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[casinobonusgiveaway]

Opair, so open and fair, or liar?

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As we said previously to the release date we should reach a consensus with SJ. This is the final plan we both agreed:

1) Define the 9% PoW before Friday. // By far the most voted option at the moment is "b".
2) On Friday communicating the decision to SJ.
3) Release the qt wallet before September 19th.
4) On September 19th the refund period will ends and the remaining funds will be released.
5) Start the distribution.
6) List on exchanges.
7) Launch the beta during October.

The distribution of the coins can not start earlier because it would be totally unfair to investors in the first phase as SJ he said:

How about making a timeframe of two weeks from the day we have an agreement settled. This should be sufficient time for investors to check for the status of the coin and make a decision.

The problem is that if wasserman99 would release the coins now to ico 1 investors then I either would have to refund all ico 2 users or forward all coins of users that do want a refund. The latter is no real choice. The reason is that they could hedge against the price of the coin otherwise. Ask for a refund with the coin price drops or ask for the coins when they rise in value.

If wasserman99 sends coins before that timeframe to ico 1 then a refund to ico 2 has to happen to not make it possible to force a forwarding.
If coins are sent to ico 1 and 2 then still ico 2 bitcoins has to be refunded for the same reason.

We are in touch,

Regards

Hi,

The most voted option was b). Thus, we continue with that in mind for the wallet. So will be pure PoS with 3% Annual Interest. The qt wallet will be ready before the september 19th but the distribution will start after that date for reasons that can read above, agreed by the escrow.

Regards

So no OCaml wallet will be released? And you can get the whole fund so easily? I just pray for the ico investors.

[BasementRot]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

[XbladeX]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

[BasementRot]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money!  

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.


SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

[XbladeX]

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.
SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

not really it favor 2nd phase ICO people as risk free escrower guys can sell coins if price is high or ask refund if price is low,
this is not fair for 1st phase investors i agree with that that is why i want be out of that shit - the way how they run things is not building trust
i am sure that  people will dump 1st ICO coins asap is possible even is something done in ocaml a bit - confidence is gone.
Wasserman looks all time like he don't want deliver a shit.

PS: I had 0 response From frank about project so he have deep in ass investors...

in case of deleting it in main thread:

wasserman99 how long are you not going to notice issues for the payment of the signature bounty? Please answer why you don't answer on this question?

Maybe because in real he don't want do it if he want he would done it already.

His answer makes no sense at all "he need to know how much money he can get :Daut of ICO"...
Answer is simple ICO -7 BTC all time true what difference is that will be 65 BTC or 150 BTC,
-7BTC will be -7BTC all time period.

If you want run away then it would be 65BTC - 7BTC = 58BTC and there is a difference with running away with
65 or 58 BTC at end.

[electronicash]

You can play wassermans game. Hes done. You guys know this wil still end up unsucessful and those who wants this coinlaunch are those who invested where funds were included in the first ico phase. Of all people you guys should at least protect each other from scam.

[ERossin]

He put on a vote over giving himself 9% of the coin supply that was suppose to be for mining rewards. He ran it as a secret ballot, where only he knew the votes and the totals. Surprise... he just told us that he won the vote and gets the free money! 

Worst part is only 2 or 3 people bothered to say anything about it. I guess he is going to do whatever he wants. I'm just disappointed that SebastionJu is offering stage 2 refunds then handing the remaining coin over to wasserman for no work.

Not everybody want return and some want to play wasserman game.
They can chose big fuck to wasserman or return money - SJ is doing good job
you decide where to go. If price jumps 100x some will have regrets and whine on SJ
and future devs will avoid his ass well so his choose i REALY smart.
People can go away is wasserman will keep doing shit their choice their moeny

I think the project which has many haters maybe it can be worth investing such as ETC or ETH ect,..
I will watch this game .

[cryptodv]

This project is getting a lot of bad publicity, but any publicity is good publicity, right 

[BasementRot]

My point is that most people that support wasserman are probably fake. He ran a secret vote instead of a public vote for a reason.
SebastionJu missed a third option. Allow refunds for 2 weeks AND hold the remaining money until Wasserman delivers features.

not really it favor 2nd phase ICO people as risk free escrower guys can sell coins if price is high or ask refund if price is low,
this is not fair for 1st phase investors i agree with that that is why i want be out of that shit - the way how they run things is not building trust..

I'm the one who pointed that out in the first place...

I'm not saying that Sebastian would still offer 100% refund to stage 2 investors. I'm saying he could still hold funds from wasserman after stage 2 people are locked in. If wasserman failed to deliver, there are fair things Sebastian could do with the money in his possession.

[jamalaezaz]

Just quoting my post from Official thread to here because I don't think wasserman will let my post there and don't delete this:

I am one of the investor of ICO round one which was filled without any escrow. I've joined this because of its uniqueness, Good roadmap and whitepaper.


but now Let me say one thing wasserman!
You fucked up your own project by yourself, with your spammy behavior  and none sense delays in bounty payments..
I've completely lost my trust on this project now..
Honestly I still don't believe I'll get my coins and SebastianJu will help us(as round one was not escrowed). but If I get my coins I'll be the first and biggest dumper of Opair coins..

I am Warrning you.
if you do not want to be dumped so badly then refund me in BTC..

Archived: http://archive.is/0kX6l

thanks.

[burzuks6]

You guys think opair is legit?

[kellendil]

You guys think opair is legit?

no of course

[findscam]

Damn, I found some new proofs.

The biggest escrow scammer master-P, his trust page:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=89329

The scam accusation against master-P: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0

According to Theymos(BCTalk admin): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13460760#msg13460760

I think that master-P's account never changed ownership.

His password was changed four times:
2016-01-05 11:37:58
2015-12-17 13:55:10
2015-05-25 15:26:43
2014-10-19 04:07:48
No resets. All of the above changes were done by IPs which geolocate to the same general area. Also, his very first post and his very last post geolocate to the same general area. And for the last several months he's been using mainly the same IP.

Based on IP evidence, these users are possible (not certain) alts of master-p:
REAL-master-p
jeffersonairplane
kooke
MrBig
sifter
iflewtoday32
antonioserrano72
newflesh
AccTraderALT
ShameOnYou
berserkerbarrage
malaimult
protocol332
komodovpn
#yolo
IronMarvel
djshshajtm

Use this list as a starting point to see if you can find other links between them. Do not use my list as absolute proof. It is very common for two users to use the same IP at one point or another; 364 users have used the same IP as master-p, and the vast majority of them are not the same person.

Changing e-mail addresses on bitcointalk can only be done by verification of old address

Not true

ShameOnYou is a big scammer(bought account scammer):  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131712

His usecoin ico scam OP:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735355.0

After listed on bittrex, he has dumped pre-mine coin, I don't know how much he scammed, should be 50-200 btc.

Clustercoin is also a 2014 scam, their ico was hosted on bittrex, people found the proofs of scam, and bittrex cancelled the ico, and finally refunded investors:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.0

So the source is very possible like this: master-P's alts: kooke, ShameOnYou(bought account scammer)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754544.msg8513806#msg8513806

Usecoin and clustercoins are the same dev ................................... SCAM

My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

I will repost my research to SJ.

I will destroy this scam. Phase 2 guys please ask for refund.

[wasserman99]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustercoin scammer? 

[hypersire]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustuercoin scammer? 

My conclusion: You are spreading FUD and outright telling Phase 2 people to ask for a refund because you are greedy and want more coins for yourself.

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15955549#msg15955549

It is really surprising what is happening here. There are a couple of users who are accusing us with no arguments.

No arguments? You must be kidding. The multiple scam threads are listing plenty of arguments against

- you
- your lies
- your fake Frank & developer social media profiles
- your fake multiple bitcointalk profiles
- your coin development lie
- you defending "your right" of offering no proof
- your copy and paste answers
- your deletion of critical posts
- your "Fudders gona fud no matters what" cries
- your slogan "open and fair"
- your refuses why no interview are possible
- "it was everything clear from the beginning" excuses
- etc.  

This list can be continued with so many further bullet points.

You are writing posts from quite a lot profiles from the same IP address.

In fact there is a high positive correlation in the times of the posts from you wasserman99 and kooke!  

And just by checkin the absence times (2014 - 2016) from your profile and the one from kooke  ... I assume both of the profiles were bought. Bought accounts for doing some fishy things.  

And I also like one of your first posts.

Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something.

Please contact me directly via mp.

Bye!

The community/marketing manager was looking for a community/marketing manager in April 2016 for something he was working on!

No answers from Frank on Linkedin. It's a fake profile. Did he respond to the CEO of Lisk, who tried to contact him over his LinkedIn profile as one can see? No. There is no Frank in Berlin.
  
It is a one man show. And instead of putting any time into any development of your coin project you spend all of your energy on lies in order to blind further people.

Anyone who entered a mail address at the opair ICO should check if they have not entered a password he uses regularly. Because that could additionally harm.

[findscam]

I have nothing to do with kooke user. Even, if he is a bought account there is not our problem.

Regards

I post: My conclusion: Wasserman99 and Kooke maybe bought accounts too, the same old scammer behind: clustercoin scam and usecoin scam, because people found their post history is very similar, the time and post way.

That's why kooke is shilling this project for a long time, because you 2 are the same person. Are you also usecoin and clustuercoin scammer? 

My conclusion: You are spreading FUD and outright telling Phase 2 people to ask for a refund because you are greedy and want more coins for yourself.

You are crazy, I didn't invest money on this project. FUD? I opened zion scam accusation why you don't say I want to get more zion scam? You will regret, just keep believing those scammers

[BasementRot]

Kooke and Wasserman are easily linked together by looking at their post history dates. They both went inactive in late october 2014, then came back in 2016 for Opair. Wasserman came back when he started looking for a community manager and Kooke came back a week before Opair was publicly announced.

Those would have to be some pretty huge coincidences.. lol

Especially considering how much of an unconditional cheerleader Kooke has been for this project.


FYI I would be very happy to sell my ICO account at reasonable a loss.  (0.38 btc face value)

[LiskQH]

This damned swindler released a purse, and now deletes negative feedbacks in the branch of a forum. It is the copy which to it was made for 0,5 btc by school students. Damned swindlers. He will not receive cent.