SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization.

[noel2123]

I am surprised by the willingness of people to colonize other planets. Would it not be better to extend the life on our beautiful planet earth? What is the point to live in inhuman conditions on Mars and destroy the earth.

The problem is that our planet is divided into more than 200 countries. Some of these countries may be interested in preserving the planet, while the others may be against that idea. So what are you going to do? Invade those countries which doesn't agree?

To invade a country is not a good way. I think the best option is the economic blockade. To live in a global world, isolation is not possible. Just need a good control of the embargo and the economy will collapse.

Economic blockades and embargoes does not work against stronger nations. For example, the worst polluters in the world include countries such as Saudi Arabia and China. Who is going to impose sanctions against these nations?

Well I agree China, Russia agree, but what's Saudi Arabia? In any case against any country can impose sanctions. What would happen to China if all will stop buying and sell them any products. And it's not difficult.

It is not difficult for those countries that has a lot of budget, only those nations that are rich can explore the mars. With the highly and newly technologies, they can experiment and discover a new innovations on Mars. There a plenty of ideas to live on mars, plenty of research and scientific proof to live on Mars

[Xester]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

[xdtiagonzhar]

I am surprised by the willingness of people to colonize other planets. Would it not be better to extend the life on our beautiful planet earth? What is the point to live in inhuman conditions on Mars and destroy the earth.

I agree with you.
We have so much problems to solve here on the Earth like poverty, hunger, wars etc.
Can you imagine if we, instead of spending billions of $ in space program, invest this money in Africa, and help the poor people there?
What is the meaning to send a few people to Mars?
The question is also how they will survive such a trip because of radiation, bone loss and other problems?
What they can achieve there realistically?
Nothing.

Oh did you think human will forever live in earth till sun become bigger and eat earth, or did you think human extinct before this event happen?

Nope right, in the end human will be forced to change the planet they live in, and mars will be their stepping stone.

[wowanstrong]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Do you think that human life is enough to have food and oxygen? If you live in the middle East and will move somewhere in Canada that you long to live there can't. The human body depends on the climate. What then to speak about Mars.

[BADecker]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Science is looking for life on Mars. They won't let a bunch of colonists contaminate Mars until they determine that there is no life on Mars. Mars is reasonably large. Completely checking out every last "corner" of Mars for life could take thousands of years. They won't let us colonize Mars until the search is done.

All talk of colonizing Mars is BS, designed to put money into the pockets of the BSers.

[igorokavg13]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Science is looking for life on Mars. They won't let a bunch of colonists contaminate Mars until they determine that there is no life on Mars. Mars is reasonably large. Completely checking out every last "corner" of Mars for life could take thousands of years. They won't let us colonize Mars until the search is done.

All talk of colonizing Mars is BS, designed to put money into the pockets of the BSers.

I agree with you. If the study of the moon may still have some practical value for humans, then all the talk about the colonization of Mars is simply an attempt to steal money from the budget.

[Spendulus]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Why don't you run some numbers on how many acres of production that is?  Remember it is all inside under lamps, nothing will grow outside in the dirt.

Then explain how you get that size of an area under a pressure dome on Mars.

[Spendulus]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Science is looking for life on Mars. They won't let a bunch of colonists contaminate Mars until they determine that there is no life on Mars. Mars is reasonably large. Completely checking out every last "corner" of Mars for life could take thousands of years. They won't let us colonize Mars until the search is done.

All talk of colonizing Mars is BS, designed to put money into the pockets of the BSers.

I agree with you. If the study of the moon may still have some practical value for humans, then all the talk about the colonization of Mars is simply an attempt to steal money from the budget.

I disagree with this, but view Mars colonization as a 500 year goal.  Anyone who proposes it is a 20 year or even a 50 year goal is, yea, just trying to steal money from the budget.

[xdtiagonzhar]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Science is looking for life on Mars. They won't let a bunch of colonists contaminate Mars until they determine that there is no life on Mars. Mars is reasonably large. Completely checking out every last "corner" of Mars for life could take thousands of years. They won't let us colonize Mars until the search is done.

All talk of colonizing Mars is BS, designed to put money into the pockets of the BSers.

I agree with you. If the study of the moon may still have some practical value for humans, then all the talk about the colonization of Mars is simply an attempt to steal money from the budget.

Ya i know that the main purpose of it is to earn money, but you should know its the first step for human to colonizing other planet, ya it will take longer though, maybe 100 years or more.

[GMPoison]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

Science is looking for life on Mars. They won't let a bunch of colonists contaminate Mars until they determine that there is no life on Mars. Mars is reasonably large. Completely checking out every last "corner" of Mars for life could take thousands of years. They won't let us colonize Mars until the search is done.

All talk of colonizing Mars is BS, designed to put money into the pockets of the BSers.

I agree with you. If the study of the moon may still have some practical value for humans, then all the talk about the colonization of Mars is simply an attempt to steal money from the budget.

Ya i know that the main purpose of it is to earn money, but you should know its the first step for human to colonizing other planet, ya it will take longer though, maybe 100 years or more.

He definitely didn't start SpaceX for the sole purpose of making money. A large part of it sure, but he was wealthy before taking the risk that turned into SpaceX. He's expressed his enthusiasm for what SpaceX is all about many times before. He's not your average CEO that can't answer technical questions about what it is his company does.

[margarete11]

As I read this It reminds me of another project called mars-one , Its a one way ticket flying to mars and trying to live there if you do some little research they already training some individuals to make sure that there body will endure the mars environment , I think that the project is likely to be feasible because all the necessity they need was already provided , let's see what happens and hope for the best

[Spendulus]

As I read this It reminds me of another project called mars-one , Its a one way ticket flying to mars and trying to live there if you do some little research they already training some individuals to make sure that there body will endure the mars environment , I think that the project is likely to be feasible because all the necessity they need was already provided , let's see what happens and hope for the best

It was a scam.  No the did not "train some ... endure the mars environment."

There is NO "hope for the best" in space.  It is harsh and unforgiving of the slightest error or oversight.

[wh04m1]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

I know these. It's not a new idea of colonizing Mars. It's been thought for at least 30 years.
At best, a environment like the one in Total Recall is establish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DwNb-ZGVjE

But this will not make us living marsts. We will still be living with the resources in the world.

[zuyfg888]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

I know these. It's not a new idea of colonizing Mars. It's been thought for at least 30 years.
At best, a environment like the one in Total Recall is establish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DwNb-ZGVjE

But this will not make us living marsts. We will still be living with the resources in the world.

I think it is about to colonize Mars, we cannot say that our mother earth will last, I think we need a new one, we cannot claim that our mother earth will still be like the earth before. As long as the climate change or global warming is still affects our mother earth, we think that all this kind of effects will continue, until our mother earth will disappear

[andrei56]

We are not going to colonize Mars anytime soon, just look at the Moon, Only a handful of people have been there, and we are nowhere close to colonizing the moon so colonizing Mars is nothing but a dream right now.

[ooom]

Without plans and goals we would never reach technological level to accomplish this for real. It is not a scam or anything else. It will help us technologically evolve more.

[wh04m1]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

I know these. It's not a new idea of colonizing Mars. It's been thought for at least 30 years.
At best, a environment like the one in Total Recall is establish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DwNb-ZGVjE

But this will not make us living marsts. We will still be living with the resources in the world.

I think it is about to colonize Mars, we cannot say that our mother earth will last, I think we need a new one, we cannot claim that our mother earth will still be like the earth before. As long as the climate change or global warming is still affects our mother earth, we think that all this kind of effects will continue, until our mother earth will disappear

In order to survive in space, the muscular and skeletal system must be suited to the living conditions there. Our lungs and our skin need oxygen. A limited life can be achieved with the current biological structure.

But if serious progress is made in the field of cybernetics, we can continue our existence in space with a different body structure. I know this is a bit utopian. But if we can all become mechanically viable, an extraterrestrial life is possible. To me, humanity will achieve this in the next several century.

[BADecker]

It is possible to create a living environment on a different planet. So people can live in the mars environment. For example, astronauts can survive in a spaceship.

But biologically our body is not suited to the physical conditions of the mars. We will always need devices from around the world. It makes impossible to live in space in a real sense.

Colonization of Mars project is only targeting the first step and that is establishing a small base on mars wherein the selected astronauts will stay and will build a small colony. They will try to survive by planting kinds of vegetables and other plants in the area while expanding the territory. When all is set people can now go to mars and live there. The living environment is not suited for our physical condition but we are not living exposed to the atmosphere but in a closed space where oxygen can flow freely and the temperature is controlled.

I know these. It's not a new idea of colonizing Mars. It's been thought for at least 30 years.
At best, a environment like the one in Total Recall is establish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DwNb-ZGVjE

But this will not make us living marsts. We will still be living with the resources in the world.

I think it is about to colonize Mars, we cannot say that our mother earth will last, I think we need a new one, we cannot claim that our mother earth will still be like the earth before. As long as the climate change or global warming is still affects our mother earth, we think that all this kind of effects will continue, until our mother earth will disappear

In order to survive in space, the muscular and skeletal system must be suited to the living conditions there. Our lungs and our skin need oxygen. A limited life can be achieved with the current biological structure.

But if serious progress is made in the field of cybernetics, we can continue our existence in space with a different body structure. I know this is a bit utopian. But if we can all become mechanically viable, an extraterrestrial life is possible. To me, humanity will achieve this in the next several century.

The start of what you say will be found when research figures out ways to give people enough health that they can live for 200 years, on Earth, in top health. Then, if they can make people to live for 500 years, not only will there be the strength in people to survive colonizing another planet, but people will have to colonize, because of the population explosion following fewer deaths.

[Trading]

I already wrote that we are going to Mars not for technological, economical or any other practical reason (forget about any demographic reason: human population is growing at about 80 million every year: we won’t be able to send 80 million people to Mars every year for the next century and after 2050, probably, the population will start decreasing), but for psychological reasons: pride and self-esteem (and because of the dreams of immortality of some active people).

Some would say, hell, are we going to spend billions just for fun, when we could use this money to eradicate poverty and cure diseases?

Well, we spend much more (trillions) just for fun on millions of things.

Just think about how much we spend making movies. Many are now costing more than 300 millions. The Martian had a budget of 108 million.

Mars Semi-direct, a revised low budget human trip to Mars, would cost 55 billion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct#Mars_Semi-Direct).

But Elon Musk says he can build the Mars rocket for 10 billion (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/science/elon-musk-spacex-mars-exploration.html?_r=0). But let’s put the price of the trip at 20 billion.

That is the price of 66 movies of 300 millions each. Isn’t worthy? I bet we have spent much more than 20 billion making science fiction movies.

The goal about making us a multiplanetary species (I mean, with autonomous colonies in Mars) are still science and economical fiction.

We can say that for humans to have a future, it must be in space, because the sun is going to burn all life on Earth on 3 or 4 billion years.

But that is so far in the future that our chances to go extinct for any other reason are much higher.

Let’s go to Mars for fun, because life is all about that.

[Spendulus]

I already wrote that we are going to Mars not for technological, economical or any other practical reason (forget about any demographic reason: human population is growing at about 80 million every year: we won’t be able to send 80 million people to Mars every year for the next century and after 2050, probably, the population will start decreasing), but for psychological reasons: pride and self-esteem (and because of the dreams of immortality of some active people).

Some would say, hell, are we going to spend billions just for fun, when we could use this money to eradicate poverty and cure diseases?

Well, we spend much more (trillions) just for fun on millions of things.

Just think about how much we spend making movies. Many are now costing more than 300 millions. The Martian had a budget of 108 million.

Mars Semi-direct, a revised low budget human trip to Mars, would cost 55 billion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct#Mars_Semi-Direct).

But Elon Musk says he can build the Mars rocket for 10 billion (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/science/elon-musk-spacex-mars-exploration.html?_r=0). But let’s put the price of the trip at 20 billion.

That is the price of 66 movies of 300 millions each. Isn’t worthy? I bet we have spent much more than 20 billion making science fiction movies.

The goal about making us a multiplanetary species are still science and economical fiction.

We can say that for humans to have a future, it must be in space, because the sun is going to burn all life on Earth on 3 or 4 billion years.

But that is so far in the future that our chances to go extinct for any other reason are much higher.

Let’s go to Mars for fun, because life is all about that.

Um, no, we are not a multiplanetary species if we send a couple people to Mars.  And there is zero certainty that sending a couple of people will result in momentum for sending more and more and more.  People are STILL TRYING to create momentum for continuing the NASA moon program and they are not getting anywhere.'