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July 21, 2020, 03:52:18 AM

Unbelievable, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Google combined are now bigger than Japan's entire stock market. Shocked

Tesla continues going up and up...

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July 21, 2020, 04:38:10 AM

Your turn. What is the definition of decentralization to which you adhere, DaRude? Hmmm?

Riiiight, that's just you bitching about nodes, still not seeing you defining decentralization, and criteria that you used to come to conclusion that BTC and BSv are as decentralized? Surely you're not just putting out claims without backing them up  Roll Eyes

Still dodging, eh? Nothing to offer?
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July 21, 2020, 04:45:06 AM

FWIW, what I think jbreher is saying, is that BTC and BSV can both potentially be equally decentralized. In other words, the algorithms themselves allow for the same amount of decentralization.

Bingo. From a technical perspective, they are equally decentralized. The only difference in decentralization between the two is the current popularity of each.

If those are the vapors upon which you wish to hoist your flag, so be it.

Of course, the next layer of the discussion is 'how much decentralization is meaningful'? Then 'what aspects are important to be decentralized'? Followed by 'what concrete goals do the intermediate objective of decentralization serve'? But shieeeeit - we can't even agree on what decentralization even means, because those who scream it loudest refuse to admit they don't have a concrete definition thereof.
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July 21, 2020, 04:46:20 AM
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Unbelievable, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Google combined are now bigger than Japan's entire stock market. Shocked

Tesla continues going up and up...



And friggin Nasdaq scores one ATH after the other.
Must have to do with the overly bright outlook and the fact that employers are hiring world and dog to cope with the workload of the upcoming economic upturn..

* psycodad wonders if the WO audience needs an <irony> tag to properly classify above statement as mockery over the quickest and largest wealth redistribution in history.
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July 21, 2020, 04:55:12 AM

So, on the topic of exchanges, you are trying to suggest all exchanges are equally fucked up,

Well, no. Nice moving of the goal posts, tho.

I am suggesting pointing out the fact that all exchanges are centralized, and that all exchanges are trusted third parties. Which are the characteristics that were somehow ascribed to Coinbase alone, in order to drag my name through the mud. Well, with the exception of 'the dexes', which are utterly useless.

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This just in: Kraken blacklists Bitcoin addresses.

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July 21, 2020, 04:59:28 AM

The changes BSV makes to the protocol will inevitably centralize the protocol,

You'll need to be more specific. Which changes exactly are you speaking of?
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July 21, 2020, 05:05:24 AM

AI generated tweets using OpenAI's GPT-3 model:
https://thoughts.sushant-kumar.com/bitcoin

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July 21, 2020, 05:16:53 AM

The changes BSV makes to the protocol will inevitably centralize the protocol,

You'll need to be more specific. Which changes exactly are you speaking of?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess he meant tweaking the block size limit. Having a 2 gigameg block size cap is fundamentally centralizing.
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July 21, 2020, 05:22:44 AM

Just remember that as things get harder for people they will tend toward seeking support from their "group" or collective. Whatever that may be, it is easy to stand strong as an individual when things are going well but when times are tough you need to feel like there are others out there providing whatever you feel you are missing.

In the US this appears to be falling into the categories of race as the groups people are choosing. Nationalism tends to be a very significant group that people will fall back on. Or people will trend toward their socioeconomic class if there is some sort of movement or prevalence of it.

Their enemies will be anyone outside of their group. The best way to solidify yourself within that group is to attack someone outside of that group, the more publicly the better, the more unlike your group the better.

It is a symptom, not a cause. It will become worse. Lines will be drawn. Groups defined more solidly. I've even noticed this with libertarian folks online that are supposed to be individualists, falling into the comfort of attacking "statists" among their libertarian peers.

Hmm. Rather insightful beyond your years.
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July 21, 2020, 05:31:14 AM

The changes BSV makes to the protocol will inevitably centralize the protocol,

You'll need to be more specific. Which changes exactly are you speaking of?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess he meant tweaking the block size limit. Having a 2 gigameg block size cap is fundamentally centralizing.

Bitcoin is still here , cause it s profitable (for those who run = mine it)

Anything that is profitable is centralizing

Only full openess and competition in MANY different disciplines (software / hardware / business ...) breaks that up
such that there will be no monopoly for long terms

Monopols are there, cause they can change the rules to fit THEIR games, so changing rules / protocol must never occure

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July 21, 2020, 06:18:20 AM

This seems wrong.

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The changes BSV makes to the protocol will inevitably centralize the protocol,

You'll need to be more specific. Which changes exactly are you speaking of?

Why... if he knows and understand... then you know it as well  Kiss
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July 21, 2020, 06:25:25 AM

Coronavirus cases: 14,714,622.  Deaths: 610,255.  Recovered: 8,775,922.

- Pandemic continues to explode around the world, true total death toll and cases are much higher because of testing shortages and data collection issues.

(...)cut this BS

Don't worry to much @pashas , seems your Covid19 virus looks like magical cure for other diseases. So, the overall picture it's not that tragic, frankly tragicomic.



http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html
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(...)cut this BS


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/phe-death-data-row-means-now-no-reliable-way-track-covid-pandemic/
https://archive.is/9nmvc

In a shocking turn of events, Public Health England were attributing deaths to Covid that were possibly unrelated.

And in another, you weren't aware or didn't care to account for that when making your point.
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July 21, 2020, 07:21:54 AM

How about the floods in China? Hope not too many more people get killed, but that it will be enough to sweep the CCP away.
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So, on the topic of exchanges, you are trying to suggest all exchanges are equally fucked up,

Well, no. Nice moving of the goal posts, tho.

I am suggesting pointing out the fact that all exchanges are centralized, and that all exchanges are trusted third parties. Which are the characteristics that were somehow ascribed to Coinbase alone, in order to drag my name through the mud. Well, with the exception of 'the dexes', which are utterly useless.

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This just in: Kraken blacklists Bitcoin addresses.

That is all.

This just in.

We can agree to disagree regarding the materiality or relevance of your various distraction into the nonsensical weeds, whether we are talking about the integrity of various exchanges or what kind of aspects and features, including network effect contribute towards both security and decentralization... so yeah, it makes a difference if you have 5 nodes or 10k nodes... miners, developers or user volume matters too.. regarding a lot of this....

so quibble all that you want, and run off and fuck around with your various bcashes.. why the fuck are we (in bitcoinlandia) going to give many shits about that... and of course, you want to dabble in bitcoin too, so we cannot really stop you from dabbling in bitcoin even if you continue to be distracted by various frauds such as BSV, and sure lucky for you if you are not putting all your eggs into that crapola... but yeah, it still might (perhaps?) perform better than fiat, perhaps?
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