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June 18, 2015, 10:31:55 PM

What if people start buying your "cheap coins" from your ask wall instead of dumping?
Psychology is always the same. Support disappears, huge ask walls come up. Doom and gloom, people panic. Even the ones that have the capacity to eat through your fake walls will be more careful if something like this happens. The trick is not to repeat that too often, otherwise you might get burned.


How can you be sure that someone didn't put up the bid wall to tempt people into buying their coins, and when people stopped buying dumped straight into whatever buy order had built up?

No need to flare a fake ask wall in this case. Just dump while you're still pumping. You know your orders, so won't hit them (or you can remove them a second before dump).
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June 18, 2015, 10:58:01 PM

That whale just managed to freeze the market at 250.No one will sale into that huge wall,the only direction will be up from here.But I don't see much buying either and Finex is flatlining right now.
Can 5k leveraged coins kill a market?Stay tuned to find out.
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June 18, 2015, 11:00:18 PM

Boring.
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June 18, 2015, 11:19:38 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/eurozone-greece-varoufakis-idUSL5N0Z44TN20150618

"Greek savers have withdrawn about 2 billion euros from banks over the past three days, with outflows accelerating rapidly since talks between the government and its creditors collapsed at the weekend, three banking sources told Reuters on Thursday."
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June 19, 2015, 01:04:54 AM

Volume for XBT @ Nasdaq Stockholm is highest yet and the day isn't even half done yet!
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538
Yeez! It's almost 3x previous ath vol.

Volume is usually high when the price is changing.  I don know which is cause and which is effect, globally (probably each feeds the other).  But in the case of XBT Tracker One, price variation must be the cause, and trade volume must be the effect.

Has anyone been keeping track of the actual number of notes in circulation?
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June 19, 2015, 01:19:45 AM

1) pump came from OKgox without any reason

Sorry to repeat, but my preferred guess for the cause of the rally was the joint statement of the 5 top Chinese miners that they support an increase of the max block size to 8 MB.  The timing seemed just right...

Won't you agree that those red seals on the agreement document give a long missed feeling of security and confidence in the coin?  Almost like it had the support of the whole Red Army...

[ Here is the English version, BTW. ]
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June 19, 2015, 01:35:51 AM

Volume for XBT @ Nasdaq Stockholm is highest yet and the day isn't even half done yet!
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538
Yeez! It's almost 3x previous ath vol.

Volume is usually high when the price is changing.  I don know which is cause and which is effect, globally (probably each feeds the other).  But in the case of XBT Tracker One, price variation must be the cause, and trade volume must be the effect.

Has anyone been keeping track of the actual number of notes in circulation?

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https://bitcoinmagazine.com/20906/bitcoin-tracker-one-etn-now-trading-worldwide-via-interactive-brokers/
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June 19, 2015, 01:39:31 AM

We're getting pumps at times of the day and week when we would normally be getting dumps. It's as if some whale has been watching the market and timing his buys with minimal slippage.

It takes only $900,000/day to buy the 3600 coins mined daily and support this price level.  We could easily get half of that just from Greeks who have no room left under the mattress to stuff Euros.

I agree with those who say that the Greek propblem is going to drag out, but I think that's insanely good for bitcoin. It will take time for the reality of Greece's fucked up situation to fully sink into the population and even longer for a substantial number of them to take rational action to preserve their capital and purchasing power. 

This is a disaster for Greeks and a bad situation for the whole Eurozone, but I won't be in a position to provide the BTC liquidity they will need if I don't stay loaded up now, so I'm hodling. 

I wish we could wait until after the final USMS auction before the next bubble, but I don't think the market will wait that long. I won't buy any moar unless there is a dip into the $230s, but I sure as hell ain't gonna sell any moar unless i have a reasonable chance of buying my coins back lower. Time to wait and see.
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June 19, 2015, 02:30:55 AM

Wow, you just know the bears are running scared now.

How unbelievably embarrassed I will be for them when this thing snaps up to $280.   lmao

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June 19, 2015, 02:45:47 AM

Look at this desperate bear, making 0.25 bitcoin sales.  omg

.. down to his last few satoshis..
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We're getting pumps at times of the day and week when we would normally be getting dumps. It's as if some whale has been watching the market and timing his buys with minimal slippage.
maybe it simply the lack of dumps which leads to more market buys, few months ago you'd place your order 10-20% below market price and you'd get it filled in a few weeks at most, these days this isnt happening.

It takes only $900,000/day to buy the 3600 coins mined daily and support this price level.  We could easily get half of that just from Greeks who have no room left under the mattress to stuff Euros.
I would imagine a good deal of the minted coins are not for selling, in anycase ~1mil a day sounds about right to keep this market a float, looking at bitfinex daily volume for the past year you can see that when we have a few days of <5mil$ in trade price dropped after. if we start seeing the opposite a few low volume days in a row leads to more vol on the up side CCMF.


I agree with those who say that the Greek propblem is going to drag out, but I think that's insanely good for bitcoin. It will take time for the reality of Greece's fucked up situation to fully sink into the population and even longer for a substantial number of them to take rational action to preserve their capital and purchasing power.  
we saw with the russian ruble that BTC really does work well to preserve your preaching power during a crash. Greece better act fast.

This is a disaster for Greeks and a bad situation for the whole Eurozone, but I won't be in a position to provide the BTC liquidity they will need if I don't stay loaded up now, so I'm hodling.  
you're right, everyone in the Eurozone should act now(they won't they will all act slowly one by one.. until it's kinda too late and then suddenly everyone wants in...), i really don't think once greece is toast  that will be the end of the euro's troubles?

I wish we could wait until after the final USMS auction before the next bubble, but I don't think the market will wait that long. I won't buy any moar unless there is a dip into the $230s, but I sure as hell ain't gonna sell any moar unless i have a reasonable chance of buying my coins back lower. Time to wait and see.
I really don't think market will truly bubble until these coins are sold this can't be too much longer, maybe they are just waiting for >300 lol or maybe they read this thread and now that they know it's going >32,000 in < 2years they are hodling?  Grin
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you're right the everyone in the Eurozone should act now(they won't they will all act slowly one by one.. until it's kinda too late and then suddenly everyone wants in...), i really don't think once greece is toast  that will be the end of the euro's troubles?


Well, yeah.  Greece is the canary in the coal mine. Several large countries have debt to GDP ratios that are essentially unfixable given political realities. If Greece successfully exits the Euro and after a brief but severe economic downturn then recovers, those other countries will look to it as a model and then do likewise. If Greece gets a deal with the Troika to write down some or all of its debt, then those other countries will demand similar deals and the Eurozone couldn't survive that much of a debt write-off. 

Either way, it's not just Greece that's fucked. It's the whole EU.  They will print Euros like crazy, but then capital will flee to more stable currencies, PMs, etc.  Imports into the Eurozone will become more expensive until the strong countries will either demand to kick out the weak countries or leave on their own to revert back to old national currencies.  The monetary union is doomed and I see no way around that eventuality that is even remotely likely. It's only a matter of time. 
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