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February 15, 2014, 01:32:02 PM
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Actually imagine if, instead of just getting cheap coins on gox, you were also trading them these past 2 days, and multiplied them by 3. I'm tempted to make a deposit to gox myself now.

trading these low levels is a serious risk, if they allow withdrawals and the price instantly shoots up. At least for me way to risky to sell anywhere near these levels on gox
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February 15, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
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Actually imagine if, instead of just getting cheap coins on gox, you were also trading them these past 2 days, and multiplied them by 3. I'm tempted to make a deposit to gox myself now.

trading these low levels is a serious risk, if they allow withdrawals and the price instantly shoots up. At least for me way to risky to sell anywhere near these levels on gox
If you are depositing fiat then it's not a risk - your only risk is not getting the bargain deal, but you'll still get the same amount of fiat worth of btc.
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February 15, 2014, 01:42:51 PM
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Does anybody know what caused the price on gox yesterday to go to ~500$?
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February 15, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
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The only logical explanation is that someone knows that Gox dont have any coins and wont ever fix withdrawals, so goxcoin is essentially worth 0$

But look at the market. Everyone WANTS coins to go up but Willy won't let them. Assuming you were really cashing out because Gox has no coins, wouldn't you just, y'know, let the price rise from time to time to get more cash? I'm starting to believe Willy sells into (mostly) its own walls to give the impression of massive dump and keep the price suppressed for much profit (?).

The only other plausible explanation I can think of is Gox or some accomplice(s) shorting naked. But then again, wouldn't you let the price bounce back from time to time?

my analyzation of the gox order book comes to the same conclusion, it looks like he is selling mainly into his own walls.
i havent understand why he is doing it yet.

is it a kind of controlled selling strategy? or is he manipulating the price for any reason?

the order books total comulated asks down to 5$ on gox are around 71000 coins, each ask in $ multiplicated with its volume and summed over all asks is a total of around 7mio usd. (excluded 0-5$ asks)
so there is at least 7mio usd on gox accounts willing to buy btcs. this doesnt really change over the last hour it varies between 6.7 and 7.2mio usd. so actually nothing really happens at gox.



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February 15, 2014, 01:49:01 PM
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who is willy?
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February 15, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
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Look @ that Huobi go ! Smiley  Roll Eyes
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February 15, 2014, 01:50:18 PM
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who is willy?
A trading bot. I don't think there is any evidence that willy even exists.
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February 15, 2014, 01:50:37 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy
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February 15, 2014, 01:54:09 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

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February 15, 2014, 01:57:26 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

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The price went to the same low point twice. Can mean trend reversal - ie we are going back up - but it's a bit of a joke considering that it's happening on Gox.

Still, the way the exchanges are keeping roughly in synch with eachother despite over 300 dollars difference between Gox and Stamp is quite a good sign in my opinion, although that gap is going to have to close soon. It's just too much fantasy.
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February 15, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
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Just read it up yes. Thanks for explaining.

I've been waiting for this moment... since December 7th drop I thought this would happen at the end of January. Thank fuck I am here now.
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February 15, 2014, 01:59:28 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

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it means that the price will go up.... but gox is irrelevant at this point, that double bottom has to be on stamp IMHO so we can say that the price will go up, my suggestion is 450-480 will be visited then we will be going up from that point.

my best suggestion is to HODL...
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February 15, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
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February 15, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
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Just read it up yes. Thanks for explaining.

I've been waiting for this moment... since December 7th drop I thought this would happen at the end of January. Thank fuck I am here now.

I would still wait until at least Monday to be honest. What is going to happen next at Gox is anyone's guess. But it could be more bad news. If that is the case then expect lower prices.
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February 15, 2014, 02:04:21 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

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it means that the price will go up.... but gox is irrelevant at this point, that double bottom has to be on stamp IMHO so we can say that the price will go up, my suggestion is 450-480 will be visited then we will be going up from that point.

my best suggestion is to HODL...

For Stamp right?

Amen I missed the cheap coins @530 and am still not sure when the next chance will be to get the cheapest coins.
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February 15, 2014, 02:05:45 PM
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That would have to be quite a conspiracy. That would suggest Mark or somebody could do this without someone else in the company finding out or that the whole company is in on it.

I doubt that more than 3 people at MtGOX know how many bitcoins they have in their own wallets and how many dollars/yen they have in their bank.

In the classical collapses, like Enron's and Madoff's, very few people in the company were aware of the real situation, and they were all cooperating with the wrongdoings out of self-interest (or because they were chosen precisely for their "moral qualities").

In any case, that robot could be operated by one person inside MtGOX without anyone else knowing. Or by an external accomplice.

But let's assume that's true. First they drove the price higher presumably to get more fiat and then are now driving it lower to get more coins, right?

I would say the opposite: first they kept the price up 10% above market to lure people into depositing their real bitcoins in exchange for gox dollars (virtual dollars in MtGOX's internal client accounts); while stalling on dollar withdrawals (the conversion of gox dollars into real dollars).  The high price also discouraged people from changing their gox dollars into gox bitcoins (virtual bitcoins in MtGOX's internal client accounds) and withdraing them (that is, converting them to real bitcoins).

When GOX clients began to realize that dollar withdrawals weren't working, they tried to use the bitcoin route in spite of the 10% loss.  Then at first MtGOX raised the premium to 20%, and also began to stall on bitcoin withdrawals -- thanks to a providential "malelability bug"  that stalled 40,000 bitcoins over several month, but which they somehow could not figure out in all that time.

But those measures did not stop the outflow, so they just suspended all withdrawals and promised that by Monday they may provide an estimate of when they may promise something.

What is happening now, it seems, is clients converting their virtual GOX coins to virtual GOX dollars at ~40% loss, presumably because they think that if they keep the virtual coins they may lose more than 40% in the end.

I wonder who is buying those coins. Could be clients who are slightly (only slightly) more optimistic about the chances of future bitcoin withdrawals.  Could be MtGOX itself, trying to reduce the amount it owes to its captive victims. 

Why not just operate as a fractional reserve? Some technical reason?

For a bank, fractional banking means to loan out or invest more money than its customers have deposited in their accounts.  That is a gamble, based on the hope that only a fraction of the customers will ever want to take out their money at the same time.  Sometimes a bank bank loses the gamble (and then clients usually lose some of their money).

A simple exchange like MtGOX should not be doing any fractional banking, since it is not in the business of lending or investing, whwther money or bicoins.  However, its management would have been strongly tempted to invest most of the real bitcoins that clients had deposited to earn interest on them; trusting that only a few clients would want to withdraw them at any time.  If MtGOX did that, perhaps they made a bad investment, or perhaps they sold the bitcoins when the price was 100$, and now that it is 600$ they may not have enough assets to buy all of them back.

This will be an interesting story if we ever find out the truth.

For sure!
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February 15, 2014, 02:06:16 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

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it means that the price will go up.... but gox is irrelevant at this point, that double bottom has to be on stamp IMHO so we can say that the price will go up, my suggestion is 450-480 will be visited then we will be going up from that point.

my best suggestion is to HODL...

For Stamp right?

Amen I missed the cheap coins @530 and am still not sure when the next chance will be to get the cheapest coins.

Don't panic. Wait and watch. Feelings are running pretty low but some say not low enough to signal the real bottom!
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February 15, 2014, 02:07:08 PM
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At first i was thinking that Billy/Willy(whatever) is sellin into his own bids to create a negative bearish sentiment, but actually the bid depth on Gox is really goin down.
It was 6000BTC to 300$ a few hours ago now there are only 1800BTC left. Either Gox goes down and price plunges to 0$( Smiley. Or more likely it will shoot up to 5-600 within minutes.
There is also a huge possibility that they announce that they have been hacked, coins are stolen, and they have to shut down trading exchange for a while(2 weeks  Cheesy Cheesy ).
Anyways it´s gonna be fun.

Update: Actually, there is a black hole between 310$ and 255$ lololololololol

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February 15, 2014, 02:08:22 PM
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Black Sabbath has a song... Gox is dead Grin

Anyway... Hoping to buy some coins now on Stamp, but unsure if it's going down more.
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February 15, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
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Niiiiiiiice double-bottom forming on Gox!  Cheesy

Until now it's no real double bottom. For a double bottom reversal it has to break resistance between the lows.

If price rises above 500 it's a double bottom reversal.

http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns:double_bottom_revers
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