why socialism?

[digital_sucrose]

Let's be honest. Its not necessarily the systems that are right or wrong but, the fact that there are people that corrupt these systems. I'm not saying that these systems are equal per say but, when something goes wrong it can usually be traced back to someone that was trying to get the upper hand.

I personally prefer capitalism because, it holds everyone accountable for their actions. In a 100% functioning capitalist system, if I work my ass off and make all the right moves then I will reap the benefits.

[popcorn1]

Because when the robots take your jobs you will be screaming for it ..

If robots take all the jobs, nobody will have any money to buy the products robots make, and the robot system will crash.

If robots take all the jobs, and all the people go on welfare, people will be able to afford anything they want, freely... even to work if they want to work.

Think of it. Free travel. Free homes. Free everything. Robots repairing themselves without people. Live a life of ease. Do whatever you want.

Why are you so negative. Of course, you will be free to be negative when robots support us, so go ahead.

Where did i say all ..You said the word ALL ..

So why are you so negative
Of course, you will be free to be negative when robots support us, so go ahead.

Oh and i never voted on that poll you had just in case your wondering ..
I like your post even though they are nuts ..

I liked the honey post i went and bought a big tub of BUCKWHEAT HONEY honey ..
It suppose to be better than manuka..So i bought 1.4kg of raw buckwheat honey for 16 pounds

That manuka cost a fortune for 340g 16 pounds for the queen bee manuka umf..
So i done some research and scientist say buckwheat is just as good if not better..
So i thought i give it a try for a month and mix a spoon full with me barley grass powder drink and see if i feel and look any better..Not that i could look any better than i already do .. ..

Anyway av a nice day and i will tell you if the buckwheat honey done any good

Oh i forgot to mention did you know honey never goes off you can eat it 3000 years later ..
I never knew this till 2 days ago..
And me and my wife have threw many jars away thinking been in cupboard for 8 months so must be off and i could never find the best before label on jar  silly me..
Sometimes used it to cover meat then roast mostly at Christmas..

So just in case someone decides to throw it away don't it will keep..

[tsaroz]

Theoretically, socialism is one of the best system for society. Practically many of the European nations currently are already practicing it successfully. Communism is a socialism with higher degree of state control which was much needed in highly populated countries with large number of working lower class in the late 20th century.

[BADecker]

The ONLY socialism that works for the benefit of the people, is where people are free to socialize or not, based on their own, personal discretion.

[popcorn1]

The ONLY socialism that works for the benefit of the people, is where people are free to socialize or not, based on their own, personal discretion.

So who pays your pension?..SOCIALISM ..
You Americans already have socialism just you wont admit it?..
You seem to think your just a capitalist country..

In the United States, Social Security is primarily the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability ... Income derived from Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 20% of all Americans, age 65

So be careful what you wish for because when you get old you will get nothing  ..
But i suppose you only want socialism when it suits you..Like when you get old or sick..

So i am glad your mummy and daddy helped you through your life to not need socialism
but some children's mummy and daddies are not up to scratch and that is were socialism is needed..

But i know you will be praying for socialism very soon ..

When you go to confession remember to take some coins with you so you can talk to the computer vicar in the confession box..50 cents for 10 mins chat..Robot vicars ..

[BADecker]

The ONLY socialism that works for the benefit of the people, is where people are free to socialize or not, based on their own, personal discretion.

So who pays your pension?..SOCIALISM ..
You Americans already have socialism just you wont admit it?..
You seem to think your just a capitalist country..

In the United States, Social Security is primarily the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability ... Income derived from Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 20% of all Americans, age 65

So be careful what you wish for because when you get old you will get nothing  ..
But i suppose you only want socialism when it suits you..Like when you get old or sick..

So i am glad your mummy and daddy helped you through your life to not need socialism
but some children's mummy and daddies are not up to scratch and that is were socialism is needed..

But i know you will be praying for socialism very soon ..

When you go to confession remember to take some coins with you so you can talk to the computer vicar in the confession box..50 cents for 10 mins chat..Robot vicars ..

You sound like you are downplaying freedom.

Everybody lives in socialism except for the hermit on the mountain. You know, the critter who doesn't "socialize," or partake of "society."

If I want to be the hermit on the mountain, don't stop me. If I want to limit my socialism in any other way, don't stop me. If you stop me against my will, you are using slavery. Is that what you want? Watch out. Slavery works both ways.

[Tyrantt]

The ONLY socialism that works for the benefit of the people, is where people are free to socialize or not, based on their own, personal discretion.

So who pays your pension?..SOCIALISM ..
You Americans already have socialism just you wont admit it?..
You seem to think your just a capitalist country..

In the United States, Social Security is primarily the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability ... Income derived from Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 20% of all Americans, age 65

So be careful what you wish for because when you get old you will get nothing  ..
But i suppose you only want socialism when it suits you..Like when you get old or sick..

So i am glad your mummy and daddy helped you through your life to not need socialism
but some children's mummy and daddies are not up to scratch and that is were socialism is needed..

But i know you will be praying for socialism very soon ..

When you go to confession remember to take some coins with you so you can talk to the computer vicar in the confession box..50 cents for 10 mins chat..Robot vicars ..

You sound like you are downplaying freedom.

Everybody lives in socialism except for the hermit on the mountain. You know, the critter who doesn't "socialize," or partake of "society."

If I want to be the hermit on the mountain, don't stop me. If I want to limit my socialism in any other way, don't stop me. If you stop me against my will, you are using slavery. Is that what you want? Watch out. Slavery works both ways.

Once again, who would've thought, I have to agree with BADecker. Socialism is a "good" idea on paper but it's terrible in practise. And don't tell me about "real" socialism or such, because that's stupid.

[BADecker]

The ONLY socialism that works for the benefit of the people, is where people are free to socialize or not, based on their own, personal discretion.

So who pays your pension?..SOCIALISM ..
You Americans already have socialism just you wont admit it?..
You seem to think your just a capitalist country..

In the United States, Social Security is primarily the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability ... Income derived from Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 20% of all Americans, age 65

So be careful what you wish for because when you get old you will get nothing  ..
But i suppose you only want socialism when it suits you..Like when you get old or sick..

So i am glad your mummy and daddy helped you through your life to not need socialism
but some children's mummy and daddies are not up to scratch and that is were socialism is needed..

But i know you will be praying for socialism very soon ..

When you go to confession remember to take some coins with you so you can talk to the computer vicar in the confession box..50 cents for 10 mins chat..Robot vicars ..

You sound like you are downplaying freedom.

Everybody lives in socialism except for the hermit on the mountain. You know, the critter who doesn't "socialize," or partake of "society."

If I want to be the hermit on the mountain, don't stop me. If I want to limit my socialism in any other way, don't stop me. If you stop me against my will, you are using slavery. Is that what you want? Watch out. Slavery works both ways.

Once again, who would've thought, I have to agree with BADecker. Socialism is a "good" idea on paper but it's terrible in practise. And don't tell me about "real" socialism or such, because that's stupid.

What I neglected to mention is that much of socialism is informal socialism. Any two people who get together for any project, or even just to have a quick conversation, are participating in informal socialism.

People are socialistic creatures. Most don't want the hermit lifestyle. But few want to give up all their freedom. The right kind of socialism allows differences in socialistic levels for all people at the same time. The thing about this form of socialism is that it is natural, not governmentally dictated. And it shouldn't be governmentally distributed.

[hornetsnest]

Glad to see lost interest in this filthy communist thread 

[coins4commies]

[BADecker]

Why socialism? Because you need it. Watch the movie to see what socialism can do for you.


La Guerre Du Feu (Quest for Fire)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1olqYFMZ7Hg



 

[TECSHARE]

Watch out Kulaks, they are coming for you again.

"47% of Strong Socialist Sympathizers Say Violence against the Rich Is Sometimes Justified"

https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/what-americans-think-about-poverty-wealth-work#overview

[Oxstone]

Watch out Kulaks, they are coming for you again.

"47% of Strong Socialist Sympathizers Say Violence against the Rich Is Sometimes Justified"

https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/what-americans-think-about-poverty-wealth-work#overview

This is ridiculous!

How can 80% of Americans feel that "violence is never justified against the richs"??

You're the citizens of a country that has nearly never known peace, that has part of its constitution ensuring that you always have the means to defend yourself, but you're against violence when it comes to rich people??

You don't see the contradiction here? xD

Any normal human being should answer that violence can be justified. There are cases where violence is the only answer. Otherwise what's the point of your guns?

[af_newbie]

...

Any rational worker would understand his predicament and would do anything in his power to change it.  Investment, education, looking for better places to sell their skills, starting their own business to sell their skills and abilities, saving money comes to mind.

You cannot blame the system for the actions of irrational workers. 

Workers in today's capitalist societies have more choices than ever before in history.  The same cannot be said about communist societies.
There is no mechanism for a worker in the communist society to become financially independent.  The communist system explicitly prohibits it.
Remember the famous rule from both the Soviet constitution and the Bible: "He who does not work, shall not eat".

[TECSHARE]

Watch out Kulaks, they are coming for you again.

"47% of Strong Socialist Sympathizers Say Violence against the Rich Is Sometimes Justified"

https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/what-americans-think-about-poverty-wealth-work#overview

This is ridiculous!

How can 80% of Americans feel that "violence is never justified against the richs"??

You're the citizens of a country that has nearly never known peace, that has part of its constitution ensuring that you always have the means to defend yourself, but you're against violence when it comes to rich people??

You don't see the contradiction here? xD

Any normal human being should answer that violence can be justified. There are cases where violence is the only answer. Otherwise what's the point of your guns?

It is good to see our Frenchineer mini Stalin in training mOgliE again. The right to bear arms is for self defense, not killing rich people. There is a difference between self defense, and hunting down all the kulaks for having more than you.

[Oxstone]

It is good to see our Frenchineer mini Stalin in training mOgliE again. The right to bear arms is for self defense, not killing rich people. There is a difference between self defense, and hunting down all the kulaks for having more than you.

Thanks for the mini Stalin, I'm an alt of Cracked5 though, not mOgliE but I guess for you all left French are the same.

It doesn't matter, the question is clear: is violence against rich people justified?

The correct answer is thus "yes sometimes". Because if rich people attack you need to defend yourself.

Answering "no never" can only imply two things:
1/ you suck it up so much to rich people that if they attack you you spread your ass more
2/ you think rich people will never ever attack you

[coins4commies]

Any rational worker would understand his predicament and would do anything in his power to change it.  Investment, education, looking for better places to sell their skills, starting their own business to sell their skills and abilities, saving money comes to mind.

You cannot blame the system for the actions of irrational workers. 

Workers in today's capitalist societies have more choices than ever before in history.  The same cannot be said about communist societies.
There is no mechanism for a worker in the communist society to become financially independent.  The communist system explicitly prohibits it.
Remember the famous rule from both the Soviet constitution and the Bible: "He who does not work, shall not eat".

You suggest good alternatives to being a wage worker but wage workers don't have access to these alternatives because they don't have the money or time to make the change. 

Wage workers depend on their wages.  They can't just stop working to start their own business because they depend on that wage to get their next meal and make their next rent payment. In the labor market, there is always a greater supply than demand so wages are constantly suppressed and there is no free time to do the things you are mentioning.

How can someone get education when education is not free and their wage is their only source of income.   Avoiding starvation and homelessness is not irrational. 

*Ignoring soviet strawman*

[af_newbie]

Any rational worker would understand his predicament and would do anything in his power to change it.  Investment, education, looking for better places to sell their skills, starting their own business to sell their skills and abilities, saving money comes to mind.

You cannot blame the system for the actions of irrational workers. 

Workers in today's capitalist societies have more choices than ever before in history.  The same cannot be said about communist societies.
There is no mechanism for a worker in the communist society to become financially independent.  The communist system explicitly prohibits it.
Remember the famous rule from both the Soviet constitution and the Bible: "He who does not work, shall not eat".

You suggest good alternatives to being a wage worker but wage workers don't have access to these alternatives because they don't have the money or time to make the change. 

Wage workers depend on their wages.  They can't just stop working to start their own business because they depend on that wage to get their next meal and make their next rent payment. In the labor market, there is always a greater supply than demand so wages are constantly suppressed and there is no free time to do the things you are mentioning.

How can someone get education when education is not free and their wage is their only source of income.   Avoiding starvation and homelessness is not irrational. 

*Ignoring soviet strawman*

10 seconds google search:

https://www.affordablecolleges.com/rankings/community-colleges/

Most offer state grants. Welding, electrician, plumbing professions are way better than some 'wage' jobs at retail or a fast food joint.

For those more ambitious, accounting, business administration, followed by scholarships to universities. 

Don't tell me you cannot find a solution.  Tell me you don't want to look, that I will believe you.

[TECSHARE]

It is good to see our Frenchineer mini Stalin in training mOgliE again. The right to bear arms is for self defense, not killing rich people. There is a difference between self defense, and hunting down all the kulaks for having more than you.

Thanks for the mini Stalin, I'm an alt of Cracked5 though, not mOgliE but I guess for you all left French are the same.

It doesn't matter, the question is clear: is violence against rich people justified?

The correct answer is thus "yes sometimes". Because if rich people attack you need to defend yourself.

Answering "no never" can only imply two things:
1/ you suck it up so much to rich people that if they attack you you spread your ass more
2/ you think rich people will never ever attack you

If you say so. The leftist French are especially retarded, so I wouldn't be surprised but I have my doubts. So do you ask for a pay stub before defending yourself from attackers? The correct answer is to defend yourself, period. We all know the left advocates proactive violence though, and that's what this survey is asking, so your cute little word games are irrelevant.

[coins4commies]

^Its not proactive.  Excessive wealth and hoarding is already a form of violence.  Mitigating that is defense of said violence.

10 seconds google search:

https://www.affordablecolleges.com/rankings/community-colleges/

Most offer state grants. Welding, electrician, plumbing professions are way better than some 'wage' jobs at retail or a fast food joint.

For those more ambitious, accounting, business administration, followed by scholarships to universities.  

Don't tell me you cannot find a solution.  Tell me you don't want to look, that I will believe you.

1.Well thats just cute but what about people who can't get into the country?

2. What about the people in the country who can't afford to pay rent without working, even if their tuition is paid for by a grant, where will they live?

3. How will they eat?

4. who will take care of their kids?

5. What about the people whose bosses won't give them flexible hours to attend classes and study?

and then when they graduate they are back working a (slightly better) job where their labor value is still being stolen and they are paid a higher wage.  Starting your own company in an established industry (the kind you are taught about in college) requires an immense amount of capital.  W

6. Where will this capital come from?  

7. How will they compete with huge corporations that offer more competitive prices because they have the advantage of stealing labor value from thousands of workers?

8. What if they get sick at any point in the process?

If you can magically jump through those eight hurdles, there are definitely opportunities in the market that some poor people can rise into and fill but this is an extremely competitive path and only the most outstanding individuals will earn their way to freedom.  That is the exception not the rule.  Most of the poor are stuck poor regardless of what they choose.