Gravitate selling "FUNDED" coins that are NOT FUNDED

[bitenvy]

Summary of what happened:
I purchased a set of Microsoul physical bitcoin funded coins.  But after selling one of them to another user, they redeemed it.  The private/public keys were not as described and the coin was NOT FUNDED).

Gravitate's Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89189

Gravitate's Trust summary Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=89189

Amount Scammed:
0.243BTC

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

Details of the scam:

I have proof that the user Gravitate is selling "Funded" Microsoul coins that are NOT funded.  I had purchased two of his Microsoul Russian Roulette Series 3 coins.  One was a Silver 1oz Russian roulette series 3 coin #6 (SRR1) and one was a silver plated brass Russian roulette series 3 coin #6 (BRR3).  SRR1/BRR1 and SRR2/SRR2 were sold as lottery coins (non-funded).  SRR3 coins were sold as funded (non-lottery).  I was the only person who bought a SRR3 and BRR3 “funded” coin.  The SRR3 coins were (supposed to be) funded with 0.16BTC and the BRR3 coin was (supposed to be) funded with 0.083BTC.  I received the coins many months ago supplied with the public addresses of:  

http://blockr.io/address/info/1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm  (SRR3 #6 - 0.16BTC)
and
http://blockr.io/address/info/1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah (BRR3 #6 - 0.083BTC)

I recently sold both of these coins.  One was sold to Digicoinuser (SRR3) via escrow (OgNasty) and one to chronicsky (BRR3).  Digicoinuser redeemed the coin after receiving it and found that the private did not match the public key that gravitate provided originally and there were no funds when trying to sweep the private key to his wallet.  The ACTUAL public key of SRR3 #6 was 1iWE27m4WYDX4hZeyHSKPAuN4mcnKKLEJ which has 0BTC balance.  Digicoinuser supplied a video of the coin that he redeemed and I can vouch that it was my coin that he attempted to redeem.  My escrow funds were in limbo because I sold a “funded” coin that was not funded.  I was getting blamed for fraud in an innocent situation.  I, of course, did not know it was unfunded because I had trusted gravitate who created these coins with funding.  According to gravitate, my coins he sold to me were supposed to be labeled as ‘#6 SRR3’ and ‘#6 BRR3’ in RED text.  My coins were shipped with BLACK ‘#6 SRR3’ and #6 BRR3.  Nowhere on his sales page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410698.0) does he state that my coins (SRR3/BRR3) were sold with RED text.  One of his pictures on the first page shows BRR3 #5 in BLACK text.  According to gravitate, he shipped my coins to MinerJones and they were lost.  Why would he ship MY coins to another user???  He did not.  He shipped MinerJones'  SRR1/BRR1 #6 coins.   But, later changed his story and said he shipped me the “wrong coins”.  Then he admitted to having a THIRD SET of coins that were supposed to be mine with red SRR3/BRR3 #6 text.    Wow!!!



ONLY ONE OF THESE COINS WERE SOLD AND IT WAS MINE!  He then has the audacity to blame me for even having this coin that I paid for DIRECTLY FROM HIM.  My coin was NEVER LOST as he surmises!  So, how is this my problem or issue?

I have asked for video proof that he still has the coins.  I want video proof of the peeling of my ‘real’ coins hologram and sweeping of the funds supposedly on these coin addresses above!  That will prove he has the coins and it was a mistake.  He refuses to do so.  Instead, he is offering these coins not to me but to Digicoinuser and chronicsky as a ‘peace offering’ and to make everyone except me happy.  How nice!     Funding "mistake" is unacceptable when selling coins in a professional manner.

I have also had MANY other problems, delays/excuses with shipping, delays/excuses with funding coins, shipping my coins to other parties, etc.  I have had nothing but problems ordering from gravitate.  
 
How many more of his "funded" coins are unfunded?  I may find out if/when I redeem all of my coins.  I will take video recording of every redemption if I do and post them if I find any others that are not funded.  I really don’t want to have to do this because I bought these coins for collectible reasons.  But, all of my interactions, the excuses, the stories, the delays rub me the wrong way like with Coinographics.  I have been screwed over one time too many already.

All of the above can be verified with OgNasty and/or digicoinuser as they were fully involved in the discussion/sale of the SRR3 #6 coin.

One more thing I'd like to add.  Gravitate never finished the "Gold Digger" series (4 and 5) of coins he was supposed to release.  This should be another separate scam accusation in and of itself.  The final prize was for 5BTC for solving a puzzle that was required for you to buy ALL of the Series coins (1-5).  Series 4 and series 5 coins were never produced and will never be produced as gravitate says he is done making coins.  Hmm, I wonder why.    


This is a warning to everyone with Microsoul "funded" coins and any dealing with gravitate!  BEWARE!
The coins can no longer be trusted to be funded and any business dealings with gravitate are at your own risk!

Here are some other pictures to support my accusation:


"#6 SRR" BLACK TEXT (my coin sold to digicoinuser)


"#6 SRR" BLACK TEXT (Hologram peeled by Digicoinuser)


"#6 SRR" Private key


"#6 BRR" BLACK TEXT (my coin sold to chronicsky)


"#5 SRR" BLACK TEXT (not my coin)

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[Lauda]

Another day, another shady coin creator. Nothing surprising here. I've given them a negative rating. Even if they repay you said amount, the rating should stay due to very shady behavior (IMO).

[gravitate]

There were 3 series of coins made. SRR1, SRR2 and SRR3

Visibly the only difference was the colors in the window of the coin.  

SRR1 - black
SRR2-  Blue
SRR3 - Red

as seen from my original post:


SRR1
Silver Russian Roulette 1
Material: 999 fine Silver
Weight: 1 Troy Oz
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule. 5 coins will be loaded with 0 BTC and one lucky coin will be loaded with 1 BTC

Price will be 110 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included.
SOLD OUT


BRR1
Bronze Russian Roulette 1
Material: Bronze
Weight: N/A
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule. 5 coins will be loaded with 0 BTC and 1 coin will be loaded with 0.5 BTC


Price will be 50 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included.
SOLD OUT

SRR2
Silver Russian Roulette 1
Material: 999 fine Silver
Weight: 1 Troy Oz
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule. The BTC value per set will be 1 BTC which will be distributed by chance. Please note the distribution of 1 BTC is subject to change based on sales.

Price will be 110 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included.


SRR2
Bronze Russian Roulette 1
Material: Bronze
Weight: N/A
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule. The BTC value per set will be 0.5 BTC which will be distributed by chance. Please note the distribution of 0.5 BTC is subject to change based on sales.

Price will be 50 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included.


SRR3
Silver Russian Roulette 1
Material: 999 fine Silver
Weight: 1 Troy Oz
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule.

Price will be 110 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included. 0.16BTC on each Coin No Lottery


BRR3
Bronze Russian Roulette 1
Material: Bronze
Weight: N/A
Description- These coins will come in an air tight capsule.

Price will be 50 Pounds EACH tracked shipping included. 0.083 BTC will be loaded on each coin. No Lottery


Here are some photos of SRR2 and SRR3 you see the ONLY difference is the color in the sticker window (included are the ones I should have sent to bitenvy (the red color):

http://imgur.com/Auh4DKc

http://imgur.com/lGtutXi


http://imgur.com/6dmcqab



You can see the SRR1 that  we are dealing with are Black.




So basically I did not scam bitenvy I  sent him the wrong set of coins. The set of coins were supposed to go to Miner Jones. Anyway I Refunded MJ for these as I thought they were lost.. But now they have turned back up.

So these are the full public addresses of the coins I made:

SRR2
1 13ga6yFeEXP1n2HVpF6QsqQPu4rQD9N6D7
2 1GbX3Ru9yJeWi9cy8pTgbTuwzecNdruVhC
3 1BndXxv2FwTYv9dGCqPmy3xPPMvsGcAoMn
4 1NW3oFtXfaDjmse1T8YojCJJDG9JaszkEK
5 175oJK95thsNC9M7MESZe61EVR3hdpCvm4
6 1PrVHHqo1586Qq5zkF8JAtnqiY4FGUrkfL

BRR2
1 1L23rbiQLy45u6eAGbqYKLmzGM5nHrsZnt
2 1Evp7XHXdKLCghDn4KTKwkyGnndwDYJJwc
3 1CYMTmg9G4sGbhZd7Yy5q9XnZG2YvbpzEF
4 1cvmiULBAhw7wgmfPkGsXsf6CTDZ8aH7a
5 1LDJCo2PmU9zzsChtQVP2hy2rKUU6gy3yK
 6 1AqpQpgcWY51Lenwjykm47ywcg6S8giaUM

SRR3

1 1JvDE7CcWBu8onfk3ueN69X5dVvMJfdAEf
2 1u3WumNCsQaJDVGKqmHgBDNKULGSjtwNQ
3 1J6YN8ztiCNPvBmw64Pp9h5MihzYFimx7o
4 1MMrLrgttFTBGyUw6MnKLNNPmpF6oSgz2E
5 1Dm7JKigEYmtMFWQufwqZXMY2ZZxPXXhtL
6 1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm


BRR3


1 1NWwiqd3wbvrmC9nKxfrVy3k82DjHb3pPr
2 1MwGfQHJ2ntidJwfCk4t2Ws3mubg3VtSxu
3 1KxZSDLPFfr8znzrDTqf5b4Z1LtJYrVy3p
4 115E53BvWg8J9vjKktpwYyQt7Ro9pk9ewj
5 12QU3LFBGTpg7YZC5rHp3F1Vk3madgpAWq
6 1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah



I never made SRR1 or BRR1 public becasue from the order then people will be able to see who has won. I can release the public keys and even name the winner if neccessary but I dont think the coin holders would be happy.


What I could do to PROVE it is release the public key of chronisky's BRR1 and then if I am correct this scam accusation is void.

But I am open to suggestions if we can also take into account minimal damage to the other coin holders of SRR1 and BRR1.

Thanks for your consideration and sorry about this mess. It is my fault I sent bitenvy the wrong set of coins. But I did not try scam anyone.

[Fortify]

I first bought coins off Gravitate 3 years ago and still love the original Microsoul coins, however there was the odd occasion where he took a long time to fund the coins. I think it started going down hill with the 2016 coins and there were too many series were produced in such a small time. You deserve a full refund and Microsoul needs to tie up these loose ends before retiring.

It is unacceptable how you've been treated, but I don't think demonising every coin manufacturer who slips up is the right way to handle the situation and could lead to further losses if their reputation is left in tatters. The situation with Microsoul has been known for a few months and it seems like he overstretched, but lying about funding is a definite issue.

[gravitate]

I first bought coins off Gravitate 3 years ago and still love the original Microsoul coins, however there was the odd occasion where he took a long time to fund the coins. I think it started going down hill with the 2016 coins and there were too many series were produced in such a small time. You deserve a full refund and Microsoul needs to tie up these loose ends before retiring.

It is unacceptable how you've been treated, but I don't think demonising every coin manufacturer who slips up is the right way to handle the situation and could lead to further losses if their reputation is left in tatters. The situation with Microsoul has been known for a few months and it seems like he overstretched, but lying about funding is a definite issue.

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

[Fortify]

I first bought coins off Gravitate 3 years ago and still love the original Microsoul coins, however there was the odd occasion where he took a long time to fund the coins. I think it started going down hill with the 2016 coins and there were too many series were produced in such a small time. You deserve a full refund and Microsoul needs to tie up these loose ends before retiring.

It is unacceptable how you've been treated, but I don't think demonising every coin manufacturer who slips up is the right way to handle the situation and could lead to further losses if their reputation is left in tatters. The situation with Microsoul has been known for a few months and it seems like he overstretched, but lying about funding is a definite issue.

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

I'm on your side and even with the odd funding issues, I still love your coins. I don't think there is any reason to bring up legal action as I'm sure bitenvy will take the thread down with an adequate resolution. It sometimes requires a thread like this to spur manufacturers to action and once it's resolved, everyone can move on.

[markj113]

Personally I have never had a problem with gravitate and his coin sales.

Had an issue with one previously (my mistake) and his comms were prompt and helpful.

[defcon23]

I really sincerely don't see any "scam" here ... in any way.  
Gravitate is someone more than trustable ! he has a long history of trading , in so many trades with so many people here ( and also outside this forum ) , and I never ever heard about any "scam" .
that's funny to see people who have never got any real trade history opening their mouth for yelling to "scam" ...
errors are human,   gravitate is a human . as long he handles his errors  in a professional and honest way ( what he had always done ) I really don't see the purpose of this hating "burn the witch" spirit.  ( apart from the evident desire to put the head of someone under water..)
once again , gravitate is NOT a scammer , and I'm 100% sure everybody here perfectly knows this.
once again , this "hate" game seems to became like a sort of sport around here... That's just sad.
NOT a scammer
finaly it seem to be "trustable",today,  you need to be a sort of hating troll , without any real trade history , and licking the ass of the few "powerfull"  users around here, running signature campaigns, and building account farming..
bitcointalk trust ranking is became like an abused hating game .. this need to be changed . ( i hope ..)



Deffy

[gravitate]

Summary of what happened:
I purchased a set of Microsoul physical bitcoin funded coins.  But after selling one of them to another user, they redeemed it.  The private/public keys were not as described and the coin was NOT FUNDED).

Gravitate's Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89189

Gravitate's Trust summary Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=89189

Amount Scammed:
0.243BTC

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

Details of the scam:

I have proof that the user Gravitate is selling "Funded" Microsoul coins that are NOT funded.  I had purchased two of his Microsoul Russian Roulette Series 3 coins.  One was a Silver 1oz Russian roulette series 3 coin #6 (SRR1) and one was a silver plated brass Russian roulette series 3 coin #6 (BRR3).  SRR1/BRR1 and SRR2/SRR2 were sold as lottery coins (non-funded).  SRR3 coins were sold as funded (non-lottery).  I was the only person who bought a SRR3 and BRR3 “funded” coin.  The SRR3 coins were (supposed to be) funded with 0.16BTC and the BRR3 coin was (supposed to be) funded with 0.083BTC.  I received the coins many months ago supplied with the public addresses of:  

http://blockr.io/address/info/1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm  (SRR3 #6 - 0.16BTC)
and
http://blockr.io/address/info/1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah (BRR3 #6 - 0.083BTC)

I recently sold both of these coins.  One was sold to Digicoinuser (SRR3) via escrow (OgNasty) and one to chronicsky (BRR3).  Digicoinuser redeemed the coin after receiving it and found that the private did not match the public key that gravitate provided originally and there were no funds when trying to sweep the private key to his wallet.  The ACTUAL public key of SRR3 #6 was 1iWE27m4WYDX4hZeyHSKPAuN4mcnKKLEJ which has 0BTC balance.  Digicoinuser supplied a video of the coin that he redeemed and I can vouch that it was my coin that he attempted to redeem.  My escrow funds were in limbo because I sold a “funded” coin that was not funded.  I was getting blamed for fraud in an innocent situation.  I, of course, did not know it was unfunded because I had trusted gravitate who created these coins with funding.  According to gravitate, my coins he sold to me were supposed to be labeled as ‘#6 SRR3’ and ‘#6 BRR3’ in RED text.  My coins were shipped with BLACK ‘#6 SRR3’ and #6 BRR3.  Nowhere on his sales page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410698.0) does he state that my coins (SRR3/BRR3) were sold with RED text.  One of his pictures on the first page shows BRR3 #5 in BLACK text.  According to gravitate, he shipped my coins to MinerJones and they were lost.  Why would he ship MY coins to another user???  He did not.  He shipped MinerJones'  SRR1/BRR1 #6 coins.   But, later changed his story and said he shipped me the “wrong coins”.  Then he admitted to having a THIRD SET of coins that were supposed to be mine with red SRR3/BRR3 #6 text.    Wow!!!



ONLY ONE OF THESE COINS WERE SOLD AND IT WAS MINE!  He then has the audacity to blame me for even having this coin that I paid for DIRECTLY FROM HIM.  My coin was NEVER LOST as he surmises!  So, how is this my problem or issue?

I have asked for video proof that he still has the coins.  I want video proof of the peeling of my ‘real’ coins hologram and sweeping of the funds supposedly on these coin addresses above!  That will prove he has the coins and it was a mistake.  He refuses to do so.  Instead, he is offering these coins not to me but to Digicoinuser and chronicsky as a ‘peace offering’ and to make everyone except me happy.  How nice!     Funding "mistake" is unacceptable when selling coins in a professional manner.

I have also had MANY other problems, delays/excuses with shipping, delays/excuses with funding coins, shipping my coins to other parties, etc.  I have had nothing but problems ordering from gravitate.  
 
How many more of his "funded" coins are unfunded?  I may find out if/when I redeem all of my coins.  I will take video recording of every redemption if I do and post them if I find any others that are not funded.  I really don’t want to have to do this because I bought these coins for collectible reasons.  But, all of my interactions, the excuses, the stories, the delays rub me the wrong way like with Coinographics.  I have been screwed over one time too many already.

All of the above can be verified with OgNasty and/or digicoinuser as they were fully involved in the discussion/sale of the SRR3 #6 coin.

One more thing I'd like to add.  Gravitate never finished the "Gold Digger" series (4 and 5) of coins he was supposed to release.  This should be another separate scam accusation in and of itself.  The final prize was for 5BTC for solving a puzzle that was required for you to buy ALL of the Series coins (1-5).  Series 4 and series 5 coins were never produced and will never be produced as gravitate says he is done making coins.  Hmm, I wonder why.    


This is a warning to everyone with Microsoul "funded" coins and any dealing with gravitate!  BEWARE!
The coins can no longer be trusted to be funded and any business dealings with gravitate are at your own risk!

Here are some other pictures to support my accusation:


"#6 SRR" BLACK TEXT (my coin sold to digicoinuser)


"#6 SRR" BLACK TEXT (Hologram peeled by Digicoinuser)


"#6 SRR" Private key


"#6 BRR" BLACK TEXT (my coin sold to chronicsky)


"#5 SRR" BLACK TEXT (not my coin)

Also for the gold digger series and the 5 bitcoin prize I have decided to finish the series after all but as the coins will be gold I will take a deposit for reserving one and will get them made when 10 people have reserved.

[bitenvy]

There were 3 series of coins made. SRR1, SRR2 and SRR3

Visibly the only difference was the colors in the window of the coin.  

SRR1 - black
SRR2-  Blue
SRR3 - Red

as seen from my original post:


SRR1
Silver Russian Roulette 1

BRR1
Bronze Russian Roulette 1

SRR2
Silver Russian Roulette 1

SRR2
Bronze Russian Roulette 1

SRR3
Silver Russian Roulette 1

BRR3
Bronze Russian Roulette 1

Here are some photos of SRR2 and SRR3 you see the ONLY difference is the color in the sticker window (included are the ones I should have sent to bitenvy (the red color):

http://imgur.com/Auh4DKc

http://imgur.com/lGtutXi

http://imgur.com/6dmcqab



You can see the SRR1 that  we are dealing with are Black.


So basically I did not scam bitenvy I  sent him the wrong set of coins. The set of coins were supposed to go to Miner Jones. Anyway I Refunded MJ for these as I thought they were lost.. But now they have turned back up.

What I could do to PROVE it is release the public key of chronisky's BRR1 and then if I am correct this scam accusation is void.

But I am open to suggestions if we can also take into account minimal damage to the other coin holders of SRR1 and BRR1.

Thanks for your consideration and sorry about this mess. It is my fault I sent bitenvy the wrong set of coins. But I did not try scam anyone.

First, so you are telling me the color of the FONT ON YOUR SALES PAGE IDENTIFIES THE COLOR OF THE TEXT ON THE COIN ID?  HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DECIPHER THAT CODE.  That should be a reward for your Gold Digger series for figuring that out!  THAT IS NOT CLEAR!  But, thats the norm with you.  Trying to decipher what you are really getting and supposed to be getting and when.  Seriously!?!  

You keep saying you shipped "MY COINS TO MINERJONES", MY SRR3 #6 COIN but YET ONLY I HAD THEM BEFORE I SHIPPED THEM TO DIGICOINUSER!  THIS IS BULLSHIT!  THEY WERE NEVER LOST!  YOU SHIPPED THEM DIRECTLY TO ME AND THAT WAS IT!  ONCE AGAIN, MY COINS WERE NEVER LOST!  NEVER MISPLACED!  NEVER ANYTHING ELSE!

Here's my problem...

You sent me the wrong coins.  ...AND THEN YOU DID NOTHING UNTIL SOMEONE PEELED THE HOLOGRAM!!!  THAT'S SCAMMY!  If you would've realized your mistake that these coins were sitting in your office for many months, then let me know BEFORE SOMEONE PEELED THE HOLOGRAM, then that's different.  But you didn't!!!  Someone had to peel the hologram, then all of the sudden you say Oops, you shipped the wrong coins.  BULLSHIT!

So, if I peel all of my coin's hologram and the public address/private key is different than what I have been provided by you, will you own up that you are a scammer?  Or, make up a new story that you have my real coins at your office or you sent the wrong coins for the hundredth time, or I sent those coins to MinerJones and they were lost...?  

[bitenvy]

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

[gravitate]

Another day, another shady coin creator. Nothing surprising here. I've given them a negative rating. Even if they repay you said amount, the rating should stay due to very shady behavior (IMO).

shady behaviour like what? I am in my late 30's with a professional job and with kids and everybody knows my full identity. I have everything to lose and nothing to gain by scamming people for 0.16BTC.


I have made a shit load of mistakes and I havent hidden them or walked away from them I have always sorted them out.

The problem with these false accusations are that it isn't just me who suffers it is everybody who has bought coins from me. all their coins will be worth less.

I just do not understand where honest mistake turns into scam and I dont see why moderators suddenly leave bad feedback on behalf of people. surely people can make their own judgement and leave there own feedback. I thought that is what makes this place fair.

Anyway I have used this forum for my hobby for 3 years and I have enjoyed most of it so I do appreciate that. I am just struggling to cope with the current accusations.

I understand the position you are in by trying to protect people from getitng scammed but to labe me as a scammer for me is very hurtful and not something I take lightly. I fought a long battle with my mistakes to maintain my reputation on here and to have this thrown away because of a false accusation does not make sense.

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

If you wanrt absolute proof that I am not a scammer then me peeling the stickers is not enough. Who is to say that I dont make the coins tonight and then  video me opening the coin?

The only secure way is for me to state the address of the coin chronisky has and then he peels the coin. I can even tell you the winner of the 1st series. Again though this makes everyone else's participation in series on a bad mistake.

[gravitate]

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

'  What the fuck are you spouting...  ' and this is after ' You will now be labeled as a scammer!  ' - Can you not be a little more diplomatic about it please I am human the same as you?

[bitenvy]

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

'  What the fuck are you spouting...  ' and this is after ' You will now be labeled as a scammer!  ' - Can you not be a little more diplomatic about it please I am human the same as you?

Your story doesn't even make sense!  My coins WERE NOT SENT TO MINERJONES!  You are lying.  PERIOD!  If others don't see this, then I'm at a loss for words.

You don't make mistakes like this, you won't have accusations.  Simple as that.  Your coins represent you.  If there are errors, flaws, mistakes, it falls on you even if it is just one mistake.  And, it wasn't just one mistake! 

[gravitate]

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

'  What the fuck are you spouting...  ' and this is after ' You will now be labeled as a scammer!  ' - Can you not be a little more diplomatic about it please I am human the same as you?

Your story doesn't even make sense!  My coins WERE NOT SENT TO MINERJONES!  You are lying.  PERIOD!  If others don't see this, then I'm at a loss for words.

You don't make mistakes like this, you won't have accusations.  Simple as that.  Your coins represent you.  If there are errors, flaws, mistakes, it falls on you even if it is just one mistake.  And, it wasn't just one mistake! 

You dont even understand this whole thing. Your coins are with me now. the coins that were supposed to go to minerjones went to you.

You cant judge someone by their mistakes but you can judge someone by how they handle them. I am certainly having a hard time to not judge you by your mannerism.

[gravitate]

My account on bitcointalk has been handed over to my legal team. They will get the information they need and when it has finished I will announce I have it back under my control.

[Pearls Before Swine]

My account on bitcointalk has been handed over to my legal team. They will get the information they need and when it has finished I will announce I have it back under my control.

Emm...OK. 

I've seen these physical coins for sale, and they always make my skin crawl for this very reason.  Not knowing if there really is a valid pub/priv key.  But Gravitate was certainly trusted before this, and I'm hoping it turns out well.  Sure doesn't look that way from where I'm standing, though.

[bitenvy]

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

'  What the fuck are you spouting...  ' and this is after ' You will now be labeled as a scammer!  ' - Can you not be a little more diplomatic about it please I am human the same as you?

Your story doesn't even make sense!  My coins WERE NOT SENT TO MINERJONES!  You are lying.  PERIOD!  If others don't see this, then I'm at a loss for words.

You don't make mistakes like this, you won't have accusations.  Simple as that.  Your coins represent you.  If there are errors, flaws, mistakes, it falls on you even if it is just one mistake.  And, it wasn't just one mistake! 

You dont even understand this whole thing. Your coins are with me now. the coins that were supposed to go to minerjones went to you.

You cant judge someone by their mistakes but you can judge someone by how they handle them. I am certainly having a hard time to not judge you by your mannerism.

Yes, you are so right, I don't understand the whole "thing"!  You sold me a coin that was "funded" LABELED AS SRR3/BRR3 #6, that never would've been known or discovered without someone besides you letting me know that there were no funds on the coin and/or my coin was sitting on your desk for months.  I totally don't understand...   

Let me re-iterate something you said...

So there is no funding mistake it is down to the fact this coin was a missing coin and that bitenvy should not have had it to sell.  So all we need to establish is why bitenvy had it.

That coin YOU sent to me directly that I paid for which was SRR3 #6.  It was your mistake and making it seem like I am the scammer is just scammy!  How dare you, when I was the customer who purchased this very coin and did no wrong!

You don't understand...  I'm doing nothing wrong with this accusation as others have stated, this action described above is shady because you said nothing when you had the coins the entire time for months!!!  What don't you understand about this??

[chronicsky]

Another day, another shady coin creator. Nothing surprising here. I've given them a negative rating. Even if they repay you said amount, the rating should stay due to very shady behavior (IMO).

shady behaviour like what? I am in my late 30's with a professional job and with kids and everybody knows my full identity. I have everything to lose and nothing to gain by scamming people for 0.16BTC.


I have made a shit load of mistakes and I havent hidden them or walked away from them I have always sorted them out.

The problem with these false accusations are that it isn't just me who suffers it is everybody who has bought coins from me. all their coins will be worth less.

I just do not understand where honest mistake turns into scam and I dont see why moderators suddenly leave bad feedback on behalf of people. surely people can make their own judgement and leave there own feedback. I thought that is what makes this place fair.

Anyway I have used this forum for my hobby for 3 years and I have enjoyed most of it so I do appreciate that. I am just struggling to cope with the current accusations.

I understand the position you are in by trying to protect people from getitng scammed but to labe me as a scammer for me is very hurtful and not something I take lightly. I fought a long battle with my mistakes to maintain my reputation on here and to have this thrown away because of a false accusation does not make sense.

I didn't intend to fund these coin! I sent the wrong coins to him and I refunded the person who bought them from him  already.. I didn't lie.
Also I have made mistakes and ALWAYS sorted them out.  To get accused of this is illegal as it dents my character. I will be seeking legal action against bitenvy.

I made a mistake and I have offered to fix it. That's not scamming.

You didn't intend to fund my coins?  HAHA  You refunded someone else for their COIN SRR1 #6 NOT SRR3 #6!!!!  What the fuck are you spouting...  Does anyone else see a crack in his story???


As I said, I want proof that the coins you have "found in your office" 'all of the sudden' were really mine that were funded with 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC with the addresses posted above for SRR3 #6 and BRR3 #6.  But, for some reason you don't want to do this.  I wonder why.

If you wanrt absolute proof that I am not a scammer then me peeling the stickers is not enough. Who is to say that I dont make the coins tonight and then  video me opening the coin?

The only secure way is for me to state the address of the coin chronisky has and then he peels the coin. I can even tell you the winner of the 1st series. Again though this makes everyone else's participation in series on a bad mistake.

I am out of town on a trip and do not have much time to look into this but if it needs to be peeled , i will try to do it with a video and post soon

Please post the address of the coin publicly first so it can be confirmed later

[bitenvy]

I am out of town on a trip and do not have much time to look into this but if it needs to be peeled , i will try to do it with a video and post soon

Please post the address of the coin publicly first so it can be confirmed later

I don't think you should have to do this as it really doesn't prove anything we don't already know.  Your coin is not funded.  He should redeem the red SRR3 #6 coins, sweep the funds, provide a video.    Regardless, Microsoul funded coins are in question because of this funding "mistake".  You don't sell coins funded and have the customer find them NOT FUNDED.  That's fraudulent.

Gravitate, you have failed to answer my question...  Do you have confidence in your own coins?

So, if I peel all of my coin's hologram and the public address/private key is different than what I have been provided by you, will you own up that you are a scammer?  Or, make up a new story that you have my real coins at your office or you sent the wrong coins for the hundredth time, or I sent those coins to MinerJones and they were lost...?  

Just because, I feel like adding more fuel to the fire...

Let me introduce Evidence B:



I ordered and reserved coin set #17.  Gravitate "accidentally" shipped my #17 coins to someone else.  (Hmm, I've heard this story before...)  So, he agreed to ship me a different coin set (#30).  I eventually received the #30 0.05BTC coin set.  One coin had an problem though.  Coins #1-10 coin ID's were printed in RED text.  This coin was supposed to have #30 1DrvH5zF (BLACK text) but instead had #30 1DrvH5zF  (RED text) as stated in the Microsoul 0.05 sales thread:

2016 1/2 Troy Oz fine Silver 0.05BTC Funded Microsoul Coins

Gold Plated B

Serial Numbers: #01- #51 (Displayed before the Address Code. #1-#10 printed in red and 1 random will be printed in green)

Pure Silver

Serial Numbers: #01- #51 (Displayed before the Address Code. #1-#10 printed in red and 1 random will be printed in green)

So is this coin really mine?  Or, did you accidentally ship this to someone else?  Or, maybe the BLACK coin ID is in your office?  Is it really funded?  I don't know anymore...  

When will this end...?   

[Vod]

So bitenvy, what does he need to do to make you feel whole again?

[gravitate]

#6 B RR                 


compressed                  bitcoin address
1EN66vah1crJktsJyFXskk9oFK2BkqyoTy          1KbvnJkYXRNntDyYh78YUMcG4Sd8mXNxd

[bitenvy]

So bitenvy, what does he need to do to make you feel whole again?

I have already made a few requests which have not been followed through by gravitate.  

1)  Video in real-time of the redemption of the REAL SRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) AND BRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) that he "found" recently.  These two coins need to be redeemed NOT SOLD!  He needs to sweep these amounts away from the original coins that were "recently found".  He is attempting to sell/give these away to digicoinuser and chronicsky.  That's not fair to me.  Yes, I am no longer the owner any more, but it made me look bad in this situation because of this mistake.  

2)  Answer my above questions regarding any more mistakes on public/private keys.  He knows he can't because there are probably more mistakes.  Because his coins are full of "mistakes".  If I open any other coins and they are not funded or any of the public addresses or private keys are not matched properly.  This will be the end of the excuses and mistakes.

To me the brand is untrustworthy and don't think he can save it because of how I have been treated as a customer from my MANY coin purchases.  But, the above two request are a start.  This whole time I haven't asked for any compensation, and I still don't because I feel this is about the honesty of coin manufacturers and them owning up to their failures and not blaming others for their own demise.  I was a victim of the Coinographics scam in a big way.  And, after that, I learned not to stay quiet with funding issues, excuses, delays of funding, etc that mimic the Coinographics scam.  I'm not out to harm any manufacturer that makes a simple mistake.  I have had other coin makers make mistakes, and they have addressed them quickly, efficiently, and I am pleased.  It's not hard to do.  But, this is NOT a tale of one simple mistake, if you knew how many problems I had with gravitate and ordering his coins.  The biggest problem is this one.  When I bought a funded coin.  I go to resell TWO of his coins and they were BOTH found out to be unfunded.  This makes me look bad, appears as if I am a scammer because I am selling an unfunded coin!  And, this makes me not want to sell any more of his coins because I will be labeled a scammer if they are found to be unfunded AGAIN!  Gravitate was NOT the one to inform me.  This is a HUGE mistake on his part.  You don't create coins and make mistakes with funding of coins and wrong private/public keys! Period!    If any other coin maker did this, you would see the same accusation here about them.

EDIT:  Proving he knows the "BRR3 #6" (err, I mean BRR1 #6) coin public address just confirms he did wrong, it doesn't exonerate him like he wants everyone to believe.  This (to me) is not proof of anything other than he sent me the wrong BRR3 #6 as well and they are not funded.  What does this prove AFTER THE FACT?  To me nothing.

[Vod]

1)  Video in real-time of the redemption of the REAL SRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) AND BRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) that he "found" recently.

If he does this I can remove the red trust.  I'll wait for his legal team to contact me.

[gravitate]

Hi Vod,
I would like to explain a little more about the situation and illustrate it in an easier way to understand.
Here is an illustration of the series of coins I made. Basically bitenvy was sent RR1 set rather than RR3 set.



One thing I didn’t make clear was how you would tell the difference between the 3 sets. The way you can is by the text on the back of the coin. The text is exactly how illustrated above. Im the original thread I changed the color of the coins for sale to illustrate this and also I replied with this:



I would now like to analyse existing evidence that I have not tried to scam anyone and that this is just a mistake. I sold Series 1 coins to MinerJones and basically they didnt turn up, I refunded him and by accident sent them to bitenvy instead of the RR3 set.


EVIDENCE 1
MinerJones bought and paid for the RR1 pair. He did not receive them and I refunded him thinking I lost the coins. Proof is here:



EVIDENCE 2
I released the public kets of the RR3 pair which are here



Srr3
1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm
Brr3
1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah
You can see they are still both funded.

EVIDENCE 3

The coin that was received and opened by digicoinuser was not part of the released public keys
Actual public key was:
Private key is:  L1oEBAxDPAHLKoexoJuGfNMoM7Bwttvc7Tnz4BYWYTWss6kNvGAc and MATCHING public key is:  1iWE27m4WYDX4hZeyHSKPAuN4mcnKKLEJ

This is not listed in this release:



EVIDENCE 4

You can see here that I have taken a photo of (on the original for sale thread) #5 S RR – please note that this is in exactly the same format as the coin that digicoinuser found. It is not likely to be part of another series because if it was there would be zero way to identify between the coins. For a coin maker that’s not just a stupid mistake it’s a ridiculously stupid mistake.


EVIDENCE 5

Here are the REAL RRS3 coins that are still funded.

http://imgur.com/Auh4DKc

http://imgur.com/lGtutXi


http://imgur.com/6dmcqab

I would now like to ask who has been detrimentally effected here and what makes this a scam? It is my understanding someone must have lost monies to be scammed. But I will leave that up to your judgment.

Bitenvy – had a slight problem with the release of the escrow. Was not called a scammer. Has not lost any money or bitcoin.
Digicoinuser - had a slight problem with the release of the escrow. Was refunded the Bitcoin value
Chronisky – I will honour the value of the Bitcoin that he expected to be loaded on the coin.
MinerJones- Bought the coins bitenvy received accidentally. MJ was refunded the full purchase price.


I would like to apologies for this mistake of sending the coins out. Also as for peeling the Real SRR3 set well I don’t have the facilities to do it. I have a CAT android phone and the camera is not that great so you wouldn’t be able to read the private key anyway.
What I propose to do if you still think this issome sort of scam are these:

1.   Let chronisky peel his coin and he will have this address #6 B RR                  
compressed                                                   bitcoin address
1EN66vah1crJktsJyFXskk9oFK2BkqyoTy          1KbvnJkYXRNntDyYh78YUMcG4Sd8mXNxd
2.   As I don’t have the facilities here I am more than prepared to ship the coins to someone else to do this. I suggest I ask someone a favour to do this.

Vod I will await your decision on the matter and I will do what ever you want to prove this isn’t a scam.

Thanks,
Regards,

[bitenvy]

Gravitate can’t even explain it clearly.  

First, SRR #2 COINS ARE NOT ALL funded.  All SRR1 and SRR2 are lottery coins.  Only one coin was supposed to be FULLY funded (non-lottery) and it was my coin.  That’s ironic because it really wasn't!  Why do I keep having to fix his mistakes?  Second, he shouldn’t segregate by colors if he can’t accurately describe what he is selling, print the right color on the correct coin and send the correct coin to the correct person.  But, he messed up on all of these for my coin.  There is also a SRR3 #6 THAT CLEARLY IDENTIFIES MY COIN.  So, you printed the WRONG NUMBER, IN THE WRONG COLOR, ON THE WRONG COIN, AND SUPPOSEDLY SENT IT TO THE WRONG PERSON.  It was NOT labeled just SRR #6 as you are leading everyone to believe. This image would have been useful before you sold the coins.    Everything has to be explained after your “mistakes”.  Why is that?  

I would now like to analyse existing evidence that I have not tried to scam anyone and that this is just a mistake. I sold Series 1 coins to MinerJones and basically they didnt turn up, I refunded him and by accident sent them to bitenvy instead of the RR3 set.

I'm really tired of re-hashing the same thing over and over again...A SERIOUS (funding) mistake that you made and someone else found.  This isn’t just an accidental sending of the wrong coin because ONLY ONE SRR coin was funded and the rest were NOT.  This is the problem you cannot seem to grasp!  If the entire series was unfunded or all lottery, I can understand.  That didn’t happen and I was the one affected!  How does a coin get sent to MinerJones that doesn’t turn up and then ALSO sent to me and/or sitting in your office??     Unless you made TWO OR THREE OF THE SAME COINS!  Hmmm….      This is really all the proof I need to show that you are scamming.  And, your words are proving it.  

MinerJones bought and paid for the RR1 pair. He did not receive them and I refunded him thinking I lost the coins.

You admitted to losing them, now.  So, you lost the coins or you mailed the coins?  Which is it?  I thought they were sent?    :-/  But, then, the final story is they are magically on your desk waiting to be sent to Digicoinuser and chronicsky!  Of course!   LOL

So, answer me this, why didn’t you notice you had these coins in your office this whole time and fix the problem 2-3 months ago and ship me the correct coins BEFORE SOMEONE HAD TO PEEL OFF THE HOLOGRAM??  I believe the answer is they were never in your office and/or you created a new set in the last week.  And, if you did do this, then this proves you are keeping a copy of the private keys which should be ANOTHER RED FLAG because coin makers should ALWAYS DESTROY THE PRIVATE KEY ONCE THE COIN HAS BEEN MADE!!!  I want the funds swept on both coins.  But, all I am getting is more excuses.  

I would now like to ask who has been detrimentally effected here and what makes this a scam? It is my understanding someone must have lost monies to be scammed. But I will leave that up to your judgment.

Gravitate doesn’t know what the definition of scam is.  The official definition is “a fraudulent or deceptive act“. This was a HIGHLY DECEPTIVE act.  Who’s AFFECTED (not effected)?  Digicoin WAS affected.  Chronicsky WAS/IS affected.  I AM affected.  Possibly a lot more who have purchased your coins in the past because this accusation clearly shows there are inconsistencies, problems, errors, mistakes and deception with buying your coins.  Just look through some of your latest sales threads!  It seemed like everyone was having these problems.  This is an accusation that you deceived me!  Others can speak for themselves and maybe they don’t feel deceived or don’t want to bring it up publicly.  I am the bad guy reporting this.  And, all Microsoul coin holders probably aren’t happy with me.  I know this.  But, I’m doing what I feel is right.  I will be the bad guy if this brings to light a coin seller who is deceiving its customers.  And, you are (at the very least me).  This will be the last time I say this!  I bought the coin from you the coin was NOT funded.  I sold the coin, the buyer asked for a refund for the coin value (0.16BTC) that wasn’t on the coin because I advertised it as funded because I thought it was funded from YOU!  It was NOT funded.  This was NOT a “slight” problem as you see with this accusation.  The mistake would never have been discovered and you would still had the 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC if I hadn’t sold this coin.  That’s called deception all the way through and through.  And, now others see it too.

You can’t keep TRYING to fix the situation by throwing BTC at other people as a peace offering.  But, yet I am the one in the middle of this and you do nothing to appease me because you only care about your reputation.  That’s what is sad.  


THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS HIGHLY DECEPTIVE!!!  

And, the reason for the accusation which doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon.  I am sorry if you don't agree.

I have thought of one more way I will take this accusation down.  I will not be removing the negative trust, it will stay!  Gravitate has the option to buy all of my remaining coins back so I don’t have the worry about any of my other coins that are not funded and any other seller blaming me for them not being funded.  But, I have a feeling I would have a problem with this as well as he would find some kind of excuse not to pay me out of spite (even with escrow).  

There have been questions ignored by gravitate which shows he will not do anything to get the scam accusation removed.  He will not put his reputation on the line with stating there are no more “mistakes” because he knows and I know there are.  

I’m just trying to protect others from a similar problem when they open their coin’s hologram in 3, 5, 10 years when bitcoin price is (hopefully) much, much higher than it is today.  It may not be a problem today because it is only $100 today.  It may be $1000 or $10,000 in 2020.  No one knows...

[gravitate]

Hi again Vod,

For RR2 series it was not fully determined before the sales went on hold for these coins. I was going to sell them on ebay so gambling coins may not have fit on there and been removed or got me banned. So that was not conclusive at the time but I have not sold any as the sales are on hold.

For the 0.05 coin I sold to bitenvy I did replace it yes. I decided to make 1 of the coins text in red so one person had something different and potentially more collectable. when I replaced the coin with a new priivate key I for got to make the text red again. I offered to replace it again:



I sold 4 coins and made something like 40 pounds. Because I made this mistake I refunded 2 of them and only made 20 pounds profit and I lost the cost of the material of the coin etc (all costs associated with making these coins that were lost). I am the only  person who lost money because of this mistake. If I had wanted to mislead someone I could have sent MJ 2 more coins that have different private keys on. After all I fully knew he did not win. But I didn't I took the loss upon myself and I did not make any new coins to replace them with. I should be glad I didnt because surely that supports my case right now?

I didn't realise the mistake was made because I have been ill and I have left coins alone for a bit. If I had realised I could have organised it so I can then make profit as opposed to losing money - or at least got the money back I paid for the coins.

I don't know what questions I have ignored I am simply stating evidence available that helps towards you making a decision about if I scammed anyone here.

Because I have sent him coins he is not trying to insinuate all the coins I sold have funding issues. That is not fair. Not to me or anyone else who bought coins from me.

I have put coin making on hold due to my health and the pain killers I am taking. Tramadol really messes your head up and I have been on them in heavy doses since last Christmas.  When I realized it was effecting my coin making I stopped. I dint ask to be ill or intentionally  mislead anyone.  I am still here and I am still sorting out my mistakes.

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Regards,

[Ellen Alemany]

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

[Lauda]

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Don't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I'm not entirely sure what OP wants. They've made some demands, but it doesn't seem like gravitate will comply (e.g. video of peeling).

[gravitate]

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Don't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I'm not entirely sure what OP wants. They've made some demands, but it doesn't seem like gravitate will comply (e.g. video of peeling).

I will comply I just dont have the facilities. I can send them to someone who does if that is ok with everybody?
Or I could borrow a camera but how do I do it live? I mean the only way I can think of doing this is via facebook which is via a phone which means you cant see the private key anyway.

I could somehow film it next to a clock or a watch maybe? I dont know. Please tell me what is acceptable here.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I did pay everyone who is out apart from Chronisky but that is only because we haven't arranged it as yet.

[bitenvy]

Hi again Vod,

Why are you addressing Vod and not me?  
 

For the 0.05 coin I sold to bitenvy I did replace it yes. I decided to make 1 of the coins text in red so one person had something different and potentially more collectable. when I replaced the coin with a new priivate key I for got to make the text red again. I offered to replace it again:

Yes, I returned the gilded 'B' coin for quality issues (and the other pure silver coin to have a matching serial number set).  You replaced two of my coins (now with a different/higher number).  Then, you made another mistake and printed one of the coins in the wrong color.  I wasn't about to send it back again because of all the problems I had already with gravitate throughout this past year.  I thought the coin id color was supposed to be black, not red because that is what he stated on his sales page.  But, he was thinking it should be red and not black.  He didn't tell me why he wanted to print it in red (to be more collectible).  He just did it and kept it to himself.    But, regardless, he messed up ANOTHER coin.    

Because I made this mistake I refunded 2 of them and only made 20 pounds profit and I lost the cost of the material of the coin etc (all costs associated with making these coins that were lost). I am the only  person who lost money because of this mistake.

If this scam was not identified and exposing you, this would NOT BE TRUE!  You would have scammed me the 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC.  Of course, because it was exposed, no one got hurt and lost any money.  That's the way you are thinking about it.  No one got defrauded because SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES YOU found the coin you didn't fund.    How does anyone know there isn't one or more coins out there that has this same mistake?  I believe there is at least one more like my coin out there that is not funded because you made a mistake.  You claiming to be the victim in this all of this is just... !

I don't know what questions I have ignored I am simply stating evidence available that helps towards you making a decision about if I scammed anyone here.

Do I need to spoon feed everything to you?  Look up, this thread isn't that long (YET)!

Do you have confidence in your own coins?

So, if I peel all of my coin's hologram and the public address/private key is different than what I have been provided by you, will you own up that you are a scammer?  Or, make up a new story that you have my real coins at your office or you sent the wrong coins for the hundredth time, or I sent those coins to MinerJones and they were lost...?  

So is this coin really mine?  Or, did you accidentally ship this to someone else?  Or, maybe the BLACK coin ID is in your office?  Is it really funded?  I don't know anymore...  

How does a coin get sent to MinerJones that doesn’t turn up and then ALSO sent to me and/or sitting in your office??  

You admitted to losing them, now.  So, you lost the coins or you mailed the coins?  Which is it?  I thought they were sent?    :-/  But, then, the final story is they are magically on your desk...

So, answer me this, why didn’t you notice you had these coins in your office this whole time and fix the problem 2-3 months ago and ship me the correct coins BEFORE SOMEONE HAD TO PEEL OFF THE HOLOGRAM??

And, lastly, my statement/offer to resolve this:

Gravitate has the option to buy all of my remaining coins back so I don’t have the worry about any of my other coins that are not funded and any other seller blaming me for them not being funded.

Wow!  I didn't realize there were this many questions unanswered!  So, basically you are ignoring me.  

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Don't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

Exactly...pity story!  I don't see a resolution either... But, peeling the hologram and sweeping the "real" coin (funds) is a START!  It is not the end.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I'm not entirely sure what OP wants. They've made some demands, but it doesn't seem like gravitate will comply (e.g. video of peeling).

It's not that simple Ellen.  He isn't even answering my questions and/or directing his replies towards me.  He thinks that addressing Vod he can get this resolved.    Also, it's not JUST about the funds that were on these coins as much as about the trust of these coins now after the exposition.  Microsoul coins cannot be trusted (to be accurately funded) and gravitate cannot be trusted after showing that TWO coins were not funded whether by mistake or not.  Trust is earned.  And, it can be broken by one silly, mundane, or serious mistake.  In the bitcoin world, it is treating the private key with the utmost respect.  You mixed up the private keys.  This was it.  It's done!  It happened!  It's over.  I cannot trust ANY coins made by you now!  In the process you made me look bad by my sale to someone else when a coin was not funded at that time.  YOUR PROBLEM BECAME MY PROBLEM!  That's just not right...

I will comply I just dont have the facilities. I can send them to someone who does if that is ok with everybody?
Or I could borrow a camera but how do I do it live? I mean the only way I can think of doing this is via facebook which is via a phone which means you cant see the private key anyway.

I could somehow film it next to a clock or a watch maybe? I dont know. Please tell me what is acceptable here.

I must be able to see the public address and private keys clearly in a video.  

Here is my suggestion:  Someone who wanted to buy these Russian roulette coins that didn't for one reason or another.  I ran across a few names that were thinking of buying these coins:

Eodguy149
dumbchump
MRBONG411
TheNewAnon135246
aakashsangwan

If any of them volunteer to do the recording/peeling of the hologram can keep the coins.  

I did pay everyone who is out apart from Chronisky but that is only because we haven't arranged it as yet.

"Everyone" that was effected<sic>...     If you say so...  

[gravitate]

To send someone the coins and let them peel it and keep the value will cost me around 200 pounds. I have already lost money because of this mistake so I dont think that is very reasonable. This is a accusation. There is no funds to be recovered here (no body has lost money apart from me) but you are asking me to pay money to clear my name against  some allegations where  I have already provided evidence against it.  That is unreasonable. Since I have in the past given you free coins and also offered to fix all the mistakes I have made. It simply isnt fair. I already gave you a FREE 2 TROY OZ SILVER COIN[/font] for all the problems you had.

I do it myself I borrow a camera and film it in front of a watch with the date. Then you can see no time passes with the peeling.

I am addressing the moderators because they are the ones who will either remove the feedback or not. No funds are missing it is simply a scam accusation. I have nothing to give you. You are not missing any money of funds.


So I can borrow a camera and do it myself. But how do I make it authentic? Next to a watch is good enough?

I have been here for 3 years with a clean slate. There is no real evidence I have scammed anyone here.

What would be the point in me scamming myself? I am the only one who lost money here. After 3 years of a clean slate I put my whole reputation on the line to scam myself out of money? It makes no sense to me at all.

I am not giving away money right now so I will preffer to peel the stickers myself. Or at least ask someone to do it free for me.

If that is not ok with the moderators then I will disappear like the dirty little snake of a scammer I am and you win.  You will have single handedly ruined my reputation  and devalued all the coins I ever made out of nothing but spite. If thats what you want then you have a good chance of getting it because I dont have the energy for this anymore.

[Lauda]

I am addressing the moderators because they are the ones who will either remove the feedback or not. No funds are missing it is simply a scam accusation. I have nothing to give you. You are not missing any money of funds.

This has nothing to do with forum moderators, unless you are labeling default trust members as 'moderators' (which would be the first time that I've seen this).

To send someone the coins and let them peel it and keep the value will cost me around 200 pounds.

Why does the person have to keep the value? They can just as easily redeem it and send the funds back to you.

[wttbs]

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

[markj113]

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

I agree.

[Ellen Alemany]

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Don't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I'm not entirely sure what OP wants. They've made some demands, but it doesn't seem like gravitate will comply (e.g. video of peeling).

I will comply I just dont have the facilities. I can send them to someone who does if that is ok with everybody?
Or I could borrow a camera but how do I do it live? I mean the only way I can think of doing this is via facebook which is via a phone which means you cant see the private key anyway.

I could somehow film it next to a clock or a watch maybe? I dont know. Please tell me what is acceptable here.

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

I did pay everyone who is out apart from Chronisky but that is only because we haven't arranged it as yet.

So just make an arrangement and pay it. Something fucked up, just make it right and everyone can be whole again

[MRBONG411]

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

I agree too.

[bitenvy]

I see almost everyone is on gravitate’s side on this issue...  


Why are you STILL NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS???  I will definitely not take this down if you keep evading my questions!

There is no real evidence I have scammed anyone here.

Wrong!

I am the only one who lost money here.

False!

There is no funds to be recovered here (no body has lost money apart from me)

Wrong again!  The coin funds that are on a coin that is in your possession that was supposed to be shipped to me, but wasn’t because you “lost”, “found” and “shipped”!  You don't see a problem with this?!?  I do!
    
Once again, it’s all about you!        

I will ask for the THIRD TIME…

Why didn’t you correct this before someone else found out???  Why did you let these coins just sit around knowing they were my CORRECT coins???  

This is fraudulent when you do this!  I can’t get anywhere with someone who doesn’t understand this!  So, this scam looks like it is going nowhere!  If I had kept the coin that had 0BTC (that was supposed to have funds on it) and not sold, you are telling me that is not scamming anyone, and there would have been no lost funds?  GTFO!     You are in possession of the private key (funds) that belong to me (originally).  How is this not scamming me???  The proof is in your hands!  If I sold an advertised funded coin to ANYONE that had ZERO funds on the coin and I had promised the coins were funded, but the funds/coins/private keys were in my possession still, I would be called out for this and labeled a scammer!  Why is this so hard to understand?  But, because you see everything is fine NOW with your rose colored glasses, there is no scam.  LOL          

I have been here for 3 years with a clean slate.

I don’t care if someone was here for 10 or 20 years, if they did something like this, it would be the same.  It is trust as I mentioned above.  I feel like a broken record on repeat....  If you make a serious mistake like this with funding or handling of private keys (KEEPING POSSESION OF FUNDS AND THE COIN).  That is all it takes to reverse it all.  One sale (lucky me!) with a coin that I received that wasn’t funded as agreed upon!  This was it!  Ask any other coin seller how careful they are about handling the private keys and making sure they are labeling and funding of their coins.  They don’t make this mistake.  It’s pretty obvious why.  It would destroy them and their business, too!  Why should it be different for you?

After 3 years of a clean slate I put my whole reputation on the line to scam myself out of money? It makes no sense to me at all.

You make no sense to me!!!

If that is not ok with the moderators then I will disappear like the dirty little snake of a scammer I am and you win.  You will have single handedly ruined my reputation  and devalued all the coins I ever made out of nothing but spite. If thats what you want then you have a good chance of getting it because I dont have the energy for this anymore.

There you go again, asking the “moderators”…    You have options in front of you.  You decide what your do with your reputation.  To me, you already have.  You made this mistake, you aren't answering my questions and you are NOT seeing it from the same point of view as me!  You were already done with making coins anyways...

[defcon23]

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

@wttbs:  + 1 !   i agree 300%

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

once again..
I agree too with MRBONG411

and yes ... one more time . Gravitate is an honest guy. why all this hate ?  i'm pretty sure he will find a way to proove all this noise for nothing is just bullshit..

Quote from: gravitate on December 14, 2016, 07:36:35 AM

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Quote from: Lauda on December 14, 2016, 08:22:44 AMDon't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

lauda .. waw.. we had touched the maximum in term of baseless here.. but nothing really surprising coming from you..

@Bitenvy: I'm pretty sure you & gravitate are not bad guys .. i'm 100% sure gravitate will find a way/solution to this problem. please, try to refrain a bit .. just PM him and try to have an adult discussion together's.


@gravitate : is it possible for you to post a periscope live streaming, showing you pealing this damn coin , to satisfied everybody ?

i would be happy to help you both to find a way to peaceful this problem , if this is still possible..
i kindly offer to mediate if you both accept it..

regards


edit:  @gravitate : ie: posting a live"persicope" stream , showing you pealing the coin , in adding in this thread, before, a live countdown for the exact hour of this streaming ) ..... just an idea...

and if this is possible , and satisfied both of you, : please , stay in peace until this live video..

[Lauda]

To summarize what I understood here:
Gravitate is supposed to sell coin X with Y BTC funded to bitenvy. Gravitate sells it as a funded coin. Bitenvy later sold the same coin to someone else, who discovered that it was funded with 0 BTC [1]. So either Gravitate sold coin X, but did not fund it or Gravitate sold the wrong coin (which was not funded either). Either way, if it was sold as funded, but was not, then this is the definition of a scam.
Whether or not the intent was malicious, is not something that I want to get into (we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment). The question is how to completely resolve the situation?
[1] - Correct me if I misunderstood something.

[gravitate]

To summarize what I understood here:
Gravitate is supposed to sell coin X with Y BTC funded to bitenvy. Gravitate sells it as a funded coin. Bitenvy later sold the same coin to someone else, who discovered that it was funded with 0 BTC [1]. So either Gravitate sold coin X, but did not fund it or Gravitate sold the wrong coin (which was not funded either). Either way, if it was sold as funded, but was not, then this is the definition of a scam.
Whether or not the intent was malicious, is not something that I want to get into (we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment). The question is how to completely resolve the situation?
[1] - Correct me if I misunderstood something.

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

[gravitate]

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.
I am the only person who lost money here.

[Lauda]

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

That's a good start. So technically OP's buyer is the one that is missing the funds at the moment? I'm not entirely sure how this could be remedied as sending the funded amount to them is much different from getting a funded coin (if they have peeled it already?). I wonder what bitenvy thinks/wants after the video.

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.

Not entirely true. There have been cases of people paying only after being exposed.

[gravitate]

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

That's a good start. So technically OP's buyer is the one that is missing the funds at the moment? I'm not entirely sure how this could be remedied as sending the funded amount to them is much different from getting a funded coin (if they have peeled it already?). I wonder what bitenvy thinks/wants after the video.

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.

Not entirely true. There have been cases of people paying only after being exposed.

Yes I understand. If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way. If I had not refunded MinerJones and sent him some new coins. I could understand a scam accusation really I could. But I did the honest thing and I lost money and my time which right now is precious.  

I would have realised I made this mistake eventually but it could have been months away.

Anyway let me sign up to twitter and see if my phone can pick up the private key detail.

When I peel the sticker I will show half of the key, redeem the bitcoin then paste the full private key to see if  it matches with the ones I posted months ago. If that ok great if not then please let me know how I can change it.

[Lauda]

I am the only one who lost money- either way.

This doesn't seem to be true to me. If person A was supposed to get a coin that was funded, but it was empty, that person has also lost money (not to mention reputation when re-selling it unknowingly as funded while it was unfunded).

When I peel the sticker I will show half of the key, redeem the bitcoin then paste the full private key to see if  it matches with the ones I posted months ago. If that ok great if not then please let me know how I can change it.

You should check in with OP via PM (if possible) to see what they find acceptable first, then we can vouch in. Doing something that OP disagrees with won't help remedy the problem.

[gravitate]

OK I sent him a PM to ask.

[ab8989]

If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way.

Look. You already admitted that you made several mistakes and stupid decisions for example not keeping proper books on what is going on and changing colour coding midstream to be something else than advertized. Mistakes cost money. It is totally unreasonable to expect to be able to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions without it costing you money. Do not make mistakes or stupid decisions is the lesson here.

That being said whether it was a mistake or a scam cannot be argued on how dumb it would be. I would think it would be dumber to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions compared to being a failed scammer that got cought. At least being a scammer there would be some quarter-sensible motive trying to do things like this rather than just being plain dumb.

[gravitate]

If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way.

Look. You already admitted that you made several mistakes and stupid decisions for example not keeping proper books on what is going on and changing colour coding midstream to be something else than advertized. Mistakes cost money. It is totally unreasonable to expect to be able to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions without it costing you money. Do not make mistakes or stupid decisions is the lesson here.

That being said whether it was a mistake or a scam cannot be argued on how dumb it would be. I would think it would be dumber to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions compared to being a failed scammer that got cought. At least being a scammer there would be some quarter-sensible motive trying to do things like this rather than just being plain dumb.

Thank you for your views on the matter. Its a little hard to understand because of your use of the English language but I think I got the main idea. You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes. I can't say I fully agree with you on that but it sure is something to think about!

[finrope]

hey guys !   Just stop and think for a minute. Gravitate isn't and has never been a scammer. Get back to reality.
i cant beleive it... 

[LadangGalau]

hey guys !   Just stop and think for a minute. Gravitate isn't and has never been a scammer. Get back to reality.
i cant beleive it... 

whaaaaat ? !   gravitate a scammer   WTF ? !! GRAVITATE ISN'T A SCAMMER !!!

[ab8989]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

[defcon23]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

lol   i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?    https://app.grammarly.com/   

[actmyname]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

lol   i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?    https://app.grammarly.com/    

Your English skills seem worse off, in my opinion. I'm catching 8 mistakes via Grammarly from your post, and absolutely none from ab8989's post. How ironic, hm?


The only grammatical issue that I might have with ab8989's reply is that they are missing an "a" between "It might be" and "better explanation"

Let's analyze yours:

lol  i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?

• 1. "i" should be capitalized
• 2. "was knowing" should be "know"
• 3. "english" should be capitalized to "English"
• 4. "isnt" should be "isn't"
• 5. "your is" should be "your's is"
• 6. ".." should be either a period or an ellipsis
• 7. Given 6, "did" should be capitalized.
• 8. "you tried" should be "you try"
• 9. Lots of spacing issues before and after punctuation

** I would personally add a comma after "broken" and before "dude" but it's not completely necessary. Also, Grammarly should probably be capitalized.

Note: I don't consider myself great in terms English skills, but I think I'm pretty well off.

Back on topic: I await the peeling of the hologram and the conclusion of what OP requires from him.

[Ellen Alemany]

Everyday I check here I hope to see the probelm has been resolved but Gravitate is doing everything possible to not make that happen.

Just send him his btc and get it over with.

[gravitate]

Well I messaged bitenvy. No response. So I will plan for the peeling next weekend I will put a countdown timer on when I figure out how.

[buckrogers]

How are you involved in WAC and the great mango ponzi?

[buckrogers]

My account on bitcointalk has been handed over to my legal team. They will get the information they need and when it has finished I will announce I have it back under my control.

is your "legal team " going to refund all the stolen funds from the golden egg games? and the WAC coins you stole?

[buckrogers]

Well I messaged bitenvy. No response. So I will plan for the peeling next weekend I will put a countdown timer on when I figure out how.

you can send me a few dozen coins to peel i can video the whole thing should take about 10 minutes

[bitenvy]

To summarize what I understood here:
Gravitate is supposed to sell coin X with Y BTC funded to bitenvy. Gravitate sells it as a funded coin. Bitenvy later sold the same coin to someone else, who discovered that it was funded with 0 BTC [1]. So either Gravitate sold coin X, but did not fund it or Gravitate sold the wrong coin (which was not funded either). Either way, if it was sold as funded, but was not, then this is the definition of a scam.
Whether or not the intent was malicious, is not something that I want to get into (we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment). The question is how to completely resolve the situation?
[1] - Correct me if I misunderstood something.

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin.

Thank you for admitting your guilt and that you scammed me.  I’m pretty much done here… 

[gravitate]

If you want to call a mistake a scam no worries. Do you still want me to arrange to peel these coins?

[Huge Black Woman]

Now I ain't done business with this man gravitate, but he got rep here an' I still'd buy somethin' from him if the time came.  Look like he screwed up some, but I don't see this as no scam.  The real scams be over in the lendin' section.  An' the ponzi one too.  This is jist carelessness an' he seem to be wantin' to make good, so. 

[Ellen Alemany]

I want to know when will Lauda take back her bad trust on Gravitate becuause its unjust for just making a mistake.

[bitenvy]

If you want to call a mistake a scam no worries. Do you still want me to arrange to peel these coins?

Well, you agreed to what Lauda said, whether a mistake or not is still the definition of a scam.  So... yeah.

Yes, I don't need it to be "live" on twitter or facebook.  Just record it (with a time stamp or relevant proof of date) where we can clearly see front of coin (#6 SRR) and private key, sweep both coin funds and put it on Youtube.  I just think both of these coins need to be peeled/redeemed/funds swept as they were the trouble of this whole situation. 

[Lauda]

If you want to call a mistake a scam no worries.

The intent doesn't have to be malicious for an action to be a scam, which is what this is (until resolved).

I want to know when will Lauda take back her bad trust on Gravitate becuause its unjust for just making a mistake.

That is your opinion, and frankly it doesn't carry much weight since you don't seem to understand web-of-trust.

Holy shill accounts, I'm stunned.  

I've already mentioned a similar 'issues':

(we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment).

The majority of collectors aren't exactly the brightest people, nor does pitching in with more of these accounts change anything.

[Ellen Alemany]

If you want to call a mistake a scam no worries.

The intent doesn't have to be malicious for an action to be a scam, which is what this is (until resolved).

I want to know when will Lauda take back her bad trust on Gravitate becuause its unjust for just making a mistake.

That is your opinion, and frankly it doesn't carry much weight since you don't seem to understand web-of-trust.

Holy shill accounts, I'm stunned.  

I've already mentioned a similar 'issues':

(we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment).

The majority of collectors aren't exactly the brightest people, nor does pitching in with more of these accounts change anything.

You dont accidentally scam someone, you need intent in my opinion. Anyway, this bullshit has been going on too long. Im outty.

[Lauda]

You dont accidentally scam someone, you need intent in my opinion. Anyway, this bullshit has been going on too long. Im outty.

No, you most certainly do not need any malicious intent. It's quite simple and there is no need to factor in any kind of intent: User A advertises product X with 5 Bitcoin and sells said product to user B under this pretense. User B later discovers that said item was never funded by user A and does not contain 5 Bitcoin. How exactly is this not a scam until rectified? An example of this would be Apple selling you an iPhone (under the pretense that it usually does), but actually you just received an empty shell without internal hardware.

[Ellen Alemany]

You dont accidentally scam someone, you need intent in my opinion. Anyway, this bullshit has been going on too long. Im outty.

No, you most certainly do not need any malicious intent. It's quite simple and there is no need to factor in any kind of intent: User A advertises product X with 5 Bitcoin and sells said product to user B under this pretense. User B later discovers that said item was never funded by user A and does not contain 5 Bitcoin. How exactly is this not a scam until rectified? An example of this would be Apple selling you an iPhone (under the pretense that it usually does), but actually you just received an empty shell without internal hardware.

Calm down. Its a mistake, not a scam. Now if he fails to repay user B in a fair time frame then it becomes a scam. But the mistake alone is not basis for a scam. You need to have some sort of intent.

[gravitate]

I read this whole thread (RIP 30 mins of my life), and I'll state my opinion. I know that no one cares but still. Gravitate has done everything right. He owned up to the mistake, refunded the parties who lost money, and was calm through the whole process. I'm pretty sure the user who recieved the unfunded coin recieved funds? And OP also sent bitenvy a two ounce silver coin I believe. MinerJones got his refund so he is fine. No one except the accused lost money here. I feel as is Lauda should remove her feedback, or at least change it to a nuetral.

Thanks I will post a video soon though I am just struggling to find the time at the monent. I will try do it this weekend. I don't mind the feedback really until it is cleared up. Bitenvy already left bad feedback and from all the problems he had I dont blame him at all. I just wish I didn't send him free coins now to say sorry but hey I would have felt too bad if I din't. We are all entitled to our own judgements


Video will follow ! I am not promising it will be anything like Stephen Spielberg but I will give it my best shot!

[Ellen Alemany]

I read this whole thread (RIP 30 mins of my life), and I'll state my opinion. I know that no one cares but still. Gravitate has done everything right. He owned up to the mistake, refunded the parties who lost money, and was calm through the whole process. I'm pretty sure the user who recieved the unfunded coin recieved funds? And OP also sent bitenvy a two ounce silver coin I believe. MinerJones got his refund so he is fine. No one except the accused lost money here. I feel as is Lauda should remove her feedback, or at least change it to a nuetral.

Thanks I will post a video soon though I am just struggling to find the time at the monent. I will try do it this weekend. I don't mind the feedback really until it is cleared up. Bitenvy already left bad feedback and from all the problems he had I dont blame him at all. I just wish I didn't send him free coins now to say sorry but hey I would have felt too bad if I din't. We are all entitled to our own judgements


Video will follow ! I am not promising it will be anything like Stephen Spielberg but I will give it my best shot!

At least try and make it Quintin Terintino styles.

[gravitate]

I read this whole thread (RIP 30 mins of my life), and I'll state my opinion. I know that no one cares but still. Gravitate has done everything right. He owned up to the mistake, refunded the parties who lost money, and was calm through the whole process. I'm pretty sure the user who recieved the unfunded coin recieved funds? And OP also sent bitenvy a two ounce silver coin I believe. MinerJones got his refund so he is fine. No one except the accused lost money here. I feel as is Lauda should remove her feedback, or at least change it to a nuetral.

Thanks I will post a video soon though I am just struggling to find the time at the monent. I will try do it this weekend. I don't mind the feedback really until it is cleared up. Bitenvy already left bad feedback and from all the problems he had I dont blame him at all. I just wish I didn't send him free coins now to say sorry but hey I would have felt too bad if I din't. We are all entitled to our own judgements


Video will follow ! I am not promising it will be anything like Stephen Spielberg but I will give it my best shot!

At least try and make it Quintin Terintino styles.

Not quite as good a Quentin Tarantino but as you mentioned it I thought I would try.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XOiqOfUpc I uploaded it in the highest quality I could so I hope you can see the private keys. The private keys are:


Kwvp6Lq2bnVLurnFj4h4ZvcG8tfjGbgaAtVZwsWjHYv3yx43rps6

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

[chronicsky]

I read this whole thread (RIP 30 mins of my life), and I'll state my opinion. I know that no one cares but still. Gravitate has done everything right. He owned up to the mistake, refunded the parties who lost money, and was calm through the whole process. I'm pretty sure the user who recieved the unfunded coin recieved funds? And OP also sent bitenvy a two ounce silver coin I believe. MinerJones got his refund so he is fine. No one except the accused lost money here. I feel as is Lauda should remove her feedback, or at least change it to a nuetral.

Thanks I will post a video soon though I am just struggling to find the time at the monent. I will try do it this weekend. I don't mind the feedback really until it is cleared up. Bitenvy already left bad feedback and from all the problems he had I dont blame him at all. I just wish I didn't send him free coins now to say sorry but hey I would have felt too bad if I din't. We are all entitled to our own judgements


Video will follow ! I am not promising it will be anything like Stephen Spielberg but I will give it my best shot!

At least try and make it Quintin Terintino styles.

Not quite as good a Quentin Tarantino but as you mentioned it I thought I would try.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XOiqOfUpc I uploaded it in the highest quality I could so I hope you can see the private keys. The private keys are:


Kwvp6Lq2bnVLurnFj4h4ZvcG8tfjGbgaAtVZwsWjHYv3yx43rps6

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

The privkeys are visible just fine, hurt to watch those beauties getting peeled but well....

Nice video with you n your son

[Lauda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XOiqOfUpc I uploaded it in the highest quality I could so I hope you can see the private keys.

Yes, both private keys can be easily seen in the video. I have withdrawn my rating for now. I will wait for you and OP to respond to this.

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

In your video you claim that 'Silver Russian Roulette' series where all should be funded. However, the corresponding address to this key is: 13nv1eYRgK5gw7sMCo4xsUiZawXt6rehTc, which was never funded.
Update: The address checks out and appears to have been funded.

[gravitate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XOiqOfUpc I uploaded it in the highest quality I could so I hope you can see the private keys.

Yes, both private keys can be easily seen in the video. I have withdrawn my rating for now. I will wait for you and OP to respond to this.

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

In your video you claim that 'Silver Russian Roulette' series where all should be funded. However, the corresponding address to this key is: 13nv1eYRgK5gw7sMCo4xsUiZawXt6rehTc, which was never funded.
Unless I've made a mistake somewhere, this doesn't look good for you at all.

one sec I my have copied the wrong one...

[Lauda]

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

In your video you claim that 'Silver Russian Roulette' series where all should be funded. However, the corresponding address to this key is: 13nv1eYRgK5gw7sMCo4xsUiZawXt6rehTc, which was never funded.

one sec I my have copied the wrong one...

I double checked it by writing down the key from the video; besides the two minor mistakes that I've made (mistaking a '5' for an 'S', and 'uj' for a 'w'), the private key is the right now. This coin / address was never funded either, yet you have explicitly claimed in the very same video that all coins from that series should be funded.

[gravitate]

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

In your video you claim that 'Silver Russian Roulette' series where all should be funded. However, the corresponding address to this key is: 13nv1eYRgK5gw7sMCo4xsUiZawXt6rehTc, which was never funded.

one sec I my have copied the wrong one...

I double checked it by writing down the key from the video; besides the two minor mistakes that I've made (mistaking a '5' for an 'S', and 'uj' for a 'w'), the private key is the right now. This coin / address was never funded either, yet you have explicitly claimed in the very same video that all coins from that series should be funded.

I am not really sure here I redeamed both this afternoon look here:

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

Kwvp6Lq2bnVLurnFj4h4ZvcG8tfjGbgaAtVZwsWjHYv3yx43rps6


BRR3
1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah

SRR3
1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm


I used the private keys from the coins my wife read them out to me. I dont know what to say?

[gravitate]

I had to take pictures of the private keys to actually read them. You want me to post them?

[ClamCoin]

Gravitate why you scam so much?

[gravitate]

Kz6KFajpR92EMkcQRAevx163NVwcPW5hiuJSdNsQBi3sTVqM4StR

In your video you claim that 'Silver Russian Roulette' series where all should be funded. However, the corresponding address to this key is: 13nv1eYRgK5gw7sMCo4xsUiZawXt6rehTc, which was never funded.

one sec I my have copied the wrong one...

I double checked it by writing down the key from the video; besides the two minor mistakes that I've made (mistaking a '5' for an 'S', and 'uj' for a 'w'), the private key is the right now. This coin / address was never funded either, yet you have explicitly claimed in the very same video that all coins from that series should be funded.

I dont know how your doing it but to make the coins I use a copy of www.bitaddress.org  to generate all the keys (obviously on an offline computer). Anyway if you go there and go to wallet details you get a different bitcoin address to what you wrote. And if you follow that address it was done this after noon. Maybe your doing it a different way or something. but if you try put the private keys in bitaddress it works.

[Moritz30]

Gravitate was added to the Open Scammer DataBase now https://osdb.pw/history.html

[Lauda]

I dont know how your doing it but to make the coins I use a copy of www.bitaddress.org  to generate all the keys (obviously on an offline computer). Anyway if you go there and go to wallet details you get a different bitcoin address to what you wrote. And if you follow that address it was done this after noon. Maybe your doing it a different way or something. but if you try put the private keys in bitaddress it works.

I apologize for my mistake. I was looking at the 'Bitcoin Address' on the left side of the screen and not the compressed variant on the right side. I did mention the possibility of error though:

Unless I've made a mistake somewhere, this doesn't look good for you at all.

I'll retract this, since the address checks out and appears to have been funded.
I have imported the key into Bitcoin Core, and it checks out.

[gravitate]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

[Moritz30]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Removed from OSDB: https://osdb.pw/history.html

[bitenvy]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Thanks for peeling, but not satisfied.  You have failed to answer my questions in this thread.  So, I gave up because dealing with you is so frustrating.  

Why did you have my numbered coins and not fix this situation months and months ago?     Any normal reputable seller finding my TWO coins that they already sold to someone sitting on their desk would correct it!  You had my SRR #6 and BRR #6 coins that were supposed to be in my possession but didn't correct it.  So, why didn't you?  Why does it take this scam accusation for you to "find" my coins?

I still feel scammed because I didn't receive my coins funded.

[gravitate]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Thanks for peeling, but not satisfied.  You have failed to answer my questions in this thread.  So, I gave up because dealing with you is so frustrating.  

Why did you have my numbered coins and not fix this situation months and months ago?     Any normal reputable seller finding my TWO coins that they already sold to someone sitting on their desk would correct it!  You had my SRR #6 and BRR #6 coins that were supposed to be in my possession but didn't correct it.  So, why didn't you?  Why does it take this scam accusation for you to "find" my coins?

I still feel scammed because I didn't receive my coins funded.

They were simply in my locker and I didnt realise. I dont know when I would have realised to be honest. Probably this year some time and I would have sorted it out. Just like I did when I realised there was a problem with private keys the time before.

[Ellen Alemany]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Thanks for peeling, but not satisfied.  You have failed to answer my questions in this thread.  So, I gave up because dealing with you is so frustrating.  

Why did you have my numbered coins and not fix this situation months and months ago?     Any normal reputable seller finding my TWO coins that they already sold to someone sitting on their desk would correct it!  You had my SRR #6 and BRR #6 coins that were supposed to be in my possession but didn't correct it.  So, why didn't you?  Why does it take this scam accusation for you to "find" my coins?

I still feel scammed because I didn't receive my coins funded.

They were simply in my locker and I didnt realise. I dont know when I would have realised to be honest. Probably this year some time and I would have sorted it out. Just like I did when I realised there was a problem with private keys the time before.

Dude, why are you not paying him back??

[gravitate]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Thanks for peeling, but not satisfied.  You have failed to answer my questions in this thread.  So, I gave up because dealing with you is so frustrating.  

Why did you have my numbered coins and not fix this situation months and months ago?     Any normal reputable seller finding my TWO coins that they already sold to someone sitting on their desk would correct it!  You had my SRR #6 and BRR #6 coins that were supposed to be in my possession but didn't correct it.  So, why didn't you?  Why does it take this scam accusation for you to "find" my coins?

I still feel scammed because I didn't receive my coins funded.

They were simply in my locker and I didnt realise. I dont know when I would have realised to be honest. Probably this year some time and I would have sorted it out. Just like I did when I realised there was a problem with private keys the time before.

Dude, why are you not paying him back??

I dont understand what you are talking about? Pay who what back?

[bitenvy]

OK thanks for checking and removing the bad feed back I appreciate it. It would be nice to know if bitenvy is satisfied.

Thanks for peeling, but not satisfied.  You have failed to answer my questions in this thread.  So, I gave up because dealing with you is so frustrating.  

Why did you have my numbered coins and not fix this situation months and months ago?     Any normal reputable seller finding my TWO coins that they already sold to someone sitting on their desk would correct it!  You had my SRR #6 and BRR #6 coins that were supposed to be in my possession but didn't correct it.  So, why didn't you?  Why does it take this scam accusation for you to "find" my coins?

I still feel scammed because I didn't receive my coins funded.

They were simply in my locker and I didnt realise. I dont know when I would have realised to be honest. Probably this year some time and I would have sorted it out. Just like I did when I realised there was a problem with private keys the time before.

Dude, why are you not paying him back??

I dont understand what you are talking about? Pay who what back?

You have done nothing to address or fix the situation even after all this time.  You provided proof you had the coins in your possession this whole time!  That's fraudulent when you send a different coin and knowingly have the coin and don't fix it!  And, you did nothing about it.  It's pathetic and scammy to do to a customer!  

[lebnor]

Gravitate sold me unfunded coins when he told me they were funded. He won't answers pm's or emails now..  Is this guy a scammer ?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Gravitate sold me unfunded coins when he told me they were funded. He won't answers pm's or emails now..   Is this guy a scammer ?

Start up your own thread with a proper scam accusation form, and with evidence to support your claim.  Otherwise you're just leaking hot gas up in this bitch and no one is going to take you seriously.   And you sound like you can answer your own question.

Edit:  Yikes, I missed that thread entirely.   Looks like this is turning into a complete clusterfuck.  Will await his response.

[lebnor]

Gravitate sold me unfunded coins when he told me they were funded. He won't answers pm's or emails now..  Is this guy a scammer ?

Start up your own thread with a proper scam accusation form, and with evidence to support your claim.  Otherwise you're just leaking hot gas up in this bitch and no one is going to take you seriously.   And you sound like you can answer your own question.

Read it and weep.. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1975259.0

[gravitate]

I am a scammer. Either contact me directly to sort out (the chap already did which is cool) or just leave me negative feedback. With the 10- 40 usd from each coin I made I must be loaded. If I scammed your bitcoin it amounts to like 100k EUR approximately. Well I earn that in 18 Months so stop with the scam accusations please. Sometimes its like dealing with my kids. Oh and just one thing when I do get negative feedback I will not come on here again which means you will have to ask the older members my identity and get the police to come visit me. I will not entertain trolls and my identity is 100% public. So there you go.

[minifrij]

Either contact me directly to sort out (the chap already did which is cool) or just leave me negative feedback.

I honestly have no idea who you're replying to here. It appears that you've already been contacted. Have you not?

With the 10- 40 usd from each coin I made I must be loaded. If I scammed your bitcoin it amounts to like 100k EUR approximately.

Amount scammed is irrelevant.

Well I earn that in 18 Months

I'll bet you have a really big dick too.

Sometimes its like dealing with my kids. Oh and just one thing when I do get negative feedback I will not come on here again which means you will have to ask the older members my identity and get the police to come visit me. I will not entertain trolls and my identity is 100% public.

It's pretty funny how you say that people are acting like kids, then go on to say something so insanely immature.


Get a grip and deal with your own problems like an adult, rather than running away and getting others to try and follow up on something you should have done in the first place. If you have loaded your coins then prove it, rather than telling people to 'get the police to come and visit you', and if you haven't then you should do so immediately.

[gravitate]

Hmmm. I'm not acting like Kid (I hope) but right now I just don't need trolls in my life. I accept legal responsibility for any stuff that happens and that has always been my take on things. Every problem so far I have sorted out. Right now I am preparing sending g 2 coins to Poland that went missing and I have ZERO responsibility for that. But that's the person I am. I am legally responsible and all I am saying is if people start trolling me then they can find me through the legal ways and not this forum. I dunno but I thought that was reasonable.

[lebnor]

I've been fully refunded by Gravitate for the coins he didn't load plus a little extra for my troubles. It did take 15 months from the time of purchase to bring this issue to a close, but he did come through. Glad to finally put this to sleep.

[gravitate]

I've been fully refunded by Gravitate for the coins he didn't load plus a little extra for my troubles. It did take 15 months from the time of purchase to bring this issue to a close, but he did come through. Glad to finally put this to sleep.

Thanks So this is one less scam. I just want to steel and scam as much money as possible NOT

[Lauda]

I've been fully refunded by Gravitate for the coins he didn't load plus a little extra for my troubles. It did take 15 months from the time of purchase to bring this issue to a close, but he did come through. Glad to finally put this to sleep.

Thanks So this is one less scam. I just want to steel and scam as much money as possible NOT

Sigh. You're almost just as unstable and as unpredictable as defcon was. Why are you changing your mind this frequently? I thought you were supposed to be a *grown up*.