and that people will have their
coins matured (after the 12hrs min) to get the POS moving the Blockchain. The min Coin Age is not an Issue as long as the
POW can run until POS start while some blocks are still left for the POW to finish.
If you dont listen to my Advice, you will have the Blockchain stuck and that will be another BIG Issue to fix.
Make the POW last Blocks to 2000 for safety.

Line 44: unsigned int nStakeMinAge = 12 * 60 * 60; // 12 hours    -----> Min Age in main.cpp

Line 29: static const int LAST_POW_BLOCK = 200; // Extra blocks to mature / confirm premine  ------> POW last block 200 (NOT GOOD) in main.h


...And since you like to delete my POSTs, please delete this one too.  

[NASdaq]

I can't believe people are running this wallet ... please, don't run this wallet on anything except a VPS. How likely is it to be infected, given everything that's gone on here?

[luxuryvilla]

I can't believe people are running this wallet ... please, don't run this wallet on anything except a VPS. How likely is it to be infected, given everything that's gone on here?

I am not a programmer, what does this code mean? A virus program?? 

[NASdaq]

I can't believe people are running this wallet ... please, don't run this wallet on anything except a VPS. How likely is it to be infected, given everything that's gone on here?

I am not a programmer, what does this code mean? A virus program?? 

if you install software on your PC made by this guy then expect a wallet stealing nasty to be included. it might be a basic one, but look at what's transpired here? just don't do it!

[hypersire]

I can't believe people are running this wallet ... please, don't run this wallet on anything except a VPS. How likely is it to be infected, given everything that's gone on here?

I am not a programmer, what does this code mean? A virus program?? 

if you install software on your PC made by this guy then expect a wallet stealing nasty to be included. it might be a basic one, but look at what's transpired here? just don't do it!

This is the very definition of FUD. Did you find a virus in the wallet? No? So you are just talking out of your ass then like most people in this thread right?

[baomoremoney]

Hello everyone. I would like to talk you about a situation i have with @wasserman99

I am the founder of http://icotimeline.com/ and i had a deal with @wasserman99 to list his project and promote it.

Our deal was 2 BTC. Supposed to be paid me on 27th August but with all these issues with SJ he delayed it.

After 1 month he continues refuses to pay me, and this time his excuse is that he believes that I am behind the deCLOUDs SCAM.

He believes that i am behind the deCLOUDs SCAM project, but as i explained here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1552176.920 i worked for this project as Advisor, Marketing Officer and one of the Escrowers and i never paid for my work. Nothing more.

Of course i gave all proofs i had about that i m not behind this SCAM and @wasserman99 still refuses to pay me. This is very fishy if you think that many members from community has connected Opair project with deCLOUDs project and believe that the same person/team are behind it.

Of course we have never seen LIVE Opair's team faces and deCLOUD's team faces too.

I invite @wasserman99 to make a live video call and all community can see us and proof that i m not connected with deCLOUDs SCAM. My personal info are public and you can find me in deCLOUD's website in TEAM tab --> http://declouds.com/

I've never stolen a penny from anyone, on the contrary I have sometimes fallen victim of fraud and even fall one by @wasserman99 because he does not respect our deal.

I provided every evidence i have in my possession about deCLOUDs SCAM and he still not believe me. I asked him what he wants to provide more and of course he doesn't know.

As I said, your situation is very strange. DeCloud receive a lot of warning from ICOcountdown and another users and you always defend the project (even you make an open letter). To be honest I dont know if you are the scammer behind decloud or not, so we want to wait to know more about your situation. Please in decloud scam thread give all your info you have to help to catch niktitan.

About the 2 btc bounty, if you proof be not linked in any way to decloud we are going to send the 2 btc. Otherwise we are going to use the amount for those affected by your scam. Right now you are in a very difficult situation. You risked your reputation for that project.

Regards

I copied here to avoid wasserman deletes my post. One scammer wasserman accused another guy as a scammer, and admit to scam Bitcoinexpert 2 btc.

Petros(bitcoinexpert) is Greece Ambassador of WAVES Blockchain Platform and lisk, I think he is innocent in declouds scam, and wasserman's refuse payment is a proof to show he is a scammer too.

Petros(bitcoinexpert), I recommend you contact SebastianJu about this issue, and make a scam accusation on specific board.

[kellendil]

Many scam projects around right now. Declouds , Opair etc.

[Rkana]

Wasserman Scammer just deleted my POST - so that prove everything. Here it is:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Hi,

About bitcoinexpert drama, as I said, we are not going to hold the 2 btc for us, we want to send this amount to a third party (escrow) and if he finally bitcoinexpert has nothing to do with declouds scam the coins will be release. If he is the scammer we are going to use that amount to cover the losses of declouds investors. Is it not perhaps the wisest? Wait to see if he is related in any way with the scam.

Regards

I dont get this, How can you cover the losses of declouds investors? Is decloud one of your Project too? You cant try to Fix someone else Scam if
you are not part of the Scam yourself. You are really making yourself foolish by reasoning like this. Pay the guy for his work that he did for your Scam Project.
declouds has nothing to do with your fishy project and the guy worked for you to Scam more than 150 btc for doing nothing and you need to pay him period.

[frankmb]

Wasserman Scammer just deleted my POST - so that prove everything. Here it is:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Hi,

About bitcoinexpert drama, as I said, we are not going to hold the 2 btc for us, we want to send this amount to a third party (escrow) and if he finally bitcoinexpert has nothing to do with declouds scam the coins will be release. If he is the scammer we are going to use that amount to cover the losses of declouds investors. Is it not perhaps the wisest? Wait to see if he is related in any way with the scam.

Regards

I dont get this, How can you cover the losses of declouds investors? Is decloud one of your Project too? You cant try to Fix someone else Scam if
you are not part of the Scam yourself. You are really making yourself foolish by reasoning like this. Pay the guy for his work that he did for your Scam Project.
declouds has nothing to do with your fishy project and the guy worked for you to Scam more than 150 btc for doing nothing and you need to pay him period.

Yeah he's cleaning up the mess of the scam attempt from his side with BitcoinExpert, he deleted 6 posts of mine.  
Any critism based on the facts or on what he's hiding must be cleaned out if he wants to go on a exchange this weekend.

[BitcoinExpert]

I copied here to avoid wasserman deletes my post. One scammer wasserman accused another guy as a scammer, and admit to scam Bitcoinexpert 2 btc.

Petros(bitcoinexpert) is Greece Ambassador of WAVES Blockchain Platform and lisk, I think he is innocent in declouds scam, and wasserman's refuse payment is a proof to show he is a scammer too.

Petros(bitcoinexpert), I recommend you contact SebastianJu about this issue, and make a scam accusation on specific board.

Wasserman paid me my 2 BTC

[benjy33]

opair big scam mother fuker dev 

[RMfuckbarca]

opair big scam mother fuker dev 

How much did you invest? The price is bad, he is a big scammer, sorry for you.

[wavespump]

Sorry but this is not the case. But we have many influential contacts, so that if we get notoriety in this environment during the ICO phase, we would be possible to achieve the simultaneous release on all three platforms.

Regards

You guys never learnt, so many alarm you don't invest due to this is a scam, see he lied me and lured my 50 btc to throw in this shit, fuck him.    I almost believed and invested 50 btc.

How can a PR doesn't know "notoriety" is negative word? LOL, he is a fucking bastard with bad english skills.

[YIz]

Sorry but this is not the case. But we have many influential contacts, so that if we get notoriety in this environment during the ICO phase, we would be possible to achieve the simultaneous release on all three platforms.

Regards

You guys never learnt, so many alarm you don't invest due to this is a scam, see he lied me and lured my 50 btc to throw in this shit, fuck him.    I almost believed and invested 50 btc.

How can a PR doesn't know "notoriety" is negative word? LOL, he is a fucking bastard with bad english skills.

And now he ran away with thousands. wasn't it clear? it was clear as day, but people still invested. I started this thread long time ago and it still didn't prevent people from giving him more money.

[san2ok]

i need help, i got fraud by twitter campaign https://twitter.com/OracleCoin
as amount of 10BTC
it is raising ICO but never give any news or update

after sometime, its revealing it self
and i trace it related to Lykke.com

the fraud is using this thread ORACLE PROJECT / ORACLE COIN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570693.msg15926718

please someone help me, could anyone contact Lykke founder and team
kindly help

and further investigating, it is all linked to this=
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/779695601311035393 and to twitter https://twitter.com/pearlcoin

and goes to another ICO PearlCoin thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1625592
the user id traderbit hero member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314973
and MAYBE user ID tomcat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623354.msg16319895#msg16319895

this twitter also refealing him self again, and definitely using FILIPINO language
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/778214952771346433
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/778213365118218240

IF ITS NOT A SCAM than i will personally apologize, dan clear his name and erase all acussations, but i doubt so much, and im very desperate

PLEASE KINDLY HELP me investigate

who knows this also related to opair, its almost at the same moment

[findscam]

i need help, i got fraud by twitter campaign https://twitter.com/OracleCoin
as amount of 10BTC
it is raising ICO but never give any news or update

after sometime, its revealing it self
and i trace it related to Lykke.com

the fraud is using this thread ORACLE PROJECT / ORACLE COIN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570693.msg15926718

please someone help me, could anyone contact Lykke founder and team
kindly help

and further investigating, it is all linked to this=
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/779695601311035393 and to twitter https://twitter.com/pearlcoin

and goes to another ICO PearlCoin thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1625592
the user id traderbit hero member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314973
and MAYBE user ID tomcat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623354.msg16319895#msg16319895

this twitter also refealing him self again, and definitely using FILIPINO language
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/778214952771346433
https://twitter.com/OracleCoin/status/778213365118218240

IF ITS NOT A SCAM than i will personally apologize, dan clear his name and erase all acussations, but i doubt so much, and im very desperate

PLEASE KINDLY HELP me investigate

who knows this also related to opair, its almost at the same moment

I think the scammer spent your bitcoin on lykke ico, oracle scam, is zion and mentrio scam, pearl scam, maybe opair and declouds scam

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1625592.msg16368585#msg16368585

[sri.bima]

OMG.....now many scam projects, I really hate things like that.  

[ERossin]

OMG.....now many scam projects, I really hate things like that.  

Wow OPAIR is scam project?
what is the hell going with this shit coins?
ICO projects ussually ends as like as scam projects

[YIz]

OMG.....now many scam projects, I really hate things like that.  

Wow OPAIR is scam project?
what is the hell going with this shit coins?
ICO projects ussually ends as like as scam projects

Some of them end up unprofitable, but this one is literally a scam. he ran away with the money (which was obvious he would).

[anehh]

Amazingly...big dump on Yobit



Is there anyone here who has a node for XPO, my wallet can not sync

[lsqgoddess]

Amazingly...big dump on Yobit



Is there anyone here who has a node for XPO, my wallet can not sync

LOL, what is the ICO price for scam opair? Yobit is a scam exchange, nothing new and scam coins can be pumped there, but all fake pumps.

[4rzun4]

Amazingly...big dump on Yobit



Is there anyone here who has a node for XPO, my wallet can not sync

LOL, what is the ICO price for scam opair? Yobit is a scam exchange, nothing new and scam coins can be pumped there, but all fake pumps.

Scam but getting people to get profit, crypto like game ....move on guys!

[ERossin]

Amazingly...big dump on Yobit



Is there anyone here who has a node for XPO, my wallet can not sync

LOL, what is the ICO price for scam opair? Yobit is a scam exchange, nothing new and scam coins can be pumped there, but all fake pumps.

Never invest this shitcoin. it's scammed coin and Pump and Dump are fake if somebody bought this coin on yobit . He or she will be lost.
this coin is not worth buying. it hasn't got future. Throw it away.

[bittraffic]

Do you guys mean to say that XPO is Opair and its listed on yobit? I thought the developer already ran away with the funds collected.
I think OPiar is a good concept but the team goes nuts when someone shouted scam.

[altcoinrich]

Do you guys mean to say that XPO is Opair and its listed on yobit? I thought the developer already ran away with the funds collected.
I think OPiar is a good concept but the team goes nuts when someone shouted scam.

Hilarious, your logic is controversial. Should be this logic: opair was found as a scam and busted after a few days wasserman published the OP. He deliberately scammed people, and made every fake identities and project details. Not people shouted it is a scam caused the dev ran away. People who invested are morons because there were massive warnings after ICO.

[szachta]

This i cant even send to yobit.

[puremage111]

Opair dev ran away confirmed and i am still holding the $200 worth of opair.

Lets hope if someone took over and develop it

[ERossin]

Opair dev ran away confirmed and i am still holding the $200 worth of opair.

Lets hope if someone took over and develop it

I do not think this coin is worth holding  and now it's only rubbish coin. You can sell it on yobit exchange to get a little money or you will not get any money from it.

[electronicash]

Opair dev ran away confirmed and i am still holding the $200 worth of opair.

Lets hope if someone took over and develop it

I do not think this coin is worth holding  and now it's only rubbish coin. You can sell it on yobit exchange to get a little money or you will not get any money from it.

its listed on yobit?  then dumped it there. link is below this post.

I don't see how this guy get to hold all these after all the warnings being laid in the thread. there had been two threads being created for OP to be noticed by individuals here in the forum, i can't believe it took you so long to conclude they are scam. funny you.

[mrmind]

hate fuking scams . like Opair and Qtum

[Geekphazm]

Oh shit, people find this thread again, it is shame that so many people invested this scam but people have warned them, losers deserve the loss because you trust scammer, not scam busters?

[cryptodv]

Opened up Opair Wallet by accident and saw that are still over 10 active connections. And wallet still syncs. Weird   It was a promising concept, too bad it was a scam.