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November 09, 2010, 01:44:09 AM
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The hoops they have to go through now is too much.  I want to offer a bitcoin button on one of my sites, but noone is gonna bother paying with it if it takes some crazy stuff to get them.   We need convenience.

IDEA: MAKE EVERY SMALL BUSINESS A BITCOIN EXCHANGE - WHAT DO YOU THINK??
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November 09, 2010, 01:45:00 AM
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http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1411.0

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November 09, 2010, 01:47:20 AM
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I think he's talking about making it easier for users to get bitcoins in the first place.
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November 09, 2010, 01:47:54 AM
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I agree, but because of anti-money-laundering laws it is difficult to do legally in the US.

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November 09, 2010, 03:13:36 AM
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Anyone who wants to sell a good or service for coins can do it in a minute with mybitcoin or mtgox. For a little more effort they can automate it.

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November 09, 2010, 03:46:33 AM
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Can we start a page somewhere that people can list themselves as available to buy bitcoins from in person with their zip code or city or something?

http://media.witcoin.com/p/1608/8----This-is-nuts

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November 09, 2010, 03:52:21 AM
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Can we start a page somewhere that people can list themselves as available to buy bitcoins from in person with their zip code or city or something?

Genius idea.  We need street bitcoin traders.  That will actually make it possible.
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November 09, 2010, 03:54:06 AM
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Anyone who wants to sell a good or service for coins can do it in a minute with mybitcoin or mtgox. For a little more effort they can automate it.

The problem is the customer that does not have any coins yet.  How can he easily get them?
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November 09, 2010, 03:55:59 AM
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Adding on brocktice's idea - what if we would get normal everyday stores to sell bitcoins for cash and vica versa?  'I'd like a bread and 50 bitcoins please'.
In the end all the money thats being circulated would be replaced by bitcoins!!

MAKE EVERY SMALL BUSINESS A BITCOIN EXCHANGE

YES!!
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November 09, 2010, 04:20:26 AM
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Reminds me of something I saw in the Philippines...

In a dusty little stall in the corner of the market sits a woman with a cell phone.  If one of the locals wants to buy a few minutes of airtime or a bundle of text messages for the equivalent of about a quarter, they give a coin to the girl, type their number into her phone, and she sends them the airtime.  The whole transaction takes about 30 seconds, and the woman makes a living by taking a small percentage of the transaction.
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November 09, 2010, 04:27:06 AM
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http://randomwalker.info/misc/ccs-location-privacy.pdf

What would really work is a privacy aware proximity app for a mobile so that you know when your friends are near you but the location is encrypted for everyone else.

Then exchanging bitcoins would look like two people meeting for a coffee...when in reality they are internet banking!


http://crypto.stanford.edu/locpriv/

This was released not long ago it has an android client. I think it should be part of a bitcoin toolkit for your phone then we can setup physical drops.

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We study privacy-preserving tests for proximity: Alice can test if she is close to Bob without either party revealing any other information about each other's location. We describe several secure protocols that support private proximity testing at various levels of granularity. We introduce the concept of location tags generated from the physical environment in order to strengthen the security of proximity testing. We implemented our system on the Android platform and report on its effectiveness. Our system uses a social network (Facebook) to manage user public keys. We argue that for proximity testing, social networks are better suited for managing user keys than traditional PKI.
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November 09, 2010, 05:12:36 AM
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Can we start a page somewhere that people can list themselves as available to buy bitcoins from in person with their zip code or city or something?

Great idea, let us know when you have it ready.  I'll start, my zip code is 40219.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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November 09, 2010, 06:58:02 AM
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I buy bitcoins in London
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November 09, 2010, 07:19:28 AM
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I can probably get my brother to deliver bitcoins for cash in NYC in December. I am on Oahu, Hawaii.

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 Bitcoins for cash in Lima, Peru
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November 09, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
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I can buy or sell bitcoins for cash in Paris, France.
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November 09, 2010, 12:02:32 PM
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I could probably travel to Melbourne,Australia to exchange bitcoins. Smiley

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November 09, 2010, 12:25:52 PM
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This community is still too sparse to support a face-to-face economy. Maybe a good place to start the first local Bitcoin economy would be a university campus.

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November 09, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
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Meet me at Flinders St Station!  Cheesy

Here is a photo of noagendamarket at Flinders St Station. Drop your money onto the mat, and he punches the transaction into that keypad he's wearing.
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November 09, 2010, 01:17:00 PM
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I'm in St. Paul, MN 55117.

Should I start a page on the wiki?

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November 09, 2010, 02:47:38 PM
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This community is still too sparse to support a face-to-face economy. Maybe a good place to start the first local Bitcoin economy would be a university campus.

This would be nice.  Unfortunately I'm not a student anymore.  I hope that some young people will learn about bitcoins and get enthousiastic about that.  Young people have indeed access to large places were they can gather and exchange stuffs.  They could indeed trade bitcoins.
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November 09, 2010, 02:49:53 PM
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Genius idea.  We need street bitcoin traders.  That will actually make it possible.

What would really work is a privacy aware proximity app for a mobile so that you know when your friends are near you but the location is encrypted for everyone else.

Then exchanging bitcoins would look like two people meeting for a coffee...when in reality they are internet banking!

https://squareup.com/
Take credit, send coins. All from a smartphone. Customers could carry a 2D barcode with their address on it so it can be scanned with a smartphone camera for easy input.
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November 09, 2010, 03:46:44 PM
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I wonder: You ready to exchange bitcoin with your local currency but are not willing to do the same using specially designed site ( http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1485.0 ) becouse you afraid that this is breaking the law.

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November 10, 2010, 03:36:08 AM
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Can we start a page somewhere that people can list themselves as available to buy bitcoins from in person with their zip code or city or something?

OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I would be thrilled if you guys would use this site. If there is genuine interest, I'll be willing to invest more time into making improvements that anyone suggests.

It's currently free to register and use.
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November 10, 2010, 03:47:59 AM
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Can we start a page somewhere that people can list themselves as available to buy bitcoins from in person with their zip code or city or something?

OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I would be thrilled if you guys would use this site. If there is genuine interest, I'll be willing to invest more time into making improvements that anyone suggests.

It's currently free to register and use.

Oh, it wasn't clear to me that this was going to be for physical locations. I thought it was just another classified site.

I think it is a little early to expect to find someone near you and with something you want to trade. Why not just stress the location part instead of the trading part. Then when a lucky coincidence happens they can meet for coffee, have sex, or just know there is a bitcoiner around the corner.

So maybe call the site BitMap (lol, or not), have people pin their locations on and use an email mask like craigslist?

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November 10, 2010, 03:49:38 AM
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asdf, I just used the new Bitcoin Block Explorer on your address on the site and you've got nothing! I sent one :-)

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November 10, 2010, 03:51:29 AM
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OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

Do you know #bitcoin-otc? If I understood correctly, your goals seem quite similar. If so, I hope you'll find a way to collaborate with each other, or maybe merge.

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November 10, 2010, 04:10:34 AM
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Meet me at Flinders St Station!  Cheesy

Here is a photo of noagendamarket at Flinders St Station. Drop your money onto the mat, and he punches the transaction into that keypad he's wearing.

haha! Im not that far advanced. I actually carry an abacus.

Would you buy a bitcoin from this guy?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/2769869937_4f7af29d0d.jpg?v=0
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November 10, 2010, 04:23:40 AM
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I'm in St. Paul, MN 55117.

Should I start a page on the wiki?


I think there is a plugin that lets you do a community map.



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November 10, 2010, 08:24:36 AM
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OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I told You already what is wrong with it, this website is terrible and untrustworthy.
Looks very unprofessional.

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OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I told You already what is wrong with it, this website is terrible and untrustworthy.
Looks very unprofessional.

Yeah, I went there and used it.  It's not very intuitive, and looks like an abandoned high school computer class project.  Needs refinement.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I told You already what is wrong with it, this website is terrible and untrustworthy.
Looks very unprofessional.

Looks unprofessional?

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Site itself looks good to me.. maybe it's the domain name thats stopping you Smiley .cz.cc
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OMG! I developed a whole web site for exactly this puropse a month ago and nobody uses it. I didn't do a very good job of promoting it, I have to admit:
www.bitswap.cz.cc

I told You already what is wrong with it, this website is terrible and untrustworthy.
Looks very unprofessional.

Looks unprofessional?

Looks crappy to be precise.

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I told You already what is wrong with it, this website is terrible and untrustworthy.
Looks very unprofessional.

Looks unprofessional?

Looks crappy to be precise.

Ahh... nothing beats good old non-constructive feedback. Wink

I don't think it LOOKS bad, but seems rather unusable (why need to register?, can't you just let people post messages that you review before showing them on the website?).
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