Gravitate selling "FUNDED" coins that are NOT FUNDED

[gravitate]

To summarize what I understood here:
Gravitate is supposed to sell coin X with Y BTC funded to bitenvy. Gravitate sells it as a funded coin. Bitenvy later sold the same coin to someone else, who discovered that it was funded with 0 BTC [1]. So either Gravitate sold coin X, but did not fund it or Gravitate sold the wrong coin (which was not funded either). Either way, if it was sold as funded, but was not, then this is the definition of a scam.
Whether or not the intent was malicious, is not something that I want to get into (we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment). The question is how to completely resolve the situation?
[1] - Correct me if I misunderstood something.

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

[gravitate]

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.
I am the only person who lost money here.

[Lauda]

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

That's a good start. So technically OP's buyer is the one that is missing the funds at the moment? I'm not entirely sure how this could be remedied as sending the funded amount to them is much different from getting a funded coin (if they have peeled it already?). I wonder what bitenvy thinks/wants after the video.

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.

Not entirely true. There have been cases of people paying only after being exposed.

[gravitate]

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin. I have found away to peel the stickers live.

So I will make a count down for the peeling.
I can do it on twitter live feed after checking with the suggestion. So I suggest sat or sunday

That's a good start. So technically OP's buyer is the one that is missing the funds at the moment? I'm not entirely sure how this could be remedied as sending the funded amount to them is much different from getting a funded coin (if they have peeled it already?). I wonder what bitenvy thinks/wants after the video.

Anyway also a scammer doesn't pay people back.. before this scam accusation I had already paid back digicoinuser.

Not entirely true. There have been cases of people paying only after being exposed.

Yes I understand. If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way. If I had not refunded MinerJones and sent him some new coins. I could understand a scam accusation really I could. But I did the honest thing and I lost money and my time which right now is precious.  

I would have realised I made this mistake eventually but it could have been months away.

Anyway let me sign up to twitter and see if my phone can pick up the private key detail.

When I peel the sticker I will show half of the key, redeem the bitcoin then paste the full private key to see if  it matches with the ones I posted months ago. If that ok great if not then please let me know how I can change it.

[Lauda]

I am the only one who lost money- either way.

This doesn't seem to be true to me. If person A was supposed to get a coin that was funded, but it was empty, that person has also lost money (not to mention reputation when re-selling it unknowingly as funded while it was unfunded).

When I peel the sticker I will show half of the key, redeem the bitcoin then paste the full private key to see if  it matches with the ones I posted months ago. If that ok great if not then please let me know how I can change it.

You should check in with OP via PM (if possible) to see what they find acceptable first, then we can vouch in. Doing something that OP disagrees with won't help remedy the problem.

[gravitate]

OK I sent him a PM to ask.

[ab8989]

If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way.

Look. You already admitted that you made several mistakes and stupid decisions for example not keeping proper books on what is going on and changing colour coding midstream to be something else than advertized. Mistakes cost money. It is totally unreasonable to expect to be able to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions without it costing you money. Do not make mistakes or stupid decisions is the lesson here.

That being said whether it was a mistake or a scam cannot be argued on how dumb it would be. I would think it would be dumber to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions compared to being a failed scammer that got cought. At least being a scammer there would be some quarter-sensible motive trying to do things like this rather than just being plain dumb.

[gravitate]

If I am a scammer I must be the dumbest scammer in the history of Bitcoin because exposed or not exposed I am the only one who lost money- either way.

Look. You already admitted that you made several mistakes and stupid decisions for example not keeping proper books on what is going on and changing colour coding midstream to be something else than advertized. Mistakes cost money. It is totally unreasonable to expect to be able to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions without it costing you money. Do not make mistakes or stupid decisions is the lesson here.

That being said whether it was a mistake or a scam cannot be argued on how dumb it would be. I would think it would be dumber to make this many mistakes and stupid decisions compared to being a failed scammer that got cought. At least being a scammer there would be some quarter-sensible motive trying to do things like this rather than just being plain dumb.

Thank you for your views on the matter. Its a little hard to understand because of your use of the English language but I think I got the main idea. You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes. I can't say I fully agree with you on that but it sure is something to think about!

[finrope]

hey guys !   Just stop and think for a minute. Gravitate isn't and has never been a scammer. Get back to reality.
i cant beleive it... 

[LadangGalau]

hey guys !   Just stop and think for a minute. Gravitate isn't and has never been a scammer. Get back to reality.
i cant beleive it... 

whaaaaat ? !   gravitate a scammer   WTF ? !! GRAVITATE ISN'T A SCAMMER !!!

[ab8989]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

[defcon23]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

lol   i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?    https://app.grammarly.com/   

[actmyname]

You think its better to try scam someone as opposed to making mistakes.

No. Not better. It might be better explanation although I am not sure about the word "better" in that context either. I don't remember using that word.

lol   i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?    https://app.grammarly.com/    

Your English skills seem worse off, in my opinion. I'm catching 8 mistakes via Grammarly from your post, and absolutely none from ab8989's post. How ironic, hm?


The only grammatical issue that I might have with ab8989's reply is that they are missing an "a" between "It might be" and "better explanation"

Let's analyze yours:

lol  i was knowing my english isnt  good ... but your is completely broken dude .. did you tried grammarly ?

• 1. "i" should be capitalized
• 2. "was knowing" should be "know"
• 3. "english" should be capitalized to "English"
• 4. "isnt" should be "isn't"
• 5. "your is" should be "your's is"
• 6. ".." should be either a period or an ellipsis
• 7. Given 6, "did" should be capitalized.
• 8. "you tried" should be "you try"
• 9. Lots of spacing issues before and after punctuation

** I would personally add a comma after "broken" and before "dude" but it's not completely necessary. Also, Grammarly should probably be capitalized.

Note: I don't consider myself great in terms English skills, but I think I'm pretty well off.

Back on topic: I await the peeling of the hologram and the conclusion of what OP requires from him.

[Ellen Alemany]

Everyday I check here I hope to see the probelm has been resolved but Gravitate is doing everything possible to not make that happen.

Just send him his btc and get it over with.

[gravitate]

Well I messaged bitenvy. No response. So I will plan for the peeling next weekend I will put a countdown timer on when I figure out how.

[buckrogers]

How are you involved in WAC and the great mango ponzi?

[buckrogers]

My account on bitcointalk has been handed over to my legal team. They will get the information they need and when it has finished I will announce I have it back under my control.

is your "legal team " going to refund all the stolen funds from the golden egg games? and the WAC coins you stole?

[buckrogers]

Well I messaged bitenvy. No response. So I will plan for the peeling next weekend I will put a countdown timer on when I figure out how.

you can send me a few dozen coins to peel i can video the whole thing should take about 10 minutes

[bitenvy]

To summarize what I understood here:
Gravitate is supposed to sell coin X with Y BTC funded to bitenvy. Gravitate sells it as a funded coin. Bitenvy later sold the same coin to someone else, who discovered that it was funded with 0 BTC [1]. So either Gravitate sold coin X, but did not fund it or Gravitate sold the wrong coin (which was not funded either). Either way, if it was sold as funded, but was not, then this is the definition of a scam.
Whether or not the intent was malicious, is not something that I want to get into (we've had enough fanboys drop in their useless comment). The question is how to completely resolve the situation?
[1] - Correct me if I misunderstood something.

I think you are right with the understanding of the coin.

Thank you for admitting your guilt and that you scammed me.  I’m pretty much done here… 

[gravitate]

If you want to call a mistake a scam no worries. Do you still want me to arrange to peel these coins?