Lauda/TMAN extortion attempt

[Quickseller]

I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly

I would find this very unlikely.

Each of their ethics, intelligence, and more are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

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[Timelord2067]

I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly

I would find this very unlikely.

Each of their ethics, intelligence, and more are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

You mean like how Panthers52 posts a link to a "Tired of annoying signature ads? (suspicious link removed)" Archive and you (until you fell on hard times recently ) used to have a signature from whatever signature campaign was paying the most?

Yep, definitely different ends of the spectrum... OH WAIT!

[Quickseller]

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.

Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I am very disappointed in those in the DT network for not looking the other way in an admitted extortion attempt. I am also especially disappointed in Blazed for keeping Lauda in his trust list.

Whats the correct information then?

That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.

This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.

[minifrij]

This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.

And, as I have also said before, your word on this matter should not be seen as fact due to the glaring conflict of interest between the two of us.
For anyone concerned, I would take the word of a neutral third party (Shorena) [1] or the perpetrator themselves (Lauda) [2] in regards to my innocence.

[1]

#3 I left no rating to minifrij because the connection is not strong enough for it. The timing is odd and Im wary, but its not enough for a rating IMHO.

[2]

The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.

[vodaljepa]

Minifrij how much did you get paid to keep your mouth shut?

[actmyname]

Minifrij how much did you get paid to keep your mouth shut?

vodaljepa, does butthurt rageposting offer you payments? If so, then sign me up!


I don't think it's very necessary to continually state the same point over and over (over different threads) without clear proof to back it up. Anything you've provided is raw circumstantial assumption, and that's stretching it.

Maybe you should be a conspiracy theorist

[cjmoles]

"Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"  --“Marmion” by Sir Walter Scott

I'm reserving comment because we all know what happens when we look behind the curtain....but I do believe there's more!  Collusion is bad if the intention is to provide a fair reputation network....it puts the whole system on its head. Sorry for interjecting my opinion here, but it needs to be said somewhere....the trust system is broken!

[ibminer]

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

The first "extortion attempt" didn't seem legitimate to me.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

I agree with the Staff removal and would be fine leaving a negative feedback if I had better evidence of actual extortion but I don't see it.

[sluggss]

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.

Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I am very disappointed in those in the DT network for not looking the other way in an admitted extortion attempt. I am also especially disappointed in Blazed for keeping Lauda in his trust list.

Whats the correct information then?

That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.

This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.

no doubt . that's clearly an extortion attempt.  interesting to read.

[shorena]

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.

Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I know. I shouldnt have said I will remove the rating after some time passed, but I did and I feel Im bound by these words. Esp. here as there is little more than my word on anything. I had hoped that more would chime in and eventually my rating is no longer relevant.

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around

It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

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Thats a big ass smiley man.

Anyway. Yes it is, I wouldnt usually do this, but this thread is a constant reminder why I keep posting less and less here. vodaljepa poked me and I lashed out. Usually I wouldnt even have looked, that day I did and it turned out I just had to check the untrusted ratings on their profile to find some dirt. They are a troll asking for a reaction, they got one. It might not have been the reaction they had hoped for, but thats the risk of playing stupid games. You might win stupid prices.

[sluggss]

...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting

[Lauda]

...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting

My conscious is pretty clear, much clearer than you resorting to these childish games with alts. An unlimited amount of accounts won't help you.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it).

[sluggss]

...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting

My conscious is pretty clear, much clearer than you resorting to these childish games with alts. An unlimited amount of accounts won't help you.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it).

Lauda just left me a bad feedback , for the sole reason i expose my opinion .. what's wrong here ?this is the  way trust rating should be use on this board  ?

[Lauda]

Lauda just left me a bad feedback , for the sole reason i expose my opinion .. what's wrong here ?this is the  way trust rating should be use on this board  ?

What do you know about valid or invalid feedback, you are a new member after all. Aren't you? If you aren't (hence the statement), then my feedback is very much valid. I guess those e-mail threats didn't work.

[ibminer]

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it).

The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions. It was certainly an extortion attempt but what the motive actually was means something to me in this situation, regardless of motive, I do think this type of behavior is distasteful. As for the edit, I didn't think all of that was relevant to get into with this thread and I wanted to try and remain as neutral as I could. I have nothing to hide here though, if anyone wants to know my gut feelings about our past, I will tell them - as I have in the past. I don't know you personally so all I have to go on is past experiences but I wanted to try and look at this accusation with a clear head. I do also question the motives of QS but I would never want him to stop posting his beliefs.

[stereotype]

My conscious is pretty clear,

So, in the same circumstances, you would be comfortable doing the same thing again?

[Lauda]

The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions.

No, they are most certainly not facts. Whilst I am not going to waste my time debunking the whole thread, especially not considering the time passed since the event, here's one example:

Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.

This is a blatant lie. If my memory serves me correctly, I had sent zero messages to Zeroxal prior to the 'string message' itself (at least not within that month; e.g. we had a trade a long time ago).

My conscious is pretty clear,

So, in the same circumstances, you would be comfortable doing the same thing again?

No. I have stated this long ago. If not publicly, then privately.

[Quickseller]

If you didn't do anything wrong and have a clear conscience then logistically you should have no problem doing it again, right? If you did nothing wrong then why not do it again?

[sbogovac]

If you didn't do anything wrong and have a clear conscience then logistically you should have no problem doing it again, right? If you did nothing wrong then why not do it again?

Your logic is flawed; one can do something stupid, learn from ones mistakes and - with a clear conscience - try to never do it again. Or one can do something immoral, leading to a guilty conscience (in a healthy individual). One does not exclude the other but certainly also not imply each other...

[anonymoustroll420]

Your logic is flawed; one can do something stupid, learn from ones mistakes and - with a clear conscience - try to never do it again. Or one can do something immoral, leading to a guilty conscience (in a healthy individual). One does not exclude the other but certainly also not imply each other...

Right, but that still makes the thing that the person did wrong.