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[gamblingbad]

The answer, like the one immediately after your post, is soon. 

There's still a lot of work to do, but we will get it done.

soon? more than one year like v2

how soon will we see RBIES implemented?

we have still some RBIES and I am sure there are more users sitting on RBIES

@gamblingbad did you sell all your RBIES?

Yes, sold all to DD. Atleast he gave option to holders to sell out, since i bought on the promise that rbies was going to be added.

And i didnt like that NXT asset option so happy i got out without a big loss.

[alani123]

Intense playing action going on at Provably.io right now, already over 400+ wagered

To bad ovlar havent stop at the time he was 20 btc up. I would hear investors crying again.

Investor Profit                -25.7 BTC
App owners Commission 407.7 BTC
MoneyPot Commission    152.8 BTC

Investors take biggest risk but no reward, all go to app owners and moneypot. So investors have a reason for cry.

Well that's interesting. Investors do indeed seem to be taking the risk through the platform's gambling. I wonder what it'd take for them to come back to profit; gamblers would probably have to be unrealistically unlucky for that to happen at this point.

[JackpotRacer]

The answer, like the one immediately after your post, is soon. 

There's still a lot of work to do, but we will get it done.

soon? more than one year like v2

how soon will we see RBIES implemented?

we have still some RBIES and I am sure there are more users sitting on RBIES

@gamblingbad did you sell all your RBIES?

Yes, sold all to DD. Atleast he gave option to holders to sell out, since i bought on the promise that rbies was going to be added.

And i didnt like that NXT asset option so happy i got out without a big loss.

glad to hear that you could get out and no big loss

did you sell to DD for the 1k for each RBIES?

[JackpotRacer]

^ Question to Gamblingbad that is not required to have an answer:

If Moneypot had not taken over, backed up a 1000 Satoshi floor for each Rubies, how better or worse off would you be?

ask BTCJoe how much he paid in average for the RBIES he bought cause he was believing your "soon" and we bought about the same time with an average of about 3k each RBIES. now do the maths and tell me how better or worse it is

[gamblingbad]

^ Question to Gamblingbad that is not required to have an answer:

If Moneypot had not taken over, backed up a 1000 Satoshi floor for each Rubies, how better or worse off would you be?

Iam glad DD bought my rbies. Because i would never be able to sell it. I had over 2,7M rbies at the most. But i would never bought if i didnt think rbies wasent going to be added. My post was to someone who was crying over some people crying. And just posted the fact investors not made profit in probably over a year.

[shulio]

^ Question to Gamblingbad that is not required to have an answer:

If Moneypot had not taken over, backed up a 1000 Satoshi floor for each Rubies, how better or worse off would you be?

Iam glad DD bought my rbies. Because i would never be able to sell it. I had over 2,7M rbies at the most. But i would never bought if i didnt think rbies wasent going to be added. My post was to someone who was crying over some people crying. And i just posted what stats are.

Well it is a part that investor should take, it might not be a short term project however it might take months. They are going to add it sooner or later otherwise they will not be taking offer for rubies at 1k, it will be more or less collecting useless coin. They might have a plan for it however it is delayed for various reason

[JackpotRacer]

Question for Investors

Should Moneypot Head Developer and Owners be allowed to wager on their own and Moneypot apps?  IMO not with their known user name and not with fake user names. sure that test bets should be allowed but we all can differ between test bets and gambler bets

just to be clear that it is not because we lost 4 BTC (25%) of our investment. it is because MP  is disrespecting their investors and deleting my postings like this one
yea check out the disrespectful answers (above) we get as investors and we lost about 4 BTC = ~25% of our investment

Dogedigital is calling me (an investor of 16 BTC and we lost 4 BTC) a Troll. yea 4BTC might not be a lot for Dogedigital and the following numbers are explaining his disrespectful behavior

those are the last numbers posted in MP thread


Investor Profit                -25.7 BTC
App owners Commission 407.7 BTC
MoneyPot Commission    152.8 BTC


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg18306410#msg18306410


MP is still a great business idea and it is in your hands and you can still start to handle it in the transparency needed to bring it to the success it deserves. this is not an attack but an eye opener like a few users tried before me but didnt succeed as we soon will see

I personally and as an investor dont feel comfortable with the fact that the Head Dev and MP owners are gambling/wagering on MP apps and it doesnt matter if MP owners owning those apps or not. you will agree that you know the server seeds and therefore should not gamble/wager at all beside for tests.

I dont want you (Head Dev and Mp owners) to win or lose because if you win it leaves a very bad taste and if you lose you might be forced to take it back. we all know that feeling of a gambler who wants to win back his losses.

MP Head Dev promised that he will not gamble/wager anymore like a medium or grown up whale. please check here the posting
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16764148#msg16764148

in his own words
To be perfectly honest with you I don't really gamble online. I will play on occasion to kill time. If you and others are uncomfortable with me wagering on MoneyPot, I'll forfeit any further activity outside small test wagers which I will do on occasion for QA and app testing. I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot.

the last part I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot left a bad taste because if you are  a gambler as it looks like you could lose outside of MP and then try to get it back from MP investors. why to gamble at all if you are owner of MP platform and already own many apps just enjoy the +EV you have

Head Dev Ray aka CrazyCraig posted the following
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16753223#msg16753223

saying that on November 02
What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board.

net losses just about everywhere on the board, ok so lets check CrazyCraig (Head Dev) stats of today

Casino             Bets   Wagered                      Net Profit
Provably.io     61663   1,704,555,228.63 bits   8,814,597.43 bits

Bit-Exo             5495   211,904,908.08 bits   -146,975.66 bits

BetterBets           761    15,616,496.81 bits   -297,040.13 bits

BubblesBit              113      4,577,742 bits            250,359 bits

Vegas Casino Bits   413        339,905.12 bits   -110,406.36 bits

the full stats you can see here
https://www.moneypot.com/users/crazycraig


8.8 BTC Profit and ~ 1700 BTC wagered hmmm I call this a whale gambler and not an Head Dev who is doing test bets

1700 BTC wagered will give the app owner(s) with 1% HE 50% is 8.5 BTC and who gets the other 8.5? the investors and MP owners (please correct me if I am wrong). how much will get the MP owners from this 8.5 BTC?

here are some samples of bets the head dev did (cant be test bets imo) after he promised to do only test bets (please pay attention to the betting pattern)







oh let me show you who owns this provably.io app

Username          Role        Appointed At
CrazyCraig        OWNER       10 months ago
BlackSheep        OWNER         3 months ago
ranlo                OWNER         3 months ago

lets take another MP owner who not long ago outed him after almost 1 year as MP owner = BlackSheep
what took him so long to out him as MP owner?
https://www.moneypot.com/users/blacksheep

BlackSheep was introduced after new owners took over as
The Team
Matt - Matt has been in the cryptocurrency scene since 2012. He is just re-entering the scene after taking a year off. His friends call him Rango.

why didnt they write that Matt is aka AcoinL aka......etc? not that long ago AcoinL posted on BCT and his language and the word FUD was very familiar to me and I asked him in BCT if he is Rango from MP and he confirmed it. I remember very well that Rango was the only one with server access when the new owners took over and any problem that came up we were informed in slack that we need to wait for Rango to get access to a computer to fix any problem or restart the server.

why are MP owners not using one username like RHAVAR when he was MP owner just to be transparent? RHavar didnt gamble and had no reason to have multiple user names as owner and to be frank I dont see any reason to use more than one user name as MP owner. in contrary as an investor imo it is not acceptable
 
some examples

Dogedigital aka Moneypotsupport aka moneypot_user
Ranlo aka Laremar
BlackSheep aka Rango aka Matt aka AcoinL aka MattN and who knows how many more

lets see how many MP apps MP owners own or are partnered with. here are some I know and lets start with the featured ones

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/877-vegas-casino-bits = Blacksheep listed as Mod but he is Partner according to Vegascasinobits owner

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/55-plinkopot = moneypot_user & Laremar (aka Ranlo)

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/1494-coinmillions = BlackSheep

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/529-wheelpot = MoneyPotSupport

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/1221-provablyio = CrazyCraig & BlackSheep & ranlo

not in featured list

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/864-plinkopot-classic = laremar & MattN

I always thought BlackSheep is a MP player and he doesnt like me personally but as soon I knew he is MP owner I understand the reason of his sentence and it shows it is a personal thingy against me Jackpotracer and Jackpotracer's app Dust Lottery. MP in those times announced the change to 1 bit min bet to get rid of our Dust Lottery and BlackSheep spoke it out in another MP app chat
Monwypot should take care of their business and not wasting time with personal fights



I could go on and on but it should be enough as a wake up call for MP owners to start to be transparent as every platform owner should be.

I sure will not stop to asking the legit questions again and again as an Investor


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg17719554#msg17719554


your answer was
This is still being calculated and will be introduced soon.

how much did NotTardy deposit when he started out at Dust Lottery?

when will RBIES be implemented?

how many MP owners are there right now and who has access to the server seeds?
(ranlo said not long ago that there are 3 admins for MP but technically 4)

how many MP owner's nick names did we all miss? please enlighten us

while searching for RHavar's posting that Dogedigital is behaving like a clown (didnt find it yet) I found those interesting postings and another proof of Dogeditigal to try to fool their investors or he himself is a clown and fool who doesnt understand how the important seeds part works or should work. in both cases he is a failure and shouldnt handle this kind of business. but I am proud to be the Troll  



here the link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16748931#msg16748931



here the link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16749055#msg16749055



imo it is time for the explicit answers and to call me a Troll instead answering such important questions would be to easy and I will not let you treat an investor who lost 4BTC (25% of investment) like shit (trust me!!!) and your private opinion dosent matter if you dont like me "Jackpotracer"

BTW your preferred treatment as always sucks!!! lets take plinkopot https://www.moneypot.com/apps/55-plinkopot for months no action/wager but on the featured list or Jackpotracer why is it still on the featured list?

I am sure investors would like to see working and nice apps on the featured list and not dead apps!!!
for example BtcDragon shoul  be long ago on the featured list!!! https://www.moneypot.com/apps/1406-btcdragon-casino
 

thx for reading and sorry for my bad english and if Dogedigital thinks this is a posting of a troll just delete it as always in your unprofessional way and hide your head in the sand like a little child

[CrazyCraig]

What do you want JPR? Your beating a dead horse for the 5th time this week. It's getting ridiculous.

There is nothing wrong with me betting under my main account. Atleast I am transparent. I could make alts if I wanted and hide it from everyone but why? I'm up and down all the time. At one point -4. I don't get your points. Everyone I've talked to said they would rather have me bet on my main account.

And you need to stop with the aquasations of me cheating. Every query we do is logged and each one of the MP owners have access to it via log files and portal. Our code base is open to our team and managed in a central repository. IF any were to cheat we would know almost instantly. Additionally, I AM INVESTED TOO!!

You are the most toxic thing to come to MP. Your app has attributed to 1/4 of the profit decline of MP. You have been toxic towards our community and other app owners. Get over the fact that we stopped letting your app take advantage of us and move on. You made over 25 bitcoin on the nottardy win with your apps forced tipping. Stop acting like you were  screwed.

[Dogedigital]

To everyone else reading this.

I apologize. 

These arguments are clearly personal and do not really belong here.

If you do decide to listen/read JPR's 'points', please dig further as many of his arguments are out of context and ignorantly misplaced.

If you have questions about any of it, feel free to contact me and I will help clarify the situations.

[B_UN1T]

Please give me some popcorn guys! Will this battle between you jpr/doge and craig ever end?

I could fire on both sides atm, but for the moment i only give it a few words!

Doge give jpr the answers he want as Investor. (He is not longer a app owner on mp, maybe you should watch his questions from another view now) and jpr please please (bro in love) stop spamming every mp thread! We both think the same the concept is very very good behind mp and i like it a lot! Dont want to say more for the moment later more, after i have sleep a few hour over all!

This is not a attack against any of you!
I as the guy how wagered most and on nearly every app (2781) want you to stop this! Do you find shit like this on primedice safedice yolo or any other thread??? This is bad pr!!!!!

And if you havent seen this!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1842538.0
........

[Quickseller]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

[DarkDays]

Easy question: do people with access to info that could potentially give them an unfair advantage gamble on the site?

[JackpotRacer]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

finally someone with brain and understanding is saying what I am saying in a short way and better english than mine. but I am the Troll according to DD so lets see if Quickseller is also a Troll

it is a must IMO that the Head Dev (he has access to the seeds as DD confirmed) and MP owners who will not gamble and only do test bets. test bets differ a lot from gamblers bets and it is easy to see that the Head Dev is a gambler

[0xfff]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

finally someone with brain and understanding is saying what I am saying in a short way and better english than mine. but I am the Troll according to DD so lets see if Quickseller is also a Troll

it is a must IMO that the Head Dev (he has access to the seeds as DD confirmed) and MP owners who will not gamble and only do test bets. test bets differ a lot from gamblers bets and it is easy to see that the Head Dev is a gambler

It is not the questions that make someone a troll, it is the person, attacks, and malicious intent that does.

I am not looking to avoid questions, I am only looking to avoid you specifically.  Please understand the difference.

I consider the only troll to be you JPR.  Even if you have a serious question, it is inserted into a block of nonsense and you always have ulterior motives.
edit; You setup posts looking for general answers so that you can attack.  You look to twist our words in order to fight us. I admit that I have been disrespectful towards you, but I have tried logic and reasoning for over a year with you and it does not work.  I will not treat anyone else the same way I do with you.

Having said that, we have had a long discussion last night, and even though we still feel this was an appropriate and transparent way of handling it, the 2 people with access, myself being one, have decided to cease all betting aside from testing to avoid any issues.

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

[Bjorn_Blockchain]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

finally someone with brain and understanding is saying what I am saying in a short way and better english than mine. but I am the Troll according to DD so lets see if Quickseller is also a Troll

it is a must IMO that the Head Dev (he has access to the seeds as DD confirmed) and MP owners who will not gamble and only do test bets. test bets differ a lot from gamblers bets and it is easy to see that the Head Dev is a gambler

It is not the questions that make someone a troll, it is the person, attacks, and malicious intent that does.

I am not looking to avoid questions, I am only looking to avoid you specifically.  Please understand the difference.

I consider the only troll to be you JPR.  Even if you have a serious question, it is inserted into a block of nonsense and you always have ulterior motives.
edit; You setup posts looking for general answers so that you can attack.  You look to twist our words in order to fight us. I admit that I have been disrespectful towards you, but I have tried logic and reasoning for over a year with you and it does not work.  I will not treat anyone else the same way I do with you.

Having said that, we have had a long discussion last night, and even though we still feel this was an appropriate and transparent way of handling it, the 2 people with access, myself being one, have decided to cease all betting aside from testing to avoid any issues.

I know it's impossible for those who do not know you on a personal level, but for over a year you have gained my respect as an owner, a businessman, and just a general great human being.

To those who are unsure of what to think, I will share this. Our team as some of you may be aware will be shifting heavily into mainstream business with heavy focus. (70% mainstream sites/30% crypto). We entrusted many vital operations with dogedigital in order to help us during our business endeavors. He has not only proven to our team to be trustworthy, but also has the best interest of seeing moneypot and those utilizing their services thrive and do well.

One of our staff showed me this thread today and it's extremely disappointing reading the nonsense that is completely off topic flowing the past few pages. We are grown men and women, let's not forget that to achieve great work it has to be at least accurate. I would vouch for the integrity of Keeth any day and his wish with moneypot is success, security,  and player enjoyment. That's it, no more no less. I gain nothing by vouching for him except that I'd wish that people take a step back and realize this is business and igaming with immutable money. Let's enjoy the fact we even have the opportunity to have fun and people in this industry work hard to provide it.

[CrazyCraig]

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

[fiscorcle]

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

No offense (and I'm not trying to take sides here), but that's the same response you guys give to everything "soon(tm)". Soon has come a few times over for some stuff...

[0xfff]

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

Why are you testing on your production servers anyway? That is a terrible thing to do. 

[Quickseller]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

finally someone with brain and understanding is saying what I am saying in a short way and better english than mine. but I am the Troll according to DD so lets see if Quickseller is also a Troll

it is a must IMO that the Head Dev (he has access to the seeds as DD confirmed) and MP owners who will not gamble and only do test bets. test bets differ a lot from gamblers bets and it is easy to see that the Head Dev is a gambler

It is not the questions that make someone a troll, it is the person, attacks, and malicious intent that does.

I am not looking to avoid questions, I am only looking to avoid you specifically.  Please understand the difference.

I consider the only troll to be you JPR.  Even if you have a serious question, it is inserted into a block of nonsense and you always have ulterior motives.
edit; You setup posts looking for general answers so that you can attack.  You look to twist our words in order to fight us. I admit that I have been disrespectful towards you, but I have tried logic and reasoning for over a year with you and it does not work.  I will not treat anyone else the same way I do with you.

Having said that, we have had a long discussion last night, and even though we still feel this was an appropriate and transparent way of handling it, the 2 people with access, myself being one, have decided to cease all betting aside from testing to avoid any issues.

I know it's impossible for those who do not know you on a personal level, but for over a year you have gained my respect as an owner, a businessman, and just a general great human being.

To those who are unsure of what to think, I will share this. Our team as some of you may be aware will be shifting heavily into mainstream business with heavy focus. (70% mainstream sites/30% crypto). We entrusted many vital operations with dogedigital in order to help us during our business endeavors. He has not only proven to our team to be trustworthy, but also has the best interest of seeing moneypot and those utilizing their services thrive and do well.

One of our staff showed me this thread today and it's extremely disappointing reading the nonsense that is completely off topic flowing the past few pages. We are grown men and women, let's not forget that to achieve great work it has to be at least accurate. I would vouch for the integrity of Keeth any day and his wish with moneypot is success, security,  and player enjoyment. That's it, no more no less. I gain nothing by vouching for him except that I'd wish that people take a step back and realize this is business and igaming with immutable money. Let's enjoy the fact we even have the opportunity to have fun and people in this industry work hard to provide it.

I agree that DD is a very respectable businessperson, however I think he made the right decision to not allow gambling via MP if you have access to the server seeds.

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

If there was a business reason why someone with access to the server seeds *needs* to gamble on MP (for example for testing), then I would suggest that MP develop and implement a policy that the amounts gambled, and the potential winnings be nominal, for example to keep the total amount gambled and the total winnings under $25 per month -- even *if* there was cheating, then it would not have a statically meaningful impact on the investors.

[staxxd]

Just launched our new game on MoneyPot

DRAGONS WHEEL

had a few small dramas but they are now sorted so come for a look https://btcdragon.com

It's a unique twist on the wheel game and I did enjoy being able to bet on the different possible outcomes but I don't understand how or why the HE is over 18%. Several of the other games on BTCdragon.com also seem to have a higher HE than most mp casinos I have played on. I am just confused as to why that is? Thank you for the creative and fun new games.

Hi staxxd yes if you read our main thread its all explained there and the HE has been sorted , it was noted to me and there was a small problem with the math but it has been sorted and thanks we are trying to bring in different games as for the house edge it has to do with probability, chance of winning and so on and goes back to the maths , some games just cant have a 1% house edge unless we manipulate the possible % of the outcome and thats not the way to do it cause if we did then the provably fair system wouldnt really be fair but , like the wheel there is 7 numbers that can come up ) over 52 positions on the wheel, so to double your money you have a 46% chance of getting that is you select and bet on the x1 position , and at the other end the x47 position , you have a 1.9% chance of getting that if betting on only won of them , and when the maths is done the house edge is 7.7% that we get back from Moneypot once they do there bit on the info that is sent , i mean we could make it harder to get the x47 times but that would mean modifying the % structure and well 52 positions is 52 positions so the % of getting any particular position is a fixed % , so 100%/52 positions = 1.92% and thats the way it has to be to be fair to all concerned then the HE is worked out on what positions you take and chance of win/lose , hope that helps a bit , but read it on the other thread mate or message me

Okay thanks for the quick reply!

Not to be rude but there are some major issues with this site/game. The game is simply not done correctly. There is no possible way to find your bet ID once the history page has passed the 100 on the moneypot history page for the site. Also, the math is totally wrong on the game. It says you've won more than you have on as far as I have seen every single multiplier. Here is an example.

Sorry but 11x2 is not 24. Just as 5x3 is not 18. The house edge has gone from over 18% to just under 8% but this is still insane. I can handle the high HE which is why I returned, but what reason is there for the incorrect math on the amounts won? When it says "won" 24 bits and I finally track down my bet ID (when I am able to catch it on the mp history page) and find out I win 9 bits I feel pretty cheated. I understand I opted to play for the jackpot and this costs some extra satoshi and that is fine but I hope that you can understand that these things make a difference in someone wagering 15 bits and 500 and until some solid improvements are made I don't think I will be playing here.

I hope you understand this is being said because I do like the direction the site is going and the attitude of the admin/mods I have encountered there and I would really love to see them succeed. I did notice there have been updates but it just seems like there is a lot of forward motion without much consideration going into making sure that the work you've already done is 100% where it needs to be before moving on. Best of luck!

edited to add link to image http://imgur.com/a/XMOy6