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November 22, 2016, 11:46:45 AM
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Anyone would agree with you, Bitcoins trade totally unexpected because in the course of the trading result will not be the same as yesterday and probably also for today, if you want to trade you need to know that a safe currency and make a profit only with the correct information.

The good thing is this is a new option for established trader. Some have profited from oil trading or just how the market will move. Now, there is one more good option to where they could invest their money and create more income.
Gold/silver/crude oil/corn and almost everything in this world is being traded. But we got bitcoin trading with high fluctuations and bitcoins are potentially to have huge price levels in long run so trading bitcoin is significantly different and profitable.

Still, trading is unpredictable job in short run. But, with bitcoin if we decide to hold then the problem of unpredictable will get solved easily.
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November 22, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
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There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?


Well, I am not sure about method but for Money, bankroll management is really important, lets say you wanted to trade safe, maybe 2-3% profit/loss per trade would be good, and only use maybe 5-10% of your bankroll when you trade.

Next for your mind, remember, one thing which i fail to do for almost years. Once a coin drop, sell it to prevent losing more, i hold a coin, from 1.2k satoshi, until the current price is now 6 satoshi. 1200 / 6 = 200, i lost my initial investment of $1,000 and became $5.
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November 22, 2016, 12:18:34 PM
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There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?


Well, I am not sure about method but for Money, bankroll management is really important, lets say you wanted to trade safe, maybe 2-3% profit/loss per trade would be good, and only use maybe 5-10% of your bankroll when you trade.

Next for your mind, remember, one thing which i fail to do for almost years. Once a coin drop, sell it to prevent losing more, i hold a coin, from 1.2k satoshi, until the current price is now 6 satoshi. 1200 / 6 = 200, i lost my initial investment of $1,000 and became $5.
What can I say? I guess it depends on the coins you are putting your investment, if you failed to check the coins you are buying and later you know that it's just as shit coins then you will really lose. But if even it's alt but like ETH or XMR, the value is still good to rise in the long run.

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November 22, 2016, 12:41:26 PM
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but with my U2 system you can trade without money...

What is the ROI that people can get on your site? This is the fundamental question that you do not understand. People want to make money. Your website is offering the same returns that the faucets offer. No one will want to stay 1 month to earn 1000 satoshi. I'm being realistic. I'm sorry if I'm being rude. But it's the truth.

I like to claim in the faucets because I take the satoshi I gain to play in the dice. You may wonder. why I do not take my money to play dice?

Because I do not want to get hooked. If I claim in the faucets, it takes more than 4 months to have 0.001 satoshi so I can play in the dice. That makes me play once in a while.

What I'm trying to say is that people should not expect to get the claim satoshi in the faucets to pay their bills in real life.


all is for free.

Nope. People pay energy for their computers to work and pay to have access to the internet. If someone claims satoshi in your faucet? You can be sure that it came out much more expensive for that person. Because what this person earns on your site does not cover the cost of energy + the cost of the internet.
I agree, earning money online is not totally free. You should provide yourself a gadget or device and internet connection of course, in addition the time you invested and efforts also.
I'd rather go on trading than claiming faucets everyday but you need a capital to make a trade like buying a coin but choose the coin which has potential.

ok...ok...then reading here on this forum is not free.
but we can see a little difference:
Here it is not free because "energy + the cost of the internet"
By winspiral it is not free because "energy + the cost of the internet"
but by winspiral you are sure earning something...

But you see only the cost...people com here as well to learn something (even if often they learn wrong things about winspiral)(lol)
And people are winspiral's members as well to get fun.
Not only to take just a part of the 20000 satoshi offered daily,but the fun to take the most part of it by judicious trades.


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What is the ROI that people can get on your site? This is the fundamental question that you do not understand. People want to make money. Your website is offering the same returns that the faucets offer. No one will want to stay 1 month to earn 1000 satoshi. I'm being realistic. I'm sorry if I'm being rude. But it's the truth.

This is pure disinformation...talking about 1 month to earn 1000 satoshi is a big shame.
The exact ROI is given on the site.It helps members to trade the shares.
People do not only want what faucets offer,they want as well fun to trade.Only few members use my U2 system like a classic faucet.

You do not help people with your behavour.You would more help with explamation about my system.So people could see if it is worth to "play"
But you talk about like you do...you have no need to understand it...you just say negatively something and you get your sign campaign reward...
i agree it is more profitable writing wrong things for sign campaign than claiming by winspiral...





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November 22, 2016, 02:58:53 PM
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Yes I have lost money in trading but it was far good experience rather than losing money in gambling. I think the main reason for my loss was to place orders by depending upon shot from troll box, it was really bad thing I ever did. Another thing is being impatient, I was very impatient and use to revert my trade orders even if there was any -1% downfall on the price chart. I have learned that patience is the key, risk taking is must.
For an highly unpredictable job, you are depending on others predictions. We must understand one thing no one will spend time for helping other when they can make use of those help for themselves to make big fortunes.

We must have our own technical analysis in order to make trading profitable. Or at least we may depend upon some highly reputed paid services for trading predictions.

A lot of chatters do that in Yobit. Think of them as owners of the altcoin that they are shouting. Sometimes they even make it like they hate it to produce popularity. Reverse psychology. I have been there also and it is good lesson to not rely on soneone but just instincts.

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November 22, 2016, 03:07:04 PM
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Anyone would agree with you, Bitcoins trade totally unexpected because in the course of the trading result will not be the same as yesterday and probably also for today, if you want to trade you need to know that a safe currency and make a profit only with the correct information.

If you make many results and progress in order to analyze the chart, you can reduce the unexpected events which can happen while trading. That's why trading needs more skill, knowledge as well as experience, than gambling. Newbie can try Yobit, however, experts and masters mostly use other forms of trading.
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November 22, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
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Yes I have lost money in trading but it was far good experience rather than losing money in gambling. I think the main reason for my loss was to place orders by depending upon shot from troll box, it was really bad thing I ever did. Another thing is being impatient, I was very impatient and use to revert my trade orders even if there was any -1% downfall on the price chart. I have learned that patience is the key, risk taking is must.
For an highly unpredictable job, you are depending on others predictions. We must understand one thing no one will spend time for helping other when they can make use of those help for themselves to make big fortunes.

We must have our own technical analysis in order to make trading profitable. Or at least we may depend upon some highly reputed paid services for trading predictions.

You are right. It is still best to rely on your skills to make the analysis. Do not be lazy and just copy trades of others. You might be copying the wrong analysis and lose all your money. But if you know how to analyze and do it religiously, no troll box can fool you in making wrong trades.

i am agree with this and we can learn from many source for making our own analysis so what will be happen is our risk even if we are getting profit or not. but if we don't learn from our past then we don't have to blame other people that we follow to buy some altcoins and just hoping that we can make profit too.

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November 22, 2016, 03:12:43 PM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.

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November 22, 2016, 05:22:27 PM
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That really depends, however you can predict " a little bit" when you are experienced trader, and you feel comfortable with having such a job.
It is all about gains, but good, successful trader can get his "goal" every month, and he is never greedy- so if someone is well educated in trading, you can really live off from the trader's salary.
If you use technical analysis and you are good at it you could see the trends of the coin and in a way predict with some degree of accuracy the movement of bitcoin and profit from it.
A method is really necessary and when you have the data you can analyze it to predict the price movement of bitcoin.That is already the basic and must be understood by every trader who wanted to be successful in his unpredictable job. One thing is certain, our needs is regular but our income is not in trading, therefore we do not have to rely in it as our main source of income.
Nothing says people are not making a living off of trading the cryptocurrencies or fiats. Everything boils down to a trader's knowledge, experience and scale of trading. If you are a versed trader and with good enough trading capital, then managing your funds through informed market decisions would surely leave you with more winnings than losses. There is no way to not lose from time to time, but your knowledge and experience would steer one safe form chaos.
There are people making good money out of trading no doubt about it but they are a minority and it’s very likely they are not spending too much time in the forum and instead they are out there in the markets making money.
Yeah, because they have their money to use as their capital. Most of us here in this forum because we work for a small amount of pay but if we get more matured, we can see more opportunity and we can grab them, there's no age restriction here, even we are teenager as long as we are open minded and we want to make money we have equal opportunity.
In order to be accepted in any trading platform or exchange you need to be legal age so there are age restrictions put in place so kids or very young people don't throw away their money in something they don't actually understand.
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November 22, 2016, 05:42:33 PM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.
But when you are planning to dump before anyone else, you may miss some higher prices also. It means you will still get profits but you cannot catch the possible maximum profits. But for this, you should have bought before the bump has started. In my opinion, still trading is an unpredictable job even you are predicting possible dump.
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November 22, 2016, 05:50:16 PM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.
But when you are planning to dump before anyone else, you may miss some higher prices also. It means you will still get profits but you cannot catch the possible maximum profits. But for this, you should have bought before the bump has started. In my opinion, still trading is an unpredictable job even you are predicting possible dump.
Yup, and there are no people in the world who know about the future include coin's price, the human just can do making prediction and it is can be true or false, the accuracy of our prediction is just 50:50 maximal.
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November 22, 2016, 06:15:32 PM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.
But when you are planning to dump before anyone else, you may miss some higher prices also. It means you will still get profits but you cannot catch the possible maximum profits. But for this, you should have bought before the bump has started. In my opinion, still trading is an unpredictable job even you are predicting possible dump.
Well there is other way to do not miss the maximum profit.. you can set your own sell right now if you are satisfied with the price  and not sell it all and save some of them if the price will continue you will be still make profit..
So for it is not a problem that is why i setting up my all my trading up before go to bed  by 10% to %50.
Example: the price of altcoin is $1 so i set to sell bitcoin into $1.10 and the 2nd is $1.25 so if the price is increase it can hit $1.10 and if the price will continues to rise i will be still make profit..



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November 23, 2016, 01:54:25 AM
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Yes I have lost money in trading but it was far good experience rather than losing money in gambling. I think the main reason for my loss was to place orders by depending upon shot from troll box, it was really bad thing I ever did. Another thing is being impatient, I was very impatient and use to revert my trade orders even if there was any -1% downfall on the price chart. I have learned that patience is the key, risk taking is must.
For an highly unpredictable job, you are depending on others predictions. We must understand one thing no one will spend time for helping other when they can make use of those help for themselves to make big fortunes.

We must have our own technical analysis in order to make trading profitable. Or at least we may depend upon some highly reputed paid services for trading predictions.
I think before looking for any signals service you must try to exhaust ways to improve you own way of getting results that way you will learn a lot and you will be able to tell if the signals service you eventually hire is in fact giving you a quality service or they are giving you signals that everyone with some knowledge could have saw.

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November 23, 2016, 05:05:03 AM
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There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

The most thing you need in trading is in the following.
1. Money(Ofcourse you need money for investment in trading to grow your bitcoins)
2. Mind(You need a good strategy and a little bit of known about trading)
3. Patience(This is the last you need is patience because in trading you didn't know wether it will be high or low so if you buy in low cost you need patience in waiting the coin to get high value)

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November 23, 2016, 06:55:15 AM
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There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

The most thing you need in trading is in the following.
1. Money(Ofcourse you need money for investment in trading to grow your bitcoins)
2. Mind(You need a good strategy and a little bit of known about trading)
3. Patience(This is the last you need is patience because in trading you didn't know wether it will be high or low so if you buy in low cost you need patience in waiting the coin to get high value)

You missed the other important thing, that is "luck". Even if you are a professional trader already, it does not mean you will always get profit when the luck is not on your side.
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November 23, 2016, 08:15:30 AM
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Anyone would agree with you, Bitcoins trade totally unexpected because in the course of the trading result will not be the same as yesterday and probably also for today, if you want to trade you need to know that a safe currency and make a profit only with the correct information.
Being unpredictable is the nature of trading, and the real challenge of trading is hidden with that. Market conditions and affecting factors are different for each and every day. So, we cannot predict and expect same type of moment in markets all the time.

Unpredictable nature of market movements still follow some patterns and through technical analysis we could find that and make use of them for our trading to get profits. That is job of a trader. For this job, they are getting their reward.
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November 23, 2016, 12:45:16 PM
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There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

The most thing you need in trading is in the following.
1. Money(Ofcourse you need money for investment in trading to grow your bitcoins)
2. Mind(You need a good strategy and a little bit of known about trading)
3. Patience(This is the last you need is patience because in trading you didn't know wether it will be high or low so if you buy in low cost you need patience in waiting the coin to get high value)

You missed the other important thing, that is "luck". Even if you are a professional trader already, it does not mean you will always get profit when the luck is not on your side.
I'm not sure if luck is actually involved in trading because there's an explanation behind the market movements. When the coin dies, it's because the coin was a failure and the dev wasn't able to revive the coin. When the coin's price increases, it's because there's a good target market or it's because people have been promoting it a lot. There's a law of supply & demand to support what's happening with the price of the coin. It's not like gambling wherein the website simply generates a number and that decides if you're going to have positive profit or lose your money. Trading is based on the buyers/sellers and not luck.

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November 23, 2016, 11:13:33 PM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.
But when you are planning to dump before anyone else, you may miss some higher prices also. It means you will still get profits but you cannot catch the possible maximum profits. But for this, you should have bought before the bump has started. In my opinion, still trading is an unpredictable job even you are predicting possible dump.
Knowing when to buy and when to sell is the most important skill for any trader and it is impossible to always get it right so as long as you are able to secure profits big enough for you, you should not worry about not catching the whole pump, since there will always be another one.
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November 24, 2016, 12:17:53 AM
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I somehow find trading to be predictable this time because I notice every time a coin's value goes up, someone is eager to dump his coin the first and so you better be the first to dump it before someone else does. You can't just expect someone to wait til they get to dump for quick hundreds. most of them prefer to just dump for cents.
But when you are planning to dump before anyone else, you may miss some higher prices also. It means you will still get profits but you cannot catch the possible maximum profits. But for this, you should have bought before the bump has started. In my opinion, still trading is an unpredictable job even you are predicting possible dump.
Knowing when to buy and when to sell is the most important skill for any trader and it is impossible to always get it right so as long as you are able to secure profits big enough for you,  one.
In my experience with zcash I was feeling pain for knowing when the right time for buy and selling. Even the drop trend will never have got imagined by someone if ZEC still drops until the last rate.
I think all of that will be depending on the market's move.

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Trading is unpredictable and I think that its almost similar to gambling these days so that says already enough in my eyes.
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