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[gevp]

your whole complaint was you wagered 184btc there.and from that owner scammed you 4btc of your winnings,
you misled us. you started with 0.028btc and ended up with 1.23btc.

total wagered
https://web.archive.org/web/20170812221607/https://luckygames.io/user/GeVP

from reading what you posted. i assume you were making 1btc deposits and the site was stealing your money.

Reread my topic and do not assume anything more.


Also, you did not answer any of my questions

[1715681593]

1715681593

[dooglus]

Hi guys,

I need to share something with you.

My name is Mark, well known as p1AYER, 28 years old and I'm Ukrainian, currently living in Thailand.
From the age of 15, an amateur of the web development and servers administration.
I'm managing Luckygames with 4 servers and 30 cryptocurrencies by myself.
The design, program code, games and all the features you may saw at Luckygames have been written by myself.
I don't trust people too, that's why I never used to pay for a staff.

There were up to 10 huge attacks on Luckygames, that cost over 10 BTC for me. Despite this, Luckygames is still alive and will continue serving its players in the future.
And I'm not even upset, because it is ton of experience which I bought for just 10 BTC. I have 2 more businesses connecting to the crypto world, which allows me to keep Luckygames, even if it's not profitable.

Cells game is my favourite one on Luckygames. Before launching it, I didn't even thought that it could be easily cheated.
There were 156 cells available and 100 opened cells needed till the next round.
The player GeVP wrote a simple bot, that was opening cells using small bet amount (10 satoshis).
Once the bot founds, that the number of opened cells with zero multiplier was significantly higher than with 1.1+ multipliers, it started to place huge bets 0.01 BTC etc.
Therefore, the winning chance has been increased up to 70-90%. Whether it's attractive? - sure.
Take a look at his deposits and withdrawals history.

ID       TYPE         DATE               COIN     STATUS     TRANSACTION ID                                                     AMOUNT
497207   Withdrawal   2017-07-17 21:16   Bitcoin   Processed   b5babc2a4565a7b71a7fb1f4025074322f322aad7e2770c7241076fe964aa748   0.30000000 BTC
475931   Withdrawal   2017-07-14 18:03   Bitcoin   Processed   859bc983ddbc01a36a97aa418c750073c9888a75ebaff54b2e767a5eee86720f   0.10050000 BTC
469451   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 21:11   Bitcoin   Processed   4d87a603af9f2da9be0ce7a5cc1e7c8ce6494d77564cb128cde1a4ccb1f506ce   0.09500000 BTC
469318   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 20:48   Bitcoin   Processed   850db4d772ec7b8939e8ea4b4012ab7425a3e9447cb073485b4cc3e40db11cb9   0.09000000 BTC
468459   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 17:22   Bitcoin   Processed   571cc0914367e931097f33ea2434024926fcf31b1cc44e3036a0b30058711d35   0.00745635 BTC
444463   Deposit       2017-07-10 20:06   Bitcoin   Processed   5272ca214fb7918d1d3bf923ded634ff55c70214048dbebb5deccd2a168b5c32   0.15496024 BTC
431408   Withdrawal   2017-07-09 16:40   Bitcoin   Processed   c42db860b096c30aaff19314925133c21efc2dad3596deb045402800a01c32ab   0.25000000 BTC
317476   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 20:56   Bitcoin   Processed   fa58870b37613433fd9f22e2820a7ef8d76da772f6d33771731fdcb0911d5f2d   0.16303478 BTC
316800   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 18:57   Bitcoin   Processed   bd86a24a13d3af5ac6f07f6eb11c4855b7d565b2955ecba51d31dee7197f26ff   0.23000000 BTC
296906   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:34   Bitcoin   Processed   4971e06b81cafe8cdf9d2f9e30aae49331023e72064fd2a80ed3cc0a46e6d957   0.10512291 BTC
296835   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:12   Bitcoin   Processed   4f67bc9492c909a831209346eb870852327791db7d8e152c6ae42c2530d5da84   0.01500000 BTC
288505   Deposit       2017-06-24 11:13   Bitcoin   Processed   e4afb8fa24ca181dd8ace4938d38aa351a69cd5ece63d97fb379f3c6d53428d6   0.02877270 BTC

As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.
I know, that was a wrong way. I hope, that he would take the profit and won't play there, before I made the new update including fixes.
Unfortunately he continued playing, tried to cheat the website once again using accounts:
GeVP - 0.78027867 BTC profit
GeVPq - 0.35623531 BTC profit
GeVPfair - 0.00231441 BTC profit
GeVP3 - 0.03462817 BTC profit
GeVP2 - 0.06195488 BTC porift

Finally, he made 1.2354144 BTC profit, started from 0.02877270 BTC.

P.S. Luckygames is my favourite website, it's like a hobby. I'm spending a lot of free time developing the website to keep it going well. And I will not let someone to cheat on it.

Sincerely,
Mark.

Quoted entire post.

> As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.

From what you've said it doesn't look like he cheated at all. You offer a game which has odds that sometimes become favorable for the player and he was smart enough to figure out the best way of playing the game. That isn't cheating. People do the same thing with blackjack when they count cards.

When a casino finds someone making a profit from counting cards they can ask the player to stop playing, or they can fix the game (making blackjacks pay 6/5 instead of 2/1 for example, or using a continuous shuffling machine). What they don't do is get the dealer to cheat when adding up the values of the cards, and declare winning bets to be losing bets. *That* would be cheating.

You made a mistake offering a game with incorrect odds. It isn't reasonable to cheat a player who is playing the game correctly. Fix your game and repay the player(s) you cheated.

[game-protect]

Can someone please explain what multiplayer game means in this context?

If someone found a trick to win more, will the other players win less then?

[SyGambler]

the whole statement from the admin makes things shadier for me , I used to like luckygames and you can fine that I gambled there everyday in the last month
but the whole " As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him " makes it harder for me to keep playing and not suspect the future outcomes

I don't understand much in provably fair , but that sounds like a fishy thing to say
isn't that " the fast decision was to cheat on him " means that the games and the seeds aren't fair ??

[BayAreaCoins]

i wouldn't start betting and try to clean out the sites bankrolll like you did

I would have... if it is part of the game, then so be it.

Counting on bug bounties SUCKS.  I would strongly advise anyone from waiting on bug bounties when you can just take it.

BAC let's work on this and get the owner on the right track. we both know how big LG can get.

I agree.

BUT that player needs to be paid back what he has been cheated out of.

I will have to pull all my affiliate stuff if the player isn't paid back because that is dishonest.

I'm very proud of p1ayer for being honest... that takes a lot of guts, but not as much as making it right BTC wise.  

I would like to know if there were more players that got treated this way and if they could be compensated as well... hard to audit the site when it removes bets.

[BayAreaCoins]

the whole statement from the admin makes things shadier for me , I used to like luckygames and you can fine that I gambled there everyday in the last month
but the whole " As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him " makes it harder for me to keep playing and not suspect the future outcomes

I don't understand much in provably fair , but that sounds like a fishy thing to say
isn't that " the fast decision was to cheat on him " means that the games and the seeds aren't fair ??

They are fair... that is how it was caught.

So from the "bad" of all this... a good thing shines!  The proveable fair stuff works!

The owner fucked up, but he has been a man enough to say he did.  He's a young man that is obviously very talented... those type of people make mistakes on occasion, but not many of them cowboy up and fix it.

[BayAreaCoins]

Hi guys,

I need to share something with you.

My name is Mark, well known as p1AYER, 28 years old and I'm Ukrainian, currently living in Thailand.
From the age of 15, an amateur of the web development and servers administration.
I'm managing Luckygames with 4 servers and 30 cryptocurrencies by myself.
The design, program code, games and all the features you may saw at Luckygames have been written by myself.
I don't trust people too, that's why I never used to pay for a staff.

There were up to 10 huge attacks on Luckygames, that cost over 10 BTC for me. Despite this, Luckygames is still alive and will continue serving its players in the future.
And I'm not even upset, because it is ton of experience which I bought for just 10 BTC. I have 2 more businesses connecting to the crypto world, which allows me to keep Luckygames, even if it's not profitable.

Cells game is my favourite one on Luckygames. Before launching it, I didn't even thought that it could be easily cheated.
There were 156 cells available and 100 opened cells needed till the next round.
The player GeVP wrote a simple bot, that was opening cells using small bet amount (10 satoshis).
Once the bot founds, that the number of opened cells with zero multiplier was significantly higher than with 1.1+ multipliers, it started to place huge bets 0.01 BTC etc.
Therefore, the winning chance has been increased up to 70-90%. Whether it's attractive? - sure.
Take a look at his deposits and withdrawals history.

ID       TYPE         DATE               COIN     STATUS     TRANSACTION ID                                                     AMOUNT
497207   Withdrawal   2017-07-17 21:16   Bitcoin   Processed   b5babc2a4565a7b71a7fb1f4025074322f322aad7e2770c7241076fe964aa748   0.30000000 BTC
475931   Withdrawal   2017-07-14 18:03   Bitcoin   Processed   859bc983ddbc01a36a97aa418c750073c9888a75ebaff54b2e767a5eee86720f   0.10050000 BTC
469451   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 21:11   Bitcoin   Processed   4d87a603af9f2da9be0ce7a5cc1e7c8ce6494d77564cb128cde1a4ccb1f506ce   0.09500000 BTC
469318   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 20:48   Bitcoin   Processed   850db4d772ec7b8939e8ea4b4012ab7425a3e9447cb073485b4cc3e40db11cb9   0.09000000 BTC
468459   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 17:22   Bitcoin   Processed   571cc0914367e931097f33ea2434024926fcf31b1cc44e3036a0b30058711d35   0.00745635 BTC
444463   Deposit       2017-07-10 20:06   Bitcoin   Processed   5272ca214fb7918d1d3bf923ded634ff55c70214048dbebb5deccd2a168b5c32   0.15496024 BTC
431408   Withdrawal   2017-07-09 16:40   Bitcoin   Processed   c42db860b096c30aaff19314925133c21efc2dad3596deb045402800a01c32ab   0.25000000 BTC
317476   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 20:56   Bitcoin   Processed   fa58870b37613433fd9f22e2820a7ef8d76da772f6d33771731fdcb0911d5f2d   0.16303478 BTC
316800   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 18:57   Bitcoin   Processed   bd86a24a13d3af5ac6f07f6eb11c4855b7d565b2955ecba51d31dee7197f26ff   0.23000000 BTC
296906   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:34   Bitcoin   Processed   4971e06b81cafe8cdf9d2f9e30aae49331023e72064fd2a80ed3cc0a46e6d957   0.10512291 BTC
296835   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:12   Bitcoin   Processed   4f67bc9492c909a831209346eb870852327791db7d8e152c6ae42c2530d5da84   0.01500000 BTC
288505   Deposit       2017-06-24 11:13   Bitcoin   Processed   e4afb8fa24ca181dd8ace4938d38aa351a69cd5ece63d97fb379f3c6d53428d6   0.02877270 BTC

As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.
I know, that was a wrong way. I hope, that he would take the profit and won't play there, before I made the new update including fixes.
Unfortunately he continued playing, tried to cheat the website once again using accounts:
GeVP - 0.78027867 BTC profit
GeVPq - 0.35623531 BTC profit
GeVPfair - 0.00231441 BTC profit
GeVP3 - 0.03462817 BTC profit
GeVP2 - 0.06195488 BTC porift

Finally, he made 1.2354144 BTC profit, started from 0.02877270 BTC.

P.S. Luckygames is my favourite website, it's like a hobby. I'm spending a lot of free time developing the website to keep it going well. And I will not let someone to cheat on it.

Sincerely,
Mark.

Quoted entire post.

> As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.

From what you've said it doesn't look like he cheated at all. You offer a game which has odds that sometimes become favorable for the player and he was smart enough to figure out the best way of playing the game. That isn't cheating. People do the same thing with blackjack when they count cards.

When a casino finds someone making a profit from counting cards they can ask the player to stop playing, or they can fix the game (making blackjacks pay 6/5 instead of 2/1 for example, or using a continuous shuffling machine). What they don't do is get the dealer to cheat when adding up the values of the cards, and declare winning bets to be losing bets. *That* would be cheating.

You made a mistake offering a game with incorrect odds. It isn't reasonable to cheat a player who is playing the game correctly. Fix your game and repay the player(s) you cheated.

quoted as well

[SyGambler]

the whole statement from the admin makes things shadier for me , I used to like luckygames and you can fine that I gambled there everyday in the last month
but the whole " As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him " makes it harder for me to keep playing and not suspect the future outcomes

I don't understand much in provably fair , but that sounds like a fishy thing to say
isn't that " the fast decision was to cheat on him " means that the games and the seeds aren't fair ??

They are fair... that is how it was caught.

So from the "bad" of all this... a good thing shines!  The proveable fair stuff works!

The owner fucked up, but he has been a man enough to say he did.  He's a young man that is obviously very talented... those type of people make mistakes on occasion, but not many of them cowboy up and fix it.

idk man I don't know much stuff about provably fair , but how did the admin cheat the player ??
doesn't that mean he changed the outcome of the seed ?? or what did exactly happened ??

this is the first time I see an admin saying such thing , the usual act admin do is suspending players and froze their money at worse

[LuckyLuke1]

Rather I have not met someone else who wrote that the Admin is cheating, only with people who write it on every page when they lose 0.0001 btc. Admin follows a quick decision (as he wrote) when the geVP player used (error or bot - my English is weak, so I do not understand everything). In my opinion this is a good decision because the player gevp is unfair to the players and the site: Finally you used this advantage for your purpose and made a good profit.


@BayAreaCoins: You wrote that Admin should return everything to him, but what should he return? He was not honest we can see a list of payments and withdrawals .. There is nothing to return


Deposit    2017-06-24 11:13       0.02877270 BTC
Withdraw 2017-06-25 08:12    0.01500000 BTC
Withdraw 2017-06-25 08:34    0.10512291 BTC
Withdraw  2017-06-27 18:57  0.23000000 BTC
withdraw 2017-06-27 20:56    0.16303478 BTC
Withdraw 2017-07-09 16:40    0.25000000 BTC

The owner fucked up, but he has been a man enough to say he did.  He's a young man that is obviously very talented...

This is good words

[joksim299]

Can someone please explain what multiplayer game means in this context?

If someone found a trick to win more, will the other players win less then?

Multiplayer game means that all players played on the same field to win same prizes.
In this case other players are also affected.

[cwil]

Multiplayer game means that all players played on the same field to win same prizes.
In this case other players are also affected.

That's misleading.  He asked if other players would win less as a result of gevp's advantage play, and they would not.  Of course players are affected by each other player's game play, that's the nature of this kind of game.  This strategy is meant to quickly clear out zero paying cells, resulting in everyone receiving better odds regardless of whether they understood the strategy.

[jpcfan]

Multiplayer game means that all players played on the same field to win same prizes.
In this case other players are also affected.

That's misleading.  He asked if other players would win less as a result of gevp's advantage play, and they would not.  Of course players are affected by each other player's game play, that's the nature of this kind of game.  This strategy is meant to quickly clear out zero paying cells, resulting in everyone receiving better odds regardless of whether they understood the strategy.

here's a question i have. how can someone who deposits 0.023btc wager 178BTC from it?


i been gambling for 4 year. wagered over 4000 btc. but that took four years.

this guy wagered 178 BTC from a deposit of 0.023btc. he was only playing there a week or two

[Muttley]

Hi Admin,
I just paste the following message at English chat, because I thought it was great news about altcoins and crypto world, and Mod Savitar banned for 10 minutes. Is this spam? Or he can't read English?

Good news: In an industry first, Overstock.com (NASDAQ:OSTK) will now accept altcoins, in addition to Bitcoin, as payment. Customers will have the option to pay with dozens of cryptocurrencies, including Ethereum, Ripple, Dash, and Bitcoin Cash. Overstock.com has accepted Bitcoin since 2014, and its CEO, Patrick Byrne, is a long-time advocate for bringing cryptos into the retail space.To process payments, Overstock.com has partnered with Shapeshift.io, a Swiss cryptocurrency processor. At checkout, customers will have the option to place their orders with a desired altcoin, which Shapeshift will then convert into Bitcoin and transfer to Overstock.com. The refund process will be similar, with customers having the option to receive payment in either Bitcoin or their desired altcoin.

Please don't estipulate quotas to ban members, because Mods can ban members for any message they can't understand.

[Brinkerhoff]

Mark I read the story about you and I understand you've had a few people take advantage of you're site but it doesn't mean everyone that wins big is cheating. Thats the point of a casino... People don't gamble there money just to make a little money they're playing to get lucky and win big like me. Now I don't want to ruin your reputation because this site has something going good for it but you do need to listen to your players and give them a chance to prove themselves right if you suspect they are cheating. You didn't give any chances to prove myself right you just put the hammer on me and said I found a Bug and abused it witch is not true at all. Did you ever find the bug and fix it? I don't thinks. I even asked for a refund not even for the money I won and you still just ignored me. That is not good for the sites rep

[jpcfan]

screenshot #`1



screenshot #2



screenshot #3



GeVP is scamming other sites.



i had a feeling this guy was up to something


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2018816.msg20791532#msg20791532

[jpcfan]

screenshot #1



screenshot #2






i'm sure there are more. like i said GeVP is shady.

[LuckyLuke1]

Good job for find that!

[gocrypto]

How long will be MAINTENANCE?

[kolloh]

I've been wary of this site ever since the beginning when they altered promotions while they were active and ended contests early.

Deliberately cheating visitors in this manner is really bad though. If it was done once, it will likely be done in the future in other circumstances where the house is losing. Definitely best to stay away in my opinion.

[LuckyLuke1]

I've been wary of this site ever since the beginning when they altered promotions while they were active and ended contests early.

Deliberately cheating visitors in this manner is really bad though. If it was done once, it will likely be done in the future in other circumstances where the house is losing. Definitely best to stay away in my opinion.

I think it was one and last critical situation where player try use bug for get a huge profit