[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform

[petricag]

LOL, that's not how it works man. The guys fully agreed to sign a NDA before exchanges consider to add Iconomi or discuss any details.

Why would you agree to sign  NDA ? Do you think Polo has promised something to the Dev's ? WHY do that if you are transparent. I know what an NDA is ... usually is to protect sensitive information ... Investors do not care about any sensitive information. They just care about

"
NDAs require from us not to comment on our relationships with the exchanges.
The listing of ICN is purely the exchange’s decision. Kraken is one of the exchanges that decided to list us for the time being.
"

The 2 phrases are in direct contradiction. NDAs require from you ? Than you are a party involved in the decision to list the token ... If the decision would be entirely of the exchange ... why the need of an NDA ?

[stormia]

LOL, that's not how it works man. The guys fully agreed to sign a NDA before exchanges consider to add Iconomi or discuss any details.

Why would you agree to sign  NDA ? Do you think Polo has promised something to the Dev's ? WHY do that if you are transparent. I know what an NDA is ... usually is to protect sensitive information ... Investors do not care about any sensitive information. They just care about

"
NDAs require from us not to comment on our relationships with the exchanges.
The listing of ICN is purely the exchange’s decision. Kraken is one of the exchanges that decided to list us for the time being.
"

The 2 phrases are in direct contradiction. NDAs require from you ? Than you are a party involved in the decision to list the token ... If the decision would be entirely of the exchange ... why the need of an NDA ?

Maybe because polo or bittrex do not want the devs discussing when it will be listed because that is essentially insider information? Polo never announces its listing until it actually lists a coin...

Why polo/bittrex do that is a different story... it is kind of shady on the exchanges end, because it would make it easy for them to profit from the insider information.

[smokim87]

NDA just for an exchange addition?  I find that odd...............................
Is there a valid reason for this or just smoke/mirrors from the devs???

From what I've heard this is how it's always done when an exchange adds a new addition.

Nobody can force you to sign an NDA ... what do you think, Polo guys threaten the dev's if they don't sign and NDA they will not list ICN ?
Really ?

I know, it's funny that Polo makes them sign a NDA not to say if their listing ICN or not. Is it me or does that hint to insider trading? Polo buys up ICN and when ready lists it and dumps it's ICN for instant profit along with fees. Find it stupid to have a NDA for a coin being on an exchange, I find it funny that people sign NDAs in crypto, or sign anything for that matter in the Crypto world..

[TrueAnon]

WBB has NDA with upcoming Insurance company sign on, but this is for major biz contract with multi-million dollar company.  THAT is valid NDA reason.

I think it just seems now ICN or like crypto scene is now "throwing around" the NDA term using it in the wrong terminology or situation lol.  Especially when it isn't req'd!

[petricag]

I know, it's funny that Polo makes them sign a NDA not to say if their listing ICN or not. Is it me or does that hint to insider trading? Polo buys up ICN and when ready lists it and dumps it's ICN for instant profit along with fees. Find it stupid to have a NDA for a coin being on an exchange, I find it funny that people sign NDAs in crypto, or sign anything for that matter in the Crypto world..

That is exactly my thought. Polo do not even need to tell the dev's when or if they are listing the token. The dev's only need to formally request exchanges to list the token. Nothing more. The rest is clearly market manipulation. I am sure Polo already bought a lot of cheap ICN ... which were available for sale that cheap exactly because of the manipulation (uncertainty that the token will ever be listed on a decent exchange). So I hope to be spot on when its getting listed on Polo in the first hours, before Polo dumps its full bag of ICN and crushes the price.

[Xtrata]

There's another one about future exchanges...

So what I understand is that the dev's would've wanted to list ICN on any exchange, because they promised the investor ICN will be listed on big exchanges and that is why they raised that much money among other reasons, so they got in touch with the exchanges, but those bitches from the exchanges just throw in their face an NDA to make them shut the f**uk up ... right? Probably the dev's even got threaded that the ICN will never be listed on those exchanges if they do not obey and sign the NDAs. This is the way to judge this ? ... or we should not even try to use our heads ... we just have to be true believers right ?

In reality its much simpler. IF they did not made an agreement with some of the exchanges to manipulate the price they could've just come and say to us something like this ... "Hey guys we submitted the request to be listed there and there, those exchanges came with shady things so we told them to go fuck them self, its not in our reach any more to listed there, and yes we already payed the lauzy 3 BTC to have it on Bitrex, because we respect our investors, sorry for not being able to do more, but we try to stay transparent and not get involved in shady schema with the evil Polo guys".
I presume now its too late, so personally I am not planing long term here, as for me its a red flag when simple things that are related to transparency are transformed in complicated NDA taped things.
I hope when it gets to Polo there will be enough stupid people to pump this up to 5 USD / ICN ... sell it all, rebuy at 1 USD or less .. and so on.

What I cannot understand is "the listing of ICN is purely the exchange's decision", if that is the case, why would there be an NDA about this? Agreement or not, it is not up to the devteam so why on earth would you sign an agreement with someone that forces you to keep stuff like this secret?

[minerjoen]

There's another one about future exchanges...

So what I understand is that the dev's would've wanted to list ICN on any exchange, because they promised the investor ICN will be listed on big exchanges and that is why they raised that much money among other reasons, so they got in touch with the exchanges, but those bitches from the exchanges just throw in their face an NDA to make them shut the f**uk up ... right? Probably the dev's even got threaded that the ICN will never be listed on those exchanges if they do not obey and sign the NDAs. This is the way to judge this ? ... or we should not even try to use our heads ... we just have to be true believers right ?

In reality its much simpler. IF they did not made an agreement with some of the exchanges to manipulate the price they could've just come and say to us something like this ... "Hey guys we submitted the request to be listed there and there, those exchanges came with shady things so we told them to go fuck them self, its not in our reach any more to listed there, and yes we already payed the lauzy 3 BTC to have it on Bitrex, because we respect our investors, sorry for not being able to do more, but we try to stay transparent and not get involved in shady schema with the evil Polo guys".
I presume now its too late, so personally I am not planing long term here, as for me its a red flag when simple things that are related to transparency are transformed in complicated NDA taped things.
I hope when it gets to Polo there will be enough stupid people to pump this up to 5 USD / ICN ... sell it all, rebuy at 1 USD or less .. and so on.

Cool story. Now put your money where your mouth is and sell 

+ 1, go out, we dont need you.

[mtnsaa]

NDA just for an exchange addition?  I find that odd...............................
Is there a valid reason for this or just smoke/mirrors from the devs???

From what I've heard this is how it's always done when an exchange adds a new addition.

Nobody can force you to sign an NDA ... what do you think, Polo guys threaten the dev's if they don't sign and NDA they will not list ICN ?
Really ?

I know, it's funny that Polo makes them sign a NDA not to say if their listing ICN or not. Is it me or does that hint to insider trading? Polo buys up ICN and when ready lists it and dumps it's ICN for instant profit along with fees. Find it stupid to have a NDA for a coin being on an exchange, I find it funny that people sign NDAs in crypto, or sign anything for that matter in the Crypto world..

Don't quote me on this but this recent pump must be Bittrex or Poloniex getting ready to list it. Honestly I'm not sure why Bittrex (which list almost any shitcoin the minute it is available) hasn't list Iconomi yet (which is quite the opposite). Actually Kraken is one of the most prestigious and hardest to get in.

The reason they signed a NDA is because they have nothing to lose and that was the requirement from that particular exchange, I don't see it as a big deal. Really if Kraken listed then all doubts are nonsense in my opinion and it's just a matter of time. I'm not sure what they are waiting for though, especially Bittrex. Poloniex hardly adds anything lately.

[liotmaan]

It's a not secret that Poloniex does insider trading. Mentioning an NDA is a good thing for price though. I do highly doubt its Bittrex with the NDA though since they're not secretive when it comes to coin they're interested in adding.

[petricag]

+ 1, go out, we dont need you.

Well ... I am waiting for the true believers like you to pump it to 5 USD / ICN ... then I will not bother you with my thoughts. Still its sad that that was the best you could think about. No real arguing with me ? Thinking is hard I know ... Its essayer to just believe blindly

[petricag]

It's a not secret that Poloniex does insider trading. Mentioning an NDA is a good thing for price though. I do highly doubt its Bittrex with the NDA though since they're not secretive when it comes to coin they're interested in adding.

Don't really care about what Poloniex does. I did not invest in them ... I am interesting in the actions the dev's have taken, as I invested in their ICO. And to be honest there are more and more red flags from my point of view.

[mcfom]

I like that part where they said we can't say anything about listing on new exchanges. This is enough for me since there is no direct answer with yes or no. It is all manipulation and accumulation like last days was before this sudden rise in price. One can't be so sure until all features are fully functional and available.

[estenity]

How you guys are dreaming . The team might be good, but they are not god. How the hell should they make out of 10 Mio invested in ICO, 540 Million Dollar just for dividends payment...I know you can make a lot of money with crypto...but keep your feet on the ground guys.

This is what I expect from Iconomi Investment.

ICN Dividends = around 15% a year
ICNX = around 30% profit a year
ICNP = between 100-300% profit a year

ICN's on hold...not tradable for me :-)

you dont understand the fund? You can pay the fund with fiat. And for the real market 540mil is nothing.

Just wait and see. Some years ago friends of me laughed me out where i bought Facebook during the Price dib for around 75k dollar...

Now the most of them dont speak with me 

OK for the leverage calculation... but you also need a sufficient number of customers, and a success of the team...2 big conditions.

[Wolf-Dagger]

AMA session happens. Still arguments. What a place.

[p4xil]

Checked in for a bit and see people still crying about ponzinex and spreading FUD.
Check again later.

[capone1340]

Checked in for a bit and see people still crying about ponzinex and spreading FUD.
Check again later.

ponzinex GOOD ONE 

[Nachbar90]

I like that part where they said we can't say anything about listing on new exchanges. This is enough for me since there is no direct answer with yes or no. It is all manipulation and accumulation like last days was before this sudden rise in price. One can't be so sure until all features are fully functional and available.

They have already mentioned more than once that it is up to the exchanges if they get listed or not

[$1vEr.$urfer]

I wouldn't call in "anything but words".
But maybe it's just me, time will tell.

Not just words ... there were some pictures also and today the biggest news ever .. a 5000 ETH investment ... to the moon ...
I tell you, these guys here really think everyone around is retarded !
Its just speculation, but in a controlled way (that is why the ICN its just on Kraken ... a big whale is pumping now the price, silly people will jump in to buy high (because of course ICN to the moon), then the whales will just buy back cheap in a few weeks. That would be harder to do on Polo as there are way more investors so you cannot really control things.

I couldn't agree more!

Gotta love the gem of an answer on the subject @ the AMA a short while ago...
Q:
Could we get some information about the NDA for the exchanges? What was the reason for this? Why was it decided to just list on Kraken as the main exchange from the start and not on other ones?
A:
NDAs require from us not to comment on our relationships with the exchanges. The listing of ICN is purely the exchange’s decision. Kraken is one of the exchanges that decided to list us for the time being.

What a croc!

So they have ensured a deadlock situation because we would logically like - for the purposes of trading - for ICN to be listed on poloniex and bittrex, but the ICN dev team refuses to approach these two exchanges about it. yet these two exchangee REQUIRE the development team to approach them before they will consider listing the coin...

So i guess we'll have to do without it on the two main exchanges til thy kingdom come.  lol

[$1vEr.$urfer]

I wouldn't call in "anything but words".
But maybe it's just me, time will tell.

Not just words ... there were some pictures also and today the biggest news ever .. a 5000 ETH investment ... to the moon ...
I tell you, these guys here really think everyone around is retarded !
Its just speculation, but in a controlled way (that is why the ICN its just on Kraken ... a big whale is pumping now the price, silly people will jump in to buy high (because of course ICN to the moon), then the whales will just buy back cheap in a few weeks. That would be harder to do on Polo as there are way more investors so you cannot really control things.

so you are saying that someone is preventing polo from listing ICN?

That's correct yes. Pretty obvious actually.

[Daparski]

Something to think about.

The ICN index fund holds around 15% DASH.

If ICONOMI decide to run DASH masternodes (1000 DASH per node) this will generate income of about 1.9-2.0 DASH per 7-10 days on average.

Their are a few calcs around that i will dig up and post, however it's about a 9-10% return for running a masternode.

What does this mean?  Another potential income stream to add value to the fund and even out the bumps or help compound.

My mind now turns to the potential for LISK and forging as a possible income stream for the ICN Index.

Fun times 

The ICN index fund holds around 15% DASH.

The ICNX fund holds 0 currencies. Currently it is only an index - it just trucks the currencies based on the predefined rules.
Once the funds becomes active, and people decide to invest in it, only then it will have actual assets.

But the idea is good.