why socialism?

[Sahyadri]

Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?

Socialism makes sure not to give power in hands of private players and large players who contribute to GDP of the nation. While any government wont want that , socialism also makes sure to keep price under control , handle inflation and related unemployment. It also protects the people of the country by safegaurding land and labor laws.

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[iluvbitcoins]

Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?

Socialism makes sure not to give power in hands of private players and large players who contribute to GDP of the nation. While any government wont want that , socialism also makes sure to keep price under control , handle inflation and related unemployment. It also protects the people of the country by safegaurding land and labor laws.

Everything you said is incorrect.

The dictator is a large player, especially the ruling class.

Socialist countries tend to have enormous amounts of inflation, look at Venezuela for example
My country was a part of socialist ex Yugoslavia which also issued million Dinar bills and had 2000% inflation rates.

They only hide the unemployment by hiring people in non-existing positions that aren't actually needed.

They expropriate land from the people.

[coins4commies]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

[TECSHARE]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

No one "pushes for" starvation, totalitarianism, and genocide. It arises out of failed policy. You are the one using a straw man.

[iluvbitcoins]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

Your nickname "coins4commies" determined that was a lie.

[TECSHARE]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

[coins4commies]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

No one "pushes for" starvation, totalitarianism, and genocide. It arises out of failed policy. You are the one using a straw man.

You're correct (today) except you don't know what a strawman is.  No one is pushing for failed policies but you are creating an imaginary group of people who are supporting failed policies to ridicule these imaginary people for supporting said failed policies.  The people don't exist thus are built out of straw and can easily be destroyed.

I said today because genocide has definitely been "pushed for" in the past
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
just one of many examples

[TECSHARE]

Its a strawman.  no one is "pushing for" the ideas and policies that haven't worked in the past.  

No one "pushes for" starvation, totalitarianism, and genocide. It arises out of failed policy. You are the one using a straw man.

You're correct (today) except you don't know what a strawman is.  No one is pushing for failed policies but you are creating an imaginary group of people who are supporting failed policies to ridicule these imaginary people for supporting said failed policies.  The people don't exist thus are built out of straw and can easily be destroyed.

I said today because genocide has definitely been "pushed for" in the past
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
just one of many examples

They aren't imaginary. They are very real. For example you. All of the arguments you make in favor of socialism and communism have been made before and resulted in starvation, totalitarianism and genocide. An example of a real straw man is what you just did here mentioning some people did push for genocide as if it is relevant to the fact that genocide doesn't require mal intent on the part of its planners.

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"#55 How Communism Destroys a Society | Joshua Philipp"
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[coins4commies]

Its why you insist on keeping the discussion general by oversimplifying everything to "socialism vs capitalism".  By avoiding talking about actual policies, you're able to perpetuate the strawman that people are supporting failed policies of the past.  When our policies are actually laid out for you, you always say "no thats capitalism" which is evidence that you know no one is pushing for the policies you're referring to when you talk about socialism.

[iluvbitcoins]

Its why you insist on keeping the discussion general by oversimplifying everything to "socialism vs capitalism".  By avoiding talking about actual policies, you're able to perpetuate the strawman that people are supporting failed policies of the past.  When our policies are actually laid out for you, you always say "no thats capitalism" which is evidence that you know no one is pushing for the policies you're referring to when you talk about socialism.

Everything that doesn't involve the state is capitalism.
It's because your policies involve coercion, which capitalists aren't very fond of.
We believe in individual liberties.

[coins4commies]

Its why you insist on keeping the discussion general by oversimplifying everything to "socialism vs capitalism".  By avoiding talking about actual policies, you're able to perpetuate the strawman that people are supporting failed policies of the past.  When our policies are actually laid out for you, you always say "no thats capitalism" which is evidence that you know no one is pushing for the policies you're referring to when you talk about socialism.

Everything that doesn't involve the state is capitalism.
It's because your policies involve coercion, which capitalists aren't very fond of.
We believe in individual liberties.

Thats just a bad definition of capitalism.  The word you were looking for is anarchism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Somalia_from_1991_to_2006

 The problem with your equation, is that many of the stateless societies are on the left.  You have Zapatistas in Mexico and Rojava in Kurdistan both with left-leaning economies.  More famously, you had the Paris commune which was established by anarcho-socialists. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities#Mass_societies

Anarchy loving capitalists should go live in Somalia because its probably the closest country to being aligned with your values.

[TECSHARE]

Its why you insist on keeping the discussion general by oversimplifying everything to "socialism vs capitalism".  By avoiding talking about actual policies, you're able to perpetuate the strawman that people are supporting failed policies of the past.  When our policies are actually laid out for you, you always say "no thats capitalism" which is evidence that you know no one is pushing for the policies you're referring to when you talk about socialism.

Everything that doesn't involve the state is capitalism.
It's because your policies involve coercion, which capitalists aren't very fond of.
We believe in individual liberties.

Thats just a bad definition of capitalism.  The word you were looking for is anarchism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Somalia_from_1991_to_2006

 The problem with your equation, is that many of the stateless societies are on the left.  You have Zapatistas in Mexico and Rojava in Kurdistan both with left-leaning economies.  More famously, you had the Paris commune which was established by anarcho-socialists. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities#Mass_societies

Anarchy loving capitalists should go live in Somalia because its probably the closest country to being aligned with your values.

an = without, arch = rulers

Anarchism literally means without rulers, not without rules, not without a state. Your definition of "anarchism" is a protocommunist state pretending to be anarchism while some how collectivizing at the same time. Actual anarchism and socialism are not at all compatible, but socialists and communists love wearing the skin of other movements and organizations to subvert them toward their own goals. Anyone I have ever talked to who calls themselves "anarchist" is just a confused and or dishonest socialist.

[coins4commies]

Perhaps you should read bookchin or at least get a basic understanding about how some of these places operate or their philosophy before coming to those blanket conclusions.  Purely democratic states do not involve rules or a state.  Just groups of people agreeing to do things together with voluntary participation. 

[Hilsgort_T]

Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?

There are good and right ideas in any political system. For example, in modern democratic capitalist states there is freedom of speech, there is a reasonable freedom that is useful to all mankind. But there are also negative aspects - this is a ban on the prohibition of bad and destructive parties. So it is in the socialist countries of the past and present. There are both good and bad.

At the moment, there are no examples of the right productive and reasonable state. However, we can take all the best from all examples. I am sure that everything is possible, and in the future everything will become even better than now.

[TECSHARE]

Perhaps you should read bookchin or at least get a basic understanding about how some of these places operate or their philosophy before coming to those blanket conclusions.  Purely democratic states do not involve rules or a state.  Just groups of people agreeing to do things together with voluntary participation. 

What the fuck does this have to do with anything that I said? Also groups of people agreeing to do things are also known as rules, but don't let that stop you from butchering the definitions of words over and over again to fit a square peg into your communist hole.

[SummerBliss]

Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?

I feel a capitalist society can be dangerous and selfish if given too much power. Specially when such society gets controlled by few conglomerate of private players. Socialism leads to equality and does not let power into private players. Indeed a good government is required to beer fruits from socialist society. Socialism , beside taking care of equality also takes care of price fluctuation, inflation and keeps a check on unemployement.

[iluvbitcoins]

Its why you insist on keeping the discussion general by oversimplifying everything to "socialism vs capitalism".  By avoiding talking about actual policies, you're able to perpetuate the strawman that people are supporting failed policies of the past.  When our policies are actually laid out for you, you always say "no thats capitalism" which is evidence that you know no one is pushing for the policies you're referring to when you talk about socialism.

Everything that doesn't involve the state is capitalism.
It's because your policies involve coercion, which capitalists aren't very fond of.
We believe in individual liberties.

Thats just a bad definition of capitalism.  The word you were looking for is anarchism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Somalia_from_1991_to_2006

 The problem with your equation, is that many of the stateless societies are on the left.  You have Zapatistas in Mexico and Rojava in Kurdistan both with left-leaning economies.  More famously, you had the Paris commune which was established by anarcho-socialists.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities#Mass_societies

Anarchy loving capitalists should go live in Somalia because its probably the closest country to being aligned with your values.

Anarcho-socialism is just another word for communism.
How can you be stateless with public education and taxes?  
The Paris commune had taxes as well and Rojava has public education financed by those taxes.

Somalia is also a state where many statists fight to be the only dictator.
Here's the Somali law


Wow, such anarchy  

[antonytar81]

Most likely this is a blind faith in utopia

[af_newbie]

Perhaps you should read bookchin or at least get a basic understanding about how some of these places operate or their philosophy before coming to those blanket conclusions.  Purely democratic states do not involve rules or a state.  Just groups of people agreeing to do things together with voluntary participation.  

You are forgetting about one thing.  95% of people are complete idiots.

In a true democracy, you would not be able to agree which leaves to use to wipe your ass.
Never mind running a complex society.

No matter the political system, you need leaders, you need a ruling class.

Socialism makes almost everyone as poor as a church mouse.

We need meritocracy, not socialism.

[coins4commies]

Perhaps you should read bookchin or at least get a basic understanding about how some of these places operate or their philosophy before coming to those blanket conclusions.  Purely democratic states do not involve rules or a state.  Just groups of people agreeing to do things together with voluntary participation.  

You are forgetting about one thing.  95% of people are complete idiots.

In a true democracy, you would not be able to agree which leaves to use to wipe your ass.
Never mind running a complex society.

No matter the political system, you need leaders, you need a ruling class.

Socialism makes almost everyone as poor as a church mouse.

We need meritocracy, not socialism.

You're right without education because democracy can only work well with a highly educated population