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November 30, 2010, 05:44:13 AM
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Err Huge protest in Greece in 2008. Huge protest now in UK over the student cuts. I think they know its a majority and also the France strikes were pretty popular. Your minority government cover up idea is not real.

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November 30, 2010, 06:30:56 AM
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Err Huge protest in Greece in 2008. Huge protest now in UK over the student cuts. I think they know its a majority and also the France strikes were pretty popular. Your minority government cover up idea is not real.

When will all these tuition strikers learn about Wikiversity?

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November 30, 2010, 06:34:00 AM
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Err Huge protest in Greece in 2008. Huge protest now in UK over the student cuts. I think they know its a majority and also the France strikes were pretty popular. Your minority government cover up idea is not real.
The truck drivers in Greece got fucked over in the end. The people in France lost. Don't think it will go different in the UK. As far as I am concerned you are only supporting my point.

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November 30, 2010, 06:42:49 AM
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The same money they pay in taxes will get them killed if they oppose the government too much.

Young man, you seriously overestimate the power of an unpopular government.  The greatest tool of control available to any government is the meme that the government represents the will of the people, followed closely by the meme that the government's collective force exceeds that of those who would oppose it.  Vary rarely has either of those conditions actually been proven true once put to the test.

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November 30, 2010, 06:47:05 AM
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Protests are weak and least likely to do anything.

All you do is put up signs and gather in a large rally.....that does nothing.

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November 30, 2010, 06:57:03 AM
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Protests are weak and least likely to do anything.

All you do is put up signs and gather in a large rally.....that does nothing.

Mostly, but not quite.  Rallies also help to combat the first meme that I mentioned above by dispelling the belief that those who quietly oppose the ruling class are part of a impotently small minority. 

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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November 30, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
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Fine
Spanish Civil War.

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November 30, 2010, 06:43:36 PM
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Fine
Spanish Civil War.
I already said that there was a time in which demonstrations could have consequences for those in power. That time is over.

Another example: look at the nuclear waste transports through Germany. It took 75 hours to travel a distance which should be more like 10 hours or so. The only thing which was displayed is that there are a lot of people that don't like nuclear waste, but the objective of the government was still achieved.



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November 30, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
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You joined to protest on streets or spent at home with your computer?
Can you explain the purpose of going into the streets?

The aim is to show that you have a lot people and you are committed.

So. You're not going to deny human rights violations on the Guantanamo base ? And nothing happened!

I think if something happens with wikileaks crew nothing to happens too. The more that citizens are also no consensus on the good they do or not and it is also advantageous to the government.

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November 30, 2010, 07:08:09 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp (grep torture)

You joined to protest on the streets or spent at home with your computer?
Well, those are prisoners taken in Afghanistan and Iraq.  It would be different with a citizen of our own country.


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November 30, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp (grep torture)

You joined to protest on the streets or spent at home with your computer?
Well, those are prisoners taken in Afghanistan and Iraq.  It would be different with a citizen of our own country.



Assange are also not citizen of the U.S.!

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November 30, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp (grep torture)

You joined to protest on the streets or spent at home with your computer?
Well, those are prisoners taken in Afghanistan and Iraq.  It would be different with a citizen of our own country.



Assange are also not citizen of the U.S.!
I know Smiley I'm neither. But if the U.S. went kidnapping people here and then torturing them, we'd be very shocked.

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November 30, 2010, 07:34:15 PM
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You joined to protest on streets or spent at home with your computer?
Can you explain the purpose of going into the streets?

The aim is to show that you have a lot people and you are committed.
Committed to do what? If you cannot touch the leaders in a meaningful way, it is pointless.

Let's take a look at Iran. A large part of the world does not agree with their actions of developing the exact same technology they already have. The CIA could demonstrate, but they can also just blow up a few nuclear scientists (which is likely what they have done). The credo "might is right" of the Nazi's is spot on. No might, no right.


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November 30, 2010, 07:43:50 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp (grep torture)

You joined to protest on the streets or spent at home with your computer?
Well, those are prisoners taken in Afghanistan and Iraq.  It would be different with a citizen of our own country.



Assange are also not citizen of the U.S.!
I know Smiley I'm neither. But if the U.S. went kidnapping people here and then torturing them, we'd be very shocked.

Ok, I agree: torturing of dirty afghans is ok, but australians is savagery.

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November 30, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
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You joined to protest on streets or spent at home with your computer?
Can you explain the purpose of going into the streets?

The aim is to show that you have a lot people and you are committed.
Committed to do what? If you cannot touch the leaders in a meaningful way, it is pointless.

To starting an armed struggle against the authorities. In this case, blood is spilled.

The street protests means that.

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November 30, 2010, 07:54:38 PM
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To starting an armed struggle against the authorities. In this case, blood is spilled.

The street protests means that.

If you want to die against military trained killers, good luck with that.

What you need to do is:

1. Undermine their credibility.
2. Reduce dependence on the state.
3. Increase your credibility.

Rebellions will likely be crushed. Even if you succeed, a power-hungry demagogue will rise to power and make your life even worser. Don't count on it.

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November 30, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
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You joined to protest on streets or spent at home with your computer?
Can you explain the purpose of going into the streets?

The aim is to show that you have a lot people and you are committed.
Committed to do what? If you cannot touch the leaders in a meaningful way, it is pointless.

To starting an armed struggle against the authorities. In this case, blood is spilled.

The street protests means that.
Oh, I imagine the government must be really scared of trying to attack its population with the most modern weapons money can buy. An armed struggle will just destabilize the country, but will not have any effect on the government if they want (look at dictatorships), unless the military decides to stop supporting the government (which is why unmanned vehicles are getting so popular).

We are going to a society in which the president can select all the demonstrators from a database (automatically based on camera data, of course), press one button and kill all of them. This might be done by sending missiles, but it could also be done by analysing the DNA, finding a biochemical agent which mysteriously kills a particular part of the population of just one specific individual (they can create flying machines the size of a musquito already that no doubt could also be equipped with some untraceable poison). You can do it slowly enough, and the people will never notice what hit them. You also don't have to completely kill them, you just have to weaken them. For an example of that look at the presidential candidate of some Eastern-Europe country that was poisoned.

This might sound radical, but I am not the one who invented the every increasing more efficient weaponry on which the US (and other nations) spend about a trillion dollars a year. Everything in the previous paragraph is technically already possible, and 80% is probably already implemented or could be operational in a year after the system is desired. Systems of control like that simply have never existed before in history.

In a country in which there exists an asymmetric power balance between large parts of the population and the government, you get tyranny. I am not suggesting that everyone should have access to their own nuclear bomb, but owning a gun or even a tank (if lots of people in the community vouch for you for example) should be perfectly reasonable and perhaps even mandatory.

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December 01, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
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To starting an armed struggle against the authorities. In this case, blood is spilled.

The street protests means that.

If you want to die against military trained killers, good luck with that.

Willingness to die is not the same thing that die.

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December 01, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
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To starting an armed struggle against the authorities. In this case, blood is spilled.

The street protests means that.

If you want to die against military trained killers, good luck with that.

Willingness to die is not the same thing that die.

A million thing can go wrong...

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December 01, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
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I feel a disturbance in the force...

Is it a revolution coming ?

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