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June 27, 2023, 01:43:20 PM
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In the report they mentioned they have asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack therefore the funds recovered could go a long way to helping victims.
Wasnt there some funds frozen from the Cryptopia hack that was tracked to binance or some other exchanges ?
This could that they have written " asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack "
But i really dont know that , the only thing i know is that the Investigation is still on going.

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June 27, 2023, 02:27:13 PM
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I gave up on reading about Cryptopia a long time ago because it was 99% about what Grant Thornton were putting out for public consumption. I was not interested after their first few reports therefore cannot be sure if they did ask Binance to freeze funds but this is what the Hacked Assets part of the report stated:

We continue to work with the New Zealand Police and international authorities as they work to determine the source of the January 2019 hack. Our obligation is to seek recoveries for stakeholders’ benefit. As previously reported, we have filed recovery actions in the United States of America, Malaysia and Singapore related to the January 2019 hack

As you correctly mentioned, their (never-ending) investigation has still not ended yet and they have refused to be specific as to where those requested frozen funds in those countries are being held.

Wasnt there some funds frozen from the Cryptopia hack that was tracked to binance or some other exchanges ?
This could that they have written " asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack "
But i really dont know that , the only thing i know is that the Investigation is still on going.

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August 17, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o

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September 22, 2023, 07:24:03 AM
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o

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Permitting Cryptopia to take no steps to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who have an account balance of less than the costs of the trust administration.

Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
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October 06, 2023, 01:44:29 AM
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I just got my check from Voyager, which was small as I didn't keep much there.  But they took about a year, cryptopia is taking ages.

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October 06, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
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Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
This saga has been dragged out for far too long. At the end of the day, investors have lost money and all they want is to get it back. Some investors will not give their identify for KYC therefore those funds can be recycled back to the recovered funds pot and be used towards those that will give KYC. Instead, all we here is more drama from the liquidators and Courts.

There should be a limit as to how much any liquidator or administrator is allowed to take for themselves because there is not an endless pit of Cryptopia funds. They are still trying to recover funds and the costs associated are simply going to take away a large amount of victims compensations whenever they will be made.

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October 23, 2023, 02:01:52 PM
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almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed

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November 14, 2023, 09:24:51 PM
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Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
This saga has been dragged out for far too long. At the end of the day, investors have lost money and all they want is to get it back. Some investors will not give their identify for KYC therefore those funds can be recycled back to the recovered funds pot and be used towards those that will give KYC. Instead, all we here is more drama from the liquidators and Courts.

There should be a limit as to how much any liquidator or administrator is allowed to take for themselves because there is not an endless pit of Cryptopia funds. They are still trying to recover funds and the costs associated are simply going to take away a large amount of victims compensations whenever they will be made.

I agree, this shouldn't take that long. And if it's going to take that long, there should be an explanation of why it's taking so long.

This week NZ court will decide if they accept how they're going to give us back our funds. Let's hope we get back our funds before 2024.
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November 14, 2023, 10:18:33 PM
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If you have been patient you will have to wait a little longer. Grant Thornton (the liquidators that are administering the business) have yet to declare the full funds they have managed to locate and have returned back in order for them to be classed as the assets owned by Cryptopia. My advice to you would be to not trade your 0.6 BTC for the 500 COG that is being being offered to Cryptopia victims and hopefully you will have news about your funds soon.

almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed

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I'll leave this here, maybe it will be useful to someone

Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 2 November 2023
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-2-november-2023/

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The actual summary of the court's decision is shown in the screenshot.



Details about the court's decision in the CIV case-2023-485-411 reviewed from November 13 to November 15 on the website of the New Zealand Court can be found here: https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2023/2023-NZHC-3224.pdf
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December 24, 2023, 09:44:51 PM
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o

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Permitting Cryptopia to take no steps to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who have an account balance of less than the costs of the trust administration.

Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
So there is no way to recieve the fund right? that's really bad for me too. i have some balance in cryptopia.
Should i must press on?


almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed
well that's alot for me mate and there is alot of dead coin too
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o

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Permitting Cryptopia to take no steps to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who have an account balance of less than the costs of the trust administration.

Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
So there is no way to recieve the fund right? that's really bad for me too. i have some balance in cryptopia.
Should i must press on?

Let's wait for the end of this red tape business, and the main thing is not to entertain illusions, but also not to wind up too much, just follow the course of events. You can follow more information on the progress of this case on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia / you can also get acquainted with the background of the Cogito scammer Victor Cattermole here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/129486227/the-prince-the-penthouse-and-the-principality-controversial-businessman-victor-cattermoles-latest-venture
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January 03, 2024, 05:49:38 PM
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Mumble those damn cognito emails cutting the fluff out

Currently, the situation with Grant Thornton is that the initial distribution application is before the court but could be tied up for some time. It is likely that the initial distribution will occur later in 2024, and most likely in 2025.

To be clear, this initial distribution is for a 50% distribution of BTC and Doge coins only. No application has been put before the court to deal with any other coins, so it is not clear when they may be distributed; it is reasonable to assume 2025 and 2026.

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January 03, 2024, 08:42:55 PM
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It is really difficult to comprehend the feelings of the victims. First they had to deal with the very sad news that there had been a theft and Cryptopia shut down. Second they had to make a decision about whether to give their KYC to Grant Thornton in order to claim for losses (many did not) and after that they have had to put up with years of reading what Court judges and Grant Thornton have stated but did not as of yet receive their funds.

almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed
well that's alot for me mate and there is alot of dead coin too

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A New Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 20 February 2024
Link For The Grantthornton Update
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-20-february-2024/
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February 22, 2024, 05:11:43 PM
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Can you imagine the amount of stress the victims have had to endure simply because of how long it has taken and yet still the matter has not been resolved? What does this even mean to a victim that will not be made whole:

Interim Distributions: The first distributions planned by the liquidators will be to account holders with a DOGE or Bitcoin balance of higher than a certain threshold. The distribution will be of 50% of those account holders' cryptocurrency entitlement.

How much have Grant Thornton spent so far on this ridiculously expensive and elongated endeavour?

A New Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 20 February 2024
Link For The Grantthornton Update
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-20-february-2024/

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February 27, 2024, 09:33:48 PM
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Select your sale option.
My coins have a value of US$500 or less and I wish to sell to Cogito for C500 (five hundred Cog)
My coins have a value of over US$500 and I wish to sell to Cogito in exchange for Cog based on the current market value in euro.

Why cannot they pay us in DOGE? or even BTC???

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February 28, 2024, 06:16:13 PM
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I see that there are still those who hope that they will be able to claim their funds from Cryptopia.
Today I received this email from them, and it concerns the liquidation plans for 2024. I will transfer it here in full in case someone does not have access or is not informed

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Dear Cryptopia Account Holder,

We are emailing you directly to provide an update on the liquidation plans for 2024. This update addresses:
Communications from third parties (Epic Trust Limited, the Cogito Metaverse, Principality of Cogito) and assigning/selling your claim.
The use of Cryptopia's confidential information.
The intended timeline for distribution.
An update on the claims process.
1. Communications from third parties (Epic Trust Limited, the Cogito Metaverse, Principality of Cogito) and assigning/selling your claim
We understand that third parties have contacted account holders offering to purchase their Cryptopia entitlements in exchange for an obscure digital currency. This agreement requires the assignment or transfer of coins to that third party. 

We have been contacted by a number of account holders who have been confused about whether these third parties are related to the liquidators, Grant Thornton or Cryptopia.  These communications are not from the Liquidators and Account Holders should be very wary and cautious of any unsolicited third-party offers, especially from any named above.

We would like to remind all account holders that the only channels that we use to communicate with account holders about the Cryptopia liquidation are:
• Our website, https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/
• Emails sent from no-reply@cryptopia.co.nz
• The claims portal being https://portal.cryptopia.co.nz/
• Our Zendesk customer support portal being https://cryptopia.zendesk.com/

If you are unsure whether a communication is an official communication from us, please raise a helpdesk ticket in Zendesk. 

Assignment of claims
The sale and purchase agreement offered by these third parties mentioned includes the assignment of coins to that third party.

Under the historic terms and conditions of Cryptopia we note that clause 18.2(b) of Cryptopia's terms and conditions says that account holders “may not assign, transfer and/or subcontract any of your rights or obligations under these Terms.” Gendall J relied on these terms and conditions in the liquidators' first directions application in 2020 when he decided that the cryptocurrencies were held on trust by Cryptopia for the benefit of account holders.

Our position is that the Terms and Conditions remain in force, meaning that any assignment or transfer (including by sale) of an account holder's entitlements is not binding or enforceable. 

In regards to the assignment of claims we note that Epic Trust Limited, a Montenegrin company claiming to act for the Principality of Cogito, applied to be joined to the liquidators' directions application.  The Court declined Epic Trust Limited's application to be joined as a party.  The Court's judgment suggests that it is possible that:
The sale and purchase agreements might not be valid, because they do not have legal signatures on them and because the agreement is subject to the laws of the Principality of Cogito, a metaverse that is not a foreign jurisdiction recognised by the Court.
Account holders might not be able to assign their Cryptopia entitlements because of clause 18.2(b) of the terms and conditions.
We recommend that any account holders who have entered into a sale and purchase or assignment agreement with any of these third parties seek independent legal advice.

The full judgment regarding the joinder application can be read here:  Epic Trust Limited v Ruscoe [2024] NZHC 21 (24 January 2024)

2. Use of confidential Cryptopia information
In 2020, Victor Cattermole obtained confidential Cryptopia information from the High Court.  He was ordered to delete and return the information. He was held in contempt of court for breaches of Court orders relating to the information and gave undertakings to the Court intended to protect that information.

The liquidators believe that third parties related to him or controlled by him are using the confidential information to contact Cryptopia account holders.  Please be assured that we are taking appropriate steps to protect Cryptopia's and account holders' confidential information.
 
Relating to this matter the judgment and recent interim injunction orders against Mr Cattermole, Epic Trust Ltd and others can be read here:
• Judgement - Ruscoe & Others v Epic Trust Ltd & Others [2024] NZHC 165
• Interim Orders - Ruscoe & Others v Epic Trust Ltd & Others [2024] NZHC 165

Account holders should be very cautious about providing your Cryptopia account information to third parties.  The claims portal has been designed to verify each account holder's account ownership and identity, and it is very important that this sensitive process is protected. 

3. Intended timeline for distribution
We remain hopeful that most distributable assets will be returned to eligible account holders by the end of the 2024 year, but the timeframe for distribution will depend on when and what directions the Court makes following the directions hearing in November 2023. 

We encourage account holders to read the full submissions to understand the liquidators' intended distribution process: https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-2-november-2023/
 
We have also provided a brief summary below.  Please note that the Court has not made any orders yet.

Directions Application – the Court heard the liquidators' application for directions about distributing the cryptocurrency to account holders in November 2023.  The application was about:
How the cryptocurrency should be distributed to account holders.
How the costs associated with administering the cryptocurrency trusts should be fairly spread across each coin type and each account holder.
That, after giving reasonable notice, the liquidators are not required to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who do not register in or complete the Claims process despite the liquidators' best efforts.
Interim Distributions – the first distributions planned by the liquidators will be to account holders with a DOGE or Bitcoin balance of higher than a certain threshold.  The distribution will be of 50% of those account holders' cryptocurrency entitlement. 

Soft Cut Off Date – after the Court has made a decision on the directions application, the liquidators will give account holders notice of the Soft Cut Off Date. After the Soft Cut Off Date, any cryptocurrency belonging to account holders who have not registered in the claims portal will be considered "unclaimed holdings". The liquidators will use the unclaimed holdings to pay for the costs of trust administration, in the first instance. 

Phase 1 Distribution – all account holders who have a balance higher than their initial allocation of trust administration costs and who have completed the claims process will receive a distribution of their entitlement (with a deduction for trust administration costs, if there are any costs left after using the unclaimed holdings).  Subject to receiving legal directions this would occur after the interim distribution currently anticipated Q3 /Q4 2024.

Final Cut-Off Date -  the liquidators will give account holders notice that all account holders who have registered must complete the claims process.  After the Final Cut-Off Date, any cryptocurrency belonging to account holders who have not completed the claims portal will be considered 'unclaimed holdings".  The liquidators will use the unclaimed holdings to pay for the costs of trust administration. 

Phase 2 Distribution – the liquidators will recalculate how much of the unclaimed holdings can be used to pay for trust administration costs.  Account holders may receive a second distribution of cryptocurrency to refund them for all or part of the trust administration costs deducted in the Phase 1 distribution. 

We have asked the court to permit us to take no steps to distribute Cryptocurrency that has no value and is unable to contribute to the costs of trust administration.

The diagram below was attached to the submissions filed as part of the liquidators' directions application in November 2023.  It sets out a suggested timeline for distribution of cryptocurrency to eligible account holders: 

4. Claim process update
The Liquidators are advanced in the development of stage ‘4a.’ of the claims process:
#   Process   Details
1   Claims registration   Allows the registration of account holders' details
2   Identity verification   Verifies account holders' identities to the necessary verification standard
3   Balance acceptance   Provides account holders the opportunity to agree that Cryptopia records represent amounts due
4a   Asset Distribution – Wallet Address Collection   Allows eligible account holders to submit wallet addresses for each balance qualified to participate in Asset distribution
4b   Asset Distribution – Crypto-asset Return   Returns account holders assets proportional to distribution calculation
Wallet Address Collection will be launched for those qualifying and registered Bitcoin and Dogecoin holders in the coming weeks.

General information
As previously communicated to you if you are having trouble with the Claims Portal, please raise a ticket through the Cryptopia Customer Support Portal. This support portal is separate from the claims portal and can be accessed by any account holder, provided they register and click the “Sign Up” button on the page.

Lastly, we remind you that the only official communication from the Liquidators will be sent from the no-reply@cryptopia.co.nz email.  We will not send any communications relating to your claim from a different address.  Any communications not sent from this email are not from us and may be scams.

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February 28, 2024, 06:57:53 PM
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I remember my balance being around $100 to $150 at the time of the hack.

Why would I want to sell that for a questionable token like they are offering that I would only be able to sell for around $5??

I mean, isn't that the math being this?

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