Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Semidetached]

btc pump over for time being...watch out for auction

Just a small correction. We'll resume the rally once the sellers are done taking their profits. Plus the real magic of the halving doesn't happen until months from now when people realize it's harder to get coins

[Mrpumperitis]

btc pump over for time being...watch out for auction

Just a small correction. We'll resume the rally once the sellers are done taking their profits. Plus the real magic of the halving doesn't happen until months from now when people realize it's harder to get coins

spot on m8   also ltr the blocksize, segwit etc will be in place

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Vitalik is not clever at all, he's a naive kid. He's just being exploited by a group of ruthless bankers who get to pump a wunder-kid 'back-story', while painting a $1.5 billion target on Vitalik's head ... and they can disappear when it collapses and Vitalik get's left with the fallout, if he survives that long.

I have to admit I find the cult of personality surrounding the guy sort of odd - he's all elbows. If I were him I'd want to start to distance myself from the whole thing.

Does anyone know the ins-and-outs of the switch to POS? Does the Ethereum Foundation just decide? Really??

[600watt]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

[becoin]

Banking system doesn't need bitcoin any more than it needs cancer. The banks handle fiat, why in the world would they support something that's openly anti-bank & anti-fiat?

For the same reason news papers supported their websites despite that their websites are openly anti-paper!
For the same reason telecoms supported Internet despite that Internet is openly anti-telephone!
Those businesses don't need Internet any more than they need cancer but... they have to adapt or die!

[petahashminer]

2-hour and 4-hour macd is about to go red. is it a signal of incoming correction, if so , i hope a minimal (10-15$) correction.

[toknormal]

2-hour and 4-hour macd is about to go red. is it a signal of incoming correction, if so , i hope a minimal (10-15$) correction.

Yeah. Possible retrace - 4200 perhaps.

[savetherainforest]

It is so silent ...

Silence before the storm?? Nothing is moving... ( .. and ppl complaining about 690-700$ BTCitcoin  )

[toknormal]

Maybe Deutche Bank going tits up on Germany's negative bund yields will spare us the hassle of a 4-hour chart correction.

[BlindedByStick]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

[Elwar]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

Who in their right mind would use PayPal for trackable criminal activity on the Internet?

Criminals are apparently ahead of their time in realizing the best online payment method.

[BlindedByStick]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

Who in their right mind would use PayPal for trackable criminal activity on the Internet?

Criminals are apparently ahead of their time in realizing the best criminal-2-criminal online payment method.

FTFY.
They don't get buyer protection or cash back CCs offer, but hey, free munyz
I'm glad we agree re. bitcoin's primary use.

Scammers have already started trying to exploit Orlando shooting for bitcoins

[Elwar]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

Who in their right mind would use PayPal for trackable criminal activity on the Internet?

Criminals are apparently ahead of their time in realizing the best criminal-2-criminal online payment method.

FTFY.
They don't get buyer protection or cash back CCs offer, but hey, free munyz
I'm glad we agree re. bitcoin's primary use.

Scammers have already started trying to exploit Orlando shooting for bitcoins

In a world of Hillary and Trump, we will all be criminals. That is why everyone is buying bitcoin now.

[DaRude]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

Who in their right mind would use PayPal for trackable criminal activity on the Internet?

Criminals are apparently ahead of their time in realizing the best online payment method.

That makes me wonder how the other 60% of online criminals make online payments? Did drug dealers started to accept credit cards or wires or paypal??? Oh i know maybe the other 60% are using ripple doge etherpoop lsk? Can't keep up did something new came out in the last hour or are we still on List?

[Asrael999]

Well, the entire world economy doesn't need to go Bitcoin. However, if even 1% of the world economy goes Bitcoin, you have an amount equal to a few thousand percent of the current market cap.

You ever consider how much it would cost to secure a "$20 trillion+" POW network? Taking into account that it costs ~25BTC/10 mins to secure it now, when the market cap is a mere 10 billion?

It would still cost 25BTC/10 minutes (or more likely a significantly lower amount as more than two more halvings are likely to have taken place) But the purchasing power of 1BTC would have increased dramatically.

[600watt]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

if you want reliable figures, whom do you trust more: an independant online security company or fucking police press release that desperately needs justification to suck out more budget to hire more staff/drive better cars/gain more influence/get paid better/fly more first class/etc/etc

it is fucking 3% only

Contrary to what most people believe, Bitcoin is not a big part of these financial scams, though. Albeit 3% of survey respondents indicated they had lost Bitcoin funds in the process, the primary culprit were online scams or fraud, followed by data leakage. Additionally, losing funds through a financial organization ranks higher than Bitcoin losses as well.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/30/kaspersky-labs-bitcoin-online-scams/

[BlindedByStick]

Well, the entire world economy doesn't need to go Bitcoin. However, if even 1% of the world economy goes Bitcoin, you have an amount equal to a few thousand percent of the current market cap.

You ever consider how much it would cost to secure a "$20 trillion+" POW network? Taking into account that it costs ~25BTC/10 mins to secure it now, when the market cap is a mere 10 billion?

It would still cost 25BTC/10 minutes (or more likely a significantly lower amount as more than two more halvings are likely to have taken place) But the purchasing power of 1BTC would have increased dramatically.

You're confusing block reward with network security. We can opt to end block reward (change the reward schedule, drop it to zero) right now, and it would still cost 25BTC every ten minutes to secure the network at the current level. At 20 trillion market cap, that would be $500,000,000,000,000 every 10 minutes. That's a $3e.16 every hour, which is a nice chunk of cash

[BlindedByStick]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

if you want reliable figures, whom do you trust more: an independant online security company or fucking police press release that desperately needs justification to suck out more budget to hire more staff/drive better cars/gain more influence/get paid better/fly more first class/etc/etc

it is fucking 3% only

Contrary to what most people believe, Bitcoin is not a big part of these financial scams, though. Albeit 3% of survey respondents indicated they had lost Bitcoin funds in the process, the primary culprit were online scams or fraud, followed by data leakage. Additionally, losing funds through a financial organization ranks higher than Bitcoin losses as well.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/30/kaspersky-labs-bitcoin-online-scams/

Err, I believe the least reliable bitcoin news source, news BTC? When I click on the "source" link at the bottom of that article, I get http://www.antaranews.com/berita/563955/26-persen-konsumen-indonesia-jadi-korban-penipuan-daring.
Which is not to say that 3% is not an astoundingly high number for a currency that handles ~.000001% of internet transactions.
Stay deluded.

[gentlemand]

40% of online criminal payments, eh? Then it's reassuring to know that online criminals are so rare considering how piddly the market cap is.

[BlindedByStick]

I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.

Only 40% really?? wow I thought it would be way more than that, plus the media has spewed alot of bs demonizing BTC on behalf of the government and central banks etc. to add to that. Anyway you have to respect BTC if you have any respect for crypto currency cos it is and always will be the daddy, so pay homage little pheasant to the daddy of all crypto currencies. Also idc if you can buy drugs over the web, using BTC or not, people will always purchase and abuse drugs, at least this way they can do it safely without having to deal with shady ass street dealers and anonymously cos were not all shameless and think it looks good to be seen buying drugs or some shit.

bullshit. it is about 4 or 5%.

Europol: Bitcoin accounts for over 40% of criminal-to-criminal online payments
Stay in denial.

Who in their right mind would use PayPal for trackable criminal activity on the Internet?

Criminals are apparently ahead of their time in realizing the best online payment method.

That makes me wonder how the other 60% of online criminals make online payments? Did drug dealers started to accept credit cards or wires or paypal??? Oh i know maybe the other 60% are using ripple doge etherpoop lsk? Can't keep up did something new came out in the last hour or are we still on List?

Nah, the other criminals are using fiat payment options. Which does not imply that having 6495 murders in your mom's basement every year makes it a safer place than the country of United States, where a whopping 16238 are killed every year.
Analogously, 40% of all c2c payments for a currency as tiny as BTC is fucking mind-boggling. Which is not to say bad.
So come on, Duke, let's go do some crimes. Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay.