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June 17, 2011, 12:07:55 AM
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Both of these actions require one thing: Government.
Guns cause murder.  That process requires one thing: a gun.
That's where your leap of illogic fails. Watch:

A gun is an object.

A Government is an organization of individuals.

The existence of a gun does not require violence.

The existence of a Government does require violence.


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June 17, 2011, 01:28:08 AM
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'The government' is not a tool. The government is a group of individuals who may or may not be corrupt (I assume some are and some are not). 'Corporations' are legal fiction. They exist to distance liability from decision makers. They are creations of government and grant legal privelege which is incompatible with the libertarian worldview.

We're not pro-corporatism. I personally have far more issues to pick with corporate law (and corporate welfare) than I do to pick with government, but government still has its own issues.



Can you reconcile those two contradictory statements for me?

People cannot be a tool, there is nothing contradictory here. Tools are inanimate and have no free will, this isn't true of the individuals which make up government, or the individuals which make up corporations.

So, in your alternative universe.... government isn't a tool, but big business plays it like a fiddle to get what they want - so it is a tool used by big business to get what they want.

Makes perfect sense.

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June 17, 2011, 01:31:42 AM
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Not just a big business but a giant forced monopoly.
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June 17, 2011, 01:34:03 AM
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That company has 0.92m employees. Put that in relation to the suicides.

Also this video on sweatshops etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjsshqyAFh8

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June 17, 2011, 02:14:54 AM
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I guess you could say because the Chinese are somewhat intelligent and kill fetuses that would eventually contribute to the downfall of their own society you could say that buying anything from wal-mart or similar corporation would be like aborting your neighbor's unborn child, forcefully, with a coat hanger.

We don't walk around the internet saying things such as this because in internet lands everything is nice. The electricity comes from the wall and the computers come from Asia. It's all happy sunshine in internet!
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June 18, 2011, 07:46:44 AM
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I guess you could say because the Chinese are somewhat intelligent and kill fetuses that would eventually contribute to the downfall of their own society you could say that buying anything from wal-mart or similar corporation would be like aborting your neighbor's unborn child, forcefully, with a coat hanger.

Actually China is closer to a polygamous meritocracy- and has been for thousands of years. Test taking ability is absolutely key to success, successful men are expected to have mistresses or second families and even now can frequency afford to flaunt the one child polices.

That being said, during the Cultural Revolution they killed off their best and brightest and certianly set things way back. People over a certain age in China can act a bit frighteningly stupid, not even because they are- but because they grew up in a time that letting on you had any independent thinking going on upstairs would get you send to a reeducation camp.

I've visited several factories in Bo'an, Dongguan etc- most common complaint is they aren't given more hours. People should not be forced to work, but to impose your cultures work habits on a comparatively industrious people is silly. Telling Chinese we can't work crazy hours is like telling us we can't eat rice.

Mainland Chinese are, by and large atheist. Our bodies are not a temple, and suicide does not violate our Judeo-Christian value system.
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June 18, 2011, 07:50:58 AM
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I've visited several factories in Bo'an, Dongguan etc- most common complaint is they aren't given more hours. People should not be forced to work, but to impose your cultures work habits on a comparatively industrious people is silly. Telling Chinese we can't work crazy hours is like telling us we can't eat rice.

Thank you. OP, all others wishing to force people to live 'better lives', You can all now shut up. Forever.







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June 18, 2011, 02:14:02 PM
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I've visited several factories in Bo'an, Dongguan etc- most common complaint is they aren't given more hours. People should not be forced to work, but to impose your cultures work habits on a comparatively industrious people is silly. Telling Chinese we can't work crazy hours is like telling us we can't eat rice.

Thank you. OP, all others wishing to force people to live 'better lives', You can all now shut up. Forever.

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June 19, 2011, 06:07:03 AM
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'The government' is not a tool. The government is a group of individuals who may or may not be corrupt (I assume some are and some are not). 'Corporations' are legal fiction. They exist to distance liability from decision makers. They are creations of government and grant legal privelege which is incompatible with the libertarian worldview.

We're not pro-corporatism. I personally have far more issues to pick with corporate law (and corporate welfare) than I do to pick with government, but government still has its own issues.



Can you reconcile those two contradictory statements for me?

People cannot be a tool, there is nothing contradictory here. Tools are inanimate and have no free will, this isn't true of the individuals which make up government, or the individuals which make up corporations.

So, in your alternative universe.... government isn't a tool, but big business plays it like a fiddle to get what they want - so it is a tool used by big business to get what they want.

Makes perfect sense.

Keep the semantics coming.  Roll Eyes

"So in your alternate universe.... mafia isn't a tool, but small businesses use it to destroy competitors - so it is a tool used by small businesses to what what they want.

Makes perfect sense.

Keep the semantics coming. Roll Eyes"

Government is not inanimate, it is a group of individuals, it cannot be a tool. The mafia is not inanimate, it is a group of individuals, it cannot be a tool. I can claim a gun is actually a lollipop too and then cry "stop playing semantics" when you attempt to correct me, but it doesn't make me right.

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