Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

[sed]

To be paid bitcoin in exchange for making posts on a forum is a nice little earner in free time.

Exactly, some people feel like they're entitled or something.

People even talk about how to cheat PD's campaign.

I'd say that I am entitled to pay if someone has made an agreement with me to pay.  I don't bear someone's advertizement for free.  If I don't have any advertizement then I don't feel entitled to anything.  But if I bear an advertizement that I put on for a certain agreement, then I *do* feel entitled to the terms of that agreement.  Does that make sense?

[saif92]

To be paid bitcoin in exchange for making posts on a forum is a nice little earner in free time.

Exactly, some people feel like they're entitled or something.

People even talk about how to cheat PD's campaign.

I'd say that I am entitled to pay if someone has made an agreement with me to pay.  I don't bear someone's advertizement for free.  If I don't have any advertizement then I don't feel entitled to anything.  But if I bear an advertizement that I put on for a certain agreement, then I *do* feel entitled to the terms of that agreement.  Does that make sense?

No one going to do any agreement with you if you want to do then you must accept their terms of agreement

[sed]

To be paid bitcoin in exchange for making posts on a forum is a nice little earner in free time.

Exactly, some people feel like they're entitled or something.

People even talk about how to cheat PD's campaign.

I'd say that I am entitled to pay if someone has made an agreement with me to pay.  I don't bear someone's advertizement for free.  If I don't have any advertizement then I don't feel entitled to anything.  But if I bear an advertizement that I put on for a certain agreement, then I *do* feel entitled to the terms of that agreement.  Does that make sense?

No one going to do any agreement with you if you want to do then you must accept their terms of agreement

I think you didn't understand what I said at all.  I'm obviously in a agreement with PRC at the moment.  I obviously agreed to terms of that agreement.  I also consider that prc is bound by that agreement and therefore I am "entitled" to the terms of that agreement which, in this case, are a payment per post.  Anyway, I don't know what you mean, saif, so I'm going to leave it at that for now

[PRC_May]

@sed You obviously didn't get what I meant and what the other posters meant then.

People act as if they felt entitled to free money. That is all.

It's like going to an employer and demanding stuff all out of the blue for doing extremely little. These campaigns are a nice little gimmick for active BCT members nothing more.

And even if someone is scamming, what did you lose? Nothing? Having to bear the unbearable, a line of advertising?
This sounds like spoiled brats.


Edit: btw, your post history so far mostly consists of arguing in "free money" type of threads since you've signed up.

[Armed]

@sed You obviously didn't get what I meant and what the other posters meant then.

People act as if they felt entitled to free money. That is all.

It's like going to an employer and demanding stuff all out of the blue for doing extremely little. These campaigns are a nice little gimmick for active BCT members nothing more.

And even if someone is scamming, what did you lose? Nothing? Having to bear the unbearable, a line of advertising?
This sounds like spoiled brats.


Edit: btw, your post history so far mostly consists of arguing in "free money" type of threads since you've signed up.

It's not about that, it's about a 2 part agreement where someone agrees to pay another person for a service. The owner of the campaign sets    - ALL - the terms, so it's not about people "demanding stuff for little work".

[PRC_May]

Don't quite get your message there.

One party offers a deal the other party can accept or not. Sounds fair?
Free markets FTW.

[sed]

@sed You obviously didn't get what I meant and what the other posters meant then.

People act as if they felt entitled to free money. That is all.

@PRC_May  Perhaps I interpreted your comment about "entitled" in the way that seems most relevant to me.  I apologize if I misconstrued what you were saying.

It's like going to an employer and demanding stuff all out of the blue for doing extremely little. These campaigns are a nice little gimmick for active BCT members nothing more.

I don't exactly see that.  If someone says to me "I want to rent this space for this much money" and I agree, that seems a lot more like an agreement between individual parties than it does to an employer/employee relationship.  In any case, I apparantly am missing some of the context here, because I don't really know what you mean about "demanding stuff out of the blue".

As far as whether it's a gimmick, I don't know that I agree.  As far as I can tell, what you mean by that is that the impact is trivial.  But that doesn't seem to be the case.  At least, for your sake I hope that it's not.  I know that from my end, the litle bit of BTC I make doing these ad campaigns has eventually added up to a pretty respectable sum.  But then again, what's respectable is obviously open to interpretation.  In any case, it's certainly more than you'll make clicking on faucets for hours.  And I hope that my sponsors make a good profit from the traffic that gets brought to their websites from my posts.

And even if someone is scamming, what did you lose? Nothing? Having to bear the unbearable, a line of advertising?
This sounds like spoiled brats.

Here I think I disagree entirely.  If someone is scamming, then I lost the value of the contract, which might be very little or very large depending on the rate of pay and the number of posts involved.  To be honest, this is one of the main reasons that I'm not interested in monthly campaigns.  I don't want to lose the value of a month long contract if the contractor fails to pay (as in the case of updown, recently).  I don't think it's just spoiled brats who say that they expect people to uphold their end of an agreement.

Edit: btw, your post history so far mostly consists of arguing in "free money" type of threads since you've signed up.

Well, I just post like I post.  I like to argue (to a point, I don't like flamewars, but I like discussion).  And by "free money" threads I think you're talking about signature campaign threads, which I definitely keep track of.

Cheers!

[PRC_May]

@sed

Let's just keep it at what we can both agree on, that it's a kind of contract that both parties have to fulfill according to terms.

[Armed]

Don't quite get your message there.

One party offers a deal the other party can accept or not. Sounds fair?
Free markets FTW.

No, but you're saying it's wrong to claim you're entitled to getting paid for the advertising you've done, because you haven't "lost anything, except having to bear the 'unbearable' signature ad".

[sed]

@sed

Let's just keep it at what we can both agree on, that it's a kind of contract that both parties have to fulfill according to terms.

Perfect!

[PRC_May]

Gotta add that one bit though:
@Armed: Sorry if that's what you understood, that was not my intention. Of course that is okay.
Just didn't like the kind of attitude that people often put on. There could be no sig campaigns at all and people would have to sit there doing faucets for many many hours to even get close.

[Swordsoffreedom]

That signature campaign has been now cancelled as no one is interested in joining it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710993.msg8051455#msg8051455

That was a fast one didn't even get to evaluate it anyways I guess it shows that their is Bitcoin to be made outside of the bitcointalk forums in other alt-coin sections.
If that qualified as an alt-coin campaign or an external reference to another site.

[sed]

Just didn't like the kind of attitude that people often put on. There could be no sig campaigns at all and people would have to sit there doing faucets for many many hours to even get close.

Just as true: there could be no sig campaigns as tall and pocket rockets casino (inter alia) would have to find other ways to try to get people to hear about their site!

[PRC_May]

@sed: If you offer free money or money for very very little you will always instantly find people. Heck, people do faucets for 0.0<ridiculous amount of zeros>1 USD an hour.
Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forehead_advertising

Even though that is a lil hardcore if you ask me, the lady with coca cola on her forehead made it to national television .

[tspacepilot]

@sed: If you offer free money or money for very very little you will always instantly find people. Heck, people do faucets for 0.0<ridiculous amount of zeros>1 USD an hour.
Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forehead_advertising

Even though that is a lil hardcore if you ask me, the lady with coca cola on her forehead made it to national television .

Wow about the person with forehead advertizements.

You know, I always thought that computer makers, car manufacturers, tshirt makers, anyone with their logo on a product I buy should have to pay me to wear their logo.  Therefore I almost always put a sticker over my computer maker and I don't have a car anyway but if I did I'd probably pull of the car company logo.

[PRC_May]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
People usually go buy the most expensive stuff so they can _have_ the company logo on it haha.

[Mitchell]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
People usually go buy the most expensive stuff so they can _have_ the company logo on it haha.

Which is one of the reasons why the society is fucked up.

[tspacepilot]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
People usually go buy the most expensive stuff so they can _have_ the company logo on it haha.

Yah, I think it's unfortunate, but you're exactly right.  If more people did as I do, then companies would eventually offer discounts to folks who left the logo.  Which, IMHO, would be better for everyone.  As a consumer, I know that when I see a company logo on someone's product, that that person got paid to put it there and as a buyer, I can decide if I want to sell my advert space or if I'd rather keep it clean.

Consider, for example, that until very recently, only FC Barcelona (of the worldwide budget clubs) kept a shirt with no advertizements on it.  Nowadays they finally caved and sold the chest.  Then you can compare that to the nascar guys who have logos on every inch of their suit and their car.

[capoeira]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
People usually go buy the most expensive stuff so they can _have_ the company logo on it haha.

pay money to make adds....and they say humanity is evoluting 

[tspacepilot]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
People usually go buy the most expensive stuff so they can _have_ the company logo on it haha.

pay money to make adds....and they say humanity is evoluting 

spelling, obviously, is not evoluting...

Snarky NB: "adds" means "sums"