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April 01, 2017, 09:04:36 PM
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None of you seems to understand, lets imagine that you developed a game very much like a world that we live in, would you care what happens in the game? or do you think anything from inside that game can harm you? would you go inside the game as a character just to get killed for what? for a bunch of ungrateful game characters? (while Jesus didn't die and still is alive and he wasn't the son of God/he isn't God).

Christians are worse than atheists, at least they say there is no God whatsoever but Christians believe in trinity which is called polytheists.

In every holy book sent to guide mankind all the names of prophets and angels are the same and each book approves the one sent before with written testimonies, why there is no book and someone claiming to be a prophet and saying that Bible or Quran are lies and then provides something better?

Do you think 2000 years ago someone imagined the name "Gabriel" and said he was an archangel sent by God and more than 600 years after that again someone else from a different country/race started to imagine the same entity reading him words of God?

How can you not see when you plant a seed in to the ground a tree grows out of the soil? how can it not be so obvious that someone (God) could easily use our DNA which by the way are all over the world and every person's DNA from Adam and Eve and up to the last numbers of people on earth is available somewhere but it is on earth and recreate us again just like when a tree grows from a tiny seed?

I'm telling you it's not too late still and there is time for you to get back on the right path because when the time is over repenting won't work and won't be accepted.

Each and every one of us will face our maker all alone by ourselves without anyone to help us but only our beliefs and our deeds in this world.

As a friendly suggestion, just once in your life spend a few hours at most to read the Quran in your own native translation and decide for yourself whether it was sent or written by an ordinary person with limited knowledge or not.
Many of us spend years essentially doing nothing, wasting our times while a few hours spent on reading and then deeply thinking about it might change our lives for eternity.
I believe that each of us will have the opportunity to learn about all the truths and falsities of the world. Then everyone will make a choice and conclusions. And now it's all empty talk.
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April 01, 2017, 11:16:03 PM
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Problem is BADecker you only take your proof so far.... you need to keep going.

You continually say that cause and effect are proof..... then the simple answer is what caused your god?

You cannot make an assumption to meet your needs.... that is not proof.

That my furry little friend is the law of science.

Imagine that you get some lumber together, some nails, a hammer, etc. You build a shed for yourself. Do the laws of the nature of the shed have anything to do with you? Is the shed ever as complex as you are?

The universe is a shed that God built. As you can go in and out of your shed, so God can go in and out of His universe. But the simple laws of the shed universe never apply to God except when He wants them to.

Cause and effect are laws of this universe shed that God made. They don't apply to God except that He wants them to. God always was, is now, and always will be. There is nothing that caused Him. Cause and effect are things of this universe.

Yet God has allowed Himself to be affected by the causes of mankind. He doesn't have to do this. But He does, because of His nature, which is different than anything of this universe, except where He allows similarities.

Stop being so dishonest. Understand this about God. Oh, that's right. You DO understand about God. You are simply dishonest, and so you don't admit that you understand.

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HA HA HA HA HA......

Once again you try to use little stories to meet your needs.

Where did the wood come from, the metal, the idea? Oh that's right..... you are a man and made them.

Guess your idea of god came from man!

I can go in and out of the shed because it is part of this universe not another...... you are assuming your god has the ability to transverse universe.... prove it.

Do you think any carpenter conjures up the electrons, protons, and neutrons of the nails and wood he uses to build something? Do you really think that he makes the materials out of nothing? You act so dense. Why do I ask? Because you know better than this, yet you talk so silly.

Do you see what you are doing? You are starting to bring out into the open, in your own speaking, that God exists... God, the only one Who can make the materials from which everything is made.

Since God exists, and since He made the universe, it is you who needs to prove that He doesn't exist. Simply because you would rather be like the proverbial ostrich, with your head ignorantly planted in the sand, doesn't mean that you will not be affected by the things that you hide your eyes from seeing, and your mind from understanding.

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Wow.... next time a carpenter wants to build something he just need to believe it will be built.

So who transforms metal into nails? Pretty certain it was man who developed the science to do so.

You claim it is your god, yet show no proof.

You are a simple child caught in your own lies.

Who transforms electrons, protons, and neutrons into metal? It certainly wasn't any scientist.

You keep on showing that God exists, more and more.

Why is it so difficult to go all the way and look at the proof that He exists, rather than ignore the proof and keep on saying that He doesn't exist?

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http://www.explainthatstuff.com/introduction-to-metals.html There is your first step.... that will talk about the chemicals involved in metals.

Science has proven how these occur.

Your argument is purely assumptions to meet your needs.

Science has absolutely NOT proven how electrons, protons, and neutrons come about. Further, science only has theories how these develop into the various atoms in nature.

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Are you saying your god does?

Big assumption you are making there young fella!
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April 02, 2017, 02:15:15 AM
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Don't quote each other so much, it renders a huge backlog!

@Badecker;

Basically what you do is "prove on the negative":
"I/we don't know" => "It was God"

That's broken logic, just seconds my previous statement; God is nothing but an euphemism and a metaphor to the unknown. That's why it can be such a paradox, "good" and "evil" at the very same time.

@ImHash

Just visit a metal institution... you'll see how many are or talk to Napoleon and God these days. Crazy people has been there all around History, mental institutions however are more recent, but the "prophets" would probably fit well there.

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April 02, 2017, 03:22:27 AM
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Don't quote each other so much, it renders a huge backlog!

@Badecker;

Basically what you do is "prove on the negative":
"I/we don't know" => "It was God"

That's broken logic, just seconds my previous statement; God is nothing but an euphemism and a metaphor to the unknown. That's why it can be such a paradox, "good" and "evil" at the very same time.

@ImHash

Just visit a metal institution... you'll see how many are or talk to Napoleon and God these days. Crazy people has been there all around History, mental institutions however are more recent, but the "prophets" would probably fit well there.

The "I/we don't know" part pertains to atheism, which doesn't really exist. Atheists don't know enough to know that God exists or doesn't exist. Therefore, atheism is easily proven to not exist except as a convoluted religion for those that are ignorant of the fact that they don't know enough to determine whether God exists or not.

Science proves and nature shows that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

When the ignorant atheist understands that God exists, then even the religion of atheism falls by the wayside. And the atheist is no longer an atheist.

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April 02, 2017, 03:28:12 AM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

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April 02, 2017, 04:29:29 AM
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Don't quote each other so much, it renders a huge backlog!

@Badecker;

Basically what you do is "prove on the negative":
"I/we don't know" => "It was God"

That's broken logic, just seconds my previous statement; God is nothing but an euphemism and a metaphor to the unknown. That's why it can be such a paradox, "good" and "evil" at the very same time.

@ImHash

Just visit a metal institution... you'll see how many are or talk to Napoleon and God these days. Crazy people has been there all around History, mental institutions however are more recent, but the "prophets" would probably fit well there.

The "I/we don't know" part pertains to atheism, which doesn't really exist. Atheists don't know enough to know that God exists or doesn't exist. Therefore, atheism is easily proven to not exist except as a convoluted religion for those that are ignorant of the fact that they don't know enough to determine whether God exists or not.

Science proves and nature shows that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

When the ignorant atheist understands that God exists, then even the religion of atheism falls by the wayside. And the atheist is no longer an atheist.

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BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.
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April 02, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

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April 02, 2017, 09:25:14 PM
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I'm sorry but the same can be said about religion. You have no evidence that God exists. All what you believe it tales of the Bible and the tricks of the priests. Agree it is ridiculous. We can not consider it evidence. Besides, it is customary to look for evidence of the existence of something, not absence. Prove that Bigfoot or aliens there.
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What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

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Yet ironically its the devout religious nut jobs that run around beheading people, blow themselves and others to bits for a piece of make believe paradise, hear voices and believe in the invisible man in the sky.

And yet after all this they are still so deluded they also believe that everyone else should still respect them for their insanity.


Ever notice how most Christians come across as though there is nothing they would like better than to look over the pit in the afterlife while you burn for all eternity for not believing in zombie Jesus just so they can say "I told you so"  Grin Grin
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What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

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Yet ironically its the devout religious nut jobs that run around beheading people, blow themselves and others to bits for a piece of make believe paradise, hear voices and believe in the invisible man in the sky.

And yet after all this they are still so deluded they also believe that everyone else should still respect them for their insanity.


Ever notice how most Christians come across as though there is nothing they would like better than to look over the pit in the afterlife while you burn for all eternity for not believing in zombie Jesus just so they can say "I told you so"  Grin Grin


If true Bible Christianity existed exclusively worldwide, there would be few problems in the world at all. So, why wouldn't the Christians want to gloat a little over the unbelievers in Hell, who had caused all the torment in the world by their unbelief?

Since the topic is about atheism, let's realize that atheism is either a false religion, or it is non-existent, even in those who wished they were atheists.

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April 03, 2017, 01:58:12 AM
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"If the entire World joins my hallucination it will be a better place", is common ground to:
-Xtians
-Muslims
-Communists
and all sort of totalitarian crackpots around.

There's no "one size fits all" solution for the World and your "true bible" (whatever that means, taken there're dozens of versions) surely isn't one too.

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April 03, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

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BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.
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April 03, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

Cool

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


There you go again, opposing science law with some science theory, but mostly with only talk. Why don't you capitalize on your religion? Or is that what you have done in the past, and are only protecting your investment, now.

If you think the proof for the existence of God is not proof, why don't you post the step-by-step, irrefutable rebuttal to it? You can't, can you. All you can do is blab.

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April 04, 2017, 04:50:00 AM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

Cool

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


There you go again, opposing science law with some science theory, but mostly with only talk. Why don't you capitalize on your religion? Or is that what you have done in the past, and are only protecting your investment, now.

If you think the proof for the existence of God is not proof, why don't you post the step-by-step, irrefutable rebuttal to it? You can't, can you. All you can do is blab.

Cool

There you go again, blabbering about how others don't provide evidence.

Yet, the links you have posted have been rebutted time and time again, but you refuse to read them.

Therefore, I still stand by my post:

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.
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April 04, 2017, 07:44:57 AM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

Cool

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


There you go again, opposing science law with some science theory, but mostly with only talk. Why don't you capitalize on your religion? Or is that what you have done in the past, and are only protecting your investment, now.

If you think the proof for the existence of God is not proof, why don't you post the step-by-step, irrefutable rebuttal to it? You can't, can you. All you can do is blab.

Cool

There you go again, blabbering about how others don't provide evidence.

Yet, the links you have posted have been rebutted time and time again, but you refuse to read them.

Therefore, I still stand by my post:

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


Anybody can go to my links and find the step-by-step explanation of how the laws of science prove God exists. Nobody has shown a step-by-step rebuttal of the laws or the proof. If you know of such a place, go get the step-by-step rebuttal and post it here in the forum, and not just some link to it. If you only post a link, you don't have a rebuttal, because nobody can tell if you understand for sure that you have a rebuttal. You probably don't even know yourself, for sure.

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April 04, 2017, 09:25:57 AM
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a lot of people are atheists for not realizing that many things that cannot be proven by the mind and logic, a simple example is when we sleep, we never know what happens during sleep.
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April 04, 2017, 09:53:57 AM
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Then prove me there's no Santa.
Prove me there are no unicorns.
Prove me there is no Big Foot.
...
and the list goes on and on.

Prove on the negative is NO PROOF AT ALL! You can't prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. What you can prove is for what does exist.

Who says there is no Santa? You can look in many department stores all over the world during the Christmas season, and see Santa.

Since there are many paintings and drawings of unicorns, they just might exist... even flying ones.

People have pictures they claim that are of big foot. Why attempt to prove that it doesn't exist?

... and the list goes on and on.

This means that when you show the scientific proof that God exists, He exists, right. But when you can't understand the proof, you know that He might exist. the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Atheism is a lie. For those who understand that they don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, atheism is an intentional and malicious lie. For the ignorant who haven't realized that they can't prove that God doesn't exist, atheism is a lying religion.

What's there to talk about? True atheism is simply some people trying to eject God from their lives for some selfish reasons. Can't be done. Ultimately the atheist, if he reinforces his atheism in himself enough, will go nuts.

Cool

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


There you go again, opposing science law with some science theory, but mostly with only talk. Why don't you capitalize on your religion? Or is that what you have done in the past, and are only protecting your investment, now.

If you think the proof for the existence of God is not proof, why don't you post the step-by-step, irrefutable rebuttal to it? You can't, can you. All you can do is blab.

Cool

There you go again, blabbering about how others don't provide evidence.

Yet, the links you have posted have been rebutted time and time again, but you refuse to read them.

Therefore, I still stand by my post:

BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.


Anybody can go to my links and find the step-by-step explanation of how the laws of science prove God exists. Nobody has shown a step-by-step rebuttal of the laws or the proof. If you know of such a place, go get the step-by-step rebuttal and post it here in the forum, and not just some link to it. If you only post a link, you don't have a rebuttal, because nobody can tell if you understand for sure that you have a rebuttal. You probably don't even know yourself, for sure.

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BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that this a god.

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true to a point, however, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

As you can see, BADecker's ideas are only theories and assumptions. They prove nothing.
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April 04, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
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a lot of people are atheists for not realizing that many things that cannot be proven by the mind and logic, a simple example is when we sleep, we never know what happens during sleep.

The fact that we don't know this or that does NOT means nothing about God, it simply means we don't know (yet).
Simple as that!
Or you have the need to "know everything" and for anything you don't know "it was God"? That's living a ridiculous lie!

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April 04, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
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There are a lots of things that cant be proven and explained, Dont you think that shows that there is a higher power out there. And with regards to those AA,any group or society that uses aggressive and insulting tactics against someone who is against them is a just a stupid group.
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April 04, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
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a lot of people are atheists for not realizing that many things that cannot be proven by the mind and logic, a simple example is when we sleep, we never know what happens during sleep.
As it does not know. We know. You don't know, but all your loved ones see that you are sleeping in your own bed. It's very simple.
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